McCain may have lost the nerd vote!

Oh. No. He. Didn't (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Goldfarb_keeps_experience_points.html?showall)

Did McCain make his saving throw??


(btw best quote of the thread: What alignment is Obama anyway? Chaotic Awesome???)

How big of a voting block are nerds? Is there a moral nerditity much like the moral majority?

In other news, it seems that McCains POW story, which he told at the Rick Warren thing, about the NVA guard drawing a cross in the dirt at Christmas time is not exactly true, well it is true its just that it wasn't an NVA guard and it wasn't in Hanoi and it wasn't McCain. Turns out it was Alexander Solzhenitsyn in a siberian gulag and the guard was a russian orthodox. At least we know McCain can read and comprehend!

But as the Barbecue media has pointed out, the night was a win for McCain, he said the things the christian evangelicals wanted to hear in order for them to vote for him. Of course he didn't have to mean what he said, he didn't even have to know what he said...just as long as he said it...that's what matters. (Did you ever get the feeling that we are once again about to get the shaft all because a bunch of people are stoopid?)

Well if we follow the nerd = intellectual then the nerd majority will pretty much all be going to Obama. McCain's plan of focusing entirely on the ignorant won't go well with the dungeons and dragons crowd. Cause even though they may spend all their time in mom's basement, they'll see the youtube videos.

Look at how big World of Warcraft is. Every player of that game can identify with people who play D&D. And then you have the people who don't play WoW: they play Everquest or Anarchy Online or Age of Conan ... and they can all identify with people who play D&D. Like this message board, billions of video game message boards all have "McCain made fun of D&D players" on it, and that's significant. Just because some asshole in his Dupont Circle penthouse condo thinks that these people are a weird minority doesn't mean the world does, and that's gonna be a big problem for McCain (I hope).

Wonder what McCain's AC is, never mind, I just rolled a critical he's history!

In other news, it seems that McCains POW story, which he told at the Rick Warren thing, about the NVA guard drawing a cross in the dirt at Christmas time is not exactly true, well it is true its just that it wasn't an NVA guard and it wasn't in Hanoi and it wasn't McCain. Turns out it was Alexander Solzhenitsyn in a siberian gulag and the guard was a russian orthodox. At least we know McCain can read and comprehend!You know this? Were you there?

I don't know if he made this up or forgot it and then remembered just in time to pander to evangelicals but this is interesting:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6652541

In his 2005 book he rights about being a big fan of Alexander Solzhenitsyn and he never mentions any story like this at all at all in his 1973 account of his captivity.

Seems a bit fishy to me.

He's got a fellow POW recollecting the same story.

Unless you get a former POW with McCain that refutes this tale, you're going to have to let it go.

He's got a fellow POW recollecting the same story being told in those years.

No he doesn't, look, he's full of shit and he knows he is. The whole thing was cooked up or stolen or whatever to grab at any of the right wing ignorant fools who think that things like that are the closing factor in determining presidential qualifications.

We know McCain can negotiate deals, best example is Charles Keating, McCain negotiated a deal to his advantage with him and then negotiated his way out of trouble for being a conniving SOB.

We know he loves Jesus because he said so and he made up a story about an NVA guard who loved Jesus too, loved Jesus so much that while our prisoners were getting beaten he watched and even helped beat them.

McCain is full of shit, he's playing on stupid peoples emotions and if he wins I'll say you who voted for him got your just deserts!

Unless you get a former POW with McCain that refutes this tale, you're going to have to let it go.


Remember, as the story progressed over the years it progressed into he was standing alone, just him and the guard.

No he doesn't, look, he's full of shit and he knows he is. Showing faith and patriotism was an everyday thing for these guys and there are many stories that McCain could talk about and he hasn't done so. Obama draws on his life's experiences (what few there are) and so will McCain.

Anyway, call this guy a liar if it makes you feel better:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGZiOGI3OTQ3YWMxYzFhM2UyYTk3NzJiYTM4MGNiY2U=

You've probably seen that there are some out there in the blogosphere questioning the authenticity of John McCain's "cross in the dirt" story, which McCain told Saturday night at the Saddleback Summit. But there doesn't seem much mention of the fact that McCain had a lot of fellow POWs in Vietnam, and they can be asked for their recollections. So I called Orson Swindle, a fellow POW who is campaigning for McCain, to ask him about it.

