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Sanchek
07-01-2008, 02:38 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/business/savage/1030942,CST-FIN-terry30.savagearticle

As we approach the July 4th holiday that inspires our most patriotic thoughts, it's hard to imagine that any American would voluntarily give up his or her citizenship. But perhaps the politicians are starting to understand that the taxpaying public is growing wary of being fleeced, either through increased taxes or the stealth tax of inflation, as a way to repay all the debt that Washington has incurred.

And in preparation for the possibility that Americans might rebel at the debt and taxes incurred by their government, they've just passed a new law that will stop your capital -- or at least a good portion of it -- at the border, should you decide to leave.

You probably didn't notice this little provision inserted into the Heroes Act of 2008, passed by Congress on June 17.

The headlines in the press release about the law were about the increased benefits for veterans and families of deceased military.

But Richard Kohan of Price WaterhouseCoopers drew my attention to one section of the act -- the portion that states anyone voluntarily giving up his or her citizenship will be taxed on ALL of his assets as if he or she had sold them -- paying capital gains on assets that have increased in value, even though they have not been sold!

That's right. While everyone in the media is focused on keeping aliens out of America, Congress has voted to lock its citizens -- or at least a good portion of their assets -- into -- America! Maybe they're thinking that patriotism won't be enough to keep the smart money from recognizing the coming increases in the tax burden.

Gotta keep us plebs locked in the hamster wheel, I guess.

Malse
07-01-2008, 02:48 PM
Great, so the smart way to leave is now illegal, just like the smart way to get in.

fildien
07-01-2008, 02:54 PM
Great, so the smart way to leave is now illegal, just like the smart way to get in.

You took the words and thought right out of my mouth. Frigging unreal.

Nydia Ywalmoriel
07-01-2008, 03:20 PM
Great, so the smart way to leave is now illegal, just like the smart way to get in.

And early, so as not to be dragged down by the 'sunk-cost effect' of leaving one's accumulated assets (especially post-40, when one starts seriously thinking about one's retirement) behind for a better situation. I can't help but think that this will in the net and long-term sense create more of a 'brain drain' than it is designed to prevent.

Regards,
Nydia

Smidget
07-01-2008, 11:57 PM
You currently cannot leave the US without a passport, and technically, DHS is supposed to say "yes" before you're allowed to get onboard an airplane, boat or leave via car, bus or foot. The deadline for passports (http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_1738.html) (or the passport card (http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppt_card/ppt_card_3926.html)) for ground border crossing keeps getting pushed back (http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppt_card/ppt_card_3921.html). It is my belief that the border fence with Mexico will be the American version of the Berlin Wall. The DDR pitched the wall to their own citizens as an anti-terrorist/fascist/saboteur protection measure, just like the Tortilla Curtain is being pitched as a wall to keep pesky brown terrorists out. When in practice it will end up being used to keep Americans inside.

If you do not currently have a passport, I strongly recommend that you apply for one, and to also apply for the passport card as well as the passport book. You may need one or the other to escape, as laws such as the one mentioned in the OP show that our country is heading in a very wrong direction.

I know someone with a drug possession conviction back in the 1970s, and he can no longer get a passport (the renewal about 2 years ago was turned down due to new rules and regulations that he is not permitted to see). As a result, he cannot leave the US.

Nydia Ywalmoriel
07-02-2008, 12:00 AM
I made a point of getting mine autumn before last, when I heard that the RFID chips were going in - I'm happy to say that mine doesn't have one, but Faervas, who doesn't have his yet, won't be so lucky :/

Regards,
Nydia

Malse
07-02-2008, 12:06 AM
I don't really see it as an impediment to people already looking to leave for questionable reason, but as an intended barrier to exit for people rich, and or smartly motivated enough to find a livable life elsewhere. It's exceptionally easy to cross into Canada without being detected as long as you don't mind a little trespassing across near-totally unmonitored private land.

I do like "Tortilla Curtain" though, as that's both about the effective strength of the wall and sounds damn tasty.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
07-02-2008, 12:06 AM
the border fence with Mexico.......Tortilla Curtain





Roflmao!!!!