Let's get a new thread going for tomorrow night's episode. That other one's getting pretty big.

I am ready!!!!! gonna go shopping tomorrow before it starts and have my snack bar ready for the show!!!

Man, it seems like forever since this show was last on.....
No, wait!

It HAS been forever!

I watched the sub titles show last night. I still don't why Jack told the other doctor to go check and see if his Dad is as drunk as he is...thought his dad was already dead by then? Throws me for a loop....I am LOST.

I think he was just so messed up he forgot his dad was dead (or there's some crazy twist yet to come, which it's hard to rule out).

I was getting somewhat psyched to watch this until I heard the ads on the radio; where on earth did they dig up these script-writers? The dialog would be almost impossible to put up with if it is all similar to the stuff in the ads:

"Every single living person on the island will be killed."

Umm, he couldn't have just said "Everyone on the island..."? Is there really a chance that some viewers might not have known that only the living would be killed? Really dreadful example of the writing skills.

I dearly hope it is better than this.

I thought some of the mysteries were going to be cleared up.... Over all I'm still really glad LOST is back :)

What did you guys think?

I like the switch to future flash-forwards now.

So Hurley can see Jacob and someone else who was in there....... Hurley is "special" :)

Yeah, well, being mentally unstable is special.
I guess that means we should question John's state of mind too, as well as Ben's?

Seemed to me that the person who flashed up in front of the window and met Hurley eye to eye was Locke.

Me too.

edit: Actually, maybe not: http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2008/02/hurley-jacob-christian-and-mystery-eye.html

That seems to clearly be Jack's dad in the chair, not Jacob. Pausing on the eye in the window, it doesn't look like Locke either. Looks like they have hair.

The facial expression looks a lot like Charlie.

Well I would have thought that too but then John started asking him what was up, If it were John he would know he is the one that just about gave Hurley the heart attack. I will go slo mo it and see :)

Edit: For some crazy reason I didn't record the actual show last night. THANK GOOODNESS I watched it or I would be highly pissed :)

Let's just assume it is Locke.

Also, has anyone seen the 8 min version of the first 3 seasons of lost? It is on the ABC web site and pretty well covers everything.

So Hurley can see Jack's dead dad and Charlie. Jack saw his dead dad before. And Locke sees the little boy (don't know his name) who supposedly left the island with his dad, but I suspect they're dead now.

And Ben says "kill all living people" or some such. Byl, I think that extra script to Ben's dialogue was on purpose.

Oh, and I vote the eye that spooked Hurley was Jacob.

Okay, I was talking with a co-worker who had an interesting spin on the whole "island" thing....

She thinks that Oceanic 615 (or what ever the number is) is in on the whole magical island. She thinks they covered up the Plane crash and "knew" they were on the island.

She also brought up the "Oceanic 6" that Hurley was raving about. So we know that 6 of them leave the island. Also, Hurley told Jack that he made a mistake by siding with Locke. We also know that Hurley left the island..... So something happens :)

discuss.

Lost tonight in case you forgot!

Odd episode ladt night.
Of course, that's not saying a lot when talking about LOST.
So it looks like the Asian guy has some experience with trapped spirits, and what not.
And the kid's name is Walt, Akipt.

Bleh... ghosts. I was hoping they would avoid the paranormal. I think I'll only be satisfied with the ending of Lost if everything is fully explainable. Its looking more an more like they're venturing toward "the un-explained" = \

The writers discounted the theory in an interview during the first season, but it still seems like the whole thing fits purgatory pretty well.

Naa... they made it a point in this last episode to show that the pilot in the wrecked plane was not actually the guy flying 815. That plane is obviously a plant, and the people who crashed on the island are actually alive. Who would have planted the plane though? Oceanic? Who does that black guy work for? He said he was a lawer for Oceanic but that could have just been to get close to Hurley.

The series ending episode final scene will have Stephen King sitting at the keyboard, with a stack of pages on the table next to him.

