All right who watched it and what did you think?

Was the woman who Jack operated on his fiance, and we just saw how they met? I didn't know if she looked familiar, but I remember how he met his fiance, and that he had to operate on her. If that is her how long ago did it happen? Anyone remember? Because that guy in the capsule couldn't have been down there for the 16 years that Rousell was on the island.

That was his fiance for sure but I forget what happend with that..hell I think he even was married to her.

Yeah, that was the same Sarah he eventually married.

Anyone notice the numbers on the medicine in the bunker were the numbers? And, the time of death on the guy that died while Jack was saving Sarah was 8:15 (flight number).

The thing I didn't quite understand was the magnetism near the corroded buckets. Was that some kind of generator on the other side of the wall, creating the magnetic field?

http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=556452&forumStart=0

A buddy hooked me up with this link. This is a huge compilation which really makes you think that the writers on this show REALLY did some research/thinking and set this up well. I hope they had the foresite to do this with the second season which I think they are. All the little tie ins and such.

The thing I didn't quite understand was the magnetism near the corroded buckets. Was that some kind of generator on the other side of the wall, creating the magnetic field?

I thought it looked like a block/brick of ore. There were a bunch of buckets which looked like they were filled with dirt leading me to think that he (assumption) was diggin trying to find the sourse of the magnatism. The magnetic field appeared to expand out into the corridor, and not just past the boarded area in that corridor.

Of course I've learned with this show they don't tell you much you just assume until they give you a couple more tips/hints. Kinda drives me crazy. I'll be right there with Hurley next time he is in the assylum. Is it Wednesday yet?

I haven't looked at it since the end of season one, but this board has a lot of good thoughts on it too: http://4815162342.com/

All of the details are definitely planned out though. J.J. Abrams said in some interview that they started with a plan of how things would happen for four seasons. Alias is the same way, even though it seems really random at times (also a J.J. Abrams show).

I thought it odd that "Quarantine" was writ on the inside of the hatch. Looking forward to more background on this Desmond fellow.

Walt's phrase was evidently pronounced backwards. Run forwards, he says, "Push the button. No button is bad."

The patient that died was Aaron Rutherford. Rutherford is Shannon's surname.

The magnet...protection from the "black cloud?"

Jack's fiance is the second parapalegic to be "miraculously" healed in the series (Locke being first). Desmond is proximate to both cases.

The numbers show up some more. Lots of crazy theories out there, and more "coincidences" through the series than you can shake a stick at. Good stuff.

Walt's phrase was evidently pronounced backwards. Run forwards, he says, "Push the button. No button is bad."

That brings up another thing. Why was the Walt/image of Walt all wet and spitting water when he was talking? How would Shannon have this image? Just too many questions, and I'm going to have to watch every week to find answers and uncover more questions. Darn writers.

So, here were are a few episodes later...

I almost threw my vodka at the TV when it came around to showing that same confrontation between Jack and Desmond, for the third episode in a row. At least this episode did give up a lot more than the second one.

The thing I kept thinking is how could it be physically possible that Desmond entered the numbers every 1.5 hours for years on end? I was under the impression that it's not humanly possible to maintain a sleep pattern like that for very long. If not, you might think Desmond's not actually the lab rat, but conning Jack/Locke into that role themselves.

Actually didn't Jack 'fix' his wife 3 years or so before the plane went down? If so Desmond would have only been on the island for about 3 years, and some of which he had a partner. But I agree with you that physically it would be very difficult to do that every 108 min.

I think it was quite awhile longer than that, but I don't know for sure. There's no solid time line for Jack and Desmond yet that I know of.

I was going to shoot my TV when they did the Jack-Desmond scene again. If I wanted a recap every episode, I would watch the Naruto episodes about the battle on the bridge.

So, I'm confused. Why was Hurley's friend all sad puppydog faced when he found out Hurley won the lottery?

I have no words for how lame that Jin-speaking-English bait and switch was. I felt so used.

He was probably freakin cause his buddy (Hurley)won the lottery and didn't tell him right away. When they could be having all this fun spending a bunch o money, and they both just got or were going to get fired.

What confused me was the clerk knowing that Hurley was the winner. What they only sell one lotto ticket a week or two a week that he would be able to spot Hurley sitting in a van at night in the parking lot? That seemed a bit far fetched for me.

They could've checked the security camera recordings at the time that the ticket was purchased, I guess. I don't think they ever do that though, so yeah it did seem a little odd.

I like seeing Sawyer getting pistol whipped by that hot little bisquit. I felt cheated though as well when on the previous previews Chin was speaking English then they throw that in as a feaking dream. Still liking the show though.

Ok.. I don't normally post in your "normal" forums, but in looking around, I'll probably start posting here (yeah, O Joy). I love the Lost, and have found you guys to have some interesting links and theories. Thanks.

I wanted to speculate on who you all think might bite it in the next show (since we're gonna have a couple weeks without the show, I think this would be cool).

I think we're fairly safe in assuming that the staples will remain. I'm calling the following people "off limits" to the guillotine.

Jack - Too vital.
Kate - Still too much unanswered, plus.. she's fucking HOT.
Locke - Too integral in the "Faith vs Science" arguement, and the coolest character in the cast, IMO.
Hurley - Too tied to the numbers
Sun - Too much backstory, and too much to gain with the reunion
Jin - See above
Michael - Won't off him till he either finds Walt's body or rescues him
Charlie - Too much drama with the drugs and the baby

Most others are expendable in my eyes. My list is in this order..

Shannon - Her relationship with Sayid is bleh, and with her brother gone, there's enough synergy lost that she'd be a nice target. Also, they've done very little to develop any background for her.

Claire - I just wonder if it wouldn't add a lot of drama to have her bite it and Charlie end up taking charge of the kid.

Sayid - Strong male role, but how many strong males do you need for a show? With Jack, Locke and the introduction of Echo (another strong male lead), Sayid just doesn't seem needed. Just seems the most expendable to me, despite his technical expertise. Not just despite.. but maybe BECAUSE of it. Without his expertise.. things become even more hairy, especially with the timer and such.

Walt - The drowned stuff and scenes just point to "ghost". With Sayid and Shannon sharing that vision though.. and claims from the show that "everything has an explanation", ya never know. Too weird to die at this point I guess.. but it'd be convenient.

Any others - Most of the rest of the Islanders are like the old Star Trek "Red Shirts". Just like the fella with the TNT, you'll see sudden and intense deaths of these lesser folk throughout the season just for the "Holy Shit" factor.

I'm pretty sure it's been narrowed down to one of the females, and supposedly one of the main characters.

