I won't be able to go see it until this weekend, and for the love of everything holy, I must know what happens. In other words, Spoilers Plzkthx.

I know some of you went to the Midnight showings in some theaters, so out with it!

I gotta see that tonight!

Raid or Matrix... Matrix or Raid...
Tough choice!!

Saw it this morning, 9:00 am show (my theatre rocks). It was really good now do you really want to know what happens it might be a little upsetting. BTW Seraph is the shit.

Someone here at work just got back from seeing it and described the ending as "girly" whatever the fuck that means.

Just got back.


It was good, and it made Reloaded a lot better by clearing some of the shit up.

I read some spoilers on www.slashdot.org (http://www.slashdot.org), and I must say, the consensus is that it sucks.

I have to see it anyway, even though I hear it is going to be painful and not answer the questions I thought it would answer.

Just came back from seeing it and no offense but that movie suck hard. The start was good, seraph did in fact own and so did the frenchman (ruled them all!).

Neo acted like shit, trinity had the WORSE phrases of the whole movie. Aside from the start, the fights blew, the whole movie is fucking illogical but I won't spoil it. The only thing I ll say is they should have kept the story in the matrix, the real worl story is so completly illogical its not even funny.

The funniest part in the movie was during a sad scene when a guy in the theater started a smith like laugh and everyone laughed hardcore.


VERY VERY disapointing movie and the end haha well I think warner told them they wouldn't have matrix 4 because that wasn't how it was supposed to finish, they changed it on the fly so there wont be any matrix 4 5 and whatever.


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Ok so aside from the start scene when they go see the merovingian which was a blast, the rest blew. The machine fight was interesting special effects wise but completly illogical, I mean those machines have insane technology but yet they don't even think about just dropping some atomic bomb and blowing up the whole city? Nope they just attack humans with thousands of robot that do absolutly nothing xept exploding into humans and slowly killing them while hundred of the machines die.

The neo/smith final fight blew, I felt like watching DBZ with the guys flying all over the place, it wasn't even interesting martial arts. The end was a complete joke with neo dying to kill smith and the oracle telling the architect everything was changed.

Hmm what else well... oh ya, trinity... My god the lines she got were so fucking shitty. They were supposed to be emotions and stuff but you just spent your time laughing at her dumbass and then she died with like 4 fucking cable in the body but yet took like 10min to die.


Anyway that movie was the worse of the 3 going to sleep now :p

I haven't seen the third yet, but I was not overly impressed with the second. I have the feeling they should have stopped with the first.

Just came back from seeing it, and I'm biased.

The storyline is... questionnable /coughs, but the main reason why I wanted to see it, answering all the questions from 1 and 2, was fully reached, and left me pwned for sure. (Ocam razor(sp) anyone?)

I'm glad I didn't raid (the whole raid :b ) tonight! :D

Well, personally I hated it. Theres nothing worse than seeing a movie that is supposed to be a suprise and knowing exactly what will happen. Don't know if many of you remember that post on here not too long ago that had the link to the spoiler, and for those of us who didn't want to see it didn't have to click on it, but right below somebody posted "so basically thisandthisandthisandthis happens?", completely ruining the entire thing. Well so theres my story, and I'm soooo pissed bout it now.

Aside from that, if I hadn't of known that, I know it woulda been a lot better than Reloaded, but nothing compared imo to the mystery and all the Lacanian philosophy of the 1st that seems neglected in the second two which went more for the "action/fighting" mode.

Alas.

I loved it, but I quite enjoyed the 2nd one.

So Neo is Jesus. Gotta love that.

Occam's Razor aka The Principal of Parsimony: One should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.


The simplest path is the correct one.


Xir~

Thanks Xir, and that what I felt when I was leaving the theater.
We read so many "stories" to explain Matrix's world, and the explanation is so simple that it kicks ass (for me).

