http://www.buffalonews.com/437/story/578644.html

"Obviously, this is the worst form of domestic violence possible," Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita III said today.

No kidding.

Hilarity in the most tragic way possible.

What a piece of shit!

I would chalk this up to a guy who killed his wife and beheaded her...I think it's completely wrong to bring this guys religion into it regardless of his business. Divorces are funny things....the most sane people will snap under their weight.

I think the core of the religion that is a "religion of peace" is becoming the fringe rather than the main ;(

Because god knows the media is also running stories of the many perfectly respectful and decent Muslims who reside in our country. It makes for fantastic ratings.

Because god knows the media is also running stories of the many perfectly respectful and decent Muslims who reside in our country. It makes for fantastic ratings.

Slow on the uptake aren'tcha?

This station was founded specifically to highlight such.

The irony lies in the fact he became the very symbol of which he was trying to decry.

Beheading isn't done at the snap of a finger.

Beheading isn't done at the snap of a finger.

But maybe at the snap of a neck!

I think the core of the religion that is a "religion of peace" is becoming the fringe rather than the main ;(

Look, what that guy did is disgusting and wrong, but your out of line.

There are tons of people who kill their children, their wife, and then commit suicide. Though I understand the highlighting of this mans religion, the fact that others religions are not pointed out makes it very easy for you to consider Muslims more evil then people of other religions.

The bottom line is... There are fucked up people of every religion and race. No single act by one person can define the values and beliefs of over a billion people.

I would chalk this up to a guy who killed his wife and beheaded her...I think it's completely wrong to bring this guys religion into it regardless of his business. Divorces are funny things....the most sane people will snap under their weight.

I also disagree that it is wrong to bring this mans religion into the story. It is perfectly relevant that he is a muslim, as he committed an act in which he has been trying to show is not an act the majority of muslims would partake in.

Now if he had just shot his wife, then bringing up the fact that he is a muslim would be completely out of line.

Now if he had just shot his wife

Definately, everyone knows thats the accepted method God prefers when commiting spousal murder.

But maybe at the snap of a neck!
Snap your fingers snap your neck!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl-5TrGakWY

I think the core of the religion that is a "religion of peace" is becoming the fringe rather than the main ;(

Sorry, but this isn't pointing out the irony in the situation.

This is you making blanket statements about the second largest religion in the world based off shock value "news" in the United States.

lol San....


Ain...you revel in being the lil eccentric any more don't you?

Look, I can understand how it flew over your head, which lately is ...ooo no more than waist high by location.

The fact that he chose a method used almost solely in the Islamic held countries anymore is significant.

The fact is, he ran a proganda based station trying to cover up his own, perhaps radical, beliefs. Women are treated as chattle in that religion...another fact.

Those aren't values held by the fringe, they are values held by the mainstream of that religion.

Yes I can understand how you got confused and riled. You're a lil flaming radical stewing in your own fun anymore.

Calling it the second largest religion doesn't change the fact that there are serious issues at the core of the religion that foster such behavior.

Jedd, yes there are kooks of every religion. However , the more the light of the public eye is shed on Islam the uglier it seems and it certainly makes one wonder just how peaceful they really are. I'm sure there are tons of peaceful folks in the religion, but since they are doing nothing to curtail their fringe it casts a pall upon the core.

The fact that he chose a method used almost solely in the Islamic held countries anymore is significant.This guy murdered his wife by cutting off her head.

How many times has that happened in America by serial killers, who are almost always white men?

You would not have latched onto this fact if it were not a Muslim, and now you're trying to paint all of Islam's followers as fanatics who jerk off over the Nicholas Berg video.

CAYLEE ANTHONY WAS MURDERED BY HER SINGLE MOM! CLEARLY ALL SINGLE MOTHERS MUST BE GUILTY!


The fact is, he ran a proganda based station trying to cover up his own, perhaps radical, beliefs. Women are treated as chattle in that religion...another fact.So, again, you need to explain to me what the fuck his television station has to do with you transposing his violent acts to the entirety of the Muslim world.

