I just heard that Mexico has just passed a new law that will legalize all drugs (Marijuana, Coke and Herion) all for personel use only. I gotta believe the mexican government will profit considerably. I personally feel the war on drugs is a joke and the right to be stupid should be givin to each individual to decide so way to go Mexico. I also believe that alot of Americans will now take up permanent residence down in Mexico to become one with nature and tourism will increase considerably. Anyone care to give a take on the impacts this new law will have on Mexico and the U.S. Thanks

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060428/ts_nm/mexico_drugs_dc

Hmmm... so how are the recreational users supposed to get these drugs? Unless they can go to the Wal-Mart or Walgreens pharmacy and pick up a gram or 5.

Hmmm... so how are the recreational users supposed to get these drugs? Unless they can go to the Wal-Mart or Walgreens pharmacy and pick up a gram or 5.

For a start they could try 180th street in Manhattan or 210th near the elevated.

Both places were pretty well stocked up when I was last there a few years back.

Yea Grixxly nothing like a bunch of people hopped on coke driving around. There is lot more to it than saying its my choice. If its your choice, then you should have to pay for all the medical problems coke/herion causes people. Some people just dont get it. They want cheaper health insurance yet they think drugs like coke and herion should be legal. Your nuts.

drugs are already deeply ingrained into today's society, therefore your going to pay for it regardless if it's legal or not. I don't see your point, how will it cost anyone more in health care if drugs have already infested every street corner from mexico to America? At least mexico can tax it to pay for it!

Rape has infested every city in america, lets make it legal for people to do in their own homes and tax it!

Extreme yes, definitely not on the same playing field as drugs, but does it make my point? Yes.

Just because everyone is doing it, doesn't make it right.

My feelings on drug legalization are this:

I believe it is a personal choice to do drugs, I really don't think people sit around saying "I would love nothing more than to stick a needle full of heroin in my arm if it was legal". I think that those who are going to do drugs are going to do them be it legal or illegal.

That being said, my argument is, legalizing drugs would allow a better system of control by the forces that be. As an example if a bunch of 16 year olds are sitting around and make the decision to get high they go to a drug dealer who doesn't care how old they are, doesn't put much thought into the consequences of selling it to whoever has the cash, nor gives two shits about what happens to the kids when they do the crap.

If those same kids decided that they want to drink alcohol, they could raid their parents liquor cabinet (which I would think most parents would soon take notice) or they would need to find someone "of age" to buy it for them as most places would require them to show proper ID in order to make the purchase.

My point is, in the current scheme of things it is easier for a kid to buy drugs, which are illegal, than it is to buy a six pack of beer which is sold legally to anyone of age.

Simply making a substance illegal will have no effect on who does it. There is currently billions of dollars spent on not only enforcement but on rehab, emergency room visits, and all of the other crap associated with making drugs illegal. In effect, illegal equals "0" control. Legalizing it with limits placed on sales and consumption equals firm control.

And yes there is the revenue eqation to consider. Right now its a huge blackhole of spending with no effect. Legalizing it would at the least bring in revenue to place on treatment and enforcement of the control. Remember, right now YOU pay for the enforcement through income, property and sales tax, with legalization and taxing there is the chance that your tax dollars would be spent on something that has a positive affect.

We have all these people already doing drugs, so wtf, let's legalize them.


We have all these people entering the country illegally, so wtf, let's legalize them.


We have all these priests molesting boys, so wtf, let's leagalize them.


We have all these freaks doing drive-by shootings, so wtf, let's legalize them.


How far shall we go?

We have all these people already doing drugs, so wtf, let's legalize them.


We have all these people entering the country illegally, so wtf, let's legalize them.


We have all these priests molesting boys, so wtf, let's leagalize them.


We have all these freaks doing drive-by shootings, so wtf, let's legalize them.


How far shall we go?


I dont think there is a fair comparison with someone smoking a joint and someone molesting a child. Theres a huge dgree of difference.

many drive by shootings are a product of the illegality of drugs. Don't forget back during prohibition drive by shootings were all the rage. Alcohol prohibition was a very good lesson, one that unfortunately not many learned from.

