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9PM PST, on my server anyway (East Coast server, midnight release)

Only problem is, I pre-ordered from a Best Buy that isn't having a midnight opening for it. Wank. I may actually go pick it up at GameStop since they are having a midnight release (http://www.gamestop.com/gs/content/WoWMidnight.pdf), then sell my copy from BB to one of my friends who was going to get it later.

I am upgraded and waiting for 9pm pst!

Well, I didn't get in till about 1:30AM. First thing I did was create my DK. I have to say, they seem pretty cool.

I haven't played a warrior since the beta or the original game, but from what I remember, DKs are very similar. I don't have a high level tank yet, so it will be nice to have a tank class. You start at level 55, with full gear. You do a few run around quests to help you get a feel for the class. I am not really sure how talent points work with them, however... I didn't have any to spend and the trees are structured the same as the other classes (51 point talent in 3 different trees). Maybe after you level once you get 46 talent points to spend. Or maybe its a quest. I'll figure that out later.

I actually really enjoyed the "newbie" experience again. I don't know if there's updated versions of quest helper / lightheaded out there, but I didn't have anything to assist. I actually had to read my quests to figure out what to do! ; p Another thing that was cool was every time something new dropped, it was linked in guild chat.

Something that brought back some nostalgia from the EQ days was the "server first" announcements. These are associated with achievements, and the best of them (first to max skill in a talent, first of each class to 80, first of each race to 80) come with titles! I really want the title for first to max skill in first aid: Doctor <character name>.

I only played till about 4:30, since I had to work today. In that time I managed to do one of the entry level dungeons (Utgarde Keep... was fun wiping on a non-heroic dungeon, mainly due to not knowing things) and a handful of the entry level quests.

One thing, though: as to loot, it is not like when BC came out and "Green is the new Purple". Green loot is far inferior to the Kara / ZA / PVP gear I have, though it is considerably better than greens from BC (in the entry level quests you can get a green daggar that has 161 spell power). I don't think I'll be replacing any of my epics until at least the mid 70s dungeons, and that will probably be with blues.

On the other hand, a blue fist weapon dropped in the dungeon last night that was better (dps wise) than either of the ZA weapons I have on my Enh Shaman.. so, I could be wrong.

Something that brought back some nostalgia from the EQ days was the "server first" announcements. These are associated with achievements, and the best of them (first to max skill in a talent, first of each class to 80, first of each race to 80) come with titles! I really want the title for first to max skill in first aid: Doctor <character name>.

The titles were removed. But the server announcement is still cool)

Got up this morning on day off and ran over to Walmart a little after 7. They had already sold out their 75 copies. Went over to Target and waited for opening at 8, along with about a dozen others.

All I can say is it is a great expansion so far. I created two DK's on the two servers I had 60+ toons on, and took them both to lvl 56 doing the intro quests and a little grinding oin the side. Some nice blues for quest rewards at the beginning.

Then I jumped over to my 70 Hunter to go exploring, and have already done some tailoring with the new leather. I have to say the experience reminds me of the hell levels in EQ, hehehe. Spent about six hours on Hunter, mostly with rested exp, and still barely made it a third of the way into next level, including at least 6 or 7 quests. Quests give good exp, and rewards.

I am loving it so far, but eyes are tired and I work tomorrow. Have to say being involved in warfare is a gas!


(And for any that have not installed yet, go to Undercity Zeppelin, new tower to the side of other one, that takes you to Northrend)

I made the mistake of waiting till that afternoon of release day... wwnt to Walmart.. sold out ..went to GameStop .. sold out.. lmao dman I didnt know that many people in this area played WoW .. Now the sucky part is that I have to wait till like Tuesday to get a copy, that or take a trip way to the other side of town / go on post to get one

Queue on Alleria during prime time last night was ~ 1300, and about an hour and 20 mins to get in. I came home from a 12 hour day, got in queue before I went to go work out and it was still at 20 mins when I got back ;). I saw a little bit of the Horde starting area off of UC and I must say it was nice to be working for Forsaken apothecaries again ;).

I was too tired to do more than do the intro quests last night, but will be doing a lot more exploring when I get home, it looks beautiful but seems very... least common denominator though :/.

Regards,
Nydia

Yeah... so exp is slow (unless you want to do nothing but grind mobs). The first person hit 80 on a French server last night. All they were doing is AE grinding the entire time, though.

Quest exp pays well. I've been getting 20 - 25k for most quests. Got 40k for a dungeon quest. I've played my main for probably about 6 hours in LK and am only about 12 bubs in lol. A couple of my friends that played all day yesterday are 72 - 73, though, so its not that bad.