A little spoiler and example that I enjoyed, the SM club part with Merovingian(sp).
He starts to explain once again his "leitmotiv", action reaction blah blah, here my deal and such, and then Trinity pwns him up and down with a simple "I blob your head or you give me back my man?".
Simplest way is the correct way! 8)

I found the movie really great and nice.
The questions opened and philosophical aspects, the many quesitons that make you think (no obivous answer) are really nice. I personally believe all those people saying this movie is shitty (same as part 2) have simply not understood it / thought about it.

I guess it is the same people that found Mulholland drive insanely shitty cause there's no easy "written on your forhead" explenation about everything in question.

Coolest line in the movie : 'What do you think I am...human?'

haha

As far as a closing to a trilogy goes, I thought the movie as a whole came up pretty weak.

The action sequences and CG were pretty amazing, even though my friends and I were waiting for Neo's hair to turn white and go into his supersain form during the last fight with Agent Smith...

As far as the plot and how the movie ended, Weak.

I expected much more, never a good thing to do when relying on Hollywood.

What did you expect? The planet to explode?

Nukes cause an EMP effect, hence the machines probably wouldnt work with them.. . .

Nah, the best line was "COOKIES NEED LOVE TOO!"

The entire theatre busted out laughing when smith yelled that.

What deep and philisophical questsions Taino? That 1 + -1 = 0? Because that's what it was Neo and Smith were all about in the end. That love is a word describing an attachment? I got to 'explore' that in basic psychology.

To be honest, they should have just cut some of the action scenes short and made Reloaded and Revolutions one movie, then it might have been a good flick. But standalone, the two are just too....well, there's too much 'filler' material.

I thought it was pretty weak.

Especially the repetitive collisions between Neo and Smith at the end. Cool once or maybe twice, but geez...

The Oracle being played by a different actress just struck me as being more likely that the original wasn't available or something (yes, I know they filmed the last two together, and that wasn't the case), than something that furthered the plot. It just seemed weird.

The worst part was the conclusion. Peace? The entire sum of all three movies was for the humans to become willing slaves to the machines instead of fighting? Bleh.

Matrix 4 includes various civil rights groups fighting the machines for human freedom, then other civil rights groups fighting the civil rights groups for machine peace, and other civil rights groups fighting about the fighting.

The actress who played the original oracle died during filming I believe.

Saw it today, quite interesting point that probably most of you will have realised. There is still the huge metaphoric interdependence. I think perhaps this is what the makers were trying to put across?

Maybe i'm siding with the bad guy but is the matrix preferable to the real world? Sipher touches on the fact : what is real? apart from what the mind believes it to be, and if the mind believes the matrix to be real, then surely that reality (or this one) is preferable to the reality the "free" people are living, the same can be applied to freedom, what is freedom apart from what the mind believes to it be? So surely a mind "trapped" in the matrix is "free" because it believes it to be, and what it is living is "real" except that with the matrix, it is happy, and isnt happiness the product of the core of our existance? Which in the matrix 3 i saw many different occasions where the "love conquers all" theme was displayed.
By-product of love = happiness, love is to do with the mind, mind is still existant in the matrix = why be "free"? The answer in my mind is, essentially, you shouldn't.

As always, there will be the few who want complete freedom at all costs, and Zion (Xion?) is for them, but for the rest, like sipher and myself, the matrix is preferable. So back to the aforementioned metaphor of interdependence... the majority of the human race needs the machines to keep them sustained, for if the whole human race was "free", there would not be enough room so people would die, and on the other hand, the machines need the humans electricity to power them in a physical sense.

In conclusion ~ due to the blunders of both parties they are forced into relying on each other. How ironic.

Grumblin ~ Prophet

Neo = Jesus, yes. If you watched the animatrix, it is pretty clear that the machines are punishing mankind in the out-of-matrix life for their sins.

If you had any questions after episode 2, none where answered in episode 3. Neos abilities where left as pure magic.

I doubt the machines value their footsoldier calamari any more than we'd value bullets. The vacuous tactics and stupidity of the fights did harm the movie.

