Just out of curiousity how do you guys feel the mods are doing lately? Seems a lot of people are complaining of over modding. Hell even one mod thinks the other sandy pussy mod is taking it too far. I WONDER WHO THAT IS?! :D

Personally I think it has gotten a little ridiculous but maybe I just have a skewed point of view. It just seems there has been a lot less fun on the boards for a while. Whats your opinion?

Dear Buzya:

I think the mods have done a decent job of trying to take a 'middle road' as far as balancing the moderation recently - and as far as the issue of 'fun' goes, the RL forum has been much energized post-move to Vbulletin and I've been pleasantly surprised. As far as other areas of the board goes, I think that a big part of the reason for the wind-down in NAG is that there simply aren't very many people here who *play* EQ anymore (either that or their guilds have 'gag' orders in place) so that people don't bring nice juicy NAGs here like they used to much these days. I think it's moderation-neutral, so to speak...

On the 'level and consistency of moderation' issue, I don't see anything wrong with splitting threads and moving them to the Sandbox when they get too puerile/insulting - that is what the sandbox was created for - and I think that the bans enacted recently were justified. As far as the ban on advertising, that predates our move to Vbulletin and is one of the reasons that we're not inundated with spam. Overall, I think they've done a great job of balancing letting folks have their fun and keeping this a place that people would actually want to visit, and, really, since you guys pretty much have carte blanche to insult each other, is the moderation really that oppressive?

Regards,
Nydia

Well I got banned twice in 3 weeks for calling someone racist.

You didn't get banned on purpose the second time, and I noticed it and fixed it before you even said anything to me. I told you that clearly. Stop being a drama queen.

I noticed I was banned first actually, but ok fine then I was still banned for calling someone racist. Far less than others have done. Your explanation was "you had it coming" regardless after proving my case. Either way not much I can do about what has passed. Please to remove sand from your pussy.

either that or their guilds have 'gag' orders in placeMost of the guilds who are capable of pissing off mass quanities of people are not allowed to post here other than to sell merchandise.....which is most all guilds. They are socio-political organizations, complete with their own spin doctors and PR staff. Each has their own brand of bullshit they peddle.

Some do anyway but the posts will never be insulting or non politically correct or suggestive of anything that paints their guild in any light other than the nimbus of divinity from the gods that every guild has about it. No guild can ever EVER, do wrong. So, the end result is unlimited ability to do whatever they want, since if its not allowed to be discussed, than its a dead issue. Goes along with that whole if a tree falls in the woods but no one hears it...blah blah blah.

Sieg fuck'n Hiel, motherfuckers.

Dear Buzya:

I think the mods have done a decent job of trying to take a 'middle road' as far as balancing the moderation recently - and as far as the issue of 'fun' goes, the RL forum has been much energized post-move to Vbulletin and I've been pleasantly surprised. As far as other areas of the board goes, I think that a big part of the reason for the wind-down in NAG is that there simply aren't very many people here who *play* EQ anymore (either that or their guilds have 'gag' orders in place) so that people don't bring nice juicy NAGs here like they used to much these days. I think it's moderation-neutral, so to speak...

On the 'level and consistency of moderation' issue, I don't see anything wrong with splitting threads and moving them to the Sandbox when they get too puerile/insulting - that is what the sandbox was created for - and I think that the bans enacted recently were justified. As far as the ban on advertising, that predates our move to Vbulletin and is one of the reasons that we're not inundated with spam. Overall, I think they've done a great job of balancing letting folks have their fun and keeping this a place that people would actually want to visit, and, really, since you guys pretty much have carte blanche to insult each other, is the moderation really that oppressive?

Regards,
Nydia
Jesus what is this!? Let me run to the store and buy a fresh box of nose condoms for you too! I would not want you to become infected by nose to ass contact.

IMHO I think there is a bit too much modding. The people who like bitching and complaining astarting shit are eventualy banned tgus taking away our fun. For hte people who enjoy it that is. The people who hate juvinile content stear clear anyways.

I noticed I was banned first actually, but ok fine then I was still banned for calling someone racist. Far less than others have done. Your explanation was "you had it coming" regardless after proving my case. Either way not much I can do about what has passed. Please to remove sand from your pussy.
Reread the warning PM I guess. The ban had nothing to do with calling someone a racist. Looking over my AIM logs from you, you were definitely clear on why you got the warning at the time. I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about now.