Folks are snapping up the new stuff. As a Leatherworker/Skinner, I was skinning every thing that I could, and had at least 10 stacks of scraps along with good leather. I put the scraps on the AH at 15G per stack, and they all went, for a nice 150G profit.

Thing is, the leather work trainer had no recipe for converting scraps to regular leather like with the previous leathers. They will most likely have to add that in at some point, but I had no room to store while waiting, heh.

Plan on getting on later after some supper and news, and exploring further. The DK I can go back to later. I was not that excited about it as much as I am seeing my exp bar move again on my Hunter.


edit: After being more awake and actually looking at the scraps I saw that they could be combined 5 at a time to make Borean Leather. Still made a bundle before the prices dropped though, heh. Played the DK some more and am up to the final act, of battling the Ballistas and the swarms of Scarlet Crusaders. This is fun. And have done a lot more exploring of both entry points in Northrend; the fighting is a lot more fast paced if you go in from Orgrimmar, it seems, plus it is the only place I have seen Arctic Fur (Blue) drop. I got two in five minutes and have never seen it again at either side of the place.

Finally had the time to finish the quest sequence to allow me to leave the Deathknight starting area. I have to say the quest sequence is some of the coolest stuff I have done in this game, taking on the tasks of killing 100 enemy by cannon-fire, and then mounting a Wyrm to take out 10 Ballistas and 150 enemy soldiers. ("And I thought mounting my ex was dangerous", said in my best Groucho impression)

I immediately jumped on the Zepp to head for Outland (at lvl 58 I need to do some grinding), and was surprised to find I had all the flight paths already, when I arrived at the Grom Gol camp. Guess that is just one more of the bonus gifts of this class.

I still feel somewhat limited on the DK, but will see if i can get a better feel for it now that I am out in the real world, rather than just the starting zone of the class. I think Blizzard did good, all in all, with this addition.

One thing I wondered is with the ease of leveling a DK, is everyone and their cousin playing the new class? Seems when they came up with the idea, it should have been in since release. Now its just the coolest and newest thing that everyone wants to try, pushing all the other underplayed classes down even further.

Not seeing that many DKs around, proportionately. 3 in my guild want to mainswitch, which isnt bad considering we have at least 5+ of every class. Only one of my personal friends rerolled.

I, like all but one on my friendslist, are leveling our mains. Only 75 so far though.

Agreed... there are a lot of DKs, sure, but theres a lot of Mages, a lot of Shamans... etc. I think the reason it seems like "everybody and their brother's dog" is playing a DK is that the 55-70 zones are predominated by Dks, but thats because 1) they all started at the same level and thus are all hitting the same leveling zones at the same time and 2) everyone else is in Northrend with their mains.

I really liked my DK, and I've actually switch my plan on which of my characters I'm going to play. Originally it was to be my Mage, then my Shaman, then my DK. I've found that after playing the new Enh shaman, I find playing a mage to be boring. I'll let him stew a bit... maybe play him when he reaches max rest. The group I roll with seems to need a healer most, so I'm playing my enh shaman, but collecting all healing gear. Around 75 I'll switch to healing. After my shammy I'll play my DK.

I took a Rogue to 60, and was really bored with it and switched to a Hunter. I will continue with the Hunter but I have to say the DK is a fun diversion.

Finally got the fuck out of Borean Tundra. I'm in Dragonsblight now or whatever. Much better.

P.S. If you're having trouble getting into Dalaran... Go to Storm's Peak. When you die there, you will have a flying mount while dead to get back to corpse. Use the mount and fly to the furthest SW corner of map. Look for Dalaran. When you zone out of SP you will drop the flying mount. If you are above Dalaran, however, you will land on top of it. RELOG, to 'reset' where you died, then go to spirit healer. BAM, instant access to Dalaran. : )

Finally got the fuck out of Borean Tundra. I'm in Dragonsblight now or whatever. Much better.

P.S. If you're having trouble getting into Dalaran... Go to Storm's Peak. When you die there, you will have a flying mount while dead to get back to corpse. Use the mount and fly to the furthest SW corner of map. Look for Dalaran. When you zone out of SP you will drop the flying mount. If you are above Dalaran, however, you will land on top of it. RELOG, to 'reset' where you died, then go to spirit healer. BAM, instant access to Dalaran. : )


HAX!

Lol... I'll have to try that.

Finally got the fuck out of Borean Tundra. I'm in Dragonsblight now or whatever. Much better.