I'd give it a 2.5/5.

it was so shity i prefered this :

The Keep (1983)
Starring: Scott Glenn, Alberta Watson
Director: Michael Mann
Synopsis: Nazi soldiers ignore a village's warnings and set up headquarters in an ancient Romanian fortress. Soon they find they've disturbed a long dormant, monstrous presence.


matrix "I" was interesting, "II" and "III" are just craps or interesting for the effects and still ...

If you had any questions after episode 2, none where answered in episode 3. Neos abilities where left as pure magic

Neo's powers were a result of the mathmatical flaw inherit in any system where the components of the system are given free will.

I got that from part 2

I think he's talking about Neo's abilities in the real world, which made no sense and were never decently explained. At the end of the second movie, a lot of people were guessing theories along the lines of the "real world" just being another level of abstraction, with the machine world being no more physically real than the Matrix itself. In that case, Neo's powers against the "real" machines would have perhaps been explained somehow.

As they left it, it was just "pure magic" without really even a shread of explanation. Weak.

Gloria Foster (aka the oracle in first two matrix) :
Date of birth (location)
15 November 1933
Chicago, Illinois, USA
Date of death (details)
29 September 2001
New York, New York, USA. (diabetes)

"Gloria Foster died during filming of The Matrix Reloaded, reprising her role as the Oracle. She had almost completed her scenes for this film, but had not shot any for the third film."

The action sequences and CG were pretty amazing, even though my friends and I were waiting for Neo's hair to turn white and go into his supersain form during the last fight with Agent Smith...

haha no shit :)

They need to explain what "the Source" is more..

is it a force that is transendent man and machines? Why did Smith explode at the end with White Light?

The power both had inside the Matrix was explained by the Architect and Oracles dueling natural interest.. but what OUTSIDE? Where did that come from?
Ok.. maybe Smith and Neos fusion connected them, and let them both have some sort of mutated connection with the others world...
But to cause shit to explode? Disable Sentinals? Take a Human form?

Was Neo something more? From what? Is "the Source" God?

Smith seems to be able to go into real humans body when he absorb people ( he does it with bane) so as far as I understood it the machine unplugged neo just after he got absorbed to kill smith ( kind of stupid considering there were like 10000 smiths, another stupid thing in the plot).

Right now George Lucas is calling up the Wachowski brothers, and saying "Bite my weiner".

There is no Weiner...


www.corporatemofo.com/sto...matrix.htm (http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/031109matrix.htm)

Matrix 2/3 = bullshit to sap your $$
First one was ok, not great (roomates DVD). The second (nextdoor neighbor's DVD)sucked ass so much I will not see the 3'rd till its released on national TV, if im really bored and stoned. If the Animatrix is really supposed to be a part of the story then the logic is just as twisted and nonsensical (e.g. when the bot city gets blasted but the narrator illustrates that the machines are not affected by the tremendous heat of the nuke, well hello people, nuke's also drop a major e.m.p. wave that would devistate botworld). crap crap crap. Did i mention that i do not go to the movies to support the Hollyfags?

so as far as I understood it the machine unplugged neo just after he got absorbed to kill smith ( kind of stupid considering there were like 10000 smiths, another stupid thing in the plot).

Deffinately not. This may or may not be correct, but from what I understand, everything in the matrix has a purpous, and the matrix inherintly deletes anything in it that has no reason for being. (ie the indian kid at the begining...no purpous). They go over the fact that after bonding with neo, Smiths single overriding goal and purpous is the whack The One. Once he did that, he no longer had a purpous and the matrix inherently deleted him.

maybe?

Movie deffinately sucked shit. Could have hired a potted plant to play Neo for way cheaper. Trinity's lines were shit. Fight scenes were not impressive.

And how come, the ship in the first movie gets all bitch slapped by a handfull of squid and their only defense is the EMP, and in the last one its like hundreds of squid and they still get away...whatever, i refuse to belive Morphius was riding around in some pos that didnt have any guns when other boats did.

Eh, disagree.

I thought it was a great movie/2 movies (People also seem to forget that Reloaded and Revolutions are one movie), well worthy of its conclusion and how it was all laid out.

