There has been a lot of "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" talk around Minnesota today that Pawlenty is going to be McCain's pick for Vice President. It makes some sense, as far as getting someone younger to offset his age. Romney is a tough one because having two RICH exec's is not going to fly after the last eight years, and with the present economy woes.

I almost hope he does pick Pawlenty, because I know a lot of fence sitters who will turn their back on McCain with that selection. Pawlenty is being called an anti-tax Governor, but that is not true. When the Democrats put together a plan to increase the gas tax, calling it a user fee (which it is, really), so that they could increase funds for rebuilding bridges and roads and basic infrastructure, Pawlenty was fast to veto the bill, declaring he would not allow Minnesotans to be saddled with more taxes. He then took almost the identical language and applied it to tobacco, declaring his new state tax on tobacco products to be a user fee (which the courts later determined to be bullshit, it was a tax).

Pawlenty showed Minnesota how little integrity he has, and when the 35W bridge collapsed after he vetoed a source of funding to repair it and others in similar condition simply to look 'conservative', he did not look like a leader in any way during the following weeks of aftermath and plans for recompense of victims and rebuilding of the bridge.

I think his wife, a former judge, would be a much better candidate (for governor as well).


(I should point out that the gas tax had not been raised in over 20 years, and was overdue)

I hear the Obama campaign said that McCain would have no room to talk about experience if they pick Pawlenty :)

And lookout for the Obama speech tonight, word is it will be 99% substance with policy ideas and his plans.

Cut taxes! The answer to everything is cut taxes, we don't need to raise taxes to go to war we can cut them because the country we invade will pay us to invade them ...now how fucked up is that.

I don't know much about Pawlenty but he sounds like the usual.

heh.

Im hoping its Romney or Libermann. Then I can just pay attention again in Jan at Obama's inaugeration.

heh.

Im hoping its Romney or Libermann. Then I can just pay attention again in Jan at Obama's inaugeration.


Actually, I think if he were to pick Lieberman we would have a more interesting dialog leading up to November than any of the other potential picks; of course, it matters little, because he is going to lose regardless.

heh.

Im hoping its Romney or Libermann. Then I can just pay attention again in Jan at Obama's inaugeration.

I hope its Libermann so I can watch Biden shit on him in the debate.

Biden is gonna a tough cookie to debate regardless the choice.

Yeah, but I would like to see the political equivalent of Mike Tyson vs a 1 legged cripple.

Yeah, but I would like to see the political equivalent of Mike Tyson vs a 1 legged cripple.

Which Mike Tyson tho?

The rough and tough Iron Mike Tyson from his glory days or the post Don King life is a shambles and I'll eat your ear Mike?

Either one would be fun to watch, but I was referring to the former.

Iron Mike was great to watch /nods

When I was stationed at Nellis for a TDY buddies went to one of his bouts....

They were pissed at the rather quick work Mike made of *insert poor fool*.

Which Mike Tyson tho?

The rough and tough Iron Mike Tyson from his glory days or the post Don King life is a shambles and I'll eat your ear Mike?

It's so hot I'm sweating like Mike Tyson at a spelling bee!

I just saw on the news McCain might go with Sarah Palin. I had no clue who this person was so I searched the google. Saw some pictures of her and lol, McCain is a lecher :(

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/5323/sarahpalinvoguekm9.jpghttp://livingalaska.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sarah_palin2.jpg

http://livingalaska.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sarah_palin2.jpg

Keep her away from John Edwards amirite??? lulz

I heard McCain liked Obama's text message announcement idea, so he'll be sending telegraphs to all of his supporters with his pick.

I just saw on the news McCain might go with Sarah Palin. I had no clue who this person was so I searched the google. Saw some pictures of her and lol, McCain is a lecher :(

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/5323/sarahpalinvoguekm9.jpghttp://livingalaska.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sarah_palin2.jpg

http://livingalaska.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sarah_palin2.jpg

Keep her away from John Edwards amirite??? lulz


Actually, the idea is not that far-fetched when considering McCain's ambition to gain the office. This would be a serious effort to grab the Hillary voters by having a female on the ticket; unfortunately, the message given would also be that those voters are more concerned with breaking that barrier than with the quality and policies of the person attaining the office.

I heard McCain liked Obama's text message announcement idea, so he'll be sending telegraphs to all of his supporters with his pick.


Not sure how many recall the Flintstones, but I had a funny mental picture of the little bird inside the cell phone chiseling away at the slab of rock.

Not going to be Pawlenty (http://www.npr.org/blogs/politics/2008/08/pawlenty_of_veep_speculation.html)

Actually, the idea is not that far-fetched when considering McCain's ambition to gain the office. This would be a serious effort to grab the Hillary voters by having a female on the ticket; unfortunately, the message given would also be that those voters are more concerned with breaking that barrier than with the quality and policies of the person attaining the office.

Considering her experience and ethical questions this pick would only be about trying to grab the Hillary voters, a very condescending move by McCain if it was so.

She is however quite the GILF.

It looks like it is the GILF.

Well, there went the experience argument. She's hot, but that seems stupid.

Well...sex sells! :p

Thanks Mr. McCain. Now I see the light at the end of the tunnel for sure. Who needs experience when you have a pretty face, right John?

I just saw on the news McCain might go with Sarah Palin. I had no clue who this person was so I searched the google. Saw some pictures of her and lol, McCain is a lecher :(

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/5323/sarahpalinvoguekm9.jpghttp://livingalaska.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sarah_palin2.jpg

http://livingalaska.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sarah_palin2.jpg

Keep her away from John Edwards amirite??? lulz

That vogue cover is fake.... right? It looks like a horrible photoshop.

They just took their biggest talking point, inexperience, and turned it on themselves.

They are gonna get a bunch of ex hillary supporters though :(

Here you go Rover

http://www.cafepress.com/drvermin.133832122

:D

They are gonna get a bunch of ex hillary supporters though :(

Only ones who vote based on a woman being the only criteria.

Also, her husband works for an oil company, BP I believe, so guess where her interest will lean.

Omg she just said nukular!

Also, her husband works for an oil company, BP I believe, so guess where her interest will lean.
I believe she said he is a fisherman(although production manager now), considering, on the husband side that is the family business.

I believe she said he is a fisherman(although production manager now), considering, on the husband side that is the family business.


He works for BP and catching fish is his hobby.


Omg she just said nukular!

LOL..I heard that.

Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Obama is going to regret this one.

why in gods name would McCain put someone who has all the faults that McSame is slinging at Barak?????!??!????? /baffle

Wow, could you imagine the barbs that are going to fly if she did become VP? The only thing people would get upset about more than a female VP or President, would be an attractive female VP or President.

I'm thinking the Hillary supporters that would vote for a female candidate, won't vote for an attractive female. Call it the Katty Effecy.

Ok I was worng but is an operator that doesn't really say what his views are. Operators just operate hell I am an operator too and I know many people who are not into Big Oil who work for oil companies because it gives them a paycheck to support thier families.

why in gods name would McCain put someone who has all the faults that McSame is slinging at Barak?????!??!????? /baffle



LOL...because he is latching on to the making history thing. other than that I noticed McCain kept looking at her ass as she spoke.

Her speech was as pandering as expected, desperately going after the military and female vote. My first impression of her after listening to her speak is: vapid.

Joe Biden is going to eviscerate her in the debates

I'm thinking the Hillary supporters that would vote for a female candidate, won't vote for an attractive female. Call it the Katty Effecy.

Welp then they should have no problem with her. Something about her face is creepy as all hell, so horribly fake. The "I'm made of plastic" look isn't attractive.

Absolutely phenomenal choice by McCain....he now just destroyed any momentum Obama may have gotten from the DNC or his speech. He pleases the Evangelicals, of course, they were going to vote for him anyways though and may swing some women over with her "feminists for Life" affiliation. She cleaned up a lot of GOP corruption around the gas authority. Though I'm not a fan of many of her stands, her selection could create some new acronyms, VPILF and PILF. :devil

She's hardly vapid , I suspect the speech was thrown together so it lacked zing.

She has a solid rep as Gov of AK, buddy of mine that lives up there sings her praises ( as well as disses my cowboys due to him being a seahawks fan).

It's a good , interesting choice for McCain.

I don't see how it's a good choice seeing that they've been focusing on Obama's experience, and on a national level this lady has far less experience than Obama.

Yeah. McCain and Palin were both celebrating how she was a mayor just a couple years ago, while tossing her on the "Ready to Lead" train today.

"..."

Maybe she's great, but their speeches today were a joke after Obama's last night. I literally almost fell off the treadmill at one point while watching her's, I was so dumbfounded.

They are gonna get a bunch of ex hillary supporters though :(

You seem to have almost as low an opinion of Hillary supporters as McCain apparently does. I understand he is attempting to pander to that group thinking any woman will do, but I seriously doubt that there is that large a percentage of those 18 million that were voting for a vagina, rather than the candidate.

The number I've heard tossed around for that figure is 11% of Hillary voters Byl. Don't ask me where that number comes from, it's just what I heard.

So, all of her supporters in West VA, Alabama, Arkansas, and of course Alaska?

Hillary's supporters, with a very few overhyped exceptions, were much more swayed by her grit, her track record, and her plainer, more detail oriented, and less messianic manner of speaking, than whether or not she had a vagina. Speaking from my own experience at the precinct and district conventions in San Antonio, some of her strongest supporters were retired military guys who couldn't stomach four more years of abuse and mismanagement by the neocon-strangled GOP, but didn't see Obama as a viable choice due to the experience issue (and in some cases, that he had opposed the war in Iraq from the outset, rather than feeling that it has been mismanaged).

Among feminists of a certain age, like myself, we shared an additional sympathy with Hillary because she was the 'whole package' - whip smart, had had to fight in the trenches against discrimination like so many of us, and direct, forthright, and unencumbered by *artificial* 'feminine' affectations as she plowed on, asking no quarter and giving none, in those rainbow pantsuits. Our society tends to marginalize and devalue the contributions of women over 45 (as we're no longer lookers ;) ), ironically at the same time they are coming into their own and have a great deal to contribute; and it would have meant a great deal to many older women to have such a fine and deserving woman become Commander in Chief.