Scene opens:

King: "Christ, I just don't know where I can go anymore with this."

Takes a long pull from the bottle of beer sitting next to the pages. Setting down the bottle, he picks up the pages and riffles through them, before placing them back on the table.

He crosses the room to the window, and appears to be lost in thought for a moment. Returning to the work center, he grabs the pages and tosses them in the waste basket.

King: "Screw this. Maybe I can do something with 'The Return of Carrie'."

End scene.



Hey, it could happen.....:p

Well the new people want to kill Benjamin Linus.... so they can't be all bad :)

I also find it funny that Ben has a plant on their boat .... Hmmmm

Who said anything about killing?

you dont passionately ask someone where a person is, like that if you want to hug them.

If the mission was to kill him, the chick could have at any time. They definitely aren't there to kill him.

I wonder if mr Vacuum cleaner-talk-to-the-dead man will be able to talk to Jacob? That chick probably didn't want to kill Benjamin until she could do it with being killed herself.

We shall see, but I know they said her mission was to get the other four on to the island without being killed.

I thought maybe they were part of the original Dharma group trying to re establish back on the island. Knowing Ben killed the others then blocked them from getting back on the island.

Byl, that would be a hilarious ending to the whole series, LOL.

You know, it seems to me that certain people have a hard time dying on the island....
That lady that got stabbed by Locke, led them on a merry chase (Doubled back on her trail?) a few miles into the jungle before ultimately dying.

Locke being shot by Ben is another example. Is there something to being tied to the fate of the island that allows almost superhuman recovering abilities?

Or is it just "fate", aka Locke not having a kidney, and the bulled passing harmlessly right through the area?

God, this show really makes you run around in circles....

OMGWTFSPLOSION!

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BEN IS OFF THE ISLAND?!?!? Sayid works for him??? What the hell???

Yeah seriously. My roommate just started getting into this show this season and I'm trying to explain to him what a different direction it has taken. It has gone from focusing on all the crazy shit happening on the island (monsters? ghosts? science stations?) to showing us crazy shit in the future that makes you wonder what the hell happened on the island. I like it...they are keeping me entertained at least.

I keep forgetting that everything is a flash forward now. So when it first showed Sayid out golfing, I thought it was in the past heh.

So far of the "Ocianic 6" we have:

Jack
Kate
Hugo
Sayid

Only 2 spots left!

But... I suppose that doesn't mean that only 6 are left alive. Just that only 6 are off the island. Then again, Ben is off the island and I'm sure he's not one of the 6.

Here's what I'm wondering... who is Sayid working to protect? His friends off the island... or his friends on this island?

I predicted it would be Benjamin in the coffin..... I was wrong unless he dies later. I think the future we are seeing is before the "bearded Jack" future.....

I thought there was only one of the Oceanic 6 left unaccounted for...who did we miss?

I noticed the grey in Sayid's beard, so I knew it was a future flash....I just wasn't expecting that lady to be an agent.

Wow, this show just continues to get better, and better!

We were supposed to get the last person who got off the island this week...but we didn't unless I missed it ....

Aaron the blonde chic and " You are everybody ! "

Guess The Dr is going to be in for a suprise I douhbt he knows what he thinks is Sawyers kid isn't.

OH MY GOD... that caught me SO off guard.

I think there's more to this than simple flash-forwards. That Aaron may actually be Kate's baby.

I doubt it. I don't think we're looking THAT far in the future. Jack hasn't even started growing his beard yet. Its almost even a stretch for this Aaron to be Claire's baby and for him to be as old as he is.

we have no idea what time frame after they are rescued. To me Aaron has to be claires, because they made us all think it was sawyers kid and boom....

The IMPORTANT question is Aaron part of the 6. And anyone catch jack said 8 people survived the crash.

I don't mean that it's necessarily far in the future. They made a point to show us that Kate on the island is basically baby-phobic and Kate in the "future" is maternal.

