akipt
03-29-2008, 12:29 AM
Typically when I'm on travel for a week and can't respond before Jedd runs away with the thread, I don't bother responding... but seriously, this almost reaches the absurdity of your 'I'd vote for Putin' post.
Putinista said...
Simply put. Melting Pot (http://dca.boozle.net/nuremburg.jpg) = Conformity. There is no more unAmerican concept in my mind. We are a Salad Bowl (http://www.epnewyork.com/landscape/little_italy_full.jpg), where we all retain our individuality and that makes the whole so much better.
In Melting Pot, we all lose our individual identities and become part of the whole. We throw away our old cultures and embrace the Nation. I know the idea of this has your nipples hard.. but calm down. It isnt the United States. And it never will be.And again, I typically let you construct whatever definition you deem to fit your universe at the time and let it pass (like when you call me a neo-con)... but then you said this:
France ascribes more to a melting pot theory, in that when you come to the France, you expected to embrace French Culture and French Ideals. Really? Where multiculturalism is a national policy?
And I don't recall Ralph Waldo Emerson talking about a salad bowl in the 1840's when talking about American culture and inter-marriages. Try smelting pot with no dressing.
“ Man is the most composite of all creatures.... Well, as in the old burning of the Temple at Corinth, by the melting and intermixture of silver and gold and other metals a new compound more precious than any, called Corinthian brass, was formed; so in this continent,--asylum of all nations,--the energy of Irish, Germans, Swedes, Poles, and Cossacks, and all the European tribes,--of the Africans, and of the Polynesians,--will construct a new race, a new religion, a new state, a new literature, which will be as vigorous as the new Europe which came out of the smelting-pot of the Dark Ages, or that which earlier emerged from the Pelasgic and Etruscan barbarism.”
—Ralph Waldo Emerson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Waldo_Emerson), journal entry, 1845, first published 1912 in Journals of Ralph Waldo Emerson with Annotations, Vol. IIV, 116If you got a problem with the language, take it up with him.. or this guy:"…whence came all these people? They are a mixture of English, Scotch, Irish, French, Dutch, Germans, and Swedes... What, then, is the American, this new man? He is neither a European nor the descendant of a European; hence that strange mixture of blood, which you will find in no other country. I could point out to you a family whose grandfather was an Englishman, whose wife was Dutch, whose son married a French woman, and whose present four sons have now four wives of different nations. He is an American, who, leaving behind him all his ancient prejudices and manners, receives new ones from the new mode of life he has embraced, the new government he obeys, and the new rank he holds. . . . The Americans were once scattered all over Europe; here they are incorporated into one of the finest systems of population which has ever appeared." − J. Hector St. John de Crevecoeur, Letters from an American Farmer.
Putinista said...
Simply put. Melting Pot (http://dca.boozle.net/nuremburg.jpg) = Conformity. There is no more unAmerican concept in my mind. We are a Salad Bowl (http://www.epnewyork.com/landscape/little_italy_full.jpg), where we all retain our individuality and that makes the whole so much better.
In Melting Pot, we all lose our individual identities and become part of the whole. We throw away our old cultures and embrace the Nation. I know the idea of this has your nipples hard.. but calm down. It isnt the United States. And it never will be.And again, I typically let you construct whatever definition you deem to fit your universe at the time and let it pass (like when you call me a neo-con)... but then you said this:
France ascribes more to a melting pot theory, in that when you come to the France, you expected to embrace French Culture and French Ideals. Really? Where multiculturalism is a national policy?
And I don't recall Ralph Waldo Emerson talking about a salad bowl in the 1840's when talking about American culture and inter-marriages. Try smelting pot with no dressing.
“ Man is the most composite of all creatures.... Well, as in the old burning of the Temple at Corinth, by the melting and intermixture of silver and gold and other metals a new compound more precious than any, called Corinthian brass, was formed; so in this continent,--asylum of all nations,--the energy of Irish, Germans, Swedes, Poles, and Cossacks, and all the European tribes,--of the Africans, and of the Polynesians,--will construct a new race, a new religion, a new state, a new literature, which will be as vigorous as the new Europe which came out of the smelting-pot of the Dark Ages, or that which earlier emerged from the Pelasgic and Etruscan barbarism.”
—Ralph Waldo Emerson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Waldo_Emerson), journal entry, 1845, first published 1912 in Journals of Ralph Waldo Emerson with Annotations, Vol. IIV, 116If you got a problem with the language, take it up with him.. or this guy:"…whence came all these people? They are a mixture of English, Scotch, Irish, French, Dutch, Germans, and Swedes... What, then, is the American, this new man? He is neither a European nor the descendant of a European; hence that strange mixture of blood, which you will find in no other country. I could point out to you a family whose grandfather was an Englishman, whose wife was Dutch, whose son married a French woman, and whose present four sons have now four wives of different nations. He is an American, who, leaving behind him all his ancient prejudices and manners, receives new ones from the new mode of life he has embraced, the new government he obeys, and the new rank he holds. . . . The Americans were once scattered all over Europe; here they are incorporated into one of the finest systems of population which has ever appeared." − J. Hector St. John de Crevecoeur, Letters from an American Farmer.