And yes, I do agree that there are issues in the Muslim world with their treatment of women. This does not, however, mean that they all support the violent torture and murder of any human being, much less their wives. It is ridiculous to incinuate that.

Those aren't values held by the fringe, they are values held by the mainstream of that religion.Quite the authoritative statement. Are you seriously telling me that you believe that the "mainstream" segment of a religion encompassing over 1.5 billion people considers beheadings to be okay? Where the fuck are you coming up with this?

Why don't you post something to back your bigotry up, instead of spending half of your post making your OH SO WITTY wisecracks.

I watched a show on MSNBC tonight, one of those "murder" shows and oddly enough they had this guy who killed his wife and guess what....he had decapitated her...funny...they never mentioned his religion yet he did the same thing.

The muslim world has no singular claim to beheading people I'm sure if you look there are many videos of the Taliban hanging people and also shooting them...I think it was in WWII that the japanese did the beheading thing quite often to allied prisoners and of course there is the French with that elaborate machine, guillotine I believe, that they used to behead people....I mean really they were so in love with it they had factories build them.


Ainwein is right, it is sensationalized to sell news...muslim beheads wife = profits for media....white guy beheads wife...kind of passe' happens enough that it gets boring.

Note I have collected photographic evidence proving that the Shinto religion is terroristic...

http://www.crowhaus.com/bhd1.jpg

Shinto = beheading

http://www.crowhaus.com/bhd2.jpg
And again

http://www.crowhaus.com/bhd3.jpg

Once again...those dirty shinto bastards!

Well, shit, once the Samurai lost their legitimacy and the Emperor declared them criminal, those katanas had to be used for something.

'I think the core of the religion that is a "religion of peace" is becoming the fringe rather than the main ;('

- Don't make such a stupid statement. There are 1 billion muslims...and how many extremists?

'I think the core of the religion that is a "religion of peace" is becoming the fringe rather than the main ;('

- Don't make such a stupid statement. There are 1 billion muslims...and how many extremists?


I think the estimates are under 10,000

Nah there's more than that, but still a small percentage. Something else to remember too is a good portion of muslims outside of the middle east are a lot like most American christians. i.e. they go to church on christmas and easter, or in the case of muslims Eid/Ramadan and whatever the hell their spring equinox celebration is.

Point is, you ask your average American if they're christian they're going to say yes. When you ask them if they go to church every sunday, probably going to be a "sometimes" Same thing for your Muslim population.

However, due to the nature of mass media and the accessability of it these days, you're religious nutjobs of every flavor get much much more exposure than they would have years ago.

'I think the core of the religion that is a "religion of peace" is becoming the fringe rather than the main ;('

- Don't make such a stupid statement. There are 1 billion muslims...and how many extremists?

I think estimates place it at 999,999,999 extremist. It's a religion of Pieces not peace. Then again all religion is shit.

I think its also fair, by these standards, to say that every Roman Catholic is a child molester.

Probably, yes...

Wow Osg is a pagan....way cool!

LOL Why do I have to believe in anything?

LOL Why do I have to believe in anything?


HAHA...you don't have to...I would love religion to be a thing of the past.

I would love religion to be a thing of the past.


Never gonna' happen.

People need to believe they are something more than mayflies, and that there is something larger and more important than their existence.

Otherwise, why bother?

Have a little hope, there was a great explosion of post-religiousness in the 18th century that led people to form a nation out of the British colonies amongst many other notable events. Apparently they found something to bother about.

/hugely offtopic, but I'm working on 3hrs of sleep in 2 days... I'm beyond the silly stage too.

You guys argue over silly things more than any female I've ever known.

Also, please don't stop. This is a great insight to male psyche.

I don't see how bigotry is relegated to the male psyche. :(

Rofl!

Heres a picture of Osg painting the entire world with his ginormous brush

http://cellar.org/2006/giantbrush.jpg

Yes thank you L2. See how neat and tidy things are wen you paint everything over like that? Much more simple like that.

