I just wanted to open up the thread... I won't post anything until tomorrow so as not to spoil anything for over seas people


But man they sure did cover a lot of ground tonight!

Indeed! LOST never fails to deliver.

Man I do love Lost.


I'm glad to see they're running with the time travel thing. I mean, that the people who never age etc doesn't just get explained away as "a mystery of the island".

I love how they present the "oh what the hell do they do now" situations on a regular basis. This week it was definitly Hurley handing himself in and verbally confessing to killing 3 people.

Was it just me, or was there a lot more dark humor in this episode than in previous ones. One that stood out to me is "I WANT FIRE" *enter flaming arrow* Maybe I'm evil... but I laughed heh. There was something else, too, but I don't remember it at the moment.

I love how in each season following the story gets that much more complicated. In S1 / S2 it was the Island and flash backs. Then came the flash forwards, so you never knew if you were seeing something in the past or in the future. Then flash backs, forwards, on the island and off the island. Now the survivors are traveling through time so you never know when exactly they are. Should be fun heh.

The lady that Ben goes to see... she was the one that sold Desmond the ring back when he first made it home. In that same episode you see a picture of her on the monk's desk (briefly.. the camera pans over the desk and you can make out who it is). Desmond was in England when he purchased the ring, I believe. And thats where he needs to go to find Faraday's mother, who apparently knows something about space-time. Clearly the lady that Ben goes to see knows a great deal about space-time. I'm willing to wager that that lady is Faraday's mother. The only thing is, Ben was in LA earlier in the episode. Is he now in England or is the lady in LA too? There's no reason she couldn't be in LA and still be back in England in time to meet with Desmond. He is on a boat, after all. Plus, you never really know when all of the events you see took place.

I think Desmond on the boat was right after the rescue, but the "current" stuff in L.A. was 3 years later. So, Desmond has probably already been to see her at the point where we saw her and Ben together at the end.

Didn't Penny say something to the nature of "its been 3 years..." to him though?

Hmm, maybe so. I thought it had a "3 years ago" caption when he was on the boat, or a "3 years later" when they switched to LA.

I thought the lady was in LA but I could have been wrong. I also think she is Faraday's mother...

I love the way Sawyer bitch slapped Daniel and told Charlotte she was next if she didn't keep quite .. :)

I cracked up at that too, Your next Ginger.

Careful, or Taleren will come in here and hijack this thread, too.

She has to be Farady's mom. Also, I made the correct call on who called Kate from the "Unknown" number. Sun wants Ben dead, and that makes her all right in my book.

Also, Sayid has turned into quite the killing machine. It looked like he was gonna pop Jack's head off when he woke up on that gurney and started choking him. His bodycount on this episode went up by 3.

I do not believe Sun wants to kill Ben. I am waiting for the big double cross on Whidmore.....

I think Ben is working with Sun.

I think Sun understands or found out about the time travel aspect and will work with anyone who can get her back to before Jin died. I bet we see her try to directly or indirectly save him, only to fail due to the "rule" that Faraday laid out.

Unless it's Desmond that iniates the save. Poor guy has a lot of work to do, LOL.

"Your name is Whidmore? Charles Widmore?" "Nice to meet you."



Oh man, I love this show.

Last nights epidode owned.

Wow, and I thought Star Trek had cornered the market on Temporal Paradoxes...

Funny how Widmore ages and Richard doesn't :)

I think the implication was that Richard is "old" (really old), as Juliet said. I still think that he arrived on the pirate ship that is in the middle of the island (I forgot what it's name is). Whidmore obviously left the island, so even if he was among the crew of the pirate ship, he is no longer preserved by its powers.

It would be interesting if Whidmore is extremely old too. It would explain how he has been so successful; having hundreds of years of knowledge and experience.

I bet Lock is, in some way, the cause of Whidmore leaving the island.

I'm thinking Richard ends up banishing him.... or jacob tells Richard to make Whidmore turn the donkey wheel.