For the record, I rarely drink and don't do any drugs. when I was discharged from the service my first "real" job was working for the Bergen County NJ Prosecutors Office Narcotics Task force. I spent many a day and night going after coke dealers, crackheads and dealers and heroin dealers. Believe me we didn't make a difference, it was nothing more than a cat and mouse game played between dope dealers with alot of money, users with no money and a bunch of civil service employees.

Rape has infested every city in america, lets make it legal for people to do in their own homes and tax it! Extreme yes, definitely not on the same playing field as drugs, but does it make my point? Yes.


Not really, because there is no victim of drug use (to be differentiated from drug abuse, which is easy to group with plenty of other legal activities with large potential detriments if done to extremes .. say online games or gambling or alcohol).

To put it another way, we pay something like $85 billion dollars per year that we are allowed to know about (part of the drug budget is black, meaning it is simply not reported in detail to anyone accountable to the public) to fight the "War on Drugs." The insurance premiums of everyone in America would have to be raised by about $350 a year be comparable to that tax burden, not that anyone with a history of serious drug use can even get real insurance. And that's not counting the benefit we'd gain in tax reductions by also not having to compete with drug funded crime -- I've seen some supposition by criminologists that up to 90% of all robberies in the US are drug-related in terms of money.

Regardless of your personal feelings on the issue, it is simply not practical or economically possible to legislate against something so many people want to do. You may be able to get away with it for a while, but it will eventually undermine your political process (already happened), create huge black markets (already happened), and bankrupt you (not very far off). Criminalizing murder is far easier since the people that don't do it for money are statistical noise .. or politicians.


Looking at the Mexican legal changes in a bit more depth, it's actually not that significant a change and seems like mostly a method to help fight the corrupting influence of drugs on the police. Drug trafficking is still illegal, and any dangerous amount of the listed substances is as well.

Looking at the Mexican legal changes in a bit more depth, it's actually not that significant a change and seems like mostly a method to help fight the corrupting influence of drugs on the police.

That is exactly the intent of the move, if one takes the optomistic/pragmatic view - it can also be viewed as Mexico beginning the move to simply give up on what, for them, is a lost cause, because narco money and influence has permeated every level of the government. To give you an idea of how bad the corruption associated with the drug cartels is here on the US/Mexico border (and I live here 5 blocks from the river, in Laredo), the largest of the three cartels that are currently warring for control of this port is composed of former Mexican Army special forces, using military equipment which they easily manage to steal (or import) via contacts, and the *entire* N.L. police force was sacked for corruption last September (after the new Police Chief was gunned down in public within seven hours of having taken his office - we've had two more rubbed out since). They have been trying to screen and rehire new police officers since last September, and of those 900+ former jobs, they got about 400 hired by January before having to fire almost all of *them* for corruption. Nuevo Laredo currently has 168 police officers serving a city of 600,000+, it's been under martial law, and even so, a murder a day or more is occurring in our sister city (we get daily reports of the bodies found in the river or on the outskirts of town in barrels, or gunned down in the street, with or without threatening messages carved into their bodies). Downtown, once a thriving tourist area, is a ghost town, with the businesses which had the money and contacts to relocate on the north side of the border having done so, and many people simply losing their livlihoods.

Simply put, Mexico has lost its 'war on drugs', and there is a global awareness on their side of the border that they can't afford anymore to waste time and money (and the lives of law enforcement, which is chronically underequipped and up against drug lords in armored Hummers packing rocket launchers, even here in NL) prosecuting the folks who are the source of the demand (and mom-and-pop supply, especially of marijuana).