P.S. If you're having trouble getting into Dalaran... Go to Storm's Peak. When you die there, you will have a flying mount while dead to get back to corpse. Use the mount and fly to the furthest SW corner of map. Look for Dalaran. When you zone out of SP you will drop the flying mount. If you are above Dalaran, however, you will land on top of it. RELOG, to 'reset' where you died, then go to spirit healer. BAM, instant access to Dalaran. : )

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So Dalaran is open now? How about the Caverns of Time, did they add anything else to that?

I'm on Fenris and there is an overload of DK's they are everywhere.

So Dalaran is open now? How about the Caverns of Time, did they add anything else to that?

A revisit to Stratholme (http://www.wowhead.com/?zone=4100) ; )

Finally got the fuck out of Borean Tundra. I'm in Dragonsblight now or whatever. Much better.

P.S. If you're having trouble getting into Dalaran... Go to Storm's Peak. When you die there, you will have a flying mount while dead to get back to corpse. Use the mount and fly to the furthest SW corner of map. Look for Dalaran. When you zone out of SP you will drop the flying mount. If you are above Dalaran, however, you will land on top of it. RELOG, to 'reset' where you died, then go to spirit healer. BAM, instant access to Dalaran. : )

Or just have someone queue you for a bg in Dalaran. :P

I've, for the first time in my gaming career, have decided that a class needs some serious nerfing!

NERF DEATH KNIGHTS...way way way overpowered completely unbalances the game.

NERF DEATH KNIGHTS...way way way overpowered completely unbalances the game.


LOL!!!

I just made a gnome DK on Lightbringer, name of Byteknight. Want to see how much fun I can have with an ankle biter. Still doing the quest sequence to get out of the starting area though.

I hope they come out with some new content soon. Finished Malygos last night we are now on full farm until the next 25 man.

I'm thinking about moving my alliance chars to another server, because the one I am on kind of sucks, any suggestions for ones that have guilds that does mild to mod. raids

My biggest advice, move off of WoW alltogether!!

Wow is still better than anything out there. Lots of people play easy to get group, lots of guilds doing full content. And it a Blizzard game, the game quality is beyond any game I have played.

Second they listen to their base not just the elite or the whiny 15yr olds.

That's why I enjoy Warhammer Beelz. Good customer response to serious issues.

WoW is junk tho, pure and simple when it comes to lasting content and of course PvP.

Sure are alot of people playing WoW though, you can't fault them for their player base #'s.

I just wonder if they had any statistics of people who played WoW at release that still played. It has to be a dramatically small fraction. They have the commercials cranking to keep renewing the base because its so easy to get burnt out / run out of stuff to do.

I was in beta, played through the game and got bored 5 months before the expansion. Played Burning Crusade again and got bored in less than a year. I'll probably go back for Lich King, but I bet I'll get bored in another few months.

I have played wow since a couple of months after release, I quit and come back regularly.

I have played wow since a couple of months after release, I quit and come back regularly.

Well that's just the point, you quit. It never has enough content to sustain a player base in between patches UNLESS you quit and come back months later.

Very true, It is the best game out there by far, only it lacks a speedy enough stream of new content.

Well that's just the point, you quit. It never has enough content to sustain a player base in between patches UNLESS you quit and come back months later.


Yep and this is the view point of pretty much everyone I know who plays. I do not personally know in my ring of gamer friends anyone who has stuck with it constantly.

Well, I'm a WoW Noob, and am enjoying the hell out of the game....

It's a gorgeous game to be sure. But it lacks depth or difficulty and has never shown that it'll develop such. It's a MMO with a great community but at the same time I consider it to be a training ground rather than the end all be all.

Hopefully the next big game will encompass all that WoW has and bring depth , akin to original EQ, and solid realm vs realm action.

WoW is an excellent casual game and a great PvP environment. The best part of PvP in WoW is that you can't communicate with the other side so you don't have to listen to some overgeared moron whining when you kill them, unlike on a blue server in EQ when you'd wasted a Bard in the arena they could never figure out that it was because they jumped into a fight in a limited space that made them most vulnerable and 99 out of 100 times ended in their death.

It's an awful PvP game compared to some others that are out there. It's definately better than EQ's pvp so can't argue that point.

You can't churn out a smidgen of content, that's beaten in 4 days mind you, and call it a good game. Blizzard needs to step it up or add more to their yearly expansion.

It's an awful PvP game compared to some others that are out there. It's definately better than EQ's pvp so can't argue that point.

You can't churn out a smidgen of content, that's beaten in 4 days mind you, and call it a good game. Blizzard needs to step it up or add more to their yearly expansion.


I'm sure there is much better in PvP out there, I wish I had the time to explore. But for how casual I play now it's best, I'm only at 71 and have been playing for 4 months but I did bring FoH to the Fenris server to spread our happiness to the Horde.

heh

So you Horde or Alliance?