Did you catch that the girl holding the gun on Faraday name was Elle? Mrs. Hawkins (supposoedly) faradays mother name was elloise (or elizabeth) which would be freaky to see your mom when you are about as old as her :)

The name of the ship was Black Rock.

Interesting if he is one of the pirates that shipwrecked on the island hundreds of years ago...

When do the Ninjas show up? :D

Ben is a ninja....didn't you see him with the collapasble baton?

I just got around to watching this week's episode...

So, I wonder if the bomb is related to the power source that's buried in cement in the original hatch?

I'm not sure but I guess after we see where they bury it we will know.... I would have to guess the bomb is related to the event referred to as "the Incident".

I thought that was when Ben gassed everyone, for some reason.

That was the Purge.... different event :)

Yea, the "incident" can't be the gas, because how would the Dharma scientist guy ( the Asian with at least 3 different names who sometimes is missing an arm ) make a video after the incident if it was the gas.

Best new theory I've seen was about Sawyer. Remember he is running around with no shoes after jumping out of the helicopter and he stepped on something nasty last week. The theory is they transport to the distant past and Julia has to amputate his toe because of infection. Sawyer saves the natives or impresses them with some piece of modern technology and they erect a statue in his honor--with only 4 toes.

LOL that is classic!

Lol... that'd be great.

All Hail SAWYER!

A theory a friend of mine had is that the "Ghost Whisperer" guy is actually the son of that lead scientist guy (the Asian ones in all the videos). He was born on the island and he was "special" in that his mind was linked with the time phasing aspect of it in some way. Thus his mind is able to be in multiple times at once. Extreme events are easier to pick up, like deaths, so he assumes he can just see the events surrounding death.

After the comment about exposure time, that theory definitely seems plausible.

I cheered when the guy in the water was Jin. Totally didn't see that coming. Neighbor's probably think I was watching the Superbowl late.

I knew Jin was still alive, but I thought that Desmond was the one that was gonna save him....

Imagine my suprise when Dannielle introduced herself to Jin!

Miles is most probably Pierre CHangs son who has spent a lot of time on the island.... I wonder who Charlotte is though?

I guess Juliette is next with the nose bleeds.!!!

She started last night, didn't she?

Yeah. Sawyer said "Juliette..." and touched his nose and she checked and her's was bleeding.

Its ok Bise... it was easy to miss.. if you were dead. ; p

Charlotte is Ben's childhood sweetheart, she was born on the island. At least that's my theory.

There's one thing that bugged me about Jin...

The 6 where flying back to the island from the boat when the island disappeared. They were closer to the island than Jin, but they were not taken and Jin was.

I thought about it a bit and there is a possible explination. The "bubble" around the island is more a canopy, like a tent with a single pole in the middle, with its high point above the island. This would mean that out in the water there would be some point where the tent covers just above the surface of the water. It is possible that Jin was in this area and the helicopter was above it, even though they were closer to the island.

Alternatly, it is a round bubble shape, but the island is at the very tip of the bubble, not the center... this would create a similar situation.

It is simple.... the island has plans for Jin so he didn't/couldn't die until it was time (see Micheal's situation).

Jin was definately in the bubble.

The bubble starts where the time distortion field is. IE once inside it you are good to go.

Last nights epi was great. I like Jin and the Rousseau back story..... I thought Danielle was the crazy one! They also confirm that the Smoke Monster is a security system for the temple..... veryimportant info imo.

I'm not sure if you can trust a crazy guy that's about to shoot his baby's mother.

Oh man... the look on Ben's face when Desmond said "Faraday's mother".

Ben, the master manipulator.... even when he had a gun to his neck, he didn't show Sun the ring until he had her at the Church :)

Would someone PLEASE shoot that man? He weasels his way out of every situation designed to snuff him out.

I am so anxiously awaiting next weeks explanation as to "how they first found the island".

Finally some answers! :D

This show is goddamn amazing... So is there going to be a flash that sends Faraday back to the past, where he will warn her as a child never to return??????????????