And we got a big tip-off from E! Online, which got co-creator Damon Lindelof to tell everyone to "check out Marvin Candle's left hand. Weird, huh?" We did, and found that Candle's left arm and hand never moves throughout the entire orientation film. In fact it looks a bit fake, like a bad prosthetic.
It doesn't mention it there, but supposedly that quote about Candle's hand is supposed to be a clue as to who dies. Hell if I know how to interpret it though.

We should run a vBookie event on who dies in that episode...

We should run a vBookie event on who dies in that episode...

Solid. Fix it so I can use VBookie, and ya got a deal! ;)

Not many main female characters to choose from. Kinda leads me to think it would be Shannon or Claire, though Sun could be a possibility. It would make the communication with Jin more difficult for the group, but on the other hand they are communicating to an extent with him now. I doubt they would take out one of the new people. The previews led me to think Sawyer, but I don't see that happening. But with my track record on figuring out where the show is going, I wouldn't invest too much on that theory. ;)

Tough call though. The group from the back portion of the plane are probably more at risk than the other ones, just due to having to travel around the island, and avoid 'the others'.

Personally I'm rooting for Shannon to take the dirt nap. She is one of the characters I wouldn't miss.

We should run a vBookie event on who dies in that episode...
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I agree! In fact I was thinking at first it would be that blonde in the other camp thats trampling through the woods with Sawyer and crew at the moment. Just like when they blew up that teacher last season..he came out of the blue then couple episodes later they blew him up. Who knows could easily be Shannon or Claire though but my first pick is the no name blonde who actually has a nice rack on her.

Yeah but they said a major character, being in 3 episodes and having 5 lines total so far doesn't rank up there as a major character. They led us to believe that it would be someone we know, but who knows what/where this show is headed.

If it is to be a woman...I go for Shannon. There has to be more of a love triangle between Jack, Sawyer and Kate, Jin and Sun have to reunite...wayy too much made of Claire's background and the warning that only she can raise the baby.

What real character development for Shannon? Oh yeah, she is a bitch who uses men for whatever her current situation calls for. Whoopee! nothing left to guess there!

I think the next episode is supposed to be a Shannon flashback episode (with some Boone in it), so she's going to have a little more background. Hopefully it's her though. Getting killed off and saving the hotter or more useful female characters would be her best contribution to the show so far.

I thought they were going to have that new girl from the other side of the island as Sawyer's new moving buddy. I agree in that that is more to Claire's story to develop.

Remember Ana-Lucia (M. Rodriguez) met Jack in the hotel bar before the flight too, and seemed interested. I could see that whole Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Ana thing going lots of ways. Rodriguez is listed as a cast now, not a guest star. So, she's going to be around.

On IMDB, episode 2.8 has Desmond coming back and Dr. Marvin Candle back again. I wonder if that'll be a Demond flashback episode. They're also listing Rose and Bernard both as guest stars. I bet they aren't going to last much longer.

Wow I am amazed at how enthralled you all seem to be with this show. I only wish I had the time to watch TV. Methinks I might have enjoyed it. Hey Sanchek any chance of getting this added to the Download Services? At least that way I can watch it at my leisure.

It is an awesome show...I watched season one within 2 days..lol Lots I want to know the answers to.

Biggest two are...what happened to Jack's wife, and how did Locke become paralized?

Don't know about Jack's wife, but Locke was in a car accident. The car was also in Michael's, Kate's and Locke's, and rumor has it also in Hurley's and Charlie's flashback, but I haven't found those threads yet.

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2791&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=car+automobile+accident&start=0

Some say itsn't not because of this or that, but I think lighting can explain some of their disagreements. Too much coinciendce to not to be the same, especially whit this show.

Locke was walking long after that car backed into him. I don't buy that being the cause.

Yeah, Locke got up and kept moving after that hit, and right after his kidney transplant...something else had to have happened.

My take:

Claire is going to die, and Charlie and Shannon are both going to jump in as caretakers for the little one, which will mesh with some of the history that will be unfolding regarding Shannon; this will not only allow her to tap in on some inner strengths and emotions long hidden, but will also give her the opportunity to interact with Charlie on a whole different level.

And, if any of the stories are true about what a PITA Emilie DeRavin is to work with, her character's death will be even less surprising.

So, when do I get to watch this show again??

This Wednesday.

It looked like in the previews that Shannon was crying at a make shift grave on top of a cliff over looking the ocean. Could be a dream though we all know how Lost likes to trick you with its previews.

I bet that was Boone's grave.

http://a.media.abc.com/podcast/lost/Lostpodcast_04_direct.mp3

Some hints at what's important to pay attention to.

When will it be new again??

I am really pissed at this show. People who like it ..at work, school, family members, are all really disappointed in the lack of new episodes. However you can bet the first new one..everyone will still watch it.

Next week.

2 more days...
*starts twitching*

Lost Fix incoming in 1 more day...

Bing.

Now we know where the Holy plane with drugs came from...

Best line, "What are you going to do, hit me with your Jesus stick!?"

Best line, "What are you going to do, hit me with your Jesus stick!?"
Haha. I was about to post that myself.

So, I wonder if Charlie's been using or if he's just setting up a stash for later?

Last nights show was pretty fricken cool. I actually was smiling on the last line..."So how long will it take to train an army?"! Time to get it on with the inbreeds.

Last nights show was pretty fricken cool. I actually was smiling on the last line..."So how long will it take to train an army?"! Time to get it on with the inbreeds.

HAHA, inbreeds.

I thought the breakup between Jack and his wife rather pedestrian. I didn't catch her saying who she had been sleeping with. An islander? Jack's dad? The local football team (#'s 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42)?

She didn't say she was sleeping with, she said she was seeing someone! I know right away you have to think shes jumping in the sack!

Actually there was another site, that showed the picture of Desmond and a girl. The girl had a striking resemblence to Jack's wife, I don't know it that was on purpose or not. It makes it more interesting that Jack met Desmond when he saved his future wife's ability to walk.

I see Jack heading for a major meltdown.

Man what a boring episode that was last night :(

/agree

And when did Locke turn into Jet Li?

I started feeling sorry for Charlie, but he doesn't think things through very well.

"I'm seeing someone (naked)"

Lost really did blow that episode. I mean thats the best they can come up with, with all the time off they have had? Jesus I see a sinking ship with this series...its to bad.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e74/flemco/lostglyph2.jpg

Ok. This is driving me insane. Other DHARMA station symbols, perhaps? The Armageddon Slot Machine?

Edit: shoddy formatting

They're hieroglyphs that roughly translate to "You Die (now)".

My guess is that the low pitch sounds were the blast doors that Sayid identified earlier moving into place. The timer is probably a self-destruct mechanism to wipe out any intruders and/or evidence of the project, if the bunker falls under non-Dharma control.

Man, we we're getting so pumped up when the things start flipping over to the hieroglyphs. Fuck Locke and fuck Dharma for letting him put in the numbers so damn late! Time was up!