Choosing a VP candidate *primarily* because she has a vagina, thinking that 'it's all about the vagina' with Hillary supporters completely misses most of the deep-seated issues surrounding why many of us preferred her to Obama; the contest between Clinton and Obama really *was* about two different approaches to the problems we face, not so much in the content of what those actions might be, but in their motivations - the managerial versus the missionary, so to speak.

To trot out a young, female VP just *because* she's young and female shows a serious lack of understanding and a great deal of condescention, with regard to the vast majority of Hillary's 18 million supporters. We were kind of hoping for Kay Bailey Hutchinson, despite *her* age, here at my house - she has both the old school "Steel Magnolia" feminist street cred and an impressive legislative record.

Regards,
Nydia

I love this comment from a woman on a cnn comment below an article about Palin..

I fully agree, this woman's priorities are all screwed up...well I am the soccer mom that she is trying to get the attention of and let me tell you she got it. Her priorities should be with her four-month old baby with downs syndrome. Dragging him around the country confirms to me that she is not a responsible mom and this is one soccer mom that says...GO OBAMA!!

And here is palin in an interview a couple of months ago, before anyone knew...

“As for that V.P. talk all the time,” she told CNBC’s Larry Kudlow in late July, “I tell ya, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me: What is it exactly that the V.P. does every day?"

Wow.

How on earth is she going to debate Joe Biden on issues of foreign policy and come away looking even remotely capable?
"Governor Palin, can you please discuss the geopolitical impact of Russia's invasion of Georgia and if you think that might have a destabilizing effect on the region?"

This is going to be a bloodletting.

For some reason, McCain REALLY thinks the Hillary people are going to vote for him because he picked a woman Veep. Amazing. Amazingly fucking stupid.

Look, she seems like a great lady... but really, She is mom with a infant baby with Down's Syndrome. AT BEST, you are going to have an 80% campaigner.
And she has NO experience with the kind of media exposure she is going to have to endure for the next 65 days.
She was mayor of Wasilla Alaska (pop. 6,700) before being appointed to Lt. Governor in 2002.
She won her first term as Governor against a really weak candidate in Tony Knowles, a former Governor, who had recently lost a US Senate bid.

This pick makes no sense.

I think may sum it up though.
TomCole, (Head of the RNCC, in charge of Republican election efforts) a military history buff, likened McCain’s move to Gen. McArthur’s surprise attack on Inchon during the Korean War. “This is the political equivalent of Inchon!” he enthused. “McCain hit the Democrats exactly where they didn’t expect to be hit. ... The women in my office were high-fiving each other!”

(Helpful Historical Note: After Inchon, McCarthur was nearly wiped out by the Chinese army and was sacked by Harry Truman.)

It may come back to haunt them...but what is everyone (the media) talking about today?

Obama's Speech or McCain's choice?

It was actually both, when I was watching her speech. Putting them side by side just made it that much sadder.

Welp then they should have no problem with her. Something about her face is creepy as all hell, so horribly fake. The "I'm made of plastic" look isn't attractive.

Come on, you know if she had a "D" after her name, you'd want to show her your "Woodrow Wilson"....:devil

Yea.. because Hillary is soooooo hot.

cmon Sixee.

How about them Fox News babes though? They are pretty much facists... but..

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/Id-Hit-It/1/719-Fist_of_an_Angry_God.jpg

My first thought when I saw the announcement was "Who?" My second was... "Dan Quayle" (was going to mention that on the way out the door this morning but was late for work). I just got home from lab and the CNN commentators seem to be... flummoxed ;).

I can't imagine but that this selection has let the air of a lot of the GOP faithfuls' sails. All the anticipation of a shot at a real contest, complete with spirited VP debates between Biden and a Romney or Huckabee are gone, and sheesh, if he really wanted a woman on the ticket who could have put up a meaningful fight, how about M. Jodi Rell of Delaware? She has a well-documented record of having worked her way up the political ladder, is a bit of a maverick herself (has been involved in campaign finance reform, with McCain's support; he's also campaigned for her), comes from a 'blue' Northeastern state, and enjoys approval ratings in the 80% range...

This pick makes no sense whatsoever, especially considering that when one has an older candidate for president, the perception that the VP is capable of taking the reins should anything happen becomes a non-insignificant issue...

Regards,
Nydia

nookular...speaks volumes...nuff said!

It's almost like the people running his campaign are fucking with him.

Thought I would drop in and at least let you guys flam eme for awhile. It is clear nothing has changed here. Still a board full of members who willingly support terrorism agaisnt the United States. How nice. Now you Libtards get all bent out of shape because McCain makes a brilliant choice for his VP selection. All I hear from the Red Masses here is WAAAAAAAAA I'm jealous. Short on experience? Yes.. She has every bit as much experiance as Obama Bin Biden though who preached from his holy temple of Obamamopolis last night. I trust you all prostrated your self's before your televisions in holy reverence of your Messiah? This is going to be a great combination in the white house. An everyday working mother done good in the VP slot. Oh man what great support from the masses we shall garner! You might as well all continue on with your pathetic candidates because I wont bother reading the reply. Delete the post if you wish you as well. Makes no never mind to me. My faith in the Conservative Party has been renewed for the most part (there is that immigration issue still) and I will pull the lever for McCain/Palin '08 and with a happy heart continue forth for at least the next four years and watch progress in the Republican party AND America go forth as world leaders.

Lol!!!

Love you too Osg!

This pick is vintage McCain.

Palin will win a news cycle, quickly be obscured by Gustav, and be a long term failure as a pick. What we wound up with was the grumpy old guy and the charming creationist cheerleader. But let's be clear about what happened and why: McCain sensed he was going to lose and therefore threw the Hail Mary pass to try and win.
This was a tactical win and a strategic disaster. And all the pre-confirmation chatter was true. For all the 24-hour distraction, this is an unserious and lightweight choice which will not address any of the major and multiple problems this country faces.

See that part? Tactical Win/Strategic Disaster. Sound Familar?

Iraq, the surge. So obsessed with short term tactical moves, live the surge, that he cannot see the big picture.

I really can't wait for the first reporter to ask her if she believes in Creationism.
Oh yea.. totally Presidential material.

This is going to be a laugher by November.

Jodi Rell of Delaware

YO!
That's my boo. Here in Connecticut.

"Madam Vice President, we need you in the situation room. The President has suffered a fatal heart attack."

"Hang on, and let me get a sitter."


Seriously though, the late night hosts and political pundits and analysts and commentators across the board are no doubt salivating at the prospects now available for their wit.

Wrong or right, I anticipate some hard comments and questions coming her way regarding her infant son and the impact this campaigning will have on his young life.

I guess Kathleen Harris just wasn't available. Its a good think Harriet Myer... Err I mean Palin was home.

Remember Folks... Hillary supporters werent voting for a person with experience and grit and toughness.. they were voting for a Vagina!

McCain gots hisself a Vagina! Votes Please!

McCain/Vagina 08!

Meh, She has done a badass job as Governor here, I'd like to see how the debates go I think you'll be surprised.

This pick is vintage McCain.



See that part? Tactical Win/Strategic Disaster. Sound Familar?

Iraq, the surge. So obsessed with short term tactical moves, live the surge, that he cannot see the big picture.

I really can't wait for the first reporter to ask her if she believes in Creationism.
Oh yea.. totally Presidential material.

This is going to be a laugher by November.



YO!
That's my boo. Here in Connecticut.

Actually strategically speaking the surge did well. I know it's not cool to speak of Iraq in any good terms but you can't whitewash how well it's going.

More boots on the ground led to the Sunni's renewed confidence in helping rebuild as opposed to shooting at other Iraqi's.

Go ahead and flame on, I realize revisionist history is all the rage.

Actually strategically speaking the surge did well. I know it's not cool to speak of Iraq in any good terms but you can't whitewash how well it's going.

More boots on the ground led to the Sunni's renewed confidence in helping rebuild as opposed to shooting at other Iraqi's.

Go ahead and flame on, I realize revisionist history is all the rage.

Actually, the "Sunni awakening" started long before the surge, to say otherwise IS revisionist history. More boots on the ground works to a point, don't forget that suicide bombings and other attacks still happen on a daily basis in Iraq.
More boots on the ground was called for before we even invaded Iraq, Petraeus is no tactical or strategic genius, the ones who saw it before we even hit the ground are the geniuses but unfortunately Bush fired them WITH the support of McCain...don't forget that...please.

Sorry Fanny. Not buying it.

Wheres Osama? Whats happening in Afganistan?

The Surge is basically akin to pulling your car off the guardrail after you have smashed into it.

And with all that...how many of our young men and women were sacrificed so this could happen (http://www.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/08/30/iraq.china.oil.deal/index.html)


Wave that flag...

The point being made was that the surge was a short term attempt to address what will be a long term problem. And, that is the impression McCain is giving of his approach to problems and/or events; that he does not look long term but instead seeks a solution that makes things appear to be better right away, regardless of the reality of things.

The entire drilling debate is a great example, where he is saying drilling leases will solve the problem and lower gas prices; but, that is simple speculation of what could happen in terms of investors, dependent on whether the leases were actually put to use and drilling exploration were to take place. All the experts have been consistent that it would be 8 - 12 years before any actual production would commence from those leases that might impact the US and then only dependent on where those oil companies decide to sell the oil.

And, looking at that video of Palin speaking again a couple times, he really was scoping her backside out pretty intently. I wonder what Cindy had to say after watching that tape.

Definately a puzzeler of a pick. I don't wanna diminish what she has accomplished as a Governer. but Alaska is a very small state in terms of population. how well would she have done in a state like Florida? what may work well in AK. has little bearing in terms of a nation of 300 million.

And not to be left out of the sexist pig portion of this thread, Hell Yea! i'd tap that shit! when you get to be McCains age you need good visuals to along with the Viagra.

Alaska is a world unto itself much like Hawaii is. Alaska is full of some very different people, very adventourus and very libertarian. The rest of the country is not really even close to that. I would bet that, if on the ballot, Ron Paul would take Alaska hands down.

But Yeah the state is like a smaller mid size city in the lower 48.

However, Alaska is next to Russia (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/cindy-mccain-on-abc-today_b_122759.html)! And this ain't Steve Doocey!