I was a Big ole Cow hoof stomping Hunter for the Horde when I played. Was far too many alliance ;(

Alliance...71 Night Elf Hunter and 60 something Gnome Death Knight

80 Blood Elf Mage on Destromath here, been raiding naxx 10 man and some of the other 10 man raid content. I am perfectly happy at this point with the lack of content... Lets me focus on real life and not get sucked in completely.

Well, I'm a WoW Noob, and am enjoying the hell out of the game....

Well yeah, but you haven't played since release. my comment was directed in that vain. I do not know a single person who has stuck with the game constantly since 2004. But, I do actually know a few people who are still playing EQ and EQ2. Most everyone I know plays WoW for a few months and then tires of it and moves on to something else. I personally wish I could find something that could keep me longer than a few months myself. I tend to have about a 6month to 1yr need for MMO change...which unlike EQ I did not I was able to play that for at least a few years before I moved on. However, I am also not a very casual player either. I play at least every day for a few hours so I had multiple level 70 characters in WoW and hated the PvP. I'd still play EQ2 if it didn't feel like I needed to raid every day like EQ1 became to me. I don't mind devoting a few hours a night to a game but I can't constantly raid anymore I'm tired of it.

Anyway, I'm sure some day I'll go back to WoW again. I just have no interest right now b/c I like killing ginger kids!

I am thinking of making a semi-switch to WoW as my back-up game. I want a game I can just log in.. quest/adventure maybe raid a bit.. I am way casual and play maybe 4 - 5 hours a week. Most of that is raiding in EQ2. I am a total wow noob though.. I know this will be met with snickering but are they going to offer any form of player housing ever? Oh, I also do not really pvp. I tried WAR, but found my self wanting to put my hand through the screen every time somebody killed me.

I am thinking of making a semi-switch to WoW as my back-up game. I want a game I can just log in.. quest/adventure maybe raid a bit.. I am way casual and play maybe 4 - 5 hours a week. Most of that is raiding in EQ2. I am a total wow noob though.. I know this will be met with snickering but are they going to offer any form of player housing ever? Oh, I also do not really pvp. I tried WAR, but found my self wanting to put my hand through the screen every time somebody killed me.


LOL What a pansy Liberal!

Um ok.. I see the Meth has been good to you lately.

I love the pvp, and yes I get pissed when a damn WE works her god magic on me and smokes me in under 1 sec.../grumble

80 Blood Elf Mage on Destromath here, been raiding naxx 10 man and some of the other 10 man raid content. I am perfectly happy at this point with the lack of content... Lets me focus on real life and not get sucked in completely.


I have a 80 Resto Shaman on Magtheridon. I have about the same feeling as you on the content. There's more than enough for me, a somewhat casual player. By the time I get to full epics, the next dungeon will be out and I'll have that to work on, plus I want to level my DK and my mage.

I would highly recommend doing Vault 25 and OS 25 each week. They are extremely easy for 25 man raid content (can pug them pretty easily) and you can get some T7.5 loot. I got my gloves last night from a 25 man OS Pug =D

Out of idle curiosity, how many people here actually want a single game to be their only significant entertainment for an extended period of time? Like most of you I put in waaaay too much time in the EQ days, and it was fun, but I'd never want to do it again.

Current online games seem to have about the same overall lifespan amongst of the majority of their playerbase as single player ones -- a few months of playing it a lot followed by long periods between doing so again.

Out of idle curiosity, how many people here actually want a single game to be their only significant entertainment for an extended period of time? Like most of you I put in waaaay too much time in the EQ days, and it was fun, but I'd never want to do it again.

Current online games seem to have about the same overall lifespan amongst of the majority of their playerbase as single player ones -- a few months of playing it a lot followed by long periods between doing so again.

I agree with this statement. I have a ton of time invested in my trak flagged eq2 cleric, but other then the 2 raids I try to attend each weekend I don't play. That's why I am thinking of picking up WoW with my X-mas money. Something I just log into, easy to quest, easy to level and what appears to be far advanced raid scripts compared to eq2's tank and spanks.

I do not know a single person who has stuck with the game constantly since 2004. But, I do actually know a few people who are still playing EQ and EQ2.

My experiences are the opposite. The 'people who I know' argument doesn't really work on a game with 10+ million subs.

You can't churn out a smidgen of content, that's beaten in 4 days mind you, and call it a good game. Blizzard needs to step it up or add more to their yearly expansion.