Symbols are a lil different from what Sanchek posted, but got this off the numbers website! Does seem to imply 'cause to die', or simply 'die'.http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e183/Alyson3783/hieroglyphs.jpg

It's the implied meaning.

Kinda like L2's board title that he thought was oh so clever.

It just shows me that there is a delay once the countdown timer hits zero. Now how big is this delay? 3 days, 2 years?

Friggin thing is starting to blow. It's driving me nuts.

Looks like next week is girl week with all the ladies chasing Claire around the woods. They need to spice it up some and start taking the clothes of some of these ladies.

If you don't frequent the Lost fanboi websites, take notice of the new timer in the preview for next week. Let's see if Locke wants to push the buttons for that one too.

Two books shown for the camera: "An Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge" (wherein a man about to be hanged makes his escape until the very end, when it is shown to be just a daydream), and the script "Bad Twin" by Gary Thorpe, which Hurley described as a crime drama I think. Red herrings? Little clues? Who knows!

This season is totally screwed. Another repeat?

Yepper and according to my coworker, next week is supposed to be a repeat as well. He is one of those that watches each episode like 3 times looking for stuff, then posts on in the forums.

I read new episode next week, then 4 weeks of reruns. = /

Not a bad episode..now lets hope they keep it rolling and not a new episode once a month.

Next week's looks great. It also appears they're going to validate my blast door theory.

Wow, I didn't know this thread Existed.
Thanks for the Heiroglyphics translation, I wondered what the Symbols were and what they meant.
I think there's some kind of "regeneration" going on on the Island, IE Locke's legs, and Jin's "polywogs" starting to "swim".
Wonder if the baby that Sun is carrying will be normal or not.
Wow, this show ROCKS.

Here's the schedule for the rest of the season, as to avoid the heartbreak of getting a repeat when you expected a new episode.

Mar 29 - Lockdown - NEW
Apr 5 - Dave - NEW
Apr 12 - S.O.S. - NEW
Apr 19 - Repeat
Apr 26 - Repeat
May 3 - Episode 20 - NEW
May 10 - Episode 21 - NEW
May 17 - Episode 22 - NEW
May 24 - Episode 23 - 2 hour Finale - NEW

Oh nice! Lots to go yet.

No comments on the blacklight map? hrmph... maybe more tonight.

I thought last week's epi was one of the better ones so far this season. Gonna suck when Hurley dies. :devil

#@$% I'm going to start hating this show after last night. What a mind job.

***SPOILER***

what happened, my DVR cut off, last thing i saw was Hurley on the edge of the cliff saying that there is no way a girl that hot would be into him, and then it cuts off......

She told him about some guy that got killed on the tail section side of the island and asked Hurley his name. Hurley didn't know. So, she convinced him it couldn't all be in Hurley's head if things were happening he didn't know about. That was mostly it.

"Mostly it"?!? ....

Then the show ended with a flashback to Hurley putting his arm around his make believe friend in the psych-ward.... and the blonde girl was a patient in the room watching them.

Oh yeah. I think we already had that part figured out though.

LOL, I was really beginning to wonder, if it all was in his head or not.
Watching Hurly beat Sawyer up was priceless.
Don't piss off the big guy.

I liked that part as well. Its funny though because I was wondering the same thing..they are on this Island and he hasn't lost a single pound!

People thought it was all in someone's head, ala Identity. It was one of those popular theories like the purgatory one. Someone asked about that theory in a Q&A with Lindelof and he shot it down (along with purgatory).

I'm assuming the end of the episode was a pot shot at that theory.

Wow Micheal is back! The next epsidoe looks to be a good one. Time to battle the others.

Leroyyyy Jeeeennnnkkiinnnsssss!!!


I'm thinkin Anna Lucia's Gonna have to go Puerto Rician on that guy in the hatch.
Looks like things are heating up....

That was... wow.

/splooge

Ha that was a great show last night. WTF is going on now.

His underlying motives are too predictable. Anything he does is something to do with getting Walt back.

He either made a deal with the others beforehand to bring "Henry" back, or decided to when he got back and learned they were holding him.

I'm kinda disappointed to see Libby go so soon. I thought we were going to get some interesting twist on her being in the crazy farm with Hurley.

Libby I think is still alive, but Anna Lucia is dead.
The actress shouldn't have been drinking and driving in Hawaii.

:O

I think Michael did it for 1 of 2 reasons. He did it to solidify the group in their resolve to attack the others. Or the others told him to free Henry or he would never see his son again.

Libby may still be alive. I don't think they have explored that relationship with Hurley to the full extent they want to. Even if she is alive she will be incapacitated in some way so that it takes a couple episodes before she can tell everyone that Michael shot her.

Anyone else find it interesting that the 'others' Michael described didn't sound like the others that Jack, Michael, Sawyer, etc have had run ins with before? It's making me think that the theory with 2 sets of 'others' is true. The ones Michael describes could be the living the lifestyle that Jack and crew get to look forward to.

Anyone else find it interesting that the 'others' Michael described didn't sound like the others that Jack, Michael, Sawyer, etc have had run ins with before? It's making me think that the theory with 2 sets of 'others' is true. The ones Michael describes could be the living the lifestyle that Jack and crew get to look forward to.
I think they're acting. Remember Kate found the fake beard and tattered clothes that Zeke (was that his name?) was wearing, in a locker in the medical hatch. They're probably just acting the role of long time survivors to keep everyone in the dark about whatever the true nature of the island is.

Libby is dead, she signed on to another show next season. Really dont think she is coming back. After seeing the previews, i think Michael has be "trasnformed" into an Other but i think he is having reservations about it. His son is obviously a catalyst in this situation.

If there's no further background given on the Libby-Hurley connection, I'll be disappointed. She's been set up as a mystery, the show needs to solve it or else her segments have really been a waste of time. It'll be interesting to see what a "batshit crazy Hurley" looks like in action. So, does Libby lie in a comatose state unable to speak about Michael (and providing an avenue for her own flashback tale), or do the producers just axe her and move on, maybe handling the Hurley-Libby connection some other way?

Why would anyone believe Michael's story? He talks about seeing one of the Others and tracking him back to their camp, surveilling them, seeing just a couple guns. And he did nothing? Crazy Michael who had to go after his son alone? And was able to track the forest-wise Others and watch them unseen through at least a few guard rotations? I didn't buy it for a moment and knew Ana Lucia was toast well before he shot her.

All of you must've been watching via TiVo, since I haven't seen mention of the Hanso Corporation ad near the end of the episode (~minute 52). I only knew to look for it via a co-worker, but it's there. At the ad's start, there was some writing at the bottom left: "Paid for by <illegible>" I haven't poked around the 'net to see what was said, but it was a clever insertion. The ad provides a number to call as well...