We've already seen Faraday in a blue jumpsuit and hard hat working for the Dharma Initiative.

This show always surprises me. I really expected them to draw out the 6 returning to the island at the very least till the end of the season.

"We're not going to Guam are we?"

That Poor Pilot... Although I do wonder what happened to the plane too. Perhaps they just disappeared off the plane, like Jin disappearing in front of Danielle during the flash?

And good-hearted Hurly, buying up all the extra seats. I'm sure he thought the plane was gonna crash too.

Who wants to bet that Ben was the one to actually kill Locke, and it wasn't a suicide?

Looked like we'll see Ben convince Locke to hang himself next week. Maybe he "helps" him more than necessary.

Four toe'd statue = Locke's cast? .... kind of only shows only 4 toes :) Nah!


Well they are back on the island and Jin is there.... Ms Hawking never acknowledged she was Faraday's mother, AND who whipped Ben's ass again?

Think Penny is dead now?

edit: funny how no one asked Ben what happened to him LOL he looks like he has been through a meat grinder and no one really cares :)

I think Sayid probably worked him over...although he seemed as suprised as Hurley when Ben stepped onto the plane....

I think Ben either had a run in with Whidmoore's <sp?> men or Desmond. Ben probably knew that Penny would be with Desmond and when he saw him at the curch, he knew she would be near and that has his chance to exact revenge. He went to kill her, but either Whidmoore had body guards covering her or Desmond fought him to prevent it.

Thats my theory anyway. The thing with Ben is... whenever you almost start kinda liking him, they show you something that makes you hate him again.

Was anyone else totally in WTF mode when Kate showed up at Jack's place and told him never to ask about Aaron??

Well I wasn't expecting Ben to do what he did last night at all.... wow.

Also, I thought the whole Locke-centric episode would be more meaty than it was.... but a good locke epi none the less.

They are really tieing up loose ends this year!

Did anyone else see Ben flip the switch in his brain when he heard the name of Eloise Hawkings?

I CALLED IT!!! I CALLED IT!!!

I knew Ben had something to do with John's 'suicide'. Now that they are on the island, and John is alive again, I wonder how he will get back at Ben?

When Ben was cutting John down, there was an eeri feeling about the whole thing. I had the feeling something was going to happen. And yeah, Sixee was right ; p

MAN... I can't wait to see what finally changed Kate's mind and what happened to Aaron. Thats one of the biggest burning questions in my mind heh.

Saw this show for the first time last night and it was fucking awful. I won't be watching it again.

NP for contributing to the discussion.

Lol @ coming in in the middle of Lost.

You cant just jump head first, toward the last half of a show like lost. It would most certainly be confusing and awful from that point of view.
Lost has to be seen from beginning to end to understand it, its like one big crazy jigsaw puzzle.
Its the same type of format as BSG is. One big overarching story the unfolds over every episode. You wont find many stand alone episodes in either show.

did you guys notice how many times they showed Locke's foot (with only four toes exsposed through his cast on hit lower leg ? )

did you guys notice how many times they showed Locke's foot (with only four toes exsposed through his cast on hit lower leg ? )


NO! And I can't believe I didnt catch that. Im gonna have to go back and watch now. I always had a hunch that the 4-toe'd statue would somehow be tied back to Locke, but I didn't have a clue how. Sweet.

This is why Lost is such a cool show:

I thought the last episode was kind of ho-hum. For the most part, Locke wasn't doing much and it was basically all Locke all the time. I was getting tired of the "show up, get rejected, go cry" cycle. But there was one small moment in that episode that had one of the coolest revelations.

http://spoilertv.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7208&start=0

Ceasar finds a map while he is rummaging around. It is the same map from Faraday's notebook, which resembles the blast door map from season 1. We know the people left behind ( at least Faraday and Jin ) are working with the Dharma Initiative at some point so it looks like Faraday and Radzinsky have a talk at some point.

did you guys notice how many times they showed Locke's foot (with only four toes exsposed through his cast on hit lower leg ? )


Very nice catch - I just watched it all again while up here at work, and it blatantly shows it when Locke is preparing to hang himself. Sweetness :spade

I think it shows it also when he gets into his wheel chair and maybe one other time... All you see if four toes.. ?