It might behoove the folks who participated in the immigration debate (which I kept meaning to contribute to, but things have been very busy here) to know, btw, that Customs and Border Patrol officers are frequently busted for being on the 'take' to let both drugs and immigrants past the border and checkpoints, and that that menacing-looking black fence that Chertoff, the black helicopter guys, and the Marines posed in front of month before last is only a mile and a half long, goes nowhere, blocks nothing, none of the brush between it and the river was cleared, and it is made of the cheapest grade aluminum imaginable. I walked by it taking some students birding last week, and my hands, which can no longer hold a ceramic coffee cup (advanced arthritis), were able to bend the bars. I might also add that we were accosted by several bathers in the river who heckled my female students (we yelled our hellos back, they appeared harmless but there has been actual gunfire across the river of late, as you have probably heard), and I found several sets of abandoned (obviously wet at the time, wrinkled and matted) clothing alongside the river just down the hill from it as well :). It is my opinion that the current administration, all the sound and fury about immigration notwithstanding, would prefer to do nothing to stem the tide of downward wage pressure across the border, but that discussion belongs in another thread...

In my humble opinion, the "War on Drugs" has done nothing but greatly increased violence along the border, increased corruption in law enforcement and government (on both sides of the border), and provided justification for ever-spiralling law enforcement and military hardware budgets while providing nothing of value in return, and siphoning resources away from more deserving security concerns.

Regards,
Nydia

P.S. Hope everyone is well :)

P.P.S. It's also very common for the police here to 'shake down' individuals for bribe money (or to put people of opposing factions that they don't like in jail where they can be 'dealt' with) by planting narcotics on them, and so this should help with internal police corruption in this sense as well.

I also believe that alot of Americans will now take up permanent residence down in Mexico to become one with nature and tourism will increase considerably. Anyone care to give a take on the impacts this new law will have on Mexico and the U.S. Thanks

So all the stoner mexicans will stay in mexico and all the junkies in the US now have a safe haven to ply their trade.... and remove themselves from burdening our system.

Seems like a good thing to me.

As for it effecting the relationship at the border....well, if you legalize those particular drugs and thus create a mass regulated market where the price of the goods can then plunge due to there no longer being the high risk to drive high profit, then you create several senerios. One is jobs for Mexicans that perhaps may pay well enough to keep them in Mexico. Second is a ripe excuse for the US to completely crack down on the border to give further incentive to keep Mexicans.....and their cheap dope, in Mexico. In a way this move explains EVERYTHING going on with the immigration laws and the incentive to get those who want to be legal in and then cut the flow across the border off. One just doesn't wake up and say " Hey, I think I will legalize drugs today" on a whim. Our government and the Mexicans have probably been hashing this out for months if not years.

Still, cheap Mexican dope will still command a high profit in the States. The only way to stop that is to take away the high profit incentive....and legalize it in the US. Otherwise it is just like booze was during Prohibition.

I don't think you can compare alcohol and something like heroin or coke. The strength and quickness of the addiction hard drugs cause is on a much higher level than alcohol.

You can have a society of people that drink socially in their 20's and eventually move on to be productive. Compare that to making heroin widely available. Even with extensive rehab, the recovery rate for heroin addicts is single digit percentages.

Sanchek, its not the addiction I am bringing up the alcohol and Prohibition reference about. Its the fact that its something that people want that is illegal. Thus it brings about the rise of the whole underground means of producing, transporting, and distributing an illegal product that is in high demand and reaps huge profits for those that can either take the risks or manage the risks. Are the drug cartels really that far removed from the kind of organized crime that made people like Al Capone the legacy that he was? Prohibition wasn't repealed because people got tired of going to Speak Easys. It was because the cost of fighting the criminal empires created by Prohibition was too high in lives, money and overall public order.

Right, but you have to draw a line somewhere or there's no point even attempting to maintain law and order.

Why stop at heroin? Why not legalize assault rifles and anthrax. Sell them down at Home Depot.

Probably because there just is not that huge of a demand for anthrax and assault rifles because they are not addicting, habitual substances that can be used in a fairly inconspicous manner. Drugs tend to keep their customer base alive and spending where as anthrax if employed as a weapon tends to gain alot of notice and assault rifles tend to draw alot of attention to themselves when used for their actual designed purpose. AKA lots of dead people. Thus its fairly easy to ban their use. Drug use probably tends to kill alot more people than the other two, but so does smoking and booze which are A-OK by the government's book. Nothing short of throwing civil liberties right out the window will stop people from using drugs, tobacco and booze. If legal, the government can at least tax the snot out of it and perhaps use the proceeds to fund educational campaigns designed to ween the culture as a whole off of mind altering substances over the course of many, many years.