Overall, a decent episode compared to the previous several. I hope they can keep the tension level ramped up through season's end, as the last few months have been kinda weak. The episode scheduling hasn't helped matters.

You mean this number, 1-877-HANSORG?

Found in this thread: http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic2.php?t=16617

This one has some info about the commercial: http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic2.php?t=16284

Ok, missed the last few minutes. What happened after Hurley walked over to Libby?

She wakes up for a second, says "Michael", then dies. It ends with Michael standing in the jail cell, and then the camera zooms in on the computer prompt >:

Ah.

Weird episode with Echo... my wife said the drowned girl's dad (the psychic) was the same one who sent Claire off to the states while pregnant...

My memory is very fuzzy going back that far.

Yeah, that's him.

So I wonder if the camera's picked up Michael shooting everyone, and who recorded that tidbit of info. You know that some how some way thats going to come into play.

good point Nanora

LOL My husband was hollering at the tv "omg look for a tape, LOOK FOR A TAPE" lol, he was so sure that they were going to find a tape showing that Michael was the ones who shot them.

A boat!

The Others' ?

Yeah, this is getting interesting.
Sayid is a smart man. I kinda picked up on the whole Michael trying to get certain people to go with him a few minutes into his "Let's keep this small" speech.
Looks like a pretty nice boat, though.
And it sounds like a return of the "monster".
I hate Season Finales....

A boat!

The Others' ?

Yep. In the first season Michael, Walt, Jin and Sawyer sailed off. The others showed up in a motor boat and took Walt. He wants the boat they used.

Last night was a larger sail boat ... I think the first season Others' boat was a simple motor boat. No reason they can't have two though I suppose...

I think Nanora is refering to what Michael said to the "Others" when they told him what they wanted from Him. They asked Michael to go get Jack, Hurrley, Sawyer, and one other..he said then you will give me my son back and.....boat. Then they changed scenes at that points.

The sail boat was different all together me thinks..possibly someone lost and ending up on the Island.

Sayid is a smart man. I kinda picked up on the whole Michael trying to get certain people to go with him a few minutes into his "Let's keep this small" speech.
I was suspicious (not necessarily of Michael exactly) from the moment he just happened to fall down in the jungle in front of Jack and Kate... while apparently drugged. But yeah, he overplayed his hand in trying to get just the five of them into the jungle... that was way obvious, so that leads me to believe the Others wanted him to act that way...

haha, I hate this show.

The sail boat was different all together me thinks..possibly someone lost and ending up on the Island. Nothing is a coincidence in Lost :)

Sawyer tells Jack he is the closest thing to a friend he has. It was an "awwwww" moment!


I wonder why they want those specific people? I gather they want Jack because he's a doctor. And Hurley had the winning lottery numbers and the whole being in the funny farm thing. But why Sawyer and Kate? And why not John, who supposedly has been miracuously cured? Or is this just the first round of testing for them?

Why didn't Echo tell Jack about the other bunker? He needs to tell Sayid so he can go there and poke around and find the tape of Michael shooting Libby and Anna Lucia that I hope exists lol.

Yeah Ibudin was right. I thought you were refering to Michael's request for the boat. But the sailboat was sighted. I have no clue about the sailboat. It will probably be a ghost ship or something which will lead to more questions. Damn I feel like Cage's dad from National Treasure. That clue will lead you to another clue which will lead to another clue, etc.

I'm betting Charlie has also been turned. It seems a bit fishy that he turned up with the vaccines when he did.

nah, he's just trying to get in the Chick's pants.

I definitly thought that the whole "Only Five people" argument by Michael was just to Over the top Obvious. I was actually Kinda disappointed that it was so Obvious.

Anyhow, I'm looking forward to next week.

I think this show would be a lot cooler if Evangelline Lily just walked around naked for an hour.

I'd buy that for a dollar.

Last night was a larger sail boat ... I think the first season Others' boat was a simple motor boat. No reason they can't have two though I suppose...
I'm putting my money on the sail boat being Desmond (or at least his boat).

Oh wow, completely forgot about him!

Wasn't his story that he wrecked the boat on that island? And why would he sit in the hatch fighting people off if he wanted to leave. Well two more days and some questions will be answered and others will be brought up. Which will leave us chomping at the bit for next season.

Maybe he fixed the boat gradually while he was in the hatch, and was so sold on the importance of the button that he stayed on until his "replacement" arrived.

He probably tried to leave when he ran out of the hatch, but the current or whatever that brought Mike, Sawyer, and Jin back to the island brought the sailboat back too.

Desmond is in the preview for the Season Finale.

According to a TV guide report I read, Libby will be in the finale and some of next season in the form of flashbacks. Also, the connection between Libby and Hurley (The mental hospital thing) will be explained in the finale, and apparently Desmond is involved.

Just a reminder
Season finale. Questions answered, and more pop up.

A few weeks ago AICN had Desmond as the finale's flashback feature fellow.

"They're pretending!" Walt said. And Mr. Beardy was playing dressup with the false facial hair. This again suggests the island is a Skinner box of some sort, like the hatch and buttons themselves, but that seems too simplistic, and too obvious this early on in the game. Fun fun fun...

I don't even know where to begin. /sigh

Wow, What a season Finale!!!!
I was very Impressed!!! Henry was the ringleader all along! What a head trip!!!!!
Just......WOW!!!!

Which brings up the more important question of how did he end up in the hatch? Did he purposely get trapped, knowing Danielle would lead Sayid to him? Was Danielle in on it, probably in hopes of getting Alex back?

That was a great season ending show but no questions answered. How many people thought the guys in the artic was a comercial at the end? I am starting to think LOST is based on string theories. Mutli dimensional universe.

Just as a side note, Henry Gale was the Name of Dorothy's Uncle in the Wizard of Oz.
In the Original Wizard of Oz, the Wizard was brought to Oz in a Hot Air Balloon....

We aren't in Kansas anymore, are we Toto?

Well 1 question was answered, we know what happens if you don't push the button....

"We're the good guys"

I know they routinely drag people off into the jungle, shot Sawyer on the boat when they kidnapped Michael's kid, lynched Charlie, psyched Anna Lucia into killing one of the real passengers, and of course cohersed Michael into killing so he could get his kid back...

..but have the Others actually killed anyone yet themselves?

That was a great season ending show but no questions answered. Well, net gain on anwered questions is zero. Everytime they answer one, they create two or three more.

So Libby meets a stranger in a coffee shop in the airport and gives him a boat?! No wonder she was in the funny farm with Hurley... :D

Yes, I thought the guys sitting in the artic in the end was a commercial! That was just completely crazy.

Anyone else feel jipped? Now I have to wait for next season for a couple answers and more questions.