I found it interesting that a lot of people fail to see that, at it's core, the Matrix is not just a dialectic on the complexities of human nature and our tendency to create things that destroy us, but a story about love and it's power...

And fuck you if you didn't think the scene between Neo and Trinity in the ship was powerful. It _was_ moving. You're just a bunch of emotionally stolid bastards. ;P

--Cen

Reeves displaying emotion made me giggle.

Smith seems to be able to go into real humans body when he absorb people ( he does it with bane) so as far as I understood it the machine unplugged neo just after he got absorbed to kill smith ( kind of stupid considering there were like 10000 smiths, another stupid thing in the plot).

Oh and no, that's not why/how smith blew. Remember when the oracle said Smith is Neo's antithesis?

Zehn touched on this, but I think most of you passed it over. Neo = 1, Smith = -1. -1 + 1 = 0. By absorbing Neo (thinking haha, nothing left to stop me from dominating the matrix and machine world) he canceled himself out.

And any movie, or series of movies, that can inspire this much philosophical debate about even the smallest nuances in the film does not suck. Sorry.

I'd take The Matrix over Ben Hur or Ishtar if I had to choose for the rest of forever, k thx much.

--Cen

All of the debate and analysis is because we're trying to dig deep enough to find some shred of dignity for the movie, not because it's a great movie.

And it's not because it's not a great movie that it sucks. ;)

And fuck you if you didn't think the scene between Neo and Trinity in the ship was powerful. It _was_ moving.

HAHAHAH

By moving, you mean, people to the exits, right?

Keanu...moving...HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHA

I'm a firm believer that the only reason they had Neo's eyes burned out was so you couldn't see half his face when Trinity dies. =P

*bam*
Is Pablo here?
Hey Pablo... I heard you had something to say about me... shaving my huebos?

~

I love you! The band's gonna make it!

~

Those are his lines!

Pablo Fransisco's Keanu impression = golden.

"We went too far!"

lol, exactly what i was thinking about.. his keanu impressions are the best impressions of any kind i've ever seen :D

For those of you who have the time, and actually do want to read a very interesting essay regarding The Matrix (it was written before the 2nd and 3rd came out, it was his analysis/critique of the 1st, but still has many parts applicable to the whole of the trilogy), you can read one here.

www.egs.edu/faculty/zizek/zizek-the-matrix-or-two-sides-of-perversion.html (http://www.egs.edu/faculty/zizek/zizek-the-matrix-or-two-sides-of-perversion.html)

The first parts are straightforward enough, but to understand the rest you have to have a good knowledge of Lacanian and Hegelian philosophy (which I'm most definitely still working on, lol).

I'm a firm believer that the only reason they had Neo's eyes burned out was so you couldn't see half his face when Trinity dies. =P

:rollin

Haha, that's great.. Really if you rewatch the 2nd one where he says "Something is different", its like... Uhh. Maybe Keanu should have played the emotionless machine.

"are you from the matrix?" "Yes...no...I..dont know."

I audibly groaned when that was the opening of the movie...

LOL, just yesterday I started to type a post Ehrnam on that line exactly, but decided not too cause it wasn't worth the time. I, too, audibly groaned, along with all my friends. It was awful.

So many seemed to not like it, what would have made it a good or great movie?

Juggies.

if they didn't make it

I for one thought Neo's "abilities" in the real world would have made an interesting plot twist, if the directors had actually taken the time to explain it.

If anyone has seen the movie the Thirteenth Floor, the main character's world is actually a simulation. But the catch is the simulation world (the main character's world) made their own simulation, so if it was for the Matrix it would be a matrix within a matrix (with the first matrix being the one Neo starts out in in the first movie, the second one being the 'real' world) but alas, they didnt.

What kinda creeped me out was how that APU captain guy was able to scream for so damn long...

Yeah, I think a whole lot of people were expecting some extra level of virtual reality to explain the end of the second movie. IMO, they could have really saved the series if they'd done that well.