The thing is Sanchek, Assault rifles and anthrax are prone to damage other people than the ones who actually go buy them, not drugs.

Right becuase I'm sure every person who would use drugs like heroin, or coke is an upstanding responsible person that would never do anything wrong to hurt themselves or others.

I am on the fence though about legalizing drugs or at the very least take the felony out of the user and put stiffer penalties on the dealers.

I can tell you right now the only thing keeping many people from doing drugs like coke..is that it is ILLEGAL. I will be pretty truthful I loved snorting up a big o line of blow in my younger days but all the illegal bullshit involved with it...huge fines, felony, prison, loss of house ect.. not to mention blowing my heart apart.

So yes Rover people will use drugs just because it turns legal. Don't kid yourself and people using herion these days snort it..needles are in the past.
Hey honey head down to walgreens and pick me up an 8 ball for the weekend! I have a lot to do.

The thing is Sanchek, Assault rifles and anthrax are prone to damage other people than the ones who actually go buy them, not drugs.

Oh really? Ever been around someone strung out on Coke or whos been free basing for 4 days straight with no sleep. They are crazed lunatics..in fact many murders and rapes are caused by ..you guessed it someone high on drugs. So saying drugs do not hurt those around you jus the user is a very horrible assumption. The drugs themselves and the guns themselves are not doing the harm, its those using them.

Does anyone know the history of drugs? Weren't all drugs legal up until the 20's or 30's? Some very well known people in history would be considered drug addicts by today's standard. What happened that shifted drugs to become outlawed in the first place?

I'd like to add to the record that People will lie, cheat and steal to obtain illegal drugs, but how often do you hear about people breaking into someones home to steal something to get money to buy cigarettes with? And we all know how expensive and addictive cigarettes are. But they are LEGAL, and that is the difference. The war on drugs is what causes so much crime. Legalize drugs and all the problems in socieity will decline. By the way studies have proven that cigarette smoking is just as addictive as coke or herion. If cigarettes were illegal today people would be killing each other and dealing them just like drugs.

Drug use affects everyone, not just those that use them...

Your life free of drugs or anyone that uses is one of many open doors.

Using, or being forced to live around someone that uses is the sound of slamming doors.

To reiiterate...this is your life =====$$ love and prosperity...

this is your life on drugs ====communicating as grxxly does or wondering where the next syringe is coming from or trying to decide between the rent or a spoon full of fun...


Don't fool yourselves, legalizing hard drugs such as coke and heroiin will further destroy Mexico...as it would the US.

Fandros

Hey as long as the facts remain the facts that illegal Drugs can be obtained by any average citizen then I say legalize them, what's the difference? If that wasn't a strong fact, that anybody can go out and find there drug of choice, Then I'd agree drugs should be completely kept out of society but that isn't the case. So understanding that the drug laws don't effect drug use then why turn a blind eye to it and waste trillions of dollars fighting a winless war?

Come on, our last two presidents Clinton and Bush Jr. are admitted drug users, they turned out to be alright! Bush was arrested in 72' for coke and Clinton smoked pot!

Bottomline: Drugs are running rampant, so to say it would destroy this country is absolutely ridiculous because if it hasn't destroyed us yet it never will!