I thought that end was a commercial, as well. But who is Desmond's ex looking for, and if it is him how the hell did she know what to look for? She did say to Desmond before he started running that she found him because she has money and with enough money you can find anyone. But why/how did she know to look for a Magnetic Anomoly (sp)?

Was anyone else hoping that the 'Others' would double cross Michael. :D

Desmond: "I crashed your plane!" Brilliant.

I keep feeling that there are one or two major clues that I've missed among the noise of 50 different subplots.

My main theory at the moment is that the "others" are all Dharma employees who would go to any length to further their experiments.

And man, I thought Ingram was one of the others for a while.

I thought that end was a commercial, as well. But who is Desmond's ex looking for, and if it is him how the hell did she know what to look for? She did say to Desmond before he started running that she found him because she has money and with enough money you can find anyone. But why/how did she know to look for a Magnetic Anomoly (sp)?
His ex's dad owns companies that are connected with Dharma. Some of the items on the island were manufactured by them. She probably knows more than you would assume, if she's been searching for him for several years now.

"I think we found it," said the guy at the end, rather than "him." So two guys playing chess in...a very cold place have been looking for a magnetic anomaly and found one...in a very warm place. They're tapped in. When they see the light flashing they talk of possibly missing it again -- probably referring to Desmond's near miss on the numbers. So Penelope might, from all this, find Desmond, who was -- by "chance" -- marooned on the island 3 years previous. And Desmond got to the island by acquiring a boat from a woman he met -- by "chance" -- who had a boat available AND ended up on the island as well.

My current suspicion is that the Others are Dharma employees from the other stations who were affected by fallout from the 'accident.' Walt's line about them 'pretending' and not being who they say they are still leaves me guessing, tho'. I wonder if any of them have 4 toes...

So Libby meets a stranger in a coffee shop in the airport and gives him a boat?! No wonder she was in the funny farm with Hurley... :D


Airport? Did I miss something?



I'm not sure on the "Others." Are they Dharma employees or were they they the test subjects?

Oh... another thing: If the fallout from not pushing the button was real... what of the antidote?

I was equating employees with test subjects, emphasis on the latter. Just one of a 1000 guesses...

Something my roomate said that i totally forgot about... The guy who was with Desmond in the hatch aka Clancy Brown, was also the "spook" that was involved with Sayid becoming a interogator. I totally forgot about that.

Oh Wow, this gets more and more twisted.....

Damnit! Thanks for that, I knew I had seen him somewhere in the show, but I thought he might have been the man in the beard until that theory was shot down later in the show.

Producers have said that michelle rodriguez will not be back even in flashbacks, makes me wonder if the DUI charges had anything to do with it.

Also, **quasi spoiler***

Michael and Walt will NOT be main charaters in next seaons only some reooccuring roles. Looks like their trip might be permanate.

THe "HIM" aka Hale, has been signed to a contract to appear in most the episodes next season, should make things interesting.

Darn, I really liked Anna Lucia.
Much hotter than any of the other ladies on there IMO...

you are on crack, KAte > All

Michelle Rodriguez is an uneducated bitch who isn't that hot and plays the same character in every fucking film/show she is in. =P

I have a feeling that in their titanic struggle to never explain shit, they'll use a recently popular idea of jumping a year -- but since this is LOST -- they'll put a crazy twist on it and go a year in the past!

Time to bump this thread.

I thought last nights episode was cool. I wonder what the heck they are doing to Kate..she looked like she was rode hard and put away wet when they locked her in the cage.

Yeah... I was wondering the same thing. She seemed to be in a stupor when he walked her around, but came out of it a little when Sawyer started talking to her. And the "the next couple weeks" comment really makes me wonder. Its like they have something in particular planned for Kate and not the other two.

I'd be riding Kate hard too if I were them. =P

I wasn't very happy with the premiere. The only other show I watch is 24, and when the season begins I get a 4 hour dose of Jack Bauer. Usually by the end of the weekend half the cast has died and Jack is already saving the world.

By comparison, the Lost episode was boring. Nothing really happened. I liked the opening scene (With the others in their habitat) and of course, the Kate shower scene. That aside though, I'd say it was pretty lame. There were a couple interesting parts (Such as them blatantly playing to the 'Lost is an experiment' theory which has already been debunked), but what really happened? Sawyer ate a fish biscuit. Jack got mindfucked by some woman. Oh, and they're in the underwater Hydra station.

I hope next week is better.

I would agree with Ain. I was a little disappointed with the season premier. Really thought that they could have set up the season a lot better.

Yeah this opener was a let down. Though I think it is more because I was hoping to learn more of the others and get some questions answered. But while 1 or 2 questions got answered a whole slew of new ones get asked. Kinda getting fed up with it, but I won't stop watching, for fear that I'll miss the episode where all questions get answered.

That would be the final episode. They all ready know how the whole series is gonna end.
It is planned for 6 seasons.
We did learn that there are "Creature comforts" on the island.
And we learned that you shouldn't trust the Others...

Its back and last nights episode was good I thought.

So far I've been ok with the episodes so far in this part of the season. They haven't really introduced any new questions and have even answered some.

The fog is slowly clearing on some subjects. I still have faith in the show, and believe that, if its done well, the final episodes will be truely rewarding to those who have continued to follow the show.

At least thats what I keep telling myself.

Well, the Locke episode was worth waiting on. Wow.

Wow indeed. Best episode this season yet.

Talk about your "Twilight Zone" episode... sheesh...

I didn't see that ending coming actually. It was pretty well done.

Heh, that ending was rough.

So, did they shoot those earlier scenes all the way back when the series began or were they composited? If they had this all planned from the beginning, it gives me hope that they do actually have a solid plan for where things are going and it'll all be worth the occasional meandering that they're prone to.

The wife was wondering the same. One would think it would be easy to drop them into a scene from before but who knows.

What really got me was the using the bathroom thing. I mean.. did they plan that the whole time or did they just come up with it on the fly? Either way, its awesome to see "meaningless" details from a previous episode given some major meaning later on. Even if it wasn't planned, it does build faith in the show and hope for an amazing outcome for the series.

I actually remember the episode when he actually used that bathroom after the 4 of them climbed down the hole. That was when they spotted that others in the cabin with the eye patch on the TV.

Yeah, I remember that one too. It was funny because at that point, he had basically only been seen going to or coming from taking a dump.

That was this season though, so it wouldn't really give me hope like it would if they've been planned in since the first episode.

You know what's annoying about them being buried, she woke up first, just too late. Yet, he was bitten first. Shouldn't he have been awake a minute or two earlier than her?

Actually... one of my friends brought that up too. I thought about it and figure, if you need to rationalize it, he was bit by a female and she was bit by a male. In spiders males are typically smaller (having less venom) and some have less potent venom.