They also made a point previously to show the airplane crashed out in the water, instead of what we saw in season one. Then, Jack in the "future" talks about how they crashed in the water and Kate helped him get to land.

Something changes, maybe Desmond has something to do with that?

The island.

Jack was lying about her helping to make her look good. They weren't in the water.

What's going on with the underwater plane wreckage then? I think there's more to it than just the soap opera stuff on the surface.

They staged a fake plane crash site. There is more to it I believe but Oceanic is definately involved in this somehow.

I believe they knew about the plane crash and as long as everything was status quo no one would know they were alive. The island is a secret :)

Remember how when Daniel saw the news, he freaked out but didn't know why? A lot like Desmond's issues when he was in the past, but had already been there.

I have a feeling we're definitely looking at different time lines. Or, different versions of the time lines.

(Of course, I could be massively wrong)

what was with the cards that the two new people were doing and he got 2 out of 3?

physics, psionics....interesting vocational needs for the away team.

Did I miss anyone mentioning the time lapse (~31 minutes?) in the rocket arriving from the ship to the island? That seems like a big deal.

The ship crew also seems really... whats the word, uncaring ... even when talking to their own crew. "so what if you've been calling for 2 days? ..."

Has it been said that Lost does not take place in the Bermuda Triangle? Or is that an option

Yeah the time lapse was 31 minutes for a rocket.... for a helicopter it probably was like 6 hour IMO.

Also, I was reading in Wiki, that the 'button' Desmond was pressing was some sort of safety release valve for some kind of electro magnetic energy that the Dharma project had accidently tapped into while digging. When they stopped pressing the button a failsafe was activated and sealed the thing permanently. And I believe this is why the island is now visible to the world somehow.

Has it been said that Lost does not take place in the Bermuda Triangle? Or is that an option
Wrong ocean.

What an episode! So glad Desmond reached Penny. Was actually a satisfying event for me of all episodes.

I'm feeling pretty good about my prediction!

One of the best episodes of the season for me

/agree.

The time displacement was a brilliant touch. I'm not sure I've ever seen something like that before....

Although, wouldn't Daniel Faraday act as an anchor for the rat in both time streams?

Only if Daniel really meant something to the rat.......

This was a great episode. It didn't leave more questions like every other one.

For the record, I always want Sayid on my side.... no matter what.

There's no telling when in the future the rat went. No guarantee Daniel was there then.

I'm feeling pretty good about my prediction!
purgatory?

Remember how when Daniel saw the news, he freaked out but didn't know why? A lot like Desmond's issues when he was in the past, but had already been there.

I have a feeling we're definitely looking at different time lines. Or, different versions of the time lines.
Time issues.

Ah yeah

I watched it yesterday. I actually got a little teary eyed when Desmond made contact with Penny. It was a great episode... but it was also one of those that introduced a problem and resolved it within the same episode (Desmond's bouncing back in time, then cured at the end). It kindof answered some questions by raising new ones. Such is the way of Lost I suppose.

I bet I know who Ben's man on the boat is.

Michael

Who?

Highlight the area after "spoiler:"

Highlight the area after "spoiler:"

*GASP!!!!***!!*!

Yep.

Man, that would make a whole lot of sense.....

Am I the only one wishing someone would put a bullet in Ben? He really, really gets on my nerves....

even if someone does put a bullet in him it wont matter we already saw him in a flash forward which means.../sigh

Ben's my favorite.

I was a bit worried when he went all Joni loves Chachi, but he redeemed himself with the whole "You're mine, bitch".

After seeing last week's LOST replay, Bise said it best though: in a pinch, I want Sayid on my team....

Do you recall who was giving Sayid orders in the future? That's right!

Bah, I still can't stand the man. I hope Hurly sits on him at least once....

Sayid could turn on Ben at some point..... My new 'bad guy' to hate is Penelope's father.... I knew he was involved when I saw the Black Rock journal being bid on by him.