/hugely offtopic, but I'm working on 3hrs of sleep in 2 days... I'm beyond the silly stage too.

You guys argue over silly things more than any female I've ever known.

Also, please don't stop. This is a great insight to male psyche.


We love lesbians...their movies....their magazine photo spreads...their stories....we would even pay to sit in a room and study their mating rituals even though they really can't mate. Other than that we are fairly diverse.

Very fair assessment.

Lesbians terrify me. All the same female irrationality, doubled!

Double the irrationality, double the sweet feminine goodness. a conundrum indeed.

Double the irrationality, double the sweet feminine goodness. a conundrum indeed.

You haven't seen the majority of the lesbians that I've seen methinks.

'Lesbians terrify me. All the same female irrationality, doubled!'

- Yeah but throw them in a bath of jelly and it's all good.

You haven't seen the majority of the lesbians that I've seen methinks.

'tis true some are tres tres scary. Some however, are most definitely not ;). It works out better for us if all the men think like Taleren though. :D

How do I think? I said most that I'd seen, not all. I'm just not stupid enough to think that most lesbians look like lesbians in porno movies. Just like women should be smart enough to know that most guys don't look like most guys in porno movies (though I gotta think I am better looking than Ron Jeremy. He does have me beat in one area however).

Seriously though, name me 5 good looking lesbians(that I've heard of) that aren't "bi" or just young and experimental.

I can definitely say that I've seen more of what I have heard termed "diesel dykes" that are just nasty with mullets than I've seen that look like even semi attractive human beings. I have definitely seen good looking lesbians, so I'm not saying all look one way or the other. It's just funny how many guys say oooooh lesbians.... so hot... when what they really mean is ooooh porno star with another porno star who will fuck anything for money on camera.... so hot...

Tal hit the nail right on the head!

This guy murdered his wife by cutting off her head.

How many times has that happened in America by serial killers, who are almost always white men?

You would not have latched onto this fact if it were not a Muslim, and now you're trying to paint all of Islam's followers as fanatics who jerk off over the Nicholas Berg video.

CAYLEE ANTHONY WAS MURDERED BY HER SINGLE MOM! CLEARLY ALL SINGLE MOTHERS MUST BE GUILTY!


So, again, you need to explain to me what the fuck his television station has to do with you transposing his violent acts to the entirety of the Muslim world.

And yes, I do agree that there are issues in the Muslim world with their treatment of women. This does not, however, mean that they all support the violent torture and murder of any human being, much less their wives. It is ridiculous to incinuate that.

Quite the authoritative statement. Are you seriously telling me that you believe that the "mainstream" segment of a religion encompassing over 1.5 billion people considers beheadings to be okay? Where the fuck are you coming up with this?

Why don't you post something to back your bigotry up, instead of spending half of your post making your OH SO WITTY wisecracks.

You are an idiot who lacks emotional intelligence. You cut up my post to suit yourself. Please quit wasting public funds on that pos education you are getting. It is mainstream in Islam to treat their wives like property. Fucking idiot...sheeshh don't change my post around to make yourself happy in your lil boy pants.

Sheesh, I guess the ":D" wasn't enough to show you my jest or humor? Why are you so defensive about something as silly as this?

I would hope most men don't actually think every woman in a porno is a true to life dipiction of the average woman, afterall my tits aren't full of silicon! I certainly don't judge all men or women based on what I've seen on film. I will remember in the future not to banter with you in a playful way and will limit it only to others so I don't offend you, sorry!

Lastly to all men reading this is... some lesbian women go out of their way to show their utter dykeyness and look like men which believe it or not is just as repulsive to other lesbian/bi-sexual women as it is to you. Some lesbian/bi-sexual women retain their female identity but have an appetite for women too. These are harder to pick out of a crowd ;) It's up to you if you wish to lump all lesbians in the bull-dyke view of things. If you do it works out better for us.