Also I believe how long poison stays in your system and when the effects wear off depend greatly on the person. Metabolism as well as a number of other factors could have an effect.

Right, but the metabolism of a male is generally higher than a similar female's.

Not to mention he was probably 50+# more than her.

Lol... go with the female having more potent / more venom then ; p

I'll have to do some digging, but I thought that they had the first 4 seasons in the bag before they started going too far into it. In which case they would have filmed a lot of those flashback scenes back then when they were on that set. I'll dig and see what I can find...

I'd like to thank the writers for taking ideas from my subconscious in their efforts to enhance their program. In particular, that portion of my subconscious relating to Kate and Juliet, hand-cuffed, cat-fighting, during a thunderstorm, in the mud. I look forward to more of the same in future installments.

On a related note, $20 says that Locke's dad has, in years past, used the alias "Sawyer."

Yeah, it's pretty much a given he's Sawyer's Sawyer, I think.

So who's the parachutist?

Must be someone working/being paid by Desmonds rich wife/gf. There was an episode a long while ago that she was looking for him and was tracking him some way. Shes aware of the Island but not how to get to it.

I don't think Penny was necessarily aware of the island, so much as a general area where he disappeared on his sailboat race. The guys she had at that Antarctic station seemed to be tracking a large area of the South Pacific, looking at the stuff around the room they were in.

Did anyone else notice the picture on the head monk guy's desk? I think it was him and the lady from the jewelery store that steered Desmond in a previous episode. So, the monk might be part of the same... whatever that would be.

Yeah, we paused it to see the picture. Thats her alright.

Yeah, it's pretty much a given he's Sawyer's Sawyer, I think.
I didn't figure he'd actually kill him.

So, the writers shot down the purgatory theory in season one. Was that just a technicality perhaps? It seems like, whatever particular label you use, they must be in some sort of afterlife.

I really think the writers are playing on that to get the rumor mills started. Hell, theres been no comments on this thread in 2 weeks and now we're talking about it again.. so they've achieved their goal, at least on us hehe. I really don't think its some form of after life. After all, the EMP blast from season 2 was detected in the real world. And.. people can die; not typical of standard beliefs in the afterlife, especially those of hell.

There is something a little fishy about the two sources that say they found the plane with the bodies. I have a sneaking suspicion that the girl that dropped out of the sky is going to be not what she seems. Sayid planted that little seed of doubt in last night's episode.. well played by the writers.

The thing with Lost is that its the kind of show that you're never supposed to know whats going on until the end. It generates a lot of buzz and speculation. The problem is, some people can only take so much of that before getting their questions answered. These are the type that prefer a 2 hour movie with these types of questions which are all answered at the end. Something this epic is just too much for them and they lose interest. Its a niche show... a rather large niche judging by the number of people that love it, but a niche none the less.

It seems odd that the real Sawyer also corroborated the afterlife idea too though, independently. I doubt it will end up being purgatory, per se, because there's far too much Buddhist symbolism in the show for them to go that direction. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up being part of some Eastern version of afterlife though.

Okay I can finally read this thread. It is amazing at how close most of your guess' were over the last few years (I read the whole thread).

I bascially watched three seasons in the last few weeks and am currently up to date as of 30 minutes ago.

Something supernatural is going on. The Black Smoke is proof of that.

Personally I would have rathered the "others" to be more war-like cannibals. There are, what, about 25 of them with every form of technology they need all the way up to a freaking submarine.

I don't think it is an after life situation. The plane they found was set up/ planted or just lied about by the same Darhma people.

I would love to know how the eye-patch guy is back to life though. I wonder if he was truely dead or just rendered unconcious, thus keeping with the Other's "good guy" attitude.

Locke has always been my favorite character but Saiyd is a very close second. I was pissed with Echo/Eckholt died though :(

More later... gotta run?

I like Jacks new blonde girl friend. And did you catch the thing between Jack, Kate, and the blonde (her name slips my mind at the moment) when she said to Jack...we should tell her? Meaning that they were going to tell Kate something about "getting off the Island reality..." isn't going to be possible. Meaning they know something the rest don't?
I wonder what it is.

Okay a few more things to mention....

The "others" doctor, when he and Jack were fighting out in the woods, why was he such a bad ass? He as slipping and dodging all of Jack's attacks with relative ease... But when Sawyer took on the guys when he was busting rocks he man handled 3 or 4 of them. I was under the impression that they were ALL going to be some sort of martial experts and forest masters... :(


Next, Did anyone catch it when Ben (calling himself Henry) was asked about the "bearded" man (which they thought was the leader of the others) he gave himself a compliment saying that the man who lead them was a "great man" ... it was himself he was talking about.... also, later on there was an implication that Ben Linus was *not* the ultimate leader.

I am wondering more about the Patch'd eyed guy now. Also, how in the hell do they get to the island via plan without it crashing all the time?

Does anyone have any idea on Locke's solo journey now?

Their safe transport to the island has been that sub (or regular ship, in the case of Danielle's group).

I'd be surprised if Ben is the real leader. He seems like management to me.

One of my favorite lines on the show was when Hugo was questioning Syiad about Gulf war syndrome... and he replied "that was the other side" :)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/07/television.lost.reut/index.html


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I'm thinking no one dies on this island, but it's set in the real world.

Jack saw his dad walking around and his casket was empty shortly after the crash.... Eyepatch guy survived, Ben healing himself rather quickly.... I'm sure Sawyer's dad's broken neck will heal itself shortly.

And they need to dig up some of their friends they've buried on their beach.

Actually quite a few have died.

Hurleys girl friend died. That hispanic girl died same year. Sawyers girl friend died from the hispanic girl who died, I think same season. They have killed at least two others...hispanic girl did on her side of the island and on Jacks side of the Island, Charlie killed Ethan.

yeah lots of people have died. Syaid's woman died. Just need to explain the black smoke now. Originally I thought it was going to be more of a fight against the wierd polar bears and boar etc... but it changed fast...and for the better.

Yeah... I don't think the island can resurrect people. Look at the dead people at the bottom of the pond where the diamonds were. Still dead.

I think that the smoke creature can "become" (shape shifting?) people, though. Maybe its people you're thinking about or something like that. Remember Ben said that thing about the box and whatever you want would be in it? Then later he said the box was a metephore? I think the black creature is the box.

There was a scene, I don't remember which season (late one or early two) where you get an interesting view of the smoke creature from inside (http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6214). It can read minds. Right before he was killed by it, Eko saw his brother. Jack saw his father in season 1. Someone (Shannon I think) was seeing Walt. Hugo saw his friend from the assylum.

IF the smoke creature can materialize as people, its also possible that the Russian doctor (Mikael?) was a manifestation of it.

The smoke thing couldn't be the Russian. He "died" by going through the fence that the smoke monster can't penetrate.