Check out this theory: http://timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

wow.... that is all I can say.

*GASP!!!!***!!*!
/flex

/flex

OMG THAT EPISODE!!

WHAT?!?! They tease the whole time that Jin is one of the six and then they KILL HIM?!!? Why do they kill my favorite characters? WHY?

Maybe he's still one of the six and died after they got back. He did have a grave (which doesn't prove anything), suggesting he might have made it off the island.

I'm pretty sure Jin is dead. They went to *visit* him. Also the obvious flash forward was for Sun and Jin was a flash backwards to confuse us. I liked Jin too. Seems someone was right about Micheal though. After reading that theory of the island it makes total sense what is happening. That dude is good. I also like the explanation of Desmond's apparent ESP or future telling. He actually lived it multiple times and that is why he knows what will happen.

Anyway, I was hating Juliet for a while there :)

The guess that Michael was probably Ben's "man on the boat" wasn't really a hard one if you consider that its been known from the beginning of the season that the Michael character was going to be in season 4. That said, I didn't guess it.. one of my buddies text'd me right after the episode aired when Ben said he had a man on their boat with the guess and ruined the fun (as he always does) ; p

Was tonights episode just a repeat ? So no more new shows for awhile ?

Was tonights episode just a repeat ? So no more new shows for awhile ?

Comes back late April I believe.

Yeah... after last weeks episode there was a "Catch a new episode of Lost April 24th at its new time 10 / 9 central" announcement. Easily missed.

I always thought Ben was the man before, but damn.

Holy crap! Man did it take a huge twist tonight or what!!!

Oh, you speak English now?

What was that little device in Bens hand?

Also, it seems to be shaping up to some sort of "game" or battle between Ben and Whidmore. I wonder how Desmond is going to feel after Saiyd kills Penelope....

I wonder why Ben "can't" kill Whidmore.... Are they some sort of arch angels battleing it out or something?

I guess Ben could have whipped anyone's ass on that island at any point but he just chose not too.....

It was just a telescoping baton.

I think there's more to the reason he can't kill Whidmore than it being a game. I also don't believe he took a boat off the island, like he told Sayid.

I don't think Sayid will end up killing Penny.

When Ben ran into his room, I kindof had the feeling he was going to try to summon the smoke monster. Still, it gave me chills seeing it and knowing it was under Ben's control.

Clearly Ben was holding back his power / the power of the island until "the rules changed". Can't wait to see what happens now.

You know what is strange? I find myself rooting for Ben more and more as the show goes on, but something still tells me he's got a dark side. Like when Whitmoore said that everything he had he'd taken from him. When you look at it that way, Whitmoore tracking down and bringing to justice someone who stole from him, it kindof changes who the bad guy is a bit. Of course.. Whitmoores means of bringing Ben to justice show him to be evil... arg.. who knows.

Something else occurred to me... if ole smokey is under Ben's control, that means that Ben must have had it kill Echo. But why?

Eko, not Echo.

I think the smoke monster is more autonomous. It seems to reflect peoples' good/evil. Hence Locke, who is basically good, was spared in season 1.

Eko had turned good, but had a lot of bad baggage to answer for.

I also don't believe he took a boat off the island, like he told Sayid.



I do not think he did either. Remember the redhead Archeologist or whatever when she was at some dig site in the desert related to the island. maybe the island or something has some kind of transportation between sites??? I know it sounds far fetched but who knows with what we have seen.

I didn't believe for a moment that Ben took a boat off the island. But that makes me wonder how the Oceanic 6 actually did get off the island.... they still don't know the power of the island or the extent of the "battle" between Ben and Whidmore....

Also, did you notice that at least one of the soldiers on the island got away? I wonder if Ben's control over the smoke monster was limited to just turning off the sonic fence?

Man, that episode was badass! It was well worth the wait. I cant believe Ben turned into Jason Bourne!