Your "case" was to go on for 20 minutes about how it was really his fault for picking the username. Uh, right.

Let me just surf in my dead aim logs from 3 weeks ago cause I care THAT much, regardless. I still think it was a little ridiculous just my opinion though.

So, your point was that you didn't care enough to even pay attention to what you were banned for... Nor, did you care enough to remember your 20 minute conversation with me about it. Yet, you're still definitely sure it wasn't fair.

Just to refresh your memory, the ban on racist comments has always been aggressively enforced here. That long pre-dates any other kind of moderation changes we've had more recently.

No I Did pay attention, hence why I argued it 3 weeks ago. I still remember it to an extent, just not most of it. I remember then thinking it wasn't fair so I will still think that now.

I would not consider what I said being a racist comment though which was mainly my point. If I feel someone is racist I should be allowed to call them on it. I did not say (and dont ban me for this lol) "Fuck you nigger go be a slave" or anything like that. Just my 2 cents.

Hey Said The "n" Word! For the love of all things holy and right in this world, Kill!!! Must Kill!!! Die You Scum!:d

well.. saying a word he knows has such a provocative edge to it, in conjuction with having a man in Black face on his sig.
(by saying "dont ban me for this" is conciousness of guilt, and despite knowing he shouldnt say it, he does anyway. Like a little kid)
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/truth/racism.shtml (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/%7Ewwu/truth/racism.shtml)
add on top he has a problem with racial issues, as evidenced from his banning...
Then throw on top the fact that he has insanely low rep score.
And for good measure he uses these boards as a springboard for buying and selling accounts..
Why the fuck is this shitbag still allowed to post here... enough already.
If I were an african american posting here for the first time, and I saw that sig, which has innately racist meaning to it, what impression would I have of the people here, what they tolerate and how I would be welcomed.

Shut up dude, he was saying that it wasn't as if he called someone a nigger.

Do you two giggle every time you say the word?

And hear I thought this thread was about PC modding, lol (in NAG I know, but you never know).

Ah yes, because saying the word = being racist!

Hmm the thief has spoken!

I do not have a problem with racial issues. I just do not take race as a serious issue. Who the fuck cares if you are black, white, jewish, arab, whatever. You wanna cry some more you fucking fairy?
Low rep score? WOW THAT MEANS A LOT! I MUST BE RACIST! Since all my neg reps come from non-race related topics. Oh...you have positive rep points? Nope can't be racist!

As for me still being allowed to post here, it is because I really don't break that many rules. Plus I am entertaining to watch =p

And you are not an african american reading the boards for the first time. So do not play that card. The fact is anyone reading the boards for the first time who is that big of a fucking pansy would be offended by like 95% of the other posts. So I say fuck em all.

Oh and for the record, my rep has dropped from -36 to -18 in last week or two.

Actually, going from a high neg to a lower neg is "raising" not lowering. ;P

As for your sig, it is innately racist. If our moderators had a lil more sense of American history and the culture wars that insued the sig itself would be banned.

Fandros

If I were an african american posting here for the first time, and I saw that sig, which has innately racist meaning to it, what impression would I have of the people here, what they tolerate and how I would be welcomed.

Well if you were a thin skinned cry baby, the first thing that would pop into your mind would be that everyone here is OBVIOUSLY some type of racist.

Next you would try to hold everyone accountable for one person's poor taste in sigs.

After that you would get up on your high horse as if you've never laughed at Dave Chapelle. You racist.



:rolleyes:

If you'll excuse me, the yellow "wet floor" sign is degrading to Hispanics because the print in spanish is bigger than the print in english.

This will not stand!

TO CITY HALL!

You know what I meant by my rep fandros, lol. And don't you dare judge kivorns history knowledge!

When I first saw that sig, I seriously questioned it. It does not seem racist to me. It looks to me like a statement about the lows that networks will stoop to with these stupid assed reality shows. If I thought it was the slightest bit racist I would have nerfed it in a heartbeat.