Does anyone know the history of drugs? Weren't all drugs legal up until the 20's or 30's? Some very well known people in history would be considered drug addicts by today's standard. What happened that shifted drugs to become outlawed in the first place?
Lets see. People like Freud. Coke head. My 90 year old granny tells me that cigarettes used to be touted for their "medicinal properties" back in the day. Coca Cola used to be named that for the former active ingredient...namely the coca part which is the unrefined coca leaf that makes up cocaine. Native American's gave us quite a few naturally occuring sustances to turn our minds into mush. The Germans and our own scientists filled in the gaps after. As far as the history of narcotic and mind altering drugs go, most back in the day were touted as cure alls pawned off by quacks for every ailment which really was a crock of bull. The elixers sold by snake oil salesmen made you feel good or numb so that what is really ravaging your body can continue to do so while you have the false sense of security of not feeling the pain of the ailment. They got you stoned without a hangover and made the pain go away. Others where part of religious ceremonies to bring your mind to an alternate plane of reality...which they did in a way. Did people touch the faces of their gods or ancestors? Who the fuck knows but the dope is telling my brain chemistry I am so it must be all good to believe its making me have some kind of transendental experience.

What changed? A growing population to trump up statistics and collide with the negative effects of drug use, the advent of science, and communication technology. If 100 people out of 1000 die of drugs...well thats 10% fatality rate. Kinda low. If you are talking even 5% die out of 500 million, well thats still 2.5 million people. Probably 5% is much lower than the national average more than likely as far as deaths go, but that is still 2.5 million people who can't pay taxes or vote or work. Back in the 1800s when the population was much smaller and the documentation was alot more localized and spotty, there was no way to compile such stastics to make an arguement that there is a trend and that the trend is that these drugs that were legal at the time were killing people. Death at the worst and at the least these legal substances were making junkies out of them that abandon their families and productive lives in an economically damaging way. Companies look for ways to curb losses that result from employees being unproductive after recieving costly training and the best way to do that is compile statistics of how one thing results in this much loss revenue and as a result that much lost tax money to the government. If the number wows the government enough, along with some sensational story in the mass media that pulls on the heart strings of the common man, such as "Cocaine destroyed my family", than you will have legislation against it.

Thats why these drugs are illegal. They originate in nature for the most part out of benign plants but when refined they mess you up and cost the government money...and more importantly...the tax payer who votes.

The thing is Sanchek, Assault rifles and anthrax are prone to damage other people than the ones who actually go buy them, not drugs.
My point wasn't to compare the items, but the fact that we've determined them to be dangerous to society and don't roll over and sell them at Wal-Mart just because some people break the laws.

So lets see. We make drugs legal. Now I don't only have to worry about the drunk drivers on the road, but I also have to worry about the assholes who are drugged outta their skulls, because now its 'legal'. Where as if its illegal, maybe these assholes will stay home and get stoned/high etc. Also while cigs and boze are legal, the number off addicts breaking into homes to get cash to buy this stuff is much less than the number of druggies doing it. Now if we legalize these highly addictive drugs whats going to keep people from getting hooked and when they reach the limit their pharmacy puts on the amount they can purchase where they going to turn? Higher demand for the substance. Someone will see that and become a supplier. You have to draw the line in the sand somewhere. And keeping it illegal is a good spot.

Yeah added revenue etc are arguements for. But it's not going to help because more people will be doing it, because now it's LEGAL, YAAH. If anything we will have people who cook your food, handle your finances, repair your vehicle/home, watch/teach your kids, high on something. Now this won't be the case everywhere, but it will increase the likelyhood of it happening. I don't know about you guys and gals out there, but I sure as hell don't want someone who is hopped up on drugs watching my kids.

First off you should be worried about the drug drivers on the road right now! They are out there...beleive it or not! This world is running rampant with drug users and you think because it's illegal all your concerns don't exist? You have to get real...wake up to realilty... there's a drug problem in this country! The other issue I see in your post is you don't see the connection between legal addictive drugs like cigarettes and booze, how they co-exist in society without any major backlash unlike illegal drugs! Now you admit that you don't see people having turf wars or drive-byes over a six pack or a cartoon but back in the 20's al capone was running moonshine and whacking more people then Tony sophranio when it was illegal. After booze was legalized things calmed down dramitcally and life went on around the alcoholics without the gang banging. Life still goes on today around the druggies but with all the gang banging! Why allow all the violence to exist unless there are other motives other then the good of all people.

You ask who would watch your kids or drives your local buses. Answer: Drug testing! There is nothing stopping anyone today from getting high and performing there job, I've read stories about dirty cops who partied like rock stars when they were on the job... so nothing is above anybody nowadays not even the babysitter!