Im with you Akom, I'm really starting to get on Ben's nuts. This episode made me like him a lot more. You really got to see just how much of an "actor" the character is and how manipulative he can be - along with the fact that he can just beat some serious ass, lol.

I really want to know more about this "battle" between Whidmore and Ben. Why they can't kill each other, and how Ben "stole" the island from Whidmore. What is this "game" they are playing against each other?

Man this was a good episode :spade

Which leads me to another question.... I believe that Ben was the man in the coffin.... so if Ben is dead, who is battling Whidmore now????? Jack and Locke???? Locke???? hmmm....

Something else..... when Ben popped into the desert he was wearing a cold weather jacket.... either he was someplace very cold when he left OR he didn't know the temp of the place he was going..........

Something else..... when Ben popped into the desert he was wearing a cold weather jacket.... either he was someplace very cold when he left OR he didn't know the temp of the place he was going..........

yeah wtf is up with that? He also asked specifically what year it was, so you know he "jumped" into another time...

But was that one continuous time frame from the time he appeared there, and then traveled to Iraq to meet up and manipulate Sayid? Because if so, and the dialogue between Sayid and Ben confirmed this unless I completely misunderstood it, then this occurs after Sayid has gotten off of the island, which would mean that Ben would have to come FROM the island to meet him. So why the fuck does he have a freakin Dharma Parka on when he arrives in the desert? Where did he come from that he needed a snow suit ffs?

Man now I cant wait for next week :spade

It might be that, in the course of killing all Whidmore's people involved, he went to that arctic station we saw at the end of season 2. Could've been his previous stop on the Ben-train-of-doom, explaining the coat.

That's just my own wild speculation though. Nothing to back it up.

It might be that, in the course of killing all Whidmore's people involved, he went to that arctic station we saw at the end of season 2. Could've been his previous stop on the Ben-train-of-doom, explaining the coat.

That's just my own wild speculation though. Nothing to back it up.


Oh I don't doubt that but if he is jumping around as we now suspect, the Oceanic 6 got off the island in a more conventional way and don't know about Ben's little time jumping secret.

I also noted that Whidmore asked if Ben was there to kill him, implying that it is a physical option. Ben replies "you know I can't do that" but not that it is an impossibility but more of "I can't do that because it isn't in my plan".

To hear Whidmore say that the island was always his may mean that there is a supernatural facet to this tale....? I ultimately see Ben as the good guy. That dude is a fabulous actor.....

My guess is that there's a metaphysical angle to the whole thing. With all the Eastern religion references and just the general themes of the show, they seem to be headed that way.

That would explain him not being able to "kill" Whidmore.

And yeah, Ben is one of the best acted characters on the show, if not the best.

Lets just say Im waiting for next week's episode...

Although the flash-fowards to Jack and Kate were informative; I really didn't get a lot from this one. It left a lot to be desired imho :(

This one was a let down. There were some interesting things but an episode without Ben or Locke is a boring episode. Also, the smoke monster didn't kill any of the mercenarys?????? what a let down!!!

Well, we don't know how many of them there were before smokey came. Some may be dead.

I am pretty sure there were only 4. I think that is how many I counted on the boat when they were target shooting, but I could be wrong.

Whidmore and Ben=Lucifer and Damien?????

I don't think the show is going in that direction.... the whole Heaven/hell angle just doesn't seem right.... I frequent the www.timelooptheory.com site and they have some really great ideas. I have never seen a more complete and thought out theory posted by those members.

However, that being said, Hurley did just say that "we're all dead" in the last episode.

Also, Jacks father may play a very large role in the up coming seasons...

Also, what about the previews for this week???? Horace Goodspeed says flat out that he has been dead for 12 years!!!

It just keeps seeming so much like the island is something like purgatory. It has seemed that way for just about the entire four seasons now.