Poor Cindy =(

Her place taken by a younger, more attractive woman who can do more for McCain. I guess she knows how Johnny Boy's first wife feels now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/palin-laughs-as-opponent_n_122776.html

Well, it's good to see McCain did such a great job of checking out his choice.

That article has some of the funniest quotes I've heard in a while. The best is from Palin's mother-in-law:I'm not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she's a woman and a conservative. Well, she's a better speaker than McCain

This is gonna be pretty ugly.

What a way to start out.

"Haha! We have you libs where we want you! Palin will do sooooo badly at the debate that Biden will humilate her, then we will go after him for being a bully! We R teh sarmts!"

This is gonna be pretty ugly.



And here is some more of the ugliness we will likely be treated to over the next few months.

http://stevekroll.net/sarah-palin-grandmother-scandal/sarah-palin/

There apparently are rumors that Trig, the infant son with Downs Syndrome, is actually the child of Palin's 16 year old daughter. How many news cycles are going to be getting eaten up by these stories? And, should there be an investigation which proves the story true what will that do to the ticket, and to the political future of Ms. Palin?

Yeah, Palin's child is gonna be a huge issue. I'm surprised he made that choice, I still think Romney would have been the way to go.

Anything that Biden or Obama say negative about Palin will bring screams of sexism from McCains campain and Rush Limbaugh.

And here is some more of the ugliness we will likely be treated to over the next few months.

http://stevekroll.net/sarah-palin-grandmother-scandal/sarah-palin/

There apparently are rumors that Trig, the infant son with Downs Syndrome, is actually the child of Palin's 16 year old daughter. How many news cycles are going to be getting eaten up by these stories? And, should there be an investigation which proves the story true what will that do to the ticket, and to the political future of Ms. Palin?

Meh. The pictures and info does make this situation seem very possible, but I need more then an article and a few pictures from a blogger that's getting way too worked up about it.

And if it is true? I wouldn't fault her for it. It's her family. In a conservative family and/or community, child pregnancy can be devastating. While I dunno if I'd agree with it, I do understand why it would be done and don't see how it's any of our fucking business.

I'm with DiscW on this one. The very same people that are trying to make up some story about her daughter are the same ones that bitched the loudest with the false rumors about Obama being a muslim came out. Pot.... Kettle anyone?

Edit: Oh well look there! After a little bit of fact checking it looks like the guy on the blog came back and said it wasn't possible. Whups!

Yea. This is "Baby isn't Palin's" horseshit is the left wing version the "Obama is a muslim" horseshit.

SOOOOOOOO much more to go after her on.

My only thing.. the thing that gives me a bit of pause as a parent.

She has a 4 month old Special Needs child. For the next 65 days she will be go go go go. 18 hours a day, non stop, constant travel. There is no more crucial time in a childs life. Yes, I guess she can leave the child with her daughters or her husband, but it just strikes me as...... meh.

Of course the story is crap! Just as the varied stories regarding Obama being Muslim and so many others were and will be.

The point is, this is the stuff already making it's way into the debate, in only a few days. So, what will the next couple of months be looking like?

With folks like Huffington, and the varied bloggers, there will be some Democratic swift-boating of Palin for sure. And it will all be done from outside the Obama campaign, and Obama will be hit by Limbaugh and Hannity for not stopping such "vile" attacks, as they do the very same to him and Biden and their wives.

This is going to be a very ugly final couple of months of campaigning.

On the plus side tho', Ron Paul has sold 9800 tickets at last count to his event in Minneapolis during the RNC's St Paul event.

Go Ron Go!

She has a 4 month old Special Needs child. For the next 65 days she will be go go go go. 18 hours a day, non stop, constant travel. There is no more crucial time in a childs life. Yes, I guess she can leave the child with her daughters or her husband, but it just strikes me as...... meh.Between this and McCain's marriages, I can't wait for the family values aspect of the debates. That tends to be more of a Republican card (wasn't that half the reason Clinton was vilified, prior to his purjury?), but they aren't going to have much to go on this time around.

Going to be fun watching the rightwing nutters twisting the family values platform to fit these two.
After reading a bit more on it the trooper scandal may loom larger than they think.

I really don't think so. Even if they had a tape of her saying "Fire that fucker!" The trooper in question repeatedly broke the law.

He tasered his kid, he was caught drinking and driving in his squad car, he was caught drinking and driving in his own car, etc etc. The guy should have never had a job. But thanks to the Blue SHield he kept it far longer than he ever should have.

As for the the safety commisioner, he serves at the Governor's pleasure. And it seems to me if he was allowing troopers to do shit like that, how many others were doing it? If I were governor I'd can his ass too, regardless of the family situation. This story is just another thing the libs are trying to make out to be much larger than it is. There is a reason she has an 80% approval rating. (and that was before she gave us money ;) )

Speaking of her daughter having a baby (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-my-daughter-is-preg_n_122947.html)...family values FTW!

wow.

Lol

Palin's husband has DWI arrest (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/01/palins-husband-has-dwi-arrest/)
Posted: 01:40 PM ET
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/09/01/art.todd.palin.cnn.jpg McCain and Sarah and Todd Palin campaigning in Washington, Pennsylvania.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif

ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) — A senior adviser to the McCain campaign confirmed Monday that Todd Palin, husband to Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, was arrested for driving while intoxicated in 1984.
"Yes, 24 years ago he had a DWI," senior McCain adviser Steve Schmidt told reporters in St. Paul.
Schmidt was asked if he was worried about the news, and replied, “I was not.”
The story was first reported (http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/436411.aspx)by David Brody, a CNN contributor and Christian Broadcasting Network News Senior National Correspondent.

Speaking of her daughter having a baby (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-my-daughter-is-preg_n_122947.html)...family values FTW!I suppose that's one way to show exactly where you stand on abortion? A rather complicated way to make the point though. :D

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/gop-pollsters-focus-group_n_122935.html


I'm not sure the folks at Huffingtonpost will be receiving Christmas cards this year from the GOP folks. There are just too many stories being put out by them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/the-worst-vice-presidenti_b_122491.html

The second link reveals Palin's job as a Mayor may not have been all that fulfilling, experience-wise:

"Do you know what the first two "powers and duties" are for the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska? Check their municipal code:

1. Preside at council meetings. The mayor may take part in the discussion of matters before the council, but may not vote, except that the mayor may vote in the case of a tie;


2. Act as ceremonial head of the city;"


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-directed-stevens-ex_n_122973.html

And, more of a link to the "corrupt" Ted Stevens than she wanted to reveal, I think. Surprising history for such an anti-corruption politician.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/saving-the-gop-and-the-un_b_122948.html

So how many hookers has her husband drowned Jedd? A lot fewer than Ted Kennedy I bet.

So how many hookers has her husband drowned Jedd? A lot fewer than Ted Kennedy I bet.

Keep talking about Ted Kennedy, sad though that he has done more for this country then you ever will, yet you can't keep your mouth shut.

Elemak, my friend is that really the best you can muster as a bash against the Dems? really man. that shit is so old you might as well start bitching about the unjust internment of Japanese Americans by FDR who was ZOMG another Democrat!

I hope you also realize that the accusations of tasering children, drinking on the job etc. have been leveled by Palins father. not what I would call a credible source.( he might be right but his intimacy in the case reflects negatively on on credibility).

Small town Alaskan politics is about to get body slammed into the national mud. not so sure Palin will emerge from that looking quite so pretty.

I'm sure Palin made a good mayor of a small town, there are thousands of those all over the US, and I'm sure that as governor of a state with a very small population that she has indeed ripped at the corruption that is Alaskan politics. But at what price to her family?

The judgement of McCain is really what this is about and within that argument lies the judgement of Sarah Palin, just take a serious look at the circumstances surrounding the birth of her last child. Is it good judgement to take a plane for 8 hours and then a 45 minute trip by car after your water breaks? I've only seen childbirth through the eyes of a father, of 4 kids, but I have a pretty good grasp of what is not good judgement in a pretty cut and dry situation and her judgement in that situation was greatly lacking, she took an unnecessary gamble that she was just lucky enough that worked out.

She will not withstand the scrutiny of a national campaign, I think that is becoming very obvious.

How long before she finds a reason to withdraw from the campaign?

This whole thing is getting better by the minute, day 4 of her being picked by McCain and look! (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/palin_was_a_director_of_embatt.html)

It's also been proven that she really didn't oppose the bridge to nowhere she just wouldn't pay for it with state funds but was all for it with federal funds.

This is getting better for Obama every day!

Oh and a DUI from 24 years ago isn't old news? My point being, if you want to dredge shit up from that far in the past, you can't go throwing stones in that glass house of yours.

That and the allegations were from part of the trooper report that was published in the local newspaper. Whups! there goes that one. And the Drinking and driving, yet again from another trooper report... The guy is a shitbag and never should have stayed on with the troopers nearly as long as he did. They are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Dude, it's way beyond the trooper issue, and if DUI's mattered which in this case it was her husbands, both Bush and Cheney wouldn't be in office.

This woman might be supremely qualified as a Mayor and moderately qualified as a governor but she is in no way qualified to be on a national ticket let alone being on that ticket if elected. Just stop and think...I mean come on you're a smart guy.

Hmm

It seems Sarah Palin was also a member of a fringe group in Alaska looking to break away from the United States.

"Country First" Indeed!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

Awesome pick..... FOR OBAMA! Can she render any more of McCains attacks useless?

http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2008/08/30/12/172-SED_G0831_7BABIN0831.standalone.prod_affiliate.4.j pg

...just take a serious look at the circumstances surrounding the birth of her last child. Is it good judgement to take a plane for 8 hours and then a 45 minute trip by car after your water breaks? I've only seen childbirth through the eyes of a father, of 4 kids, but I have a pretty good grasp of what is not good judgement in a pretty cut and dry situation and her judgement in that situation was greatly lacking, she took an unnecessary gamble that she was just lucky enough that worked out.
Relating to the above, found this on another forum that explains that pretty well (though the misspelling at the end irked me :)):

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4628/sarahpalinla4.png

This whole thing is getting better by the minute, day 4 of her being picked by McCain and look! (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/palin_was_a_director_of_embatt.html)

It's also been proven that she really didn't oppose the bridge to nowhere she just wouldn't pay for it with state funds but was all for it with federal funds.