"I recall John telling that story when we first got together in 1971, when were talking about every conceivable thing that had ever happened to us when we were in prison" Swindle told me a few minutes ago. "Most of us had been kept apart or in small groups. Then, in 1970, they moved us into the big cell. And when we all got to see each other and talk to each other directly, instead of tapping through walls, we had 24 hours a day, seven days a week to talk to each other, and we shared stories. I vaguely recall that story being told, among other stories."

"I remember it from prison," Swindle continued. "There were several stories similar to that in which guards — a very few, I might add — showed compassion to the prisoners. It was rare, and I never met one, but some of the guys did."

As for the people who are questioning McCain's account, Swindle said, "That's garbage. These people are desperate."

Continuing on with the paranoia and conspiracy theories from you and others on this board just shows some weird desperation on your part. Maybe buyer's remorse for the sad state of politics we're in?

Im sure a ton of shit happened in that POW camp. Who knows. I'm not going to doubt McCain on it, if its bullshit, meh. Not really a big deal.

Did McCain find faith and God during his time in hell? Shit if I know. Nobody can look into a man's soul.

The fact is that he is obviously not a very religious person. He needs to connect with people that he probably thinks for the most part are fools. So he dances around the question and tells a story that redirects the intention of the querry. I really don't care. This charade of Politicians to have to be all religious is a joke.

Im a religious person... but the fact that we REQUIRE our people in charge to bow down before the magic hebrew space zombie is dumb.

So Obama joins a church and McCain tells a made up story.

Whateva.

Showing faith and patriotism was an everyday thing for these guys



Continuing on with the paranoia and conspiracy theories from you and others on this board just shows some weird desperation on your part. Maybe buyer's remorse for the sad state of politics we're in?

Look, McCain was a navy pilot, he graduated near the bottom of his class. He was an average pilot, he flew A-4's he dropped iron bombs on targets he was told to. He got shot down, many others did also. He got injured when he got shot down as did many others. He was never religious he had a huge ego (I assure you I don't know of any aviator that doesnt) he got religion when the shit got rough (I don't know anyone in the military who didn't find a sudden strong desire to be religious under fire) Is he a hero? Just as much as anyone else who served.


As far as buyers remorse? I didn't vote for the current administration, you did...the remorse should be all yours.

Continuing on with the paranoia and conspiracy theories from you and others on this board just shows some weird desperation on your part.

I get a kick out of how crying conspiracy theory is the new black for NeoCons these days.

He's got a fellow POW recollecting the same story.

Unless you get a former POW with McCain that refutes this tale, you're going to have to let it go.

I suppose if you're going to bring follow POWs into the picture, this is fair game too then:

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/19/fellow-pow-won-t-vote-for-mccain/#cont

John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he hates that man.

I get a kick out of how crying conspiracy theory is the new black for NeoCons these days.Well white it out.

And that article is a good read. Make sure to read it all.

Most of us who survived that experience are now in our late 60's and 70's. Sadly, we have died and are dying off at a greater rate than our non-POW contemporaries. We experienced injuries and malnutrition that are coming home to roost. So I believe John's age (73) and survival expectation are not good for being elected to serve as our President for 4 or more years.

I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced first hand. Folks, quite honestly that is not the finger I want next to that red button.

It is also disappointing to see him take on and support Bush's war in Iraq, even stating we might be there for another 100 years. For me John represents the entrenched and bankrupt policies of Washington-as-usual. The past 7 years have proven to be disastrous for our country. And I believe John's views on war, foreign policy, economics, environment, health care, education, national infrastructure and other important areas are much the same as those of the Bush administration.

I'm disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate Republican. On some issues he is a maverick. But his voting record is far to the right. I fear for his nominations to our Supreme Court, and the consequent continuing loss of individual freedoms, especially regarding moral and religious issues. John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he hates that man. He disingenuously and famously put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other instances, I don't see that John is the "straight talk express" he markets himself to be.

McCain has been lying to us with his "five years of torture" story line. . .

Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September of 1969 the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965 so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POW's for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals.



Source Here (http://www.military.com/Opinions/0,,Butler_Index,00.html)