I know that the writers flatly denied that being the case in Season 1, but I wonder if they were just trying to keep us from figuring it out too soon and losing interest in the show.

Their lives are very intertwined.... more like fate or destiny to me.

I'm pretty sure its not purgatory. There's been a lot of stuff that has pointed away from the survivors actually being dead. Like the "evidence" the big other guy (forgot his name, but apparently he's gay) showed Michael to prove that Whidmoore <sp?> planted the plane.

Something of note from last week's episode is that Jack confirms that the rest of the survivors aren't (necessarily) dead. He said that Sawyer chose to stay on the island which to me means that he was alive and able to make that decision when the "Oceanic 6" were rescued.

They call him Mr Friendly :)

Holy Moly! I wonder if the black guy is Jacob.... I also suspect Claire is dead :(


This show is really good!

This was a great posting on John Locke, from the timelooptheory.com site.....
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LOCKE
Here is an interesting theory I thought was worth kicking around. Now, I can't explain why this has come to pass (how did Jacob originate, etc).....but nonetheless, worthy of perusal.

Here goes;
This is a theory on Locke, and how Jacob has been influencing him since season 1. John Locke, more than anyone has had some strange encounters on our favorite island. Many of which we wouldn't realize what really was going on. Lets go over what we know about the Island/Jacob and the smoke monster.

* Jacob can communicate with people through their dreams.
* Jacob can talk through other people, both while they are conscious and unconscious.
* Jacob can take the form of dead people
* Jacob can see events in the future
* Jacob can cure diseases, and cure Locke's paralysis
* Smokey - in some way - is connected to Jacob. We know this because in 4x09 "The Shape of Things to Come", Locke asks Ben what the smoke monster is. Ben replies "You can ask Jacob all about it when we get there."

Alright, so back to my Locke. When the plane first crashed, we know that Jacob was instantly on the scene. We know this from "Missing Pieces 9", the short canon clip that shows Christian Shepard talking to Vincent, "Go wake up Jack, he has work to do". Jack isn't the only one who has work to do. Jacob has a plan for Locke too. In fact Jacob NEEDS Locke, he needs help. He knows that John Locke is the only one who can help him. So what does he do? He gives John his dignity back. He gives him the ability to walk.

Jacob then retreats and lets John settle into his new home. Let's him get to grips with his new found life. For a while anyway. 11 Days pass until Jacob visits John again. On day 11, while Locke is out hunting, he bumps into our good friend Smokey. Smokey approaches Locke, the exact same way it approached Mr. Eko in Season 2. We can assume then that Smokey scanned Locke's memory just like it did to Mr. Eko. In some way, Jacob and Smokey must be linked. Because the memories that it scanned from Locke's head, will be used later on by Jacob in influencing Locke's actions.

So the monster retreats with its new found information and leaves John be for a while. Locke now feels connected to the Island. "I've looked into the eye of this Island Jack. And what I saw was beautiful..". He can predict the weather with astonishing accuracy, on an island that the Dharma Initiative were experimenting with the weather. He catches bore, helps everyone out that needs it. Then on day 16, he finds a hatch. Locke believes that finding the hatch was his destiny, and so do a lot of viewers. But I disagree. Jacob did NOT want Locke to waste his time on the hatch. Boone and Locke, keep the hatch a secret from everyone. He wastes a lot of time excavating it, and trying to break in. So Jacob makes his first attempt to steer Locke on the correct path.

While Locke is fast asleep, Jacob gets into his head, and talks to him via Boone. Boone in this scene IS Jacob. Here's the dialogue.
Locke and Boone stand beside the excavated Hatch.
Boone: We're supposed to find this. We're supposed to open this right? Then tell me something John. If we're supposed to open it, why the hell haven't we opened it yet!
Locke: The Island will send us a sign.
Boone: (Mocking him) The Island will send us a sign...
Locke:All that's happening now is our faith is being tested! Our commitment. But we will open it! The Island will show us how!
Boone:What kinda sign will the Island send us John?