Lfg? (http://forums.ayonae.ro/showthread.php?p=72267#post72267)09-22-2004 05:44 PMYou're an idiot. Stop crying and nice job spelling nigir.
I am guessing this is what got him banned. I figured he was calling me a nigger and just did not know how to spell it. I did not realize it was my name spelled backwards. For those that are curious I named my toon after a bag of Lays oRIGINal potato chips that were sitting on my desk at the time....right next to the onion dip.

Rigin

So then you agree I was wrongfully banned and did not make a racist comment? Cause I could not comprehend what you meant when you said "You left me a racist comment".

Oh and...L2 GET HIM BANNED HE SAID THE "N" WORD AND HE KNEW IT BUT STILL DID IT CAUSE HES CHILDISH!!!

Yeah, that's what resulted in Buyza's ban. We both looked at it, and decided to bump him for two weeks. In the context of Buyza's normal MO and that sentence in particular, it seemed obviously clear.

Now he's saying that it was just pointing out that rigin was racist? I dunno. I guess Ghandi might buy that on a gullible day. We probably would have let it slide at a lesser warning if it weren't Buyza. Sucks to be the boy who cries wolf sometimes.

I don't think you were wrongfully banned. You're a fucking douchbag. Anytime they ban you it's justified.

Rigin

Well, if there was no Buyza, this thread would be alot less fun, if not downright dull.

Cool you are a flaming faggot and used the "N" word unjustily. I think you should be banned.

As for sanchek, by both you mean you and rigin or you and kiv? As to what seemed obviously clear? That I pointed out he was racist?

"I am guessing this is what got him banned. I figured he was calling me a nigger and just did not know how to spell it. I did not realize it was my name spelled backwards."

Explain to me how what I said is racist. I am slightly confused. I obviosuly am not friendly with him so used SARCASM to tell him nice job. Silly me.

I see someone believes in the Patriot Act.

Me and Kiv. I've already explained it to you for 20 minutes once. Again, stop being a drama queen.

I even proactively made sure you got back in when you got accidentally rebanned by the system. Why you wanna make me sorry I went out of my way to help you?

Yeah you already got me feeling bad enough I was the one noticing your were accidently banned :(

By the way, I hope Rigin got a warning for saying it!!!1

Me, drama queen? You, power crazy.

Thanks for fixing a mistake on the boards as a mod. I mean thats kinda what a mod does, right? Fixes problems on the board.

You not only have no problem to OVER-MODERATE the boards, but when you do something minor that is a problem with board coding I should be thankful? Hrmm, just don't see it I guess.

As for your 20 minute escapade, I like this part the most :)

hijynx 54 (1:01:06 PM): whats diff from the rep comments rigin left me...coming from a guy whos named spelled backwards is nigir
gt1329a (1:01:31 PM): he hasn't been pushing it for this long.

That's just pillow talk.

Let me just surf in my dead aim logs from 3 weeks ago cause I care THAT much
Oh really?
hijynx 54 (1:01:06 PM): whats diff from the rep comments rigin left me...coming from a guy whos named spelled backwards is nigir
Anyway, I'm inclined to believe him about where his name comes from, hence I didn't warn him. Hell, that's how I picked one of my first BBS passwords.

Isn't this (http://forums.ayonae.ro/showthread.php?t=5856&page=1) supposed to be moderated?

In what way?

I dunno, perhaps the part where you and Kelraz have a conversation on these boards? When the poster names alternate between blue (his), and red (yours)? I find it funny that you're quick to moderate anything else, but stuff like that posted is ok. Then again, that would be hypocritical on your part, because you'd have to over-moderate yourself, right?

Well now that it is a bigger post, yes I do care. When I made that post I did not. You are right...for once...

Kivorn, will you do me? You're posts are so amazing sometimes :)

I know, it's a gift. But I'm sorry hun, I'm a tease. I only go all the way with big biker guys named Spike. And never on the first date. Well, almost never. Well okey, sometimes.

Fazin, that thread has been brought to attention by other members of the modding staff. It's being looked at, as are possible inconsistencies in splits/moves to sandbox. I apologize for the time it's taking, but trust me, there's nothing I want more on this board than fair and consistent moderation. As far as possible anyway considering there'll always be someone who feels he isn't being catered to, or that we're out to get them. In Buyza's case it just happens to be true.

Uhm... did I say that?
*jedi gesture*
These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Fuck... wrong one.

Feel free to bring additional likewise threads to my attention, preferably via PMs so I don't miss ithem.