The Russian dieing to the wall has nothing to do with the smoke creature being able to take his form.

I wasn't saying the smoke creature was animating his dead body; my theory is that it can materialize as whatever, but it is intelligent.

Consider this: When the girl fell from the tree, what did they want more than anything else right at that moment? Jack, the doctor. What appeared? A battlefield doctor. I think the smoke creature knew they wanted a doctor, but also knew it couldn't appear as Jack since there would be no explaining Jack coming out of nowhere then having to dissapear.

I am thinking that the island is more of a place where a spirit was sent to, confined if you will, from the after life. This is where the strange and mystifing things originate from..... it is either a good/bad or in between and the "magic" is a by-product of it's higher plane of existence.... but I am subject to change my mind at any moment :)

The season was just sign for 48 more episodes, and then its over. The creators in a interview said we wont find out what the black smoke thing is until the series, yes i said series finale

Because they don't know yet :)

Oh crap Locke is down. He can't die thats for sure.

I think Locke will heal up, via Island-Juju-Powers that he apparently is receiving.

Well so much for Mikael being the smoke creature. I was dissapointed with the "not set to kill" explination. Blah.

Still, I think the creature takes the shape of people. Ben's mom, for instance.

I think thats true as well Akom and until I see both happen in the same screen, I'll tend to believe so.

Locke can't go down! He is my favorite character!

I do like the intrigue that was created by Ben revealing he is NOT from the island. I also am glad to find out more about Dharma.... and Roger Workman (remember the body in the Volkswagon van? that was him) thing was great..... they tie this show together better than any other show I have ever seen.

So who thinks "Jacob" is the black smoke?

I hate to pull this out now, but I have been reading stuff about time line alterations.

The purple sky is indicative of temporal disturbances.... either that or a Prince and the Revolution twist.....

Time line alterations make sense if you think about it..... the Island has special properties that make things happen..... i dunno....

I wonder if the childbirthing issues on the island have something to do with Ben's mother dying in childbirth -- kind of a sympathetic 'magic' going on.

It's great to see this show kicking ass again, but two 24 episode seasons to finish it off would be so much better.

EDIT: To add, I wonder if this isn't going to turn into The Stand, with Ben in the Randall Flagg role, having decided his way is better than Jacob's, and Locke being the 'promised one' here to fight for whatever state of affairs Jacob is concerned with.

Maybe a new soul can't be born in this purgatory? Only souls that are sent there after their body is dead?

I hate this line of thought but maybe?

Oh and I do remember The Stand... It was great for it's time. Made me go out and buy a .357 just in case :)

Ok... here's an interesting theory from one of the people that I watch with:

The original "hostiles" (others) are the pirates that crashed on the island (whenever that was) in the boat that Sawyer killed Sawyer in, heh. The pirates, for whatever reason (island powers?) are immortal. The hispanic guy (can't remember his name) is actually one of said pirates. Hence the odd looking cloths he had on when Ben first saw him. Also would explain why he looks no older when it is obviously 30+ years later.

The hispanic guy meaning "Hugo" the fat guy? Or the guy who "recruited" the blonde chick who is currently spying on the lost people?

The guy who recruited Ben into his plans

Right, he recruited Ben decades ago and Juliet more recently, and seems to have never aged in all of that time.

Well after tonights developements I was worried Drive Shaft would never get back together....

Ben tells the group that they can't go to looking glass hatch because it is flooded.... but we find out Ben lied.... Benjamen is such a weasal....... Finally Jack did the right thing though.... getting the french woman as an ally would have been my #1 priority long ago.

Heads up..... 2 hour season finale Wednesday.... I think it starts an hour early instead of extending an hour late so be aware.

BTW, did you all watch Lost: The Answers? Was a special on the other night. Don't know if they're going to re-run it. No new information, just confirmations of certain things.

Any predictions for tonight?

Personally, I don't think they're going to reveal that Lock is still alive till next season... just going to leave us hanging.

OMFG What the hell?

It can't be. Jack and Kate and who knows else got off the island? And now they will be trying to get back for the next three seasons? When Jack got in a fight with the head doctor he said go get his father on the the third floor, and at the pharmacy he was writting scripts out of his dads account...wierd

He was drunk the two times he was talking about his father.

My friend had a theory that from this point forward the show will at the current time (Bearded Jack) and his quest to get back to the island and all flashbacks will be flashes back to the island.

I hope not... I mean.. I guess its just fear of dramatic change, but in my mind the show was supposed to end when they were finally, officially rescued...

I don't think they were rescued last night. I think we'll find that the "rescue" last night didn't work, and that there's still a lot of island time left before they're off.

Was it just me or did that beard look really fake on Jack? Also, I was sorry to see the musician die....

I don't see how Benjamin can expect ANYONE to believe him when he says ANYTHING.... he double crosses people way too much. Personally I would have killed him at the first opportunity.

Sawyer is fast becoming my favorite character.

If the rest of the show is going to be flash backs to when they were on the island then it will take a big bite out of the "drama".

Locke popping back up was a given. I think it is safe to say that "Jacob" is the smoke, and all the illusions that keep happening.

The question that I want answered the most is what is so special about the island and why does Benjamin and the others (meaning his crew) want to be there so much?

Oh and I thought the season finale was weak.

Oh and one more thing..... did Locke *have* to kill that girl?

Here’s something to ponder, (bearded)Jack ventures off to the funeral home after reading the obituary he found in a paper.. but who died? I’m thinking its Locke, because no friends, no family showed up to the wake, kind of sounds like it could be Locke. But now when Jack and Kate meet, she answered “why would I go to his/her funeral” as if she wasn’t friendly with the person that died. Locke has been trying to stay on the island for sure, the only reason Jack showed up at the Funeral home, was because he realized that Locke was right, Jacks life sucks off the island. I think Season 4 will be about LOCKE sabotaging the rescue team and angering everyone that wants off. End of Season 3 basically says that help is on its way to come to save everyone, but season 4 will show that the help doesn’t leave the island.. introducing new characters to the show. Kate also implies that there is someone waiting for her so she can’t stay long when she’s talking with Jack… hmmm sawyer and Kate together off the island in the future? Maybe.. this show is too good J

Want to know how crazy this show is?

The funeral home was called Hoffs Drawlar.


This is an anagram for "flash forward".

Alright... 2 quick things.

When jack was reading the newspaper clipping i paused it and looked closely. I noticed that the name of the person who died started with a J. That is of course IF i read it correctly. It was a hard thing to read but worked out somewhat like...

"A M................... was found th.... in h... loft... at about .......morning......Was......ified as J............"

I may have the order of what i read somewhat messed up, but there were 2 of us watching it and we both gasped and tried to guess who it was.

ALSO...