Mr. Eko's drug plane then flies in overhead, towards a cliff in the background. Then we see Locke's mother Emily, pointing towards the plane. Jacob took Emily from John's memory when he was scanned by Smokey. Then we see an image of Boone covered in blood, just as he was after the plane falls. Jacob is showing John that he needs to go to this area, NOT to the plane. So Locke and Boone take off the next day, towards where Locke seen the plane in his dream. Sure enough, there it is! But Locke gets the wrong idea. He thinks they were supposed to get up to the plane, and what's inside will help them open the Hatch. This pisses Jacob off, so Jacob does the only thing he can do to make sure that Locke does not climb up to that plane. He takes back his ability to walk. Locke ends up on the floor once again thus forcing Boone to climb the cliff and inevitably, falling to his death. So what was Locke supposed to find at that plane?

Jacob wanted Locke to find the Pearl Station. If Locke had found the Pearl station back in season 1, he would have made it to Jacob a lot quicker. He would have been able to see Patchy in the Flame,which would have led him to Ben, then to Jacob. But Locke misinterpreted the dream and he ended up beating his hand bloody on that hatch door. A few days pass and Jacob tries Locke again. This time its through Walt.
Locke puts his hand on Walt's wrist. Walt looks at Locke's hand and pulls away. "Don't open it!" he shouts. Locke asks what he's talking about. Walt says, "Don't open it, Mr. Locke. Don't open that thing!"

This is Jacob trying to steer Locke away from the hatch.
Locke ignores the warning, and is still determined to get down there. So him and Jack go get the dynamite planning on blowing it open. Due to the extreme circumstances, Jacob is forced into something he wouldn't normally do. He uses Smokey to grab Locke and tries to pull him into one of the many Cerberus vents located around the Island. He was probably planning on having Locke delivered straight to him. But Jack foils the mater plan. He throws the dynamite into the vent, which causes smokey to retreat and leaves Locke all alone.


So John gets into the hatch, and ends up pushing the button. What use is a button pusher to Jacob? Being confined to the hatch every day. In comes Mr. Eko. Jacob has big plans for Eko. In fact, Jacob has already influenced Eko into carving a certain inscription on his stick. "Lift up your eyes and look north" - John 3:16. If you watch season 2 again, you'll notice that after John and Eko first meet, there are MANY times when Mr. Eko's stick is right there in front of Locke. At one point he actually picks it up and reads it, Unfortunately he doesn't catch on. So season 2 carries on, Locke is stuck in the hatch and nothing is getting him out. Until that is, he sees the map on the blast door. Jacob uses this to his advantage. By this point, Mr. Eko has been scanned by the monster. So Jacob uses Yemi, through Eko's dreams and Locke's dreams to get them to the Pearl Station. This is where Locke finally starts to lose his faith in the hatch. He starts to believe that its all just an experiment which then leads him to destroy the computer, and the hatch is finally gone forever. Locke is once again free.


What's the first thing that happens to Locke after the hatch implodes? He wakes up in the jungle, opens his eyes and what comes flying out the air straight for him? Mr. Eko's stick. Coincidence? Jacob wasted no time at all in getting John on the right path. Jacob took Locke's ability to speak so that John would know he needed to speak to the island. So John builds a sweat lodge, and eats some of his home made LSD. The same stuff he applies to Boone's head in season 1. This gives Jacob another chance to talk to John in person. After a slightly disturbing trip round the airport, Locke makes it up the escalator to a pool of blood. Yet again, Eko's stick is the first thing he touches and Jacob tells John he needs to clean up his own mess. Locke comes out of the tent, and Jacob has given him back his voice.