Dang it I missed that!

All Hail! John Locke!

Wanna bet Ben has a hand in destroying the statue?

*head explodes*

Amazing episode!

OMIGOD!

Well we got to see the back of the statue..... :)

I didn't know the Dharma and the Hostiles co-existed :)

wow I love this show :)

Two Week break btw :(

Yeah. 2 week hiatus sux.

The best part? Mr 'LeFleur' as head of security! Bwahahahahaa!

Yea, and those two guys were scared shitless to knock on his door LOL

Well, now I officially believe that Locke is NOT the 4-toe'd statue.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/6/68/FourToedFull.jpg


That looks like Anubis to me (Egyptian God of the Afterlife)
He also typically carries an ankh and a whip - which is what I appear to see in each hand in the shot above.
Anubis is a jackal. Jackals have 5 toes on their front feet, and 4 on the back feet.



http://www.tutankhamunshop.co.uk/acatalog/tall-anubis-bronze.gif

and here, we see "The temple" that the smoke monster guards from a previous episode covered in hieroglyphics
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/6/64/TempleHiero.jpg



Damnit I love... and SOOOO hate this show! hahaha

Oh yeah, and I forgot ol girls husbands Egyptian cross necklace (was his name Paul?)

That's called an Ankh, not a cross.

Perhaps an Egyptian/Alien connection?

And you are right, Immortalis , I love/hate this show too, LOL!

Maybe I'm a bit slow... but I just realized that Horace was the guy that was out chopping wood that led Locke to the cabin. Wasn't Horace building the cabin? That would mean the cabin is not nearly as old as I had assumed.

Also, I'm wondering if Horace and whats-her-faces child might be anyone important.. who on the show is supposed to be around 30 (and male)?

I dont' know if he was building the cabin - but he was the guy that Locke saw who was out chopping wood.

I have no clue who the child might be.


But did you guys catch the obvious scene at end where Faraday see's Charlotte as a child? Do you recall where after one of the time jumps she comes too and remembers something she experienced as a child on the island where a man told her that if she left the island to never come back... and she thought it was Faraday? ...wild

Hence the "I won't tell her... I won't tell her..." He was saying when he was going crazy.

Stop and think how far the Lost story has come since Season One .....

New Lost tonight!

I'm going to watch the Lost pop up show right now !!!!!

Wow. This show never fails to deliver.

My latest theory? They mess up in the past, and the island was trying to get them to come back and fix whatever they messed up when in the past, when the Oceanic flight crashed into the island.

To quote Capt. Katherine Janeway "Temporal paradoxes make my head swim."

"Yes we have... we're going to name him Ethan."

Ok... I knew it was going to be someone we'd seen before, but I wasn't expecting that lol.

And DAMN that kid they found to play Ben looks just like I would picture a young Ben to look like. Probably the sullen eyes.

I am not liking the path they have Sawyer on at the moment. He seems content in his new life, who wouldn't..living on an island with that blonde bomb, but yea hes looking somewhat evil atm.

The part that gets me is , Ethan is an Other when the 815'ers arrive...yet he started out as Dharma.... Ben was an Other yet started out as Dharma.... yets the Purge kills all of Dharma...

The only person that seems to be an Other from the beginning is Richard.

The part that gets me is , Ethan is an Other when the 815'ers arrive...yet he started out as Dharma.... Ben was an Other yet started out as Dharma.... yets the Purge kills all of Dharma...

The only person that seems to be an Other from the beginning is Richard.

What about "the hostiles"? Richard probably has people.

Tonights episode: Wait... WHAT?

Heh, Sayid is trying to break the "you can't change the past" rule. It's that age old argument: If you could go back in time, and kill Hitler as a youth, would you be able to avoid WWII?