All the content was not beaten in 4 days. Naxx was, by people who are literally professional raiders. How fast those kinds of players get through content is irrelevant, since Blizzard has thankfully realized that catering to them too much makes no sense. They're likely to expand on the normal mode/hard mode they've been using on various bosses which was a fantastic idea. Meanwhile I'm enjoying raiding more then I have in years, wintergrasp is pretty fun on my server, and arena looks to be pretty good once people get some pvp gear.

Out of idle curiosity, how many people here actually want a single game to be their only significant entertainment for an extended period of time? Like most of you I put in waaaay too much time in the EQ days, and it was fun, but I'd never want to do it again.

Current online games seem to have about the same overall lifespan amongst of the majority of their playerbase as single player ones -- a few months of playing it a lot followed by long periods between doing so again.

Prism is celebrating its 10th birthday soon, most of the founding members alive and kicking in Everquest 2 and have been since release. Everquest may not be as polished as WoW, but it designs its content to last you a full year. We are not talking a "grind", there's over 30 new instances alone in their most recent expansion not counting raids or all the new quests.

Warhammer is a newer game so you can't judge it on its replayability, but it seems like it can keep you entertained indefinately much like Counter-Strike or other primarily PVP games.

There are already people maxxed out in WoW outside of raiding, and raiding is generally pretty repetitive because they only have 3-4 instances and then release a new one every 6 months. Everquest and Warhammer are on target for yearly expansions, WoW is every 2.

I play a good deal of non MMO games (still play tons of WC3 and Team Fortress) but MMOs are my favorite and playing with my girlfriend and people in Prism (both in Warhammer and EQ2) is the best part. Happily take any suggestions on single player games though, haven't played anything like that since Spore.

My experiences are the opposite. The 'people who I know' argument doesn't really work on a game with 10+ million subs.

All the content was not beaten in 4 days. Naxx was, by people who are literally professional raiders. How fast those kinds of players get through content is irrelevant, since Blizzard has thankfully realized that catering to them too much makes no sense. They're likely to expand on the normal mode/hard mode they've been using on various bosses which was a fantastic idea. Meanwhile I'm enjoying raiding more then I have in years, wintergrasp is pretty fun on my server, and arena looks to be pretty good once people get some pvp gear.

People were finished all of the non-raid content in the first 48 hours of the expansion's release, a few of my RL friends re-subscribed, beat it all, and canceled their accounts in under 2 weeks. Compared to people just starting to finish the Signature quests in Everquest2 months later, and most servers still haven't completed the big goal in Warhammer.

Out of idle curiosity, how many people here actually want a single game to be their only significant entertainment for an extended period of time? Like most of you I put in waaaay too much time in the EQ days, and it was fun, but I'd never want to do it again.

Current online games seem to have about the same overall lifespan amongst of the majority of their playerbase as single player ones -- a few months of playing it a lot followed by long periods between doing so again.


I'm fine with it for now, I play a few hours a week here and there on WoW. For now I need a game that I can log in, do some quests, kill mobs or PvP and I'm happy. I also still dabble in Battlefield2 and some strategy games. But no way do I have the time to play an EQ grind or raiding guild.

I'm fine with it for now, I play a few hours a week here and there on WoW. For now I need a game that I can log in, do some quests, kill mobs or PvP and I'm happy. I also still dabble in Battlefield2 and some strategy games. But no way do I have the time to play an EQ grind or raiding guild.


x3.5 brajillion

I'm pretty sure no one our age has time for a raiding guild, it was something we all did in college. In WoW, Warhammer, and EQ2 you have to raid to max out your character - but Warhammer there are pickup keep/city raids all the time, and in Everquest I was able to beat 95% of the last expansion (Kunark, just haven't killed Trakanon yet) with a pickup alliance that exists outside of my guild - raiding once or twice a week if I was home and online.

Rover, what strategy games?

In WoW, Warhammer, and EQ2 you have to raid to max out your character - but Warhammer there are pickup keep/city raids all the time, and in Everquest I was able to beat 95% of the last expansion (Kunark, just haven't killed Trakanon yet) with a pickup alliance that exists outside of my guild - raiding once or twice a week if I was home and online.

And the same is done in WoW, there's no 'but.'

I'm fine with it for now, I play a few hours a week here and there on WoW. For now I need a game that I can log in, do some quests, kill mobs or PvP and I'm happy. I also still dabble in Battlefield2 and some strategy games. But no way do I have the time to play an EQ grind or raiding guild.

This. Being able to play an mmo along with other games without a crazy amount of time involved is great. Thats obviously what blizzard aimed for and it turned out quite good so far.

And I'd bet my account that 10 mil number includes my inactive sub! :D

After playing a ton more, I take back what I said before about arena. WoW pvp is essentially broken.

And I'd bet my account that 10 mil number includes my inactive sub! :D


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