I had already pointed that association out Rover, but it is good seeing another source than Huffington.

http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2008/08/30/12/172-SED_G0831_7BABIN0831.standalone.prod_affiliate.4.j pg

That is friggin' hilarious, San!

It is now rumored that there are emails that have surfaced in the investigation of her and they do no good for her, she is slimy as they come it seems just like Ted Stevens who it now comes out she was/is a huge supporter of.

Speaking of her daughter having a baby (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-my-daughter-is-preg_n_122947.html)...family values FTW!

Looks like the head in sand "abstinence-only" education that Palin likes worked real well.

Man, why couldn't you post all of this today? We're out on the lake, and my dad asks me, "So, what do you think of Palin?" And I only had a few negatives, other than avoiding doing my, "Yay! It's great for Obama!" dance. My dad went on and on about how great and pure she is, especially compared to that "liar and fraud Biden!"

By the way, he doesn't like Biden because Biden has always been wrong. When I asked what about, his response was that Biden had always been against the war, and was always wrong. Under threat of a sharp kick from my wife, I did not press the conversation.

You know, it's almost like this whole Palin thing is a big set-up, like it's designed to have her throw in the towel and withdraw from the campaign which then the "Rovians" could scream that the Democrats are a bunch of sexist anti-woman who don't want women in power.

We must remember these guys were geared up to run against Hillary and Obama winning the nomination basically shot their well laid plans to hell...all that money spent and now their target is off the radar...an odd but plausible theory.

Why would this woman put her 17 year old pregnant daughter through this...so much for her values, it seems they are based in furthering her political aspirations.

LOL look at the huffington post's front page...

WHAT DID HE KNOW......
AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT...... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/day-of-stunning-palin-dis_n_123065.html)

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/36884/thumbs/r-MACP-huge.jpg (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/day-of-stunning-palin-dis_n_123065.html)
... TOP GOP GOVERNOR: I'VE HEARD NO DISCUSSION ABOUT REMOVING MS. PALIN FROM THE TICKET ...

(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/top-republican-governor-h_n_123057.html) 'Fringe' Alaskan Secessionist Party: Palin Was A Member... (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html) Almost Recalled As Mayor... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-schmeltzer/palin-almost-recalled-as_b_122769.html)Directed Fundraising For Indicted Senator's 527... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-directed-stevens-ex_n_122973.html)Troopergate Scandal... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-trooper-scandal-cou_n_122903.html)Calls Iraq A War For Oil... (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/31/palin-iraq-is-a-war-for-oil/)Admits She Hasn't 'Really Focused On Iraq'... (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/palin-surge-wha.html)Alaska National Guard General: Palin Plays No Role In National Defense... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/alaska-national-guard-gen_n_122860.html)17 Year-Old Daughter Pregnant... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-my-daughter-is-preg_n_122947.html)
READ MORE AT HUFFPOST'S SARAH PALIN BIG NEWS PAGE (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/sarah-palin)

LOLOLOL

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Top Republican Governor Has Heard No Talk Of Removing Palin From The Ticket

That pretty much sums it up...any takers on how long before she's gone?

Be very afraid of McCain blaming Obama for running a dirty campaign and then bringing in Jindal!

Puffy vid was funny.

Guess now that he said it, its all over. He gonna get the vote out. Just like last time.

From http://eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com/2006/07/2006-gubernatorial-candidate.html

11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

Winner

She actually thinks the Pledge of Allegiance was around when the founding fathers were around, not to mention the Under God part in it?
Oh my head hurts, it was written in 1892 and didnt even become the national pledge til 1923 and the Under God part was added on in 1954.

I thought Mccain was nuts before, But sheez, hes lost it totally on this pick for his VP. Out of all the well experienced and established Republican women he could have picked (Kay Baily Hutchinson etc...), He went with this? Someone who only the Religious Right fanitics seem to love the most? He not only has sold his soul, hes sold whats left of his mind to become president.
Thats beyond reckless, at his age and his bouts with cancer, he really could kick the bucket in the next 4 years and leave us with this mess in the making.

Reading about what she said about not letting her teen daughters get an abortion, even if they got Raped. Oh, thats nice for all the women in the country to know. You get Raped, and get pregant from it, You get to be forced to have it. Yup, thats gonna go over well with those Hillary Clinton Supporters, when they get a whiff of that lol.

Im hearing people like Cindy Mccain and Fox news going on about how she has Foriegn Policy Experiance, cause Alaska is near Russia. WTF lol

And Whats this im hearing, that she was part of some party in alaska that wanted to breakaway from the united states and be there own country? what the hell is that about lol.

Well one things for sure, Abstinace only, isnt practiced in there family, even though its what they believe and preach.

The more i read about her the more my head hits the desk.

their = people - there = places

She actually thinks the Pledge of Allegiance was around when the founding fathers were around, not to mention the Under God part in it?
Oh my head hurts, it was written in 1892 and didnt even become the national pledge til 1923 and the Under God part was added on in 1954.

I thought Mccain was nuts before, But sheez, hes lost it totally on this pick for his VP. Out of all the well experienced and established Republican women he could have picked (Kay Baily Hutchinson etc...), He went with this? Someone who only the Religious Right fanitics seem to love the most? He not only has sold his soul, hes sold whats left of his mind to become president.
Thats beyond reckless, at his age and his bouts with cancer, he really could kick the bucket in the next 4 years and leave us with this mess in the making.

Reading about what she said about not letting her teen daughters get an abortion, even if they got Raped. Oh, thats nice for all the women in the country to know. You get Raped, and get pregant from it, You get to be forced to have it. Yup, thats gonna go over well with those Hillary Clinton Supporters, when they get a whiff of that lol.

Im hearing people like Cindy Mccain and Fox news going on about how she has Foriegn Policy Experiance, cause Alaska is near Russia. WTF lol

And Whats this im hearing, that she was part of some party in alaska that wanted to breakaway from the united states and be there own country? what the hell is that about lol.

Well one things for sure, Abstinace only, isnt practiced in there family, even though its what they believe and preach.

The more i read about her the more my head hits the desk.

Does Vek know you stole his signature move?;P

Puffy vid was funny.

Guess now that he said it, its all over. He gonna get the vote out. Just like last time.And here I thought my respect for P-Diddy had hit an all time low. I couldn't sit through the whole video. It was funny, but barely even coherent.

Ciroc is some good shit though! But yeah I didn't make it through the audio for the whole video, no way in hell was I going to watch my screen spin for 5 minutes though, so I stopped watching and tried to listen for a while.

Incoherent babble.

Incoherent babble

Maybe he's angling to be McCains VP. he'd fit right in.

Agree or disagree with Carville's views, you've gotta love the guy. He's hilarious.

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What was that wipe there in the middle? a commercial break? And who is the other lady yapping in the background?

He definitely summed it up well.

And, Michelle Bachman continues to be an embarrassment to Minnesota, making some of the most asinine comments in that interview I could imagine. She is obviously just as clueless as McCain and Palin.

She accused Carville of "demeaning" women for citing Palin's resume.

She claimed that Palin was against the bridge to nowhere, which is false.

Her biggest recommendation for Palin is that she sold the previous Governors airplane on E-Bay; and, follows that up with a statement that Palin got where she is on her own without riding anyone else's coattails.

She also made some kind of weird comparison, saying Palin is much better qualified than the woman who spent her life running for President. I have no idea what she was talking about there, but that is typical Bachman.

Maybe the Democrats asked Larry King to get her on opposite Carville, knowing how ridiculous she would come off. :rolleyes:

Wow.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/02/1327574.aspx

Jesus!

Agree or disagree with Carville's views, you've gotta love the guy. He's hilarious.

I love his look of "what the fuck is she talking about?"

Wow.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/02/1327574.aspxFor the conservatives, I'm not seeing how that's a bad thing. One thing Palin did help with was to bring in the fundamentalist crowd, and Bush said the same things during his first go around.

What the hell is going on with Palin?

She hasn't even been seen for 2 days and has canceled all of her appearances, events and interviews.

NONE of this is going away until she steps in front of some cameras and is interviewed. They will just keep reporting it and reporting it and reporting it. This convention fast turning into a disaster of epic proportions.

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Worst political appointment since Caligula appointed his horse to the Roman Senate.

This is good too.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_scrubbing_car_wash.html

She can't even run a CAR WASH! How the fuck is she supposed to lead a country???

This is hillarious. yes indeed mister McCain the election is apparently is about judgement.
I put more thought into the porn i wanna watch than he did in his VP choice.

So, here's an idle thought that popped into my head when the various articles about McCain defending his "vetting" process came out.

Maybe the reason he's chosen Palin is that after doing the vetting, and discovering all the potential things that could/would come out about all the candidates on his list, Palin had the fewest "campaign-detrimental" items out of the list.

Just a thought.

Makes me wonder why the Washington Post seems to be the most vocal about her.

Vocal? You make it seem like this all opinion.

Palin is a disaster. If Obama picked someone as ridiculously unqualified and unvetted as McCains pick they would be doing THE EXACT SAME THING. Im not sure who that would be.... maybe Bat Boy or something.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_JMFM__XdmG8/SFnI4ecH7hI/AAAAAAAAAJE/6yfRGw1fruY/s320/mergedbatboy2.gif

I know its horrible and painful to watch the national media just rip this person to shreds, but don't blame them.... THATS THEIR JOB. Thats what they are meant for, that is why we have a free press.

Blame McCain for making such a horrendous choice. She wasn't ready, he should have know that before throwing her into the arena.

Maybe the reason he's chosen Palin is that after doing the vetting, and discovering all the potential things that could/would come out about all the candidates on his list, Palin had the fewest "campaign-detrimental" items out of the list.Huffingtons suggested that as well, saying that her lack of experience meant that she was one of the least tarnished Republicans. It was a leftist jab, but still funny to toss around at work today.

Meh, except for the fact half of it has turned out to be nothing more than dumbass rumor. I geuss my problem isn't that they're tearing into her. I expected that. It's all the personal attacks based off bullshit that everyone was bitching about with Obama (the whole OMG he's a muslim! etc etc) But now it's suddenly ok. And in the same breath they call her a hipocrite...