I'm thinking there will be some sort of "corrective action" that will put Ben back in the spot of offing the Dharma group, still. Maybe Sayid's attempt to murder him as a child is the motivation to commit the act?

That episode was unreal.

Too bad Sayid missed Faraday's lecture. Nice try though!

I guess Sayid didn't whip Ben's ass before he got on the plane after all ... Desmond maybe?

I bet ben is in his half dead state and that is what lets him know so much about , well, everything.....

The dude in the TeePee has got to be Jacob.... maybe?

Wow, no comments ? Lots of fun stuff this week !

I thought I was going to fall asleep. I remember a time when Kate episodes were interesting.

For some reason, when Kate said she was going back to the island to look for Claire, it got to me. And I had no idea what Richard was talking about when he said Ben's innocence would be lost till he walked into the temple... maybe we'll finally find out what it really is...

I think Ben either had a run in with Whidmoore's <sp?> men or Desmond. Ben probably knew that Penny would be with Desmond and when he saw him at the curch, he knew she would be near and that has his chance to exact revenge. He went to kill her, but either Whidmoore had body guards covering her or Desmond fought him to prevent it.



Well I was close, heh.

Very good!

Desmond kicked that ass with 1 arm!

Looks like Ben has to watch his P's and Q' from now on, or The Island will be laying the smackdown on him....

My DVR crapped out right when Ben went into the hole and the flash back of Desmond being shot, then It came back on when Ben was picking up the torch from the ground and looked up at Locke, saying hes been spared and is alive.

So Desmond wasn't dead and he came back and whooped up on Ben before he killed Penny? Penny still alive?

Yeah... Desmond and Penny's son came out of the boat right before Ben was about to shoot Penny and Ben couldn't do it. He was lowing the gun as Desmond tackled him, beat the snot out of him and threw him in the water.

Just to clarify just the son came out from below deck, Desmond was back at the car getting up from being shot at but luckily he had a bullet proof Grocery bag in front of him.

WTF was that chick asking "what stands in the shadow of the statue" for?

Are they a third group? Secret identities with a ghey riddle to indentify themselves as members?

Someone mentioned that SMokey was summoned via a pool of poo poo water .... that makes him a Fart Monster?

Is John locke dead and doesn't know it?

Ben spoke out of both sides of his mouth 3 or 4 seperate times last night.... leaving us guessing if he is good or bad.

What was in that silver crate the ajira people were lugging around?

I love that locke is "in the know" and been is the frightened puppy now :)

Shadow of the statue = The shadow cast by the Anubis statue with the 4 toes?

Well the statue question seemed like a question posed to people to check if they new the correct answer which would mean they were allowed into the attack group... which I think may be the "war" Whidmore and Linus are talking about ......


Oh and Ben's line was classic " frankly I didn't have time to talk you into killing your self again " LOL

Well the statue question seemed like a question posed to people to check if they new the correct answer which would mean they were allowed into the attack group... which I think may be the "war" Whidmore and Linus are talking about ......


Oh and Ben's line was classic " frankly I didn't have time to talk you into killing your self again " LOL

Yea, remember Ilana was hired to get revenge for Sayid killing one of Widmore's associates. While she says his family hired her, I'm betting she was sent to infiltrate the losties attempt to get back to the island. The real question is WTF is in that big metal box. I assume others were also sent to infilitrate the plane and that is their code so they know who is who.

You're forgetting what the French people were saying in the 70's, after the island drove them crazy. Same stuff. Clearly there's a bit of crazy going around on that island.

You're forgetting what the French people were saying in the 70's, after the island drove them crazy. Same stuff. Clearly there's a bit of crazy going around on that island.

???

What French people in the 70's?

If you are referring to Danielle and her crew when they ship wrecked, they didn't show up until '88.

If you think the same thing that caused them to go crazy caused Ilana and company to begin acting like militants, remember the French crew only did that after visiting the smoke monster underneath the temple. Ilana is not on the right island to have stumbled upon the temple.

Yeah, you're right. I got the times mixed up.