I'm the one that needs to wake up to reality. Hello...I'm not saying they aren't out there now. I'm saying that it is very VERY likely that there are FEWER now than there would be if they are LEGALIZED. And I'm not saying Cigs and boze aren't addictive. I'm just saying that they aren't nearly as addictive as those drugs that are illegal now. And if someone is addicted what keeps them from doing it on the job? Cigs are the only one that is accepted in the workplace at this moment, and even that is starting to get limited. BTW I didn't say that there aren't druggies on the road now. I just said if drugs are illegal people will be less likely to be out and about doing drugs and will stay at home doing their illegal drugs, hence not having to drive anywhere. When driving you always have to worry about threats. Other drivers, pedestrians, fallen trees, rocks, potholes, a couch that fell off a truck.

If drugs are legal there will probably be a higher demand for them. If the government limits the amounts that people can use they are going to have a friend get them for them OR they will go to a drug dealer. More people will be hooked on drugs driving up demand, and someone has to supply that demand. If the government doesn't step into it and supply who do you think Joe Public will turn to? Yep you guessed it, your neighborhood drug dealer. BTW how many alcohol and Cig stores stands you have in your city/town? How long do you think it will take for Ye Ole Drugshoppes() to pop up on every corner?

Ok and as far as your drug testing, you want to take the ONLY plus to legalized drugs, added revenue, and institute drug testing? Who? How? When? and WHY??? Drugs (in your world) are LEGAL. Yeah I'm the one that needs a reality check. Too bad yours bounced. Tell ya what. Give Mexico 10 years of legalized drug use and then we will pick up this discussion again.

You people really ought to read the specifics of the new Mexican law before ranting about the imminent (and only slightly metaphorical) river of blood in the streets.

The Mexican law sounds to me like they're giving up, not that they think it's necessarily okay. They already had laws that allowed drug possession charges to be dropped if you could prove you're an addict and "needed" the drugs. Being closer to major sources of the stuff, they've been long overrun by it.

And we wonder why they're flocking North of the border to find a productive society to work in.

Malse if you are referring to this...
Under the legislation, police will not penalize people for possessing up to 5 grams of marijuana, 5 grams of opium, 25 milligrams of heroin or 500 milligrams of cocaine.

People caught with larger quantities of drugs will be treated as narcotics dealers and face increased jail terms under the plan.

Why should it be OK for users to not be prosecuted? Some people never use because of the consequences, though I like to think of it as just being smart enough to say 'NO'. 30 days in jail force placed rehab, not a bad deal. And if they aren't out in the streets demanding it, then the supply won't need to be there.
I only brought up the revenue thing because someone here said that would be the only plus. And the only way for legalized drugs to bring revenue would be for the government to be the supplier. Maybe I'm thinking worst case scenario, but I've never seen anything good come out of that crap. BTW that includes smoking and boze. It's not fun to watch family members die to that shit.

It has nothing to do with it being OK and everything to do with it being virtually IMPOSSIBLE to try to regulate casual use. The entire prison industry in the United States popped up in response to a huge increase in people in jail entirely for possession of minor amounts of narcotics. Mexico is probably even worse. The situation you describe of tons of habitual drug users has been true in both countries for decades and we survived it despite our best efforts to be an anti-productive as possible in combating it.

Most people who use drugs are never caught and never prosecuted, and the largest "criminal element" on the books in the country is casual drug users. What does that tell you about the number of people who succesfully manage not to kill everyone around them after a toke? The inane assault rifle comparision brought up earlier was comically germane precisely because if you turned the clock back about 15 years to when several states started legalizing concealed weapons by permit you got the exact same "END OF CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT" sort of rhetoric.

You can only legislate against reality for so long.

I'm sorry, but I'm not naive enough to think that drug use isn't a huge problem in America already. What I am saying though is if the legal consequeses are removed from the casual user the sheer number of casual users will increase, thus becoming a even larger problem. With many of them becoming the habitual users who do anything for that next fix. That is the issue I foresee. And the current reality is that drug use, even casual, is illegal.

