http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2005/01/08/gun08.htm

There should be a law where like if you make such a dumbass lawsuit you get your legs chopped up and fed to talid's obese mom.

My mother is a saint and you are a filthy lying scumbag buyza!

Mr Sussman is a classic example of why so many have so much disgust for lawyers.

The kids on the bus are irrelevant, unless their parents hire him to pursue some form of litigation for which he will be paid handsomely.

This is the kind of guy I could appreciate having the Abu Ghraib tactics applied to, for a week or two.

Stupid parents make stupid kids.

Why haven't the parents of the kids in the bus done anything? If it was my kid that got the glass in his eyes, I would definetly want to kick that parent's ass for pulling this.

The school bus counts as school grounds, at least around here. So this is the same as launching it into the school from next door.

The school bus counts as school grounds,
That's the exact argument the SD should and better pursue other than that the law suite is utter BS and yes someone needs to kick that lawyer in the jimmies.

how about a law that after the 4th lawsuite againts the same entity if you lose YOU (the plaintiff's lawyer) spend 5 years in general poulation of the local prison.

Jerkoff lawsuit number 2 01-09-2005 09:03 PM why don't you two just do it and get it over with.

hahahahahaha

Hopefully I am not setting myself up for flaming but I agree with the lawsuit. I am sick and tired of schools attempting to raise my child and extending their powers beyond the classroom. I think the kid that did this should be dealt with by the cops. Not the school. Put his ass in jail. Shoot him in the head with a frozen egg I don't give a damn but the school has no authority except to maybe sue for the damgae to their bus.

I may be a little sensitive to this at the moment since I just went around and around with my 6 year olds school when he came home and told me the teacher told him he was no longer allowed to say Merry Christmas inside or outside the classroom.

Rigin

Rigin1,

So you would have that same kid back in school? Sitting next to the same kid he could have killed?

Change the scenario just a bit; the egg hits the kid in the head killing the student. Now you want the school to allow the student back into the classroom as soon as the killer gets out on bail?

You’re insane. Pushing morals on people is completely different than protecting students from stupid parents/students.

I think the parent should be held accountable for the child’s actions (assuming this genius is still a minor). The kid should be brought on attempted assault (or what ever FELONY applies) and the parent should be charged with child endangerment or something along those lines. High School wrestling should be the last thing on this kids mind, he should be talking to his lawyer about keeping his ass out of jail.

Stupid parents make stupid kids.
Truer words have never been spoken. Until we as a society take action against these idiots they will continue to be more and more like them.

Beelziod

I agree but we need to pressure law enforcement to the right thing. The kid should not be allowed back, restraining orders, jail time whatever. But allowing schools to extend their authority beyond teaching our children and collecting late book fees is assinine. I have some friends I attended college with that are now teachers that I wouldn't allow to raise my fucking dog not to mention my child.

I also agree the parents are to blame also, kill them for all I care but we have a judicial process for a reason the school is to teach not to enforce laws for things that happen off school property. by the way the kid was only suspended for 5 months. So he is coming back where if you get law enforcement involved he may be in jail or not allowed within 500 feet of the school.

Rigin

The child needs to be punished. Give him a slap on the wrist, and nothing is accomplished. He should be suspended for the given time period and removed from the wrestling team.

If I shoot a frozen egg through the window of a postal truck is the post office gonna tell me I can't send mail for 5 months or are the police gonna come get me?

Rigin

Will you sue the post office if they decide not to carry your mail to your address?

A school should have the right to suspend or expel a child who 1) Represents a danger to the other children in the school. 2) Causes physical damage to the school grounds or school equipment.

A school should have the right to suspend or expel a child who 1) Represents a danger to the other children in the school. 2) Causes physical damage to the school grounds or school equipment.
The school, as an entity, is not responsible for determining "who represents a danger". They are not a part of our law enforcement system. Law enforcement determines who is a threat to society, not schools. If a student breaks the law by violating the school's code of conduct then hell yeah, let the schools enforce their own punishement. But by letting the school make that judgement you are opening a huge can of regulation control worms. The simplest example I can think is if a student were to be caught shopliffting. does the school now have a right to suspend him? How about vandalism, or speeding, or trespassing, etc.

Law enforcement can charge this kid with any number of crimes, the school can sue for property damage. Period.

Will you sue the post office if they decide not to carry your mail to your address?
Sure...show me where the law states that if I damage a postal truck or a postal worker for that matter they have a right to stop delivering to me. Now I may get sued by the individual mail carrier but the post office as a whole has no right to deny me service. The U.S. postal service has a history of putting its workers in harms way. They deliver in harsh weather elements which are far more dangerous then me shooting frozen eggs around. Plus if they denied me service they better deny service to every dog owner in the country right??

Rigin

For all intents and purposes the school bus is considered school grounds and all the same rules are enforced there. So the following should hold true.

If 2 children get into a fight at school the school can do something.
If 2 children get into a fight on the bus the school can do something.
If 1 child attacks another child who is on the bus the shcool SHOULD be able to do something.

If this is not the case then the school would not longer be responsible for the safety fo children on the bus.

It is school property when you are ON the bus and they have authority and are responsible for kids ON the bus. Not when you are standing on YOUR property shooting frozen eggs at it. What would they have done if this kid had not attended their school?

Rigin

Trell,

I agree. And this is how it works in NC b/c when I was a Senior in high school I got in a nasty fight with a dumbass while on a field trip to the NC state capital. We were some 7hrs away from school grounds but we both got suspended and reprimanded. Of course this was 10+ years ago when things were different.

and yeah I beat the shit out of 'em but we're best friends now... lol...

Parents today think that public schools are where their kids go while they are at work. They send their problems off every day and then when they !@$# up they expect nothing should happen to their problem kids. This kid needs to be charged criminally period. I think teachers should be able to use paddles again, like the ones with holes in them OUCH!!