My point in all this being, lets stick to politics, who gives a shit if her daughter got herself knocked up. For all we know one of Obama's daughters will when they get old enough. The fact of the matter is it has nothing to do with politics.

What I don't get is when people are all sorts of fucking shocked to find out she's a bible thumper. Uh hell-fucking-o old news. Yet somehow this is something shocking!

And holy shit, she tries to live her religion and encourages the people she worships with to pray for support with the projects she supports.! The insanity of it all, oh my god let's run around like chickens with our heads cut off.

People have lost their minds when it comes to American politics. I still have hopes with Obama, I just worry that with Biden we're just getting another 4 more years of democratic apathy. Thanks Congress btw for not doing a damn thing you said you would!

The thing that makes me angriest about the whole McCain/Palin ticket. Is McCain is on it. That crazy old bastard has lost touch with reality, (and I'm not talking about his VP choice I think that might be the one thing that saves his campaign, and may end up being a truely brilliant move. And if he loses well we get our governor back and you all can go to hell). GEtting back to my rambling point.

I don't like McCain he has no clue wtf is going on, I'm afraid that his ass will have my ass in Iran inside 3 years. But, I'm also afraid that Obama's change will be the same change promised by Pelosi. Which means exactly zero.

She wasn't ready, he should have know that before throwing her into the arena.

Not only should McCain have known better, Palin should have known better. She is no different than any other republican at that convention, she has every skeleton falling out of her political closet and the least of it is her family issues.

My point in all this being, lets stick to politics, who gives a shit if her daughter got herself knocked up.

If only she would adopt that same policy when desiring to meddle in our private lives, huh?

Meh, except for the fact half of it has turned out to be nothing more than dumbass rumor. I geuss my problem isn't that they're tearing into her. I expected that. It's all the personal attacks based off bullshit that everyone was bitching about with Obama (the whole OMG he's a muslim! etc etc) But now it's suddenly ok. And in the same breath they call her a hipocrite...

My point in all this being, lets stick to politics, who gives a shit if her daughter got herself knocked up. For all we know one of Obama's daughters will when they get old enough. The fact of the matter is it has nothing to do with politics.

What I don't get is when people are all sorts of fucking shocked to find out she's a bible thumper. Uh hell-fucking-o old news. Yet somehow this is something shocking!

And holy shit, she tries to live her religion and encourages the people she worships with to pray for support with the projects she supports.! The insanity of it all, oh my god let's run around like chickens with our heads cut off.

People have lost their minds when it comes to American politics. I still have hopes with Obama, I just worry that with Biden we're just getting another 4 more years of democratic apathy. Thanks Congress btw for not doing a damn thing you said you would!

The thing that makes me angriest about the whole McCain/Palin ticket. Is McCain is on it. That crazy old bastard has lost touch with reality, (and I'm not talking about his VP choice I think that might be the one thing that saves his campaign, and may end up being a truely brilliant move. And if he loses well we get our governor back and you all can go to hell). GEtting back to my rambling point.

I don't like McCain he has no clue wtf is going on, I'm afraid that his ass will have my ass in Iran inside 3 years. But, I'm also afraid that Obama's change will be the same change promised by Pelosi. Which means exactly zero.

I'll agree with you, that her child shouldn't be the big story. You can easily argue that the preaching of only abstinence got her family into the mess its in, but that's (thank god) not going to be a national policy regardless of who wins the election.

Her being Christian isn't, though her belief in creationism despite scientific fact is scary ... but not the big story either.

Her being an arguably horrible mother by neglecting her already challenged child by selfishly pursuing the Vice Presidency is however relevant.

Her being an ignoramus and not believing in global warming is relevant.

Her having only left the country once in her entire life is relevant.

Her having only been interviewed for 15 minutes prior to getting offered the job is relevant.

How can you be critical of a man who has been a US Senator and State Senator for years, etc etc when it comes to experience then put forth a mayor of boonieville and Governor of a state flooded with money for less than 2 years as someone who will take over for the OLDEST Presidential candidate ever? There is a lot about McCain I like, though President Palin is so fucking scary I can't even begin. I'll probably have night sweats if he gets elected.

I'll agree with you, that her child shouldn't be the big story. You can easily argue that the preaching of only abstinence got her family into the mess its in, but that's (thank god) not going to be a national policy regardless of who wins the election.

Her being Christian isn't, though her belief in creationism despite scientific fact is scary ... but not the big story either.

Her being an arguably horrible mother by neglecting her already challenged child by selfishly pursuing the Vice Presidency is however relevant.

Her being an ignoramus and not believing in global warming is relevant.

Her having only left the country once in her entire life is relevant.

Her having only been interviewed for 15 minutes prior to getting offered the job is relevant.

How can you be critical of a man who has been a US Senator and State Senator for years, etc etc when it comes to experience then put forth a mayor of boonieville and Governor of a state flooded with money for less than 2 years as someone who will take over for the OLDEST Presidential candidate ever? There is a lot about McCain I like, though President Palin is so fucking scary I can't even begin. I'll probably have night sweats if he gets elected.

You forgot how relevant it is that she was part of a group which wanted Alaska to declare its independence from the United States... Country First indeed!

The details about her are fair game if for nothing else than it points to the type of judgment we can expect from McCain. NPR quoted someone who's name I didn't catch interviewing McCain, where he said he makes decisions quickly and faster than most people, and because of that he makes a lot of mistakes and owns up to them. Soooo.....the difference between him and Bush is down to him at least admitting to his mistakes? Palin was a bad choice, and a really odd decision. It's very likely that she didn't know what she was getting into, due to her lack of experience. Alaska is a different world than the rest of the country.

Heh, Moe Rocca (sp) on Jay Leno just commented that McCain found his Veep on e-Harmony. Fitting, somehow.

Heh, Moe Rocca (sp) on Jay Leno just commented that McCain found his Veep on e-Harmony. Fitting, somehow.

Having used e-harmony quite successfully I find this offensive, I don't want it tarnished with McCain or this bimbo.

You forgot how relevant it is that she was part of a group which wanted Alaska to declare its independence from the United States... Country First indeed!

Jedd didn't you at one point also say if the US invaded your homeland you would go back there to defend it?

Seems that sometimes people think a certain way that might be viewed as extreme then later change their minds when common sense and logic prevails.

Jedd didn't you at one point also say if the US invaded your homeland you would go back there to defend it?

Seems that sometimes people think a certain way that might be viewed as extreme then later change their minds when common sense and logic prevails.

First of all I never said I would go and defend Iran. I said I would never fight in the US Army against Iran in a offensive war. Only if Iran was on American soil attacking would I fight against them.

And Second...Am I running for vice president?

You however have just whether you intended to or not, done what the GOP does CONSTANTLY. Become hypocrites when it fits the agenda. It is ok because we all make decisions and then change our minds. If the Republicans really felt this way, then they would have no problems with the following.

Obama went to that church for 20 years, and then changed his mind and didn't agree with its message.
John Edwards cheated on his wife, and then changed his mind and realized it was wrong.
Joe Biden voted to authorize the war in Iraq and then changed his mind and realized it was the wrong thing to do.
John Kerry wasn't flip flopping, he just changed his mind.

I never said changing your mind was a bad thing. And John Kerry's mind changing happened daily that's why he got the flip flop Championship Title.

The irony of all this is people like you keep trying to lump me in with the GOP. Like I'm some sort of Right wing nutjob. I'll have you know I'm my own brand of nutjob thank you very fucking much. And my nutjobness tends to vote more towards the middle than you might think.

I'm still on the fence over who I am going to vote for.

John McCain is a candidate I'm pretty sure I know what he'll do. I don't like a lot of it but at least I have a good idea what I'm getting in to.

Barack Obama has a great message, and I really want to believe him and his quest for change, I really do. However his contempraries promised us change, and all I got was a lousy T-shirt from Iraq.

One thing i do see, is a lot of middle class American backlash against the media and the liberals. The way they're attackign Sarah Palin (justified or not) is damn near disgusting. And think a lot of those middle class moms that McCain is trying to woo are going to flock to him. The question is will the masses of them outweigh the masses wanting "change"?

And as an aside I remember you saying things like "I'll defend my homeland" in fact I even at one point posted a poll to find out which way would be the best method for "taking care of you" if you decided to become an enemy combatant against the US.

I never said changing your mind was a bad thing. And John Kerry's mind changing happened daily that's why he got the flip flop Championship Title.

The irony of all this is people like you keep trying to lump me in with the GOP. Like I'm some sort of Right wing nutjob. I'll have you know I'm my own brand of nutjob thank you very fucking much. And my nutjobness tends to vote more towards the middle than you might think.

I'm still on the fence over who I am going to vote for.

John McCain is a candidate I'm pretty sure I know what he'll do. I don't like a lot of it but at least I have a good idea what I'm getting in to.

Barack Obama has a great message, and I really want to believe him and his quest for change, I really do. However his contempraries promised us change, and all I got was a lousy T-shirt from Iraq.

One thing i do see, is a lot of middle class American backlash against the media and the liberals. The way they're attackign Sarah Palin (justified or not) is damn near disgusting. And think a lot of those middle class moms that McCain is trying to woo are going to flock to him. The question is will the masses of them outweigh the masses wanting "change"?

And as an aside I remember you saying things like "I'll defend my homeland" in fact I even at one point posted a poll to find out which way would be the best method for "taking care of you" if you decided to become an enemy combatant against the US.

Notice I posted that whether you intended to or not you sounded the way I was implying you sounded.

I did not assume that you were republican or even voting republican.

Palin is getting no worse then Obama got, and if you think its a problem, then maybe you should have been saying the same thing here when Obama was being treated exactly the same.

At least Obama was elected by over 20 million Americans. We are being force fed Palin, therefore every single possible aspect of her life should be on that tv screen for us to see.

You are also mistaking ignorant idiots painting me as a terrorist and unpatriotic for my beliefs claiming that I would fight for Iran, as me saying I will. Never have I said such a thing.

I would back Iran verbally in any offensive war we take part in, as I believe in justice. I would never fight against the USA, and would only fight for her, if she were in jeopardy. Any poll you made was probably because you and those ignorant idiots were one in the same? I dunno. You tell me!