It's definitely the same behavior though. Might not be correct to assume you have to go to the temple. Smokey might come out and proselytize some new crazies when he gets bored.

No comments? At the very least, I have to carry on the conversation that Sanchek and I were having. It seems like Ilana and Bram may not be working for Widmore ( since Bram was trying to keep Miles from working for Widmore in 2004 ), but might be a new 3rd group, possibly DI? Not sure on that, since I think the statue was destroyed before Dharma actually came to the island, which would make their code "Do you know what lies in the shadow of the statue?" a little odd.

get a rope! Sawyer owns.

No comments? At the very least, I have to carry on the conversation that Sanchek and I were having. It seems like Ilana and Bram may not be working for Widmore ( since Bram was trying to keep Miles from working for Widmore in 2004 ), but might be a new 3rd group, possibly DI? Not sure on that, since I think the statue was destroyed before Dharma actually came to the island, which would make their code "Do you know what lies in the shadow of the statue?" a little odd.

Yeah, I think I was wrong about that. It's some sort of "other" group.

I'm beginning to think more and more our group of castaways were integral in the the Others and the Darhma Initiave's spiraling aggression towards one another. They are the reason the island was in the shape it was in when they first crash landed on it.

I did think Hurley's attempt to get Miles and his dad to talk to one another was pretty funny. I didn't see Dr Chang as his father. I should have seen that coming, I guess....

A theory a friend of mine had is that the "Ghost Whisperer" guy is actually the son of that lead scientist guy (the Asian ones in all the videos). He was born on the island and he was "special" in that his mind was linked with the time phasing aspect of it in some way. Thus his mind is able to be in multiple times at once. Extreme events are easier to pick up, like deaths, so he assumes he can just see the events surrounding death.


Sixee doesn't read my comments = (

You are just jealous my powers are better than yours ! :)

There's no shortage of shocking moments in Lost, that's for sure.

After Eloise started talking about sending her son back to the island as a sacrifice, I knew Daniel was going to die. Sad, too, cause he was one of my favorite characters.

I totally didn't see her being the one to kill him coming though... wow.

Yeah, that was a bit tragic.

But is anyone else thinking that detonating the bomb is gonna be the real 'accident'? That things woulda been just fine, if they didn't follow Daniel's journal?

You can't change what happened. Man, Jack has gone from the tragically flawed hero to the tragically flawed dupe.

Good episode last night, i wasnt expecting that exchange between Locke and Ben over Jacob.
Bens jaw droped in total shock, after Locke told him what hes really gonna do when he sees Jacob.
I wonder if that will destroy the entire island, if he succeeds.

Ben reminded me of Gollum after he found out his precious was gonna be tossed into mt doom, to be destroyed, i was almost half expecting him to attack Locke then and there.

yeah and Richard now seems at a loss on how to deal with the new Locke's requests/demands .... I like how he invited all of the Others to come with him to see Jacob and they were like "hell yeah! I'm tired of hearing all this second hand" >...

Wow....discuss.

wow...

Well it didn't let down that is for sure.....

We FINALLY get to see JACOB :)

what do you think about the opening scene of Jacob and that other guy on the beach?

Thoughts?

Figure that was The Black Rock?

Yeah that should be the blackrock, i figured Richard must have came from that ship.
I was totally surprised, with that locke imposter switch. I wonder if that other guy that was with Jacob at the beginning is called Esau, like in the bible, the two brothers. Or a Set and Osiris brother type thing going on, with all the Egyptian symbols and the statue of Tawaret The ancient Egyptian Goddess of maternity and childbirth, protector of women and children.
Which also plays into the story line about women not being able to have children on the island. Who destroyed that statue, the folks from the blackrock?
They have alot of explaining to do next season. lol

Yep, last season. Hopefully all will be answered, and no nagging little threads left behind....

Unless they decide to do a movie? Like X-files?

Figure that was The Black Rock?


I am mainly talking about the conversation between Jacob and the dude with the black shirt..... That ship was the Black Rock but how did it get to the middle of the island ?