You are an idiot who lacks emotional intelligence. You cut up my post to suit yourself. Please quit wasting public funds on that pos education you are getting. It is mainstream in Islam to treat their wives like property. Fucking idiot...sheeshh don't change my post around to make yourself happy in your lil boy pants.

I just want you to realize that you got taken to task by nearly everyone on the board. Then your reaction is to resort to the same immature ad hominems you always do when you find yourself losing an argument.

You're twice my age. Grow the fuck up.

You are an idiot who lacks emotional intelligence. You cut up my post to suit yourself. Please quit wasting public funds on that pos education you are getting. It is mainstream in Islam to treat their wives like property. Fucking idiot...sheeshh don't change my post around to make yourself happy in your lil boy pants.

Slow on the uptake aren'tcha?

Ain...you revel in being the lil eccentric any more don't you?

Look, I can understand how it flew over your head, which lately is ...ooo no more than waist high by location.

Yes I can understand how you got confused and riled. You're a lil flaming radical stewing in your own fun anymore.

Everyone in this thread seems capable of having a rational, level-headed conversation except you.

Wow, has this thread wandered woefully off course.

Amazingly, on this subject in general I agree with Jedd and Os...ack!! :o

It IS an issue that he beheaded her because of Isalamic terrorist practices in the Middle East and the Islamic religion's beliefs that violators of the Quran should be beheaded.

kind of passe' happens enough that it gets boring.

Bullshit. One in a thousand (or much more) is not passe. Give me some evidence that non-muslim men who kill there wives or ex-wives by beheading (and don't show me that they cut them up to hide the body) is commonplace in the world, let alone the US. It's significant because he started a TV station with the primary purpose of showing the less extreme side of Islam, when he resorted to an act used by Muslim extremists.

...and I agree with Os, all religions are inherently bad because they will always lead to extreme views and feelings of superiority over "non-believers".

You are an idiot who lacks emotional intelligence. You cut up my post to suit yourself. Please quit wasting public funds on that pos education you are getting. It is mainstream in Islam to treat their wives like property. Fucking idiot...sheeshh don't change my post around to make yourself happy in your lil boy pants.

Tsk tsk somebody got owned and doesn't know how to respond :(

Wow, has this thread wandered woefully off course.

Amazingly, on this subject in general I agree with Jedd and Os...ack!! :o

It IS an issue that he beheaded her because of Isalamic terrorist practices in the Middle East and the Islamic religion's beliefs that violators of the Quran should be beheaded.



Bullshit. One in a thousand (or much more) is not passe. Give me some evidence that non-muslim men who kill there wives or ex-wives by beheading (and don't show me that they cut them up to hide the body) is commonplace in the world, let alone the US. It's significant because he started a TV station with the primary purpose of showing the less extreme side of Islam, when he resorted to an act used by Muslim extremists.

...and I agree with Os, all religions are inherently bad because they will always lead to extreme views and feelings of superiority over "non-believers".

Exactly! If this man didn't start that T.v. station, then bringing up his religion would be purely to incite hatred and fear. In this case though, it is completely relevant.

I also want t say, in followup, it's a very unfortunate turn of events. It gives more fodder to bigots that want to label all muslims as radical and violent, when in fact the vast majority are not. What sets Islam apart from the other crap religions in the world is the countries (Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria and the like) that are being ruled by the backwards "Islamic law". It presents a very different face when governments, and goverment entities, are stoning, beheading and hanging people for things that aren't even crimes in the west. Then add to that the ignorance shown in the Danish cartoon incidents and the teddy bear incident. These things just add to the fears against Muslims.

Perhaps that is one of the reasons Islam is so foreign to many Westerners. It isn't a friendly sort of religion that invites you to do the right things. Rather, it demands your submission, and conformity to it, not the other way around.

The media doesn't help matters when the only stories run are the ones depecting the followers of ANY religion to be stone-throwing, beheading bigamists who kill doctors working at women's wellness clinics....
Remember the following formula is the basis of all things when it comes to the media: ratings > all.