Being on a school fieldtrip = being at school. Their rules would apply. This is different.

It is school property when you are ON the bus and they have authority and are responsible for kids ON the bus. Not when you are standing on YOUR property shooting frozen eggs at it. What would they have done if this kid had not attended their school? So if I live near my school and launch frozen eggs or catapult cows onto school property from my front yard -- damaging buildings, injuring students and whatnot -- the school has no right to suspend me?

The point is the kid endangered people who were "On School Grounds" (on the bus), and because he is a student they can and should be able to suspend/expell him from attending the school.

I would even go so far as to say that the school should NOT be allowed to give the kid any in school punishment (i.e. detention), but is deffinitely within its rights to keep him out of the school.

So if I live near my school and launch frozen eggs or catapult cows onto school property from my front yard -- damaging buildings, injuring students and whatnot -- the school has no right to suspend me?
There are laws that would take care of "launching cows onto school property". Namely attempted murder if students were present. What if it was not the school you attend but in the same school district? How far does the long arm of the school extend? I guess it really just depends on where you are comfortable drawing the line. I think the line should be drawn exactly where it is, you break the law outside of school, you are punished by existing laws outside of school. You break the law in school and you are fair game to both.

But let's say, as in the current case, that the launcher of cows or eggs is given probation and community service. The laws will not "take care of" the perpetrator of my scenario insofar as jailing him. Should he be allowed to attend classes at the school he fired upon? Any school? (You bring up another scenario, Grift3r, and someone can answer that as well).

I think the broader question is: should violent crime outside of school be means for school expulsion or other consequence? I don't know the answer to that question, but I would be very leary of giving schools "legal jursidiction" beyond their "walls".

When that crime is directed at the school itself, most definetly.

So he gets punished twice?? Once by our legal system and then once by the school that he wasn't at when he committed a crime? What if I go back to my parents house and stand on their yard and shoot frozen baby cow fetuses at the school bus when it goes by. They going to take away my high school diploma?? Are they allowed to?

Rigin

Too bad what you do after you get your diploma isn't related. And of course he gets punished twice. Just like how if you stab someone while at school, you're going to both get kicked out and arrested.

Did you have a point?

Many school districts consider both the bus, bus stops, field trips, etc. to be part of school property. Of course, if the idiot was in his front lawn, that's a complicated issue. You could still say the school views him as a threat, and wants to punish him for damaging school property, and I could see them winning with that approach.

All the parents do by suing is show the kid that nothing is his fault, and mommy and daddy will come to his rescue. Poor dear, abused by the system, and those unfair authority figures out to get him. I see this crap every day at work, though fortunately none of my darlings have done anything as stupid as this - a clearly planned out bit of stupidity. In my district they'd probably call that a weapon and have the kid expelled. Of course, in Phoenix that just means he has to drive an extra five minutes to a different school district, but it's a start.
Either way, there's a much better solution. Fine kid, think it's unfair that you're suspended and missing wrestling? The school should revoke his suspension. BUT, since he's not behaving according to school and community standards, they should kick him off the wrestling team (Many schools have a clause like this for school activities). And, if they haven't already, charge him with assault and vandalism, and whatever else local laws allow. The family of the girl was injured should sue, along with any other parents who had kids on the school bus. Oh, and keep the issue nice and public. Then see how many colleges want to offer him a scholarship.

Many school districts consider both the bus, bus stops, field trips, etc. to be part of school property. Of course, if the idiot was in his front lawn, that's a complicated issue. You could still say the school views him as a threat, and wants to punish him for damaging school property, and I could see them winning with that approach.

All the parents do by suing is show the kid that nothing is his fault, and mommy and daddy will come to his rescue. Poor dear, abused by the system, and those unfair authority figures out to get him. I see this crap every day at work, though fortunately none of my darlings have done anything as stupid as this - a clearly planned out bit of stupidity. In my district they'd probably call that a weapon and have the kid expelled. Of course, in Phoenix that just means he has to drive an extra five minutes to a different school district, but it's a start.
Either way, there's a much better solution. Fine kid, think it's unfair that you're suspended and missing wrestling? The school should revoke his suspension. BUT, since he's not behaving according to school and community standards, they should kick him off the wrestling team (Many schools have a clause like this for school activities). And, if they haven't already, charge him with assault and vandalism, and whatever else local laws allow. The family of the girl was injured should sue, along with any other parents who had kids on the school bus. Oh, and keep the issue nice and public. Then see how many colleges want to offer him a scholarship.

Yahtzee, game over. New thread.

How's the weather in Phoenix, Kanyli? Headout there for a few days this weekend.

Rainy right now, which is keeping it nice and cool. Not sure what's supposed to happen through the weekend. We were supposed to have the, "Storm of the Generation," according to the news...but no luck there. But a couple of tornado watches make things interesting.

By the way, I can't access the original article anymore - did anyone get the location or names of people involved?

Odd, I didn't have any trouble pulling up the article. Try cutting and pasting. If not, Steve Valastro is the parent who filed suit against Valley Central school district

Heh, we've brought into play a few hypotheticals in this thread, but here's a real event (http://www.wral.com/news/4073700/detail.html) to ponder. Does being over school property count as being on school property? http://69.50.212.152/images/smilies/confused.gif

wow and this is literally just up the road from me....I vaguely recall the incident it was a big stink here.

Heh, we've brought into play a few hypotheticals in this thread, but here's a real event (http://www.wral.com/news/4073700/detail.html) to ponder. Does being over school property count as being on school property? http://69.50.212.152/images/smilies/confused.gif

Man. I could figure out alot more fun stuff than dropping a bucket of eggs on a school if I was FLYING A PLANE. lol