Palin is getting no worse then Obama got, and if you think its a problem, then maybe you should have been saying the same thing here when Obama was being treated exactly the same.

I did, it still angers me that some people are so retarded that they still believe Obama is a muslim (as though that should matter)

Neither of them, nor their families deserve the vitriolic bullshit that the media is stooping to these days. They're so desperate to get that big breaking story they make shit up, and failing that they try to turn inconsequential things into outrageous castasrophes.

I am so tired of the media I could punch a baby in the face.

As an aside I wish I could go back and search the old forums, because I remember you saying it, you were as hot headed then as I was. At the time I was still very angry about the attacks against my nation, and had lumped myself in with the large group of people that thought the only good muslim was a dead one. But again further proof that logic, and common sense can overcome youth and stupidity.

You keep saying the media is making stuff up.

What has the media made up about Sarah Palin that is not true?

If Palin is the great choice all the GOP speakers keeping trying to tell us, why are they spending more time defending her than on listing her many accomplishments which showcase her experience as a potential leader of the free world?

Well, if she's the tough-as-nails bastion of girl power that they keep claiming, this should be a great opportunity for her to shine, right?

It now turns out that many of the "rumored" things about her vetting being done on the quick are now being admitted by the McCain campaign.

Call it the "liberal media" as being mean to her but take a serious look at how this was done. This was so obviously not a choice made by McCain but by the backroom republican Rove people. Also it wasn't the liberal media that came out with the OMG her 17 year old daughter is pregnant it was the McCain campaign that came out with that.

Call it the "liberal media" as being mean to her but take a serious look at how this was done. This was so obviously not a choice made by McCain but by the backroom republican Rove people. Also it wasn't the liberal media that came out with the OMG her 17 year old daughter is pregnant it was the McCain campaign that came out with that.And I'm not convinced McCain and Company new about the pregnancy before she was selected.

The media should be critical. We apparently weren't critical enough during the last election. While no 17 year old should be paraded around in the media spotlight, this speaks volumes to Palin's judgment dragging her daughter into the spotlight. We're not talking about PTA president, we're talking about the leader of a nation who has recently show a disposition for invading sovereign countries. Veep is a heart attack away from that position, and McCain's judgement isn't looking to sharp either. If this is how he picks a running mate, think of what we have to look forward to if he is elected.

I think it's rather funny as some of you must either not be parents or aren't parents of teenagers.

A 17 year old, by in large , is an adult with minor training wheels. There is no way a parent can control them to the extent some of you seem to be suggesting ;P

Palin having a 17 year old daughter who made the unfortunate mistake so many others makes humanizes Palin to me.

I'm not voting for the ticket but it's hardly the big evil some of you are ascribing to it.

I think it's rather funny as some of you must either not be parents or aren't parents of teenagers.

A 17 year old, by in large , is an adult with minor training wheels. There is no way a parent can control them to the extent some of you seem to be suggesting ;P

Palin having a 17 year old daughter who made the unfortunate mistake so many others makes humanizes Palin to me.

I'm not voting for the ticket but it's hardly the big evil some of you are ascribing to it.

But it does show that Palin's policy of teaching only abstinence doesn't even work in her own household.

Neither of them, nor their families deserve the vitriolic bullshit that the media is stooping to these days. They're so desperate to get that big breaking story they make shit up, and failing that they try to turn inconsequential things into outrageous castasrophes.

I am so tired of the media I could punch a baby in the face.

http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=1153

When the Politico mis-reported that Edwards was leaving the campaign, despite having a source - the journalist that reported it was fired, even though it was a fairly minor mistake in the grand scheme of things. Making things up is very dangerous and when proven wrong leads to massive lawsuits which will almost always lead to the reporter losing their job and the paper/network taking a huge loss

No, actually it shows her daughter still has free will.

You can preach it all you wish, but in the end it's up to the individual to make the choice ( bad choice in my opinion, but I don't have to live with it).

My own 16.5 year old son is abstaining, not merely due to my constant harping but mainly because he knows he's not ready to shoulder the responsibility.

No, actually it shows her daughter still has free will.

You can preach it all you wish, but in the end it's up to the individual to make the choice ( bad choice in my opinion, but I don't have to live with it).

My own 16.5 year old son is abstaining, not merely due to my constant harping but mainly because he knows he's not ready to shoulder the responsibility.

Your 16.5 year old son is abstaining through girls not being willing to put out, more likely ;)

The problem with that being the only train of thought is that when they hit 17, 17.5, 18 and have their prom ... having never planned ahead they go into it without a condom or any form of birth control and start growing a critter farm in their pubic regions.

Though why are we still discussing this. Why not discuss how scary the fact that McCain probably will die in office (72 years old, survived 3 plane crashes, four melanomas, 5 years as POW, and refusal to release new information about his health history from 2000 to the present) and a woman who has only been outside the country once and wants Alaska to be its own country will be our leader? If that doesn't give you the heebie jeebies, nothing will.

Your 16.5 year old son is abstaining through girls not being willing to put out, more likely ;)

The problem with that being the only train of thought is that when they hit 17, 17.5, 18 and have their prom ... having never planned ahead they go into it without a condom or any form of birth control and start growing a critter farm in their pubic regions.

Though why are we still discussing this. Why not discuss how scary the fact that McCain probably will die in office (72 years old, survived 3 plane crashes, four melanomas, 5 years as POW, and refusal to release new information about his health history from 2000 to the present) and a woman who has only been outside the country once and wants Alaska to be its own country will be our leader? If that doesn't give you the heebie jeebies, nothing will.

We live in Utah, no shortage of aggressive young women here ;P

My kid knows if he makes the mistake his fun days are over as I'll make sure he's working full time as well as finishing school.

p.s. Already said I'm not voting for this ticket ;P

No, actually it shows her daughter still has free will.

You can preach it all you wish, but in the end it's up to the individual to make the choice ( bad choice in my opinion, but I don't have to live with it).

My own 16.5 year old son is abstaining, not merely due to my constant harping but mainly because he knows he's not ready to shoulder the responsibility.

Her daughters free will discredits her beliefs.

Her daughters free will discredits her beliefs.

No Jedd, that's bullshit.

As a non parent I can see where you'd think you control your children to that degree. You don't, at 17 they are by in large their own adults.

The problem is, Palin sees this as the only acceptable way that schools should teach sex ed/birth control. Sure her kid has free will. I'm not denying that AT ALL. What I'm saying is, she is putting her energy into a policy that I'm sure we can all see here doesn't work. If it doesn't work in a household of a very strong proponent of the policy, it's not going to work in a household that doesn't prescribe to that policy even more so.

To me it helps show that Palin's judgment isn't great. It's not against the daughter at all, it's against the policies that Palin stands for, and that IS something that's important to the campaign.

Biden is polling 54% to Palin's 41% already, and its her convention ...

Your 16.5 year old son is abstaining through girls not being willing to put out, more likely ;)



Abstinence isn't supposed to work, yet that would be a clear example that it could? Girls would have to "put out" for it not to work.

For the record, I think both abstinence and birth control should be taught.

Why not discuss how scary the fact that McCain probably will die in office (72 years old, survived 3 plane crashes, four melanomas, 5 years as POW, and refusal to release new information about his health history from 2000 to the present) and a woman who has only been outside the country once and wants Alaska to be its own country will be our leader?
Those are definitely the more relivant issues at hand, rather than the pregnant daughter.

Abstinence isn't supposed to work, yet that would be a clear example that it could? Girls would have to "put out" for it not to work.

For the record, I think both abstinence and birth control should be taught.


Those are definitely the more relivant issues at hand, rather than the pregnant daughter.

I agree those are more relevant issues, but that doesn't make the pregnancy a complete non-issue when looking at decisions that Palin has made and opinions she holds on what should and shouldn't be taught.

Just because something else is MORE of an issue doesn't make a different item a complete non-issue. It just makes it less important. All the issues go into the whole though of why I feel this is a bad decision by McCain.

It was Palin's campaign people who brought out the pregnant daughter issue, they are the ones who put that girl on stage. Fandros is right, once in their teen years kids become much less controllable. I'm certain she didn't raise her daughter to get pregnant at 17, that being said as much as a testament her 4 month old child is to the abortion issue it is also a testament to the sex ed and birth control issue is to teen pregnancy.

the issues, as I see it, with Palin are:

1) She is far from a reformer, she simply went after politicians who opposed her policies and she won. That is a testament to "every dog has its day"

2) There are some serious questions of her ethics with not only the state trooper issue but also with her business dealings.

3) In todays world the person who is a heartbeat away from the presidency needs to be a bit more worldly and a bit less reliant on religious rhetoric.

4) Her going on the ticket is definately not the choice of McCain and that is blatantly obvious.

3) In todays world the person who is a heartbeat away from the presidency needs to be a bit more worldly and a bit less reliant on religious rhetoric.

She could be our own Ahmadinejad!

Palinadinejad?!

A Republican Governor that supports McCain just said on msnbc in an interview


"When you look at her record, When you look at her family, when you look at what she has done, it shows she is ready."

Therefore they just used her FAMILY as one of the reasons she is ready. Doesn't that mean we have a right to care about what her family does and has done?

It was Palin's campaign people who brought out the pregnant daughter issue, they are the ones who put that girl on stage. Fandros is right, once in their teen years kids become much less controllable. I'm certain she didn't raise her daughter to get pregnant at 17, that being said as much as a testament her 4 month old child is to the abortion issue it is also a testament to the sex ed and birth control issue is to teen pregnancy.

the issues, as I see it, with Palin are:

1) She is far from a reformer, she simply went after politicians who opposed her policies and she won. That is a testament to "every dog has its day"

2) There are some serious questions of her ethics with not only the state trooper issue but also with her business dealings.

3) In todays world the person who is a heartbeat away from the presidency needs to be a bit more worldly and a bit less reliant on religious rhetoric.

4) Her going on the ticket is definately not the choice of McCain and that is blatantly obvious.

Are you suggesting in this day and age that a 17 year old in unaware of the use of protection? ;P

The girl made her own choice, Palin didn't muck up that choice for her.

A Republican Governor that supports McCain just said on msnbc in an interview


"When you look at her record, When you look at her family, when you look at what she has done, it shows she is ready."

