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Rover
09-05-2008, 08:19 AM
I thought his speech was boring, could have been a recording of the standard republican speech that has been given for the last 20 + years.

The POW story was the only thing interesting and that is even way overused.

Kanyli
09-05-2008, 09:22 AM
I thought his speech was boring, could have been a recording of the standard republican speech that has been given for the last 20 + years.

The POW story was the only thing interesting and that is even way overused.I shut it off about halfway through, was too bleh. Then again, I could barely stomach most of the Democrat speeches as well. I probably would have done better if it hadn't been for that video at the beginning, and that opening statement about our strong president who has led us in these dark times.

Kelraz Bladesinger
09-05-2008, 11:24 AM
His message is change, yet even my Republican-to-the-core ex-Philly Republican Party Chairman grandfather can't understand what change comes from voting the same way as Bush 90 percent of the time.

Rover
09-05-2008, 11:52 AM
Sarah Palin...Mother....Moose Hunter.

Nydia Ywalmoriel
09-05-2008, 12:57 PM
I view John McCain as an American tragedy; in many ways the embodiment of everything that is good about the nobler instincts of service to country and humanity, coopted, subverted, and cynically used by those who seek only the consolidation of power and money, making his last stand as his career comes to a close. His speech last night sounded sincere, poignant, and anachronistic; I might have, in some ways, been listening to Eisenhower speak. I have no doubt that many of his ideals are intact, and that he really did mean most of what he said; unfortunately, his masters have other plans, from the selection of a VP who fundamentally disagrees with him on many issues and was clearly chosen for her ability to galvanize the 'clinging to their guns and religion' base rather than any true understanding of conservative principles, foreign policy, or much of anything else, to the polite and muted reception the party 'faithful' gave him on the convention floor - clearly he wasn't telling them what they want to hear, and I doubt that he will have the stamina to fight his own party tooth and nail for the type of change he wants, if the recent past is any indication, and with the perky but fundamentally ignorant and mired-in-cronyism-herself sidekick he's been saddled with.

John Mc Cain makes me genuinely sorrowful for what the Republican party was once upon a time, and might have been. A significant part of me really does wish him well against overwhelming odds and the betrayers of his own party and its principles.

Regards,
Nydia

Rover
09-05-2008, 01:27 PM
I view John McCain as an American tragedy; in many ways the embodiment of everything that is good about the nobler instincts of service to country and humanity, coopted, subverted, and cynically used by those who seek only the consolidation of power and money, making his last stand as his career comes to a close. His speech last night sounded sincere, poignant, and anachronistic; I might have, in some ways, been listening to Eisenhower speak. I have no doubt that many of his ideals are intact, and that he really did mean most of what he said; unfortunately, his masters have other plans, from the selection of a VP who fundamentally disagrees with him on many issues and was clearly chosen for her ability to galvanize the 'clinging to their guns and religion' base rather than any true understanding of conservative principles, foreign policy, or much of anything else, to the polite and muted reception the party 'faithful' gave him on the convention floor - clearly he wasn't telling them what they want to hear, and I doubt that he will have the stamina to fight his own party tooth and nail for the type of change he wants, if the recent past is any indication, and with the perky but fundamentally ignorant and mired-in-cronyism-herself sidekick he's been saddled with.

John Mc Cain makes me genuinely sorrowful for what the Republican party was once uopn a time, and might have been. A significant part of me really does wish him well against overwhelming odds and the betrayers of his own party and its principles.

Regards,
Nydia


I actually felt a little choked up reading that...you hit a true home run with that post...excellent...simply excellent.

Grift3r
09-05-2008, 02:16 PM
Rover beat me to it. You have very succinctly captured exactly how I feel as well. I have never voted Democratic, and I still might not, but I cannot vote for the Republican machine.

allamar
09-05-2008, 03:44 PM
Listening to the Republicans speak this week, just had me shaking my head in disgust. I know both parties have to toss in there red meat attacks against each other and thats all fine and dandy.
But Republicans crossed a line, when they start saying people in this country are non Americans, like liberals, Hollywood or anyone else who doesnt agree with there views. I was like WTF, thats like half of the country.
No where in the Democrats speeches did i ever hear them call Conservatives or those Religious right people non Americans. If they had i would have said WTF to them as well.