For some reason, the island still has work for Eko. So Jacob sends Locke off to the polar bear cave, and he pulls through it. He rescues Eko and takes him to safety. Jacob then steps in again as Locke is talking to an unconscious Eko.
"I'm sorry," Locke says. "I'm sorry I ever doubted you. I'm sorry I gave up my faith in the island. I'm mixed up. Now our people are captured. If I'd just listened to you. If I'd just let you keep pushing the button I could have protected them, I could have saved them.Eko opens his eyes and says, "You can still protect them. You can still save them."
"I don't even know where they are."
"You can find them. After all, you are a hunter, John."
Charlie walks back and asks if Locke said something. Locke says, "He's awake," but looks back and Eko's eyes are closed. When Eko gets back to the beach, Yemi leads him back to the Pearl. Locke follows and sees Patchy in the flame. He returns to find Eko dead, killed by Jacob/Smokey because he did not confess to the sins he committed. While battering Mr Eko's stick into his grave, finally John sees the message that was written there for him weeks ago.


John follows the compass bearing, North 3:05. This leads him to the flame where he can finally talk to Patchy who lets him in on some of the secrets of the Dharma Initiative. Finally Locke's on the right path for once. Sayid cleverly finds the map of the Barracks that leads them to Ben. Ben agrees to take Locke to Jacob, but warns him that he's going to be very unhappy. "Jacob is not a man you go and see. Jacob is a man who summons you". Jacob has been summoning John since the very beginning!


In the cabin scene, it's quite obvious that Ben wasn't talking to Jacob at all. In fact I think Ben had lost contact with Jacob a long time ago. This is why he was so interested in what Jacob said to John.
Jacob:Help me...
John:What did you just say?
Ben:I didn't say anything.
Locke:Yes you did. You said hel..
Cabin starts to shake rapidly as Locke turns his flashlight on.
So what does Jacob need help with? I'm guessing that Ben has been holding Jacob prisoner via the "magic circle" of ash that engulfs his cabin. But there's also another thing Jacob needs help with. The island is coming under attack from the freighter, and Jacob needs John to kill Naomi so that the freighter never gets a lock on the islands location.


Walt: Don't John. Put the gun down
Locke: Walt?
Walt: Now get up John
Locke:He shot me and I can't move my legs
Walt: You can move your legs. Now get out of the ditch John.
Locke: Why!?
Walt: Because. You have work to do.

This conversation carries on but unfortunately we don't get to see what else is said. All we know is that Walt tells Locke to kill Naomi, and not to let anyone use that satellite phone.


Unfortunately, John couldn't go through with killing Jack. If he had killed him, and destroyed the phone John would have saved the Island. I'm pretty sure Jacob would have guided John further after this. But throughout season 4, we have not seen 1 instance of Jacob trying to reach John. For some reason Jacob turns his attention to Hurley, summoning him to his cabin and then swinging the door open as if to say. "Come on in".


In tonight's episode, Cabin Fever, Ben pretty much tells Locke that he has been chosen by Jacob to replace him (Ben). This points to the above theory.....now, what is meant by "moving the island"?

Comments?

Comments?


OH MY GOD?

good enough?

I think we are going to get a look at the Orchid station tomorrow night :)

After this season isn't there only one season left?

Also, has anyone read the Mirrior Theory on the show yet? I will dig it up and post it ..... it is my second favorite theory.... Dharma Initiative "dhark matter initiative"........

Okay i found it :)

http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/

Season finale.

Bleh.

I missed it, and my TIVO didn't record. I am sadd0rz. :(

Oh I liked the season finale.... lots of new questions.... I believe that the Polar bears are explained now though :)

I liked that they tied up a lot of loose ends, but I'm not sure how I feel about the direction they're heading now.

The finale was just "meh" to me. I really thought it was going to blow me away, but man was I wrong.

Still a good show, but for a 2 hour finale there wasn't a whole lot of substance in there for me. The only "moving" part was where Sun may or may not have witnessed Jins death.

I do however wonder wtf happens to locke now.... and I guess I do wonder what happens to the island now after they "moved" it lol.