Therefore they just used her FAMILY as one of the reasons she is ready. Doesn't that mean we have a right to care about what her family does and has done?

Not if you are going to listen to the man , Obama, that you've placed on a very high idolistic pedestal.

Obama said her family was off limits, are you now saying Obama is wrong? Ready to change your vote? Or simply unwilling to listen to him?

Not if you are going to listen to the man , Obama, that you've placed on a very high idolistic pedestal.

Obama said her family was off limits, are you now saying Obama is wrong? Ready to change your vote? Or simply unwilling to listen to him?

Obama doesn't control me. Answer the question, if they make her family a positive in her readiness to lead, shouldn't we be able to question that readiness and examine her family for reasons to do so?

Are you suggesting in this day and age that a 17 year old in unaware of the use of protection? ;P

The girl made her own choice, Palin didn't muck up that choice for her.

The situation is directly relevant, as it provides a glimpse into the fantasy land Palin's world view is rooted in.

You're worried about her daughter? You should be more worried about the thousands of young girls that Palin would subject to the same miseducation if she had her way.

Are you suggesting in this day and age that a 17 year old in unaware of the use of protection? ;P

The girl made her own choice, Palin didn't muck up that choice for her.


Obviously Palin was to busy being in politics and while her husband was away on the north slope looking for oil guess what her daughter was doing at home. The same thing I was trying to get my girlfriend to do when I was 17 and her parents were'nt home.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,284198.story

McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, has chosen Palin as his running mate, touting her as a reformer just like him.

McCain has made opposition to pork-barrel spending a central theme of his 2008 campaign. "Earmarking deprives federal agencies of scarce resources, at the whim of individual members of Congress," McCain has said.

But records show that Palin -- first as mayor of Wasilla and recently as governor of Alaska -- was far from shy about pursuing tens of millions in earmarks for her town, her region and her state.

This year, Palin, who has been governor for nearly 22 months, defended earmarking as a vital part of the legislative system. "The federal budget, in its various manifestations, is incredibly important to us, and congressional earmarks are one aspect of this relationship," she wrote in a newspaper column.

In 2001, McCain's list of spending that had been approved without the normal budget scrutiny included a $500,000 earmark for a public transportation project in Wasilla. The Arizona senator targeted $1 million in a 2002 spending bill for an emergency communications center in town -- one that local law enforcement has said is redundant and creates confusion.

McCain also criticized $450,000 set aside for an agricultural processing facility in Wasilla that was requested during Palin's tenure as mayor and cleared Congress soon after she left office in 2002. The funding was provided to help direct locally grown produce to schools, prisons and other government institutions, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan watchdog group.

Wasilla received $11.9 million in earmarks from 2000 to 2003. The results of this spending are very apparent today. (The town also benefited from $15 million in federal funds to promote regional rail transportation.)

Well, hopefully they can manage to get on the same page by, um, tonight...

The more we hear about her policies the more I wonder if she was always intended as a paper target till they got their real choice inline.

Though I wholeheartedly agree, her daughter shouldn't be in the public spotlight.....just who put her there? That's rhetorical btw.

Her daughter being pregnant only has bearing on the totally naive abstinence policy. That is a very religious household with a parent that is in the public spotlight..>>AND IT DIDN'T WORK<<. How the hell is it going to work in families with out the strong religious affiliation? Again Rhetorical.

I said initially I though this choice was brilliant...I stand by that only in regards to timing and genitalia. It got the spotlight off Obama after, what was supposed to be his paramount moment. Unfortunately that spotlight has fallen on someone with so much more inexperienced than Obama AND that has some serious skeletons, that it's starting to look like a totally stupid move. This casts many doubts on what a McCain presidency would be like if he is this short sighted, and careless he was in this choice.

LOL...WOW...so this is what the party people really think of Palin as a potential VP (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/peggy-noonan-mike-murphy_n_123647.html).

Listen carefully to what they say about Kay Bailey Hutchison

LOL loving this!!!

The McCain campaign has won!!!

Everybody is talking about bullshit related to his Veep pick and her family issues and qualifications, and the GOP are now taking the role of the sympathetic ones, being unjustly nitpicked.

McCain was losing because of the racist subtext of his campaign, and now he has totally quashed that discussion while everyone is talking about whether the Dems and media are being sexist in their "attacks" on Palin and her poor little daughter.

Misdirection ftw! Another example of McCain's "surge" thinking; find a short-term solution, without any due consideration given to the long term outcomes.

If people are not capable of sticking to an issues driven discussion/debate this campaign is going to be a toss-up.

Regardless of Palin, the country loses if McCain wins the vote. And he has made it clear he is more concerned about being President than pretty much anything else.

And he has made it clear he is more concerned about being President than pretty much anything else.

Curious how this differs from any other president candidate?

But on a semi side issue. I think its funny how the pick is doing what I feel it was actually intended to do, galvanize the far right who for most part looked at McCain as a moderate almost dem. Look how people like Focus on Family now supports him which they didnt untill this. (yes I know they crazy and evil to most here).

And yet only hear about her family, she is stupid (beauty queen), only picked to get Hillary vote, and stuff like that. In real world I live in its ammazing to see how my Dem friends cant see this as only a Hillary ploy while any Rep friends now are excited about voting now and think they back in the game. Keep hearing about people who would of voted 3rd party who now will vote for McCain because of this.

But on a semi side issue. I think its funny how the pick is doing what I feel it was actually intended to do, galvanize the far right who for most part looked at McCain as a moderate almost dem. Look how people like Focus on Family now supports him which they didnt untill this. (yes I know they crazy and evil to most here).

I keep hearing people celebrate her as a draw to the evangelicals, but what sense does that make? Were they previously going to vote for Obama?

You might make the argument that they wouldn't have voted at all, but I find that hard to believe too. They would have come out to vote against Obama. You know, because all those email forwards convinced them that he's a Muslim.

Alot of the Christain right type people around me (my bro included) were for most part going to vote 3rd party. Sure that only like 20 votes but still it was pretty much same.

Just from people I talk to its not the anti Obama stuff. As my bro put it before this choice (he was voting for Burr or something, some guy who be lucky to get 1/2 percent) he was going to vote 3rd party to make a statement so in 2012 the party would take them serious again and not for granted. If he didnt vote they could pretend he didnt vote. But if a 3rd party got alot of votes it showed the party they were heading in wrong direction.

And again he my bro makes Dobbson look leftish but his idea of voting 3rd party is reflected by all the christain right type peeps i know. they want to make a statement. Even at the cost of the Supreme court (this my standard argument when yapping with my bro, this election will most likely decide the courts for next 20 years).

But as I say when talked to him right after the press confernce with VP he was voting McCain and excited they might win now (even that way today after the 4 days of silly attack from press).

Seems like they would have had to find out that Barr is a Libertarian before the election. They may have even figured out what the word meant and/or what his platform was.

At that point, they'd probably have voted for McCain anyway. We all know evangelicals turn green and queasy at the thought of personal liberties these days.

Massively overrated.

Evangelicals were going to vote for McCain anyway.. everyone knew it. They were going to stamp their feet and hold their breath, but at the end of the day, they were going to vote Republican.

Does it mean more energy in the campaign? Yea.. prolly. But there is still a massive deficit compared to Obamas campaign.

I really don't see any way that McCain can win this. Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy are right. Its Over.

Ya L2 I know you been saying that exact line for months now. Its over.

And again ignore me just saying what I see. Seem to be surrounded by actual people affected by this. Aint something I read about on blogs and stuff. But sure.

To ones I know (maybe they weirder than most or saner or what ever) McCain = Obama as far as they were concerned. McCain been wishy washy on what they prob concider their biggest point (abortion).

And ya my bro is nutty. Best fun had was when I looked dude up and asked "So your voting Commy?" made my nephew laugh.

If I thought it was close, id say so.

Obama has a lead, and he isnt going to let it go, and McCain has no real way of catching him.

Bush 2004 probably maxed out what was the highest possibility for a Republican Candidate. He hit on all cylinders with every major demographic and raked in 62,000,000 votes. But that Republican base hasn't expanded in any way. As a matter of fact it has probably eroded quite a bit with whatever Hispanic vote they had bled away.

The Democrats have expanded their voting potential quite a bit. The Democratic Primaries show massively expanded numbers of people voting from a few different demographics.

Obama made the field bigger. The old models and ideas of splitting the country 50/50
are no longer relevant. The old Split is still going to be 50/50, but while McCain, at best, can hopefully retain Bushes numbers, Obama adds another 10% in his expanded demographic reach.

McCain cannot make up that ground and he knows it. So what the entire strategy from the McCain camp is to bring Obamas numbers down, since he cant raise his own any more than they are.

They problem is that Obama can outspend McCain. Negative advertising only works when you can outspend your opponent. Otherwise he just matches your ads and nullifies the effect. The Obama campaign is responding to every single McCain ad within 24 hours of release.

All Obama has to do is make a stalemate on everything McCain tries because the numbers favor him to a great degree. He doesnt have to win anything, or make any grand moves. He just has to do what he is doing, stay steady and dont make any stupid mistakes.

McCain knows he has to do something however. So he is going to take lots of risks. Odds are he is going to crap out at some point.

LOl...watching this convention is like watching every speaker read the same script. The one really interesting fact is that the speech that Palin will give was written 3 weeks ago for a male candidate and it was actually gone over to make it less masculine. The real question is who is the puppeteer that is really in charge.

So since Obama gonna win by 60-40 why till this week have the mighty polls been so close?

Up till this week all polls have been withing the +/-. (and with all the nutty neg media this week its sad this only week).

For months close to years we have been told by liberal/progressive what ever you wanna be called that "Its Over". If it was over polls would say so. Wouldnt they? But again as i say I heard this EXACT same stuff in 2004. So ya its over.

Just funny to me, always has been and always will. Either way we lose this year but lets cheer em on with tears in our eyes.

It's funny. I hear most McCain supporters say, "Either way we lose this year." Obama supporters seem to genuinely support their candidate. To me that's telling.

Man... I don't know guys, I might have to vote for Palin... err I mean McCain

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2008/09/custom_1220381941522_palin.jpg

come on, don't fall for the photoshop shit.