Are they all really that bitter and hateful of anything not like them? What would they like to do to those so called non Americans, start a Gulag or internment camps or something?


The only Speech there that didnt have that nasty feel to it was Mccains. But his speech was so darn boring and longgggg it was hard to sit through. At least i didnt hear the non American crap from him like some of the others there.
The PoW story was great for the convention, but he really is starting to over use it, just as Gulliani over used 911. Using it all the time like a sledgehammer to win an arguement or as the main reason to be President. "Hey, i was a PoW and thats why your suppose to make me president" starts to loose its luster after the millionth time saying it. I think everyone knows that by now and doesnt need to be continually reminded every 5 secs.

Taleren Bloodsong
09-05-2008, 03:51 PM
Listening to the Republicans speak this week, just had me shaking my head in disgust. I know both parties have to toss in there red meat attacks against each other and thats all fine and dandy.
But Republicans crossed a line, when they start saying people in this country are non Americans, like liberals, Hollywood or anyone else who doesnt agree with there views. I was like WTF, thats like half of the country.
No where in the Democrats speeches did i ever hear them call Conservatives or those Religious right people non Americans. If they had i would have said WTF to them as well.

Are they all really that bitter and hateful of anything not like them? What would they like to do to those so called non Americans, start a Gulag or internment camps or something?


The only Speech there that didnt have that nasty feel to it was Mccains. But his speech was so darn boring and longgggg it was hard to sit through. At least i didnt hear the non American crap from him like some of the others there.
The PoW story was great for the convention, but he really is starting to over use it, just as Gulliani over used 911. Using it all the time like a sledgehammer to win an arguement or as the main reason to be President. "Hey, i was a PoW and thats why your suppose to make me president" starts to loose its luster after the millionth time saying it. I think everyone knows that by now and doesnt need to be continually reminded every 5 secs.
You're either with us, or you're one of the terrorists

Lleauric
09-05-2008, 04:47 PM
I like John McCain. I don't even think he would make a half bad President.

That problem is that he has let the Bush/Rove people run his campaign. What else will he turn over to them.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
09-05-2008, 06:50 PM
I like John McCain. I don't even think he would make a half bad President.

That problem is that he has let the Bush/Rove people run his campaign. What else will he turn over to them.


This is a perfect example of why I have lost any interest in this man; he has rolled over and sucked up to the same people that used his and Cindy's adopted child to appeal to the racists in South Carolina in the 2000 campaign, possibly costing McCain a real shot at the office and instead giving us Dubya.

He has compromised his ideology and principles too much over the last four years trying to solidify his position for this 2008 run at the office; he has made it clear that winning is more important than anything else this time around, and that is not the McCain I fervently supported in 2000.

And I want to echo the others that Nydia shared one dynamic post, and I say thanks too.

Kelraz Bladesinger
09-06-2008, 12:20 AM
Nydia, do you watch the Colbert Report? I can't help but be surprised to hear you echo Eisenhower's daughter ... who left the Republican party less than a week ago.

Nydia Ywalmoriel
09-06-2008, 12:33 AM
I don't watch the Colbert report - and didn't Eisenhower's daughter speak at the *Democratic* convention last week? I thought she had, or was that the grand-daughter?

In any case, I like both Stephen Colbert and John Stewart, but don't get to catch the shows often...

Kanyli
09-06-2008, 01:12 AM
I've been watching the two almost religiously lately. If nothing else, the humor takes the edge of the resounding stupidity of the election season.

DiscW
09-06-2008, 01:16 AM
The past 2 weeks the daily show has been getting nice soft, slow pitches and hitting them out of the park. The McCain video tonight was just as good as the obama one, it's not up yet though.