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Sanchek
06-02-2008, 01:23 AM
There's talk here lately about how Obama will have to surround himself with good advisers to make up for his alleged inexperience, and that his choices haven't been great thus far.

Thought I'd point out the latest example of McCain not doing any better himself:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/139443

McCain's campaign is already distancing itself from some of Gramm's other work for UBS: his involvement in attempts to sell financial products known as "death bonds," which BusinessWeek described last summer as one of "the most macabre investment scheme[s] ever devised by Wall Street." Not long after joining UBS, the Houston Chronicle reported, Gramm helped lobby Texas officials, including Gov. Rick Perry, to sign on to a UBS proposal in which revenue would be generated for a state teachers' retirement fund by selling bonds, whose proceeds would in turn be used to buy annuities and life-insurance policies on retired teachers. UBS would advance money to the retirement fund, then repay itself, compensate bondholders and pocket profits when insurance companies paid off on retirees who died. According to a banking-industry source, who asked for anonymity when discussing a sensitive matter, Gramm was involved in efforts to pitch similar UBS products to other financial institutions.

I'm not one to buy into the soap opera drama over these things, but it's so disappointing to see him choosing these same corporate bankers that have been complicit in financially fucking us all so badly. Especially since McCain himself points out that he doesn't know much about economics and will have to lean on an adviser, during a time when we need economic reform and recovery so desperately.

Fandros
06-02-2008, 09:46 AM
Who's Obama going to lean on for that area San?

Sanchek
06-02-2008, 09:53 AM
I don't know. That seems beside the point, to me.

Even Obama chose a terrible adviser, how does that excuse McCain's choice?

Fandros
06-02-2008, 10:06 AM
It's not beside the point, Obama is a rookie in the same arena and I'd like to compare the choices.

Sanchek
06-02-2008, 10:10 AM
Misdirection.

Fandros
06-02-2008, 10:12 AM
I'm trying to decide between the two, you seem to be informed about advisors and I'm asking for help.

Jesus man, you really need to stop thinking every request is a debate point. Sometimes a request is just a request ;P

Palarran
06-02-2008, 02:03 PM
Huh. I'd have expected it to be easier to find a list of candidates' advisors.

For Obama, the best list I've found so far:
http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/080331nj1.htm

For McCain, the best list I've found so far:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/02/mccains_inner_circle_revisited.html

Anyone find better resources? Both appear to be outdated and incomplete.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
06-02-2008, 08:02 PM
Jesus man, you really need to stop thinking every request is a debate point. Sometimes a request is just a request ;P


I had a dream that he read a post for what it was intended, rather than what he wanted to believe it meant based on his own views and opinions and beliefs. Then the dog licked my face and I woke up.

Sanchek
06-02-2008, 11:30 PM
I'm trying to decide between the two, you seem to be informed about advisors and I'm asking for help.

Jesus man, you really need to stop thinking every request is a debate point. Sometimes a request is just a request ;P

I'm not your research assistant, Google is!

I doubt you're going to find any solidified information about either of their cabinet level prospects for awhile longer. Obama definitely stood above Hillary and McCain, shunning that silly gas holiday idea though. So, that's a bit of comfort (assuming he'll probably win it all).

Obviously, all three of them are mental midgets compared to Ron Paul, when it comes to economics. It's hard for me to take them very seriously, when they pale so much in comparison.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
06-02-2008, 11:48 PM
Obama definitely stood above Hillary and McCain, shunning that silly gas holiday idea though.




I admit I am still somewhat shocked that either of those two seriously advocated such an asinine plan. It went waaaaaaaayyyy beyond grasping at straws, both in it's audacity and the complete failure to look at the impact on lost dedicated revenue.

Rover
06-02-2008, 11:57 PM
I wonder if Obama will have a place for Ron Paul in a cabinet or advisory role, he seems willing to cross the aisle with things.

Jedd Corpse
06-02-2008, 11:58 PM
Ron Paul for Vice President

Fandros
06-03-2008, 12:42 AM
Ron Paul for Vice President

Now that would get my vote hands down.

Sixee
06-03-2008, 12:54 PM
I'd buy that for a Dollar!

Taleren Bloodsong
06-05-2008, 04:17 PM
I'd love to see that too.