Well as long as the mods admit that they are out to get me, I am satisfied. I get sick of those lies where they try and tell me they treat everyone equal :D

And who's been screwing up the splits/moves? hrmm.

That'd prolly be me. What'd I mess up?

I don't know, you said you messed up. I was just curious.

You've got me all confused and horny :(

If someone had split that WoW thread, I wouldn't have cared in the least.

You do have to remember that one of the specific things we listed as reasons for the sandbox was people starting up threads titled to each other. That's why I moved the one you're digging back into the time machine to link.

The WoW thread was on topic, but I can see what you're saying. I would have split it when someone else pointed that out to me, but the manner it was pointed out would make it look like I was trying to cover up for myself or something so I didn't (yet). Like I said, it wouldn't bother me one iota if anyone else on the staff decided to split me and Kelraz to sandbox though.

Hell, if someone had just PM'd or IM'd me telling me they thought it should be split, I would have split myself. Of course, that would be to civil and/or productive.

You've got me all tingly and excited knowing the mods are out to get me :) God I feel special! Mother was right!

"Of course, that would be to civil and/or productive."

And we can't have that! ^_^

Fazin, that thread has been brought to attention by other members of the modding staff. It's being looked at, as are possible inconsistencies in splits/moves to sandbox. I apologize for the time it's taking, but trust me, there's nothing I want more on this board than fair and consistent moderation. As far as possible anyway considering there'll always be someone who feels he isn't being catered to, or that we're out to get them. In Buyza's case it just happens to be true.

I guess people would be more willing to bring this to your attention in a more subtle matter, if we didn't feel like we were being given the proverbial middle finger most of the time.

Could always send me a PM. Or Selwen. Maybe even Rybit and Zehn.
Or all of us.

Difference between mods:

Kivorn sweet talks you, allowing the words to carress and soothe gently like a spring mist.....while he commits *modomy on you.

Sanchek just plain modomizes you. With a jackhammer.

Rybit can't confirm nor deny having commited an act of modomy on you, since no one can confirm nor deny he is actually a mod since he posts once a year. Most dangerous.

Hubbe can't figure out if he should be retired or not, so he might modomize you once for old time's sake.

All the Yellow Names, well, they just ass rape your sig.

* take away the "M" and add an "S"

I'm so making Kiv's title "The Modomizer"

Holy fuck that's so hilarious.

Did you one better though.

Why don't I get a custom title. I've been made fun of by every moderator and I think Sanchek is a modornizer or whatever too! :(

Lack of custom titles for me is poor modding :(

Difference between mods:

Kivorn sweet talks you, allowing the words to carress and soothe gently like a spring mist.....while he commits *modomy on you.

Sanchek just plain modomizes you. With a jackhammer.

Rybit can't confirm nor deny having commited an act of modomy on you, since no one can confirm nor deny he is actually a mod since he posts once a year. Most dangerous.

Hubbe can't figure out if he should be retired or not, so he might modomize you once for old time's sake.


And Zehn STILL cant get laid (or is it chex?)

Bad check + Vhex = Chex
Or Zhen, or Vehx

The problem with PM'ing the mods is that they stop responding once their attention spans have expired.

I *almost* posted about how I thought you mods were doing a good job when this thread started. However, after hearing about this warning that you guys gave to a certain person for saying a certain word...fuck you. That is complete bullshit and a perfect example of a power trip. Way to go Sanchek! I suggest you rethink your position, as you are not a god.

Would you be surprised to hear I make the decision to warn him on my own? It's such a pain to be a power tripping over-modding bastard by committee, but I'm glad to hear I still satisfy.

Stop with the bullshit sarcasm and actually listen to people. That was a retarded warning and you know it. It was in NO WAY a comment directed at anyone and was used as an example. You really need to relax because this is getting WAY out of hand.

and was used as an example.
Of what not to do.

Who was warned? Maybe I missed it. Was it me?

Rigin

No, it was Kein I believe.

Rigin said it, does he get a warning?

Did Krakah Jax, Grumblin, Linlawenial, DiscW, ThePerfectFlaw, and rabidmoomoocow all get warning for saying racial terms in a non offensive manner? If not you have no grounds to warn me on.

You didn't get banned on purpose the second time, and I noticed it and