During the part with Jacob in the hut. I paused it JUST in time to see Jacob, It was a dark shot and somewhat at an angle from his side. But he had LONG hair and a long beard.

Me and my friend both thought... JESUS! right at that moment. But after thinking about it more decided that that probably wasnt who Jacob is.

All in all... That finale was A big WOW

Newspaper Website: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Newspaper_clipping

So the funeral really is a character we haven't met yet? Very well could be. I don't see *anyone* getting Locke off that island unless he is convienced to leave.

This show throws you forwards, backwards, inside then out.....

4 minutes until the new season FINALLY !!!

I bet you're pretty disappointed by now.

Stupid postquel on now...

LOL the new season starts tomorrow night doesn't it?

yeah :) lol sigh

If it makes you feel any better, I almost made the same mistake. I was getting all geared up to watch it tonight, until a friend asked me if I wanted to come over tomorrow to watch it.

Interesting bit of trivia, while I'm thinking about Lost. In the pilot of Chuck, one of the flashes he sees initially is something about Oceanic flight 815.

i did notice that too San

Lost starts back this week.... if you google the "top 5" lost theories, they are a joke. Only the one at www.timelooptheory.com makes any sort of sense.

Lost Tonight!

Lost Tonight!

Thursdays make my week worth living... :D

True, True.....
Lost is doing MUCH better than the previous shows of this type....
Someone asked me to explain Lost to her, and I said it's like Survivor meets the X-Files....

So, the writers shot down the purgatory theory in season one. Was that just a technicality perhaps? It seems like, whatever particular label you use, they must be in some sort of afterlife.

What a waste of six years.

LOVED IT! SO much great things, still not sure i actually got it but I loved it.

No, Sanchek the island was not purgatory / the after life. A LOT of people are misconceiving that... thinking they died in the plane crash and EVERYTHING else is just the limbo they were in.

The island and everything that happened on it was real. I was happy with how they ended the Island story. I thought the "flash sideways" thing was really well done, all the way to the end, where it failed. It needed a big WOW finish and it didn't get one. Honestly, if you edit out the entire flash sideways part of this season, I would be completely happy with it.

I am LOST now...you think the Island was real? I think they all died in the plane crash, and where exactly in Limbo...Purgatory?
I never missed an episode, so thats how I am seeing it? It looked like to me Jack died in the spot he landed after the crash, and everything that happen was dream like Purgatory with everyone on the plane?

Explain.

The Flash sideways was some in between afterlife. Everything that happened on the island and before was real. If you listened to jacks father at the end he explains it to jack. Jack died on the island that day when kate, miles, sawyer, lapidus, richard and clair all got off the island on the plane, you see it as jack lies dying, flying over the bamboo trees.
Hurly is the islands new protector and Ben becomes his number 2. From there conversion they had together, they will find a way to send Desmond back home.

Jacks father at the end, explained that some of his friends died before him (Jin Sun, Sayid, Locke,Charlie, Boone, Shannon etc..) and others after him, meaning all those that escaped the island and eventually Hurly, since hes there in the flash sideways afterlife.
They forgot who they were in there past life,and were all brought to the point were they all connected in life, and that was on the Airplane before they crashed on the island. From there on, they lived out a dreamlike fantasy, where the plane never crashed. They lived lives they wished they had lived or come to want to live out or were still looking for answers for certain aspects of there life etc...
They were all connected in death, as they were in life. Thx in part to the Island.

Each one finally, in the end seeing the truth of who they were and letting this world go and moving on. Well, except for Ben who didnt want to let go and remained outside the church.


What id like to know is, Richard was never in the flash side ways afterlife nor was he in the church in the end. Does that mean he is still immortal and lives on in the real world?

I can understand wanting to believe the island was "real", out of some kind of Abrams-inflicted Stockholm Syndrome, but I don't see it.

I think the final shot of the plane wreckage on the beach, as it was in the first episode, invalidates the island-was-real theory. It seemed to me that we were supposed to understand that no one survived the crash.

Thats exactly how I saw it Sanchek, right down the spot Jack died in....

The ENTIRE point of the "flash sideways" (technically a flash WAY forward) was to bring these people, who had gone through so much together during their lives, BACK together so they could move on to their "afterlife" with each other. If they were already in limbo, why would they go into a second limbo to find people they'd only met after they died?

Back in season 1 or 2 the writers said the island was NOT purgatory, and they weren't lying.

Thats exactly what i got out of it Akom.

There is 12 to 15 mins of extra deleted footage of hurly and Ben as number one and number 2, gonna be added in on the DVD in Aug. Might show them sending Desmond home. As part of an epilogue.

Mr Eko was suppose to be in the Chruch, but the actor who played him wanted to much money for one scene.

Semantics. The island isn't purgatory; Jack made it all up in his head, and his "flash sideways" was purgatory. It's all contradictory bullshit from start to finish, and people are trying desperately to find some deep meaning in it that simply does not exist.

It's all contradictory bullshit from start to finish, and people are trying desperately to find some deep meaning in it that simply does not exist.


Out of curiosity, why are you so adamant in your attempts to make others see the show in your view, rather than having their own perception that allows them to be satisfied with the conclusion?

Putting people down for having a different view than yours is pretty much a tradition here by now, but over a television program? That is putting the control issues way too out front.

It was a weekly sixty minutes of entertainment for some; if not for you, walk away. Don't belittle others who found satisfaction.

Err? I don't really care what anyone else takes away, personally. If they're going to try to foist their faux-deep, Chinese-tattooed interpretations my way, of course I'm going to push back if I don't agree.

Its a true story!!!

I got the exact same thing Akom :)

I loved it and I'm a hard core lost fan... :)

My wife and I started watching back in the summer, and have seen all six seasons since then. The finale was frustrating...so many of the past plot lines are still fresh in my mind. I don't mind mystery, but I don't like points that are abandoned.

Allamar - since Richard was showing grey hairs, I would assume he died of old age on the island, maybe working under Hurley?

Thats what i was thinking at first, but he was never in the flash sideways stuff or the church. Of course Walt was in neither as well. They did have access to those two actors, unlike Mr Ekos actor, so they were left out on purpose. The only thing i can think of is there both still alive.

Richard got off the island in the plane, so he wouldnt have still been there with hurly, ben and desmond. There the only ones left on the island after jack dies, well except for Rose and Barnard.

A while ago the creators said there would be a lot of unanswered questions, but in the end the show was about the members of the Oceanic flight. Keeping that in mind made me understand what then ending was about (to me atleast)

Sanchek,

Just because I understand what the writers meant doesn't mean I liked the ending. I did like how they ended the island portion, but I felt the flash sideways deserved a better explanation. It really felt like they came up with that ending on the fly because they couldn't think of anything better. Disappointing.