I'm sorry, but I'm not naive enough to think that drug use isn't a huge problem in America already. What I am saying though is if the legal consequeses are removed from the casual user the sheer number of casual users will increase, thus becoming a even larger problem. With many of them becoming the habitual users who do anything for that next fix. That is the issue I foresee. And the current reality is that drug use, even casual, is illegal.

You are correct, drug use, distribution and all that go with it is a HUGE problem in America.

One big problem that is caused by its inability to be controlled due to the current laws is this:

The devastaing effects of open air drug markets can be witnessed first hand in the poorest neighborhoods of this country. Children recruited by drug dealers as mules, runners, lookouts. Innocent citizens caught in the crossfire of turf wars as the illegal dealers expand or protect their territory. Police officers killed or wounded on drug raids. Heroin and coke addicts overdosing or dying from crap cut with rat poison or powerful prescription drugs causing hardworking people to bear the brunt of their medical care...I could go on and on.

By legalizing and implementing controls on the sale of drugs it would end a huge amount of the crime we now see. That is a fact.

Right now there are millions of adults who many of you work with, go to your kids little league games and see, sit next to in church, people who for all purposes lead normal productive lives and they are casual drug users. They smoke weed, snort some coke every now and then, do whatever their drug of choice is. Most people are clueless to that fact of life.

There are probably a few people who use casually because they are afraid of getting arrested, but there are many more that don't use drugs just simply because they choose not to because they just simply have no interest in doing drugs.

If people need laws to stop them from doing drugs then its most certain they have an addiction problem and most likely they are experiencing some other type of addiction to a legal substance, either prescription pills or alcohol.

So yes Rover people will use drugs just because it turns legal. Don't kid yourself and people using herion these days snort it..needles are in the past.
Hey honey head down to walgreens and pick me up an 8 ball for the weekend! I have a lot to do.

Needles are far from in the past, the reason for "booting" heroin is the rush that comes with it, the rush does not come with snorting it.

The war on drugs is one of the most ignorant and plain crazy things bought hook line and sinker by the American people. Politicians have squandered billions of dollars, prisons are bursting at the seems, children are dying in the streets, cops are corrupted by the dollars. All for what? For a war that has been waged since Nixon took office, a war that has been shoved down our throats through Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, GH Bush, Clinton and GW Bush. We are no closer to winning the war than we were almost 40 years ago.

If people need laws to stop them from doing drugs then its most certain they have an addiction problem and most likely they are experiencing some other type of addiction to a legal substance, either prescription pills or alcohol.





So with this mentality, one would think that drunk driving laws have zero impact. People quit going out and drinking because they dont want to risk all the trouble asscoiated with drunk driving tickets, insurance costs, potential to harm someone..ect.

Take the laws away from the hard drugs and generations will grow up thinking its ok to use. I disagree with just about everything you state in your post other than the war on drugs is most deffinately USELESS.

So with this mentality, one would think that drunk driving laws have zero impact. People quit going out and drinking because they dont want to risk all the trouble asscoiated with drunk driving tickets, insurance costs, potential to harm someone..ect.

Drunk driving laws have an impact, thats no secret. What also has really had an impact with drunk driving are things like bartenders cutting people off or taking their keys and calling a taxi because they can be held liable for serving an intoxicated person and knowingly let them get into a vehicle.

When you are able to control legal distribution with both criminal and civil penalties to legal tax paying businesses that distribute the substance, that will definately have an impact, more so than the penalty to the driver. Someone who is "well lit" is usually retarded enough to think they can drive A-OK, thats a known fact.


Remember, drug dealers make huge amounts of money. In some cases they make millions of dollars a year, street level dealers in places like NY city can have incomes exceeding $100,000.00 per year and not one cent of it is taxed. Not one cent of it is reported as income. Not one cent of it can be proven to exist in a civil suit against that drug dealer. Their not buying stocks, futures or sticking it in the local bank. They have no provable liability because the person they sold it to went out and killed someone in a car accident etc...