I do see the irony in the story, however, espically in light of the man's attempt to dispell the negative connations of the religion he follows. Perhaps the message here is, no matter how enlightened the man, anger reduces us all to the lowest common denominator.

no matter how enlightened the man, anger reduces us all to the lowest common denominator.


True words...and an excellent point.

Wow, has this thread wandered woefully off course.

Amazingly, on this subject in general I agree with Jedd and Os...ack!! :o

It IS an issue that he beheaded her because of Isalamic terrorist practices in the Middle East and the Islamic religion's beliefs that violators of the Quran should be beheaded.



Bullshit. One in a thousand (or much more) is not passe. Give me some evidence that non-muslim men who kill there wives or ex-wives by beheading (and don't show me that they cut them up to hide the body) is commonplace in the world, let alone the US. It's significant because he started a TV station with the primary purpose of showing the less extreme side of Islam, when he resorted to an act used by Muslim extremists.

...and I agree with Os, all religions are inherently bad because they will always lead to extreme views and feelings of superiority over "non-believers".


How many muslims killed their spouses with a gun? Or stabbed them? Or strangled them? Or beat them?

So what you are saying is that as much as a pilgrimage to Mecca is a Muslim tradition beheading is a Muslim tradition? Yeah it wreaks of Irony that the guy who started a media outlet to show not all muslims mistreat their women but so does 10,000 other things wreak of irony in this world. This is just standard media crap designed to get ratings.

Awww, and I missed the lesbian/bi women hijack? :/

Call me a sucker, but I went just as ga-ga for the photo spread in People of Ellen De Generes and Portia Di Rossi's wedding this last fall as I did when I was a 20 year old and had Jodie Foster (and my girlfriend had Brooke Shields) pictures plastered all over the walls of our tiny garage apartment (and speaking of Foster, there's another beautiful woman who bats for the home team). Queen Latifa? I've loved her spark, and her sass, ever since she was a rapper...

If I wasn't 45 years old and it considered very creepy at my age I'd have those wedding pictures stuck up over my desk where I could look at them every morning - they both look so beautiful and *happy*. What a fairy tale, sigh...

I'll definitely take a pass on the silicone-porno fake lesbians or alcoholic bi-experimenters (ran into a few of the latter while facilitating Bi-Net), but there *are* a lot of attractive lesbians and bi women out there - you just have to have your radar tuned properly. And on stereotypes, while no-one has ever called me beautiful, I'm certainly not butch, either, and my girlfriends have ranged from little porcelain dolls (I'm 5' 1", and two of them were shorter than I, one a Minnie Mouse at Disneyland, same personality in and out of costume I might add ;) ) to big bubbly blondes, none of whom would qualify as particularly dykey, not that I can't appreciate the occasional softball boi or stone butch with that certain something :).

Let me tell you after seven years in South Texas though, never, and I mean *never*, get too friendly with a local papi's chica when you're out at that pride party... ;)

I have been glad to see several good peer-reviewed longitudinal studies come out in the journals over the past year and some lending strong support to the hypothesis that bisexuality is an enduring and stable orientation in some women - I've never felt the least 'confused' about my attraction to both sexes, and fallen equally strongly in love with them when the bug bit. I think the law of random chance, just due to percentages and cultural factors, results in more bi women ending up with male long term partners, but I'll freely admit to rooting for the home team, all other things being equal (since socially they still aren't).

On the beheading thing, I agree with the opinion that it is only relevant *because* this particular fellow had set up a TV station for the purpose of dispelling such stereotype. Way to shoot yourself in the foot there, buddy...

Regards,
Nydia

Wow, I can't believe you keep missing the point....and how you throw up strawmans like that...

Never did I equate beheadings as a Muslim tradition...can't believe I have to quote myself:

because of Isalamic terrorist practices in the Middle East and the Islamic religion's beliefs that violators of the Quran should be beheaded.