Well, she's up and speaking about her family now, and her husband is a champion snowmobiler! And her daughters were named after planes (Bristol, Willow, Piper) ;) And special needs parents are... special! What leadership, what inspiration, I'm... speechless :)

She is wearing an Israeli Flag Lapel Pin... NO AMERICAN ONE??? OMG!

She is trying soooo hard.

Its so cute!

Do people really believe this stuff that they are saying?

Why is it that the daily show seems to be the only source pointing out the hypocrisy that is the republican convention and campaign staffers?

So since Obama gonna win by 60-40 why till this week have the mighty polls been so close?

Up till this week all polls have been withing the +/-.




You must have missed the many discussions already regarding the fact that the polls are not reaching folks without land lines. A large number of minority voters have only cell phones, and in many cases those are the prepaid type. They do not show up on the pollsters radar to contact for fun question/answer sessions.

And so, the polls are not really a fair and accurate picture any more of the "general" voting public. Only of the voters they are able to contact. It is like conducting a poll between 6 and 9 at night, figuring most folks are at home; but, if half the people you are calling work the 3 - 11 shift, you are going to get a skewed result.

Well, she's up and speaking about her family now, and her husband is a champion snowmobiler! And her daughters were named after planes (Bristol, Willow, Piper) ;) And special needs parents are... special! What leadership, what inspiration, I'm... speechless :)


And here I was going to give her props for being a fan of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer". :rolleyes:

And here I was going to give her props for being a fan of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer". :rolleyes:

I was thinking she was a wrasslin fan! Roddy Rowdy Piper!

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3640/israelipinlu9.th.png (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=israelipinlu9.png)

AHHA, so the truth is out! she's really a Mossad Agent and her pick as a VP canditate is really the product of a secret Mossad/VC sleeper agent program carried out in the dark depths of the Hanoi Hilton.

“I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment,” Palin said.

You mean like your running mate, mr. 20+ years in congress?

you sure that's not a blue star pin for her son? kinda low res photo

“I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment,” Palin said.

You mean like your running mate, mr. 20+ years in congress?


You know Phelonius, this is just sexism on your part and you are forgetting that before McCain spent 20+ years in congress he spent 5 1/2 years in North Vietnam. Where are your moral values don't you realize she has a special needs child that lives near russia but because of that this kid has foreign policy experience and as far as her daughter and being pregnant it was her daughters decision to keep the child but there is no reason that other woman should have that same choice because McCain was a POW along with Palins executive experience which the liberal media is destroying due to her moose hunting and time spent as commander in chief of the Alaska national guard.

you sure that's not a blue star pin for her son? kinda low res photo

She has multiple Flags of Israel in her office, and has been seen with the Israeli Lapel pin in the past, as well as a red star pin such as the blue star one you mentioned.

Looked like an Israeli flag to me as I saw it live and noticed it from the start. I could be wrong, but It looked like it from what I saw of it. I noticed her husband and father also wearing it.

Does living near Canada also count on foreign policy experience?

Don't forget, she is also a Hockey mom, which means she has detailed Zamboni experience. She also knows more about the melting of the polar ice caps due to this closeness to Ice.

http://www.librarian.net/stax/2366/sarah-palin-vp-nominee/

[Former Wasilla mayor] Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. “She asked the library how she could go about banning books,” he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. “The librarian was aghast.” The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn’t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving “full support” to the mayor.

Book banning, always good. Pissing off librarians is also a good choice.

http://www.librarian.net/stax/2366/sarah-palin-vp-nominee/



Book banning, always good. Pissing off librarians is also a good choice.Whoa, that right there should be a huge vote swinging point. A Veep has lots of time to screw with issues like book banning, as well. I was only mildly disliking her before, that just killed any opinion I had. Now I know why our school librarian was muttering under her breath about Palin.

Like Elemak, I think that pin was a service pin. The fact that other members of her immediate family were wearing ones would probably support that.

Yeah, I think it's definitely just one of these: http://www.serviceflags.com/servicelapelpin.htm

You bunch of lying fucking sacks of shit.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=184086

I laugh and get angry at the same time.

Where are your moral values don't you realize she has a special needs child that lives near russia but because of that this kid has foreign policy experience and as far as her daughter and being pregnant it was her daughters decision to keep the child but there is no reason that other woman should have that same choice because McCain was a POW along with Palins executive experience which the liberal media is destroying due to her moose hunting and time spent as commander in chief of the Alaska national guard.

Congratulations. I think this is the longest, run-on sentence, evah! Punctuation is your friend. I have literally, no idea the point you are trying to make, because of it.

:devil

Congratulations. I think this is the longest, run-on sentence, evah! Punctuation is your friend. I have literally, no idea the point you are trying to make, because of it.

:devil


You're joking...right?

You bunch of lying fucking sacks of shit.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=184086

I laugh and get angry at the same time.


What angers me is that the only two people who seem to ask the real questions are Jon Stewart and Colbert....thank god for them.

I just can't believe what a bunch of FUCKING LIARS they are.

Karl Rove must yank his little 2 inch dick every night thinking about how he makes FOOLS of the American people.

What a piece of fucking shit.

The best summary that I've heard of the republican convention is by Howard Stern and Artie Lange.

I almost ran off of the road listening to it.

Karl Rove must yank his little 2 inch dick every night thinking about how he makes FOOLS of the American people.




You give him a lot of credit; at his age can he get aroused to the point of having two inches every night?

You bunch of lying fucking sacks of shit.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=184086

I laugh and get angry at the same time.
Wow, that was all kinds of awesome - everyone who can spare 5 minutes should watch that (even if you can only spare 2 minutes, just watch the first 2 minutes).

Local newspaper had a blown up picture, definitely a service star, not an israeli pin. Sorry Jedd you can't Godwin this one quite yet.

I liked the Palin speech.... it is the only one I watched and will watch of the whole convention :) dem or repub

I like her.

I liked the Palin speech.... it is the only one I watched and will watch of the whole convention :) dem or repub

I like her.

I like Edward James olmos, doesn't mean he makes a good vp

Mother...Moose Hunter...

I like Edward James olmos, doesn't mean he makes a good vp

Luckily for me She is :)

What are you guys worried about? Obamessiah has it won.........

Not worried... just disgusted with people like you :)

I can understand that Jedd.... the feeling is mutal but I just don't usually post it :)

I can understand that Jedd.... the feeling is mutal but I just don't usually post it :)

Just good to know I'm on the right side of history... How sad it must be for you :)

Yes my life is sooooo sad .. please pray to Allah for me....

What are you guys worried about? Obamessiah has it won.........

They left out the parts in the McCain film where Cindy was stealing the drugs from the charity and john was fucking her behind his wife's back.

They left out the parts in the McCain film where Cindy was stealing the drugs from the charity and john was fucking her behind his wife's back.


Well I would have watched that !!!

let me know when the redo it please :)

Yes my life is sooooo sad .. please pray to Allah for me....

Will do

Will do


Actually, pray to Obama for me :)

Actually, pray to Obama for me :)

As soon as you lick McCain's POW ass clean for him so he doesn't have to use the dollar bills cindy gave him to wipe it with.

oooh, a little venom... well I'm not a McCain fan. I defy you to search you little Islamic fingers off and find me backing McCain. I like Palin, I get to like who I want in this country and vote for who ever I want .... :) I'm gunna vote FOR SURE for McCain now just to piss you off.


This is going to be hilarious if the Repulicans win.... You better make about 50 more posts on the Ay.ro web site to be sure Obama wins ... quick start posting man!!!!

oooh, a little venom... well I'm not a McCain fan. I defy you to search you little Islamic fingers off and find me backing McCain. I like Palin, I get to like who I want in this country and vote for who ever I want .... :) I'm gunna vote FOR SURE for McCain now just to piss you off.


This is going to be hilarious if the Repulicans win.... You better make about 50 more posts on the Ay.ro web site to be sure Obama wins ... quick start posting man!!!!

Oooh where to begin.

1. You are an idiot for using your precious right to vote to piss someone off.
2. I am not Muslim
3. It will be sad and not hilarious if the republicans win.
4. You are a sad man :)

49 more to go !!!

You think you're a totally witty troll, we get it.

You're a totally witty troll, we get it.

Well thanks for the compliment. If you scroll up a few posts I said I liked the Veep.... I didn't knock anyone's choice... but my comment was quickly followed up by Jedd posting his usually retort....

If you have a problem with me DiscW bring it on in the FLEA league baby!!! I didn't even draft my team and I will whup you a new arse-hole on that virtual field !!!!!

BTW your post doesn't count as one of the 50. It has to be from Jedd... if you are getting in on that action you have to start your own count ! :)

Oooh where to begin.

1. You are an idiot for using your precious right to vote to piss someone off.
2. I am not Muslim
3. It will be sad and not hilarious if the republicans win.
4. You are a sad man :)


1. meh, its my vote I do with it as I wish
2. well played my good man, touche
3. Sad if the people choose who they want no matter who it is?
4. We covered this one already.

McCain's POW

Are you saying McCain was a POW?

Can we go back to the informative, semi-intelligent thread this was yesterday? There was actually something worthwhile being said here before.

Wow Bise.

Im glad people fight and die for your right to use your vote like a 6 year old.

Can we go back to the informative, semi-intelligent thread this was yesterday? There was actually something worthwhile being said here before.

Haven't you heard? This is just lively discussion (http://ayonae.com/showpost.php?p=148395&postcount=27).

Good to see the admin can be just as childish as jedd and bise. :rolleyes:

Hey, I was actually hoping you guys would prove me wrong. Doesn't look like that's going to happen though, does it?

Get the net! get the net! I think I hooked one!

Keep right on making my point for me!

Ok,

I hate you all!

+1 more for Sanchek's point

Haven't you heard? This is just lively discussion (http://ayonae.com/showpost.php?p=148395&postcount=27).

Hey, I was actually hoping you guys would prove me wrong. Doesn't look like that's going to happen though, does it?

If I ignore what people are actually asking for, and instead stop modding altogether, the forum will become filled with shit posts! And then I'll be able to tell them they were wrong!!

Please don't insult us with that shit sanchek.

Ah, how lively. Carry on.