It's notable because this guy, of all guys that kill his wife, was trying to show non-muslims the peaceful/progressive side of Islam and used one of the most extreme ways of killing his wife, one that is used frequently by radical muslim terroists to get a reaction out the west. If he wasn't making a statement based on his religion, why the hell would he behead her...and not just shoot or stab her. He killed her in the most radical way he could....other than stoning her I guess.

This is just standard media crap designed to get ratings.

What? Did the media ask him to kill her in this way?

The only thing the media might guilty of, and I haven't seen yet, is to try to paint all Muslims as radical sharia law knuckle dragging terrorists.

Not sure what we are arguing about...I don't think this should be a significant story either...no grandeous assumptions should be taken from it other than what a hypocrit this asshole was. But it is notable that this guy did what he did.

Guys, you know how defensive I am about this kind of stuff, and I am telling you this is no big deal.

The media has every right to show that this man was a hypocrite after how far he went to prove a point, only to prove the opposite.

Oh, don't get me wrong! Bi women are very interesting to me. However, maybe its because my X used to frequent the gay clubs in Washington DC and here in Savannah, the only lesbians I ever saw, and KNEW were lesbians looked like truck drivers.

Another funny side note, my mom loves to watch Ellen Degeneres' talk show, and a week or so ago, she had Kieffer Sutherland on the show.
When he walked out onto the stage, for a second, I couldn't tell who, was who.....!

had Jodie Foster (and my girlfriend had Brooke Shields) pictures plastered all over the walls of our tiny garage apartment

HeHe, when i was younger Jodie was my first Celeb Crush. her and Jacklyn Smith(Farrah was Bleh).
Yes Tal i am very well aware of the diversity of lesbian community. I have been to many WNBA games mmmmkay! :D

Os nailed it!! ALL Religions are Shit.

Os nailed it!! ALL Religions are Shit.

People always find something to fight and kill over. If it's not religion, it's bullshit ideology.

People always find something to fight and kill over. If it's not religion, it's bullshit ideology.


Religion = bullshit ideology

Religion = bullshit ideology

True, but if it is not religion it is race. Or political ideas.

Kind of like when radical liberals want conservatives to die, or vice versa. I think it was on huffington post that people were cheering about Tony Snow's death just because he was the spokesman for an administration who started a war. Seems logical.

True, but if it is not religion it is race. Or political ideas.

Kind of like when radical liberals want conservatives to die, or vice versa. I think it was on huffington post that people were cheering about Tony Snow's death just because he was the spokesman for an administration who started a war. Seems logical.

I didn't notice anyone cheering Snow's death. If they did...well...karma is a funny thing...they would certainly deserve something.

'Islam has not changed since its inception'

- That is woefully incorrect. You are instantly overlooking the schism of Sunni and Shi'a in the late seventh century; or the change invoked by the encounter between the Islamic religion and Western ideas of state secularism in the nineteenth century, which predominantly altered religious ideas and principles in both Turkey and India, for example.

I bow to your superior knowledge, and respectfully withdraw that part of my statement.

Okiedokie, love you :)

Just don't go gay together and go live in Iran, because they don't have gay people there and you might feel out of place....

Just don't go gay together and go live in Iran, because they don't have gay people there and you might feel out of place....

If they move to Iran together they might get to hang out for a long time though...

pfft, the only reason they don't have gay people in Iran is because male male f'ing around is actually quite ok, culturally, there. It's what you do when yer horny before you get married.

Just don't go gay together and go live in Iran, because they don't have gay people there and you might feel out of place....


That is not true, there are plenty of gay people in Iran...they just no longer have their heads attached to their bodies.

If they move to Iran together they might get to hang out for a long time though...


OK, now that was funny! :D

They let it get to their...head... Ha!

I guess they were PUNished ... /rimshot

Puns are the lowest form of humor. People who tell them are very punny..... >.<

Puns are the lowest form of humor. People who tell them are very punny..... >.<


That was 2/3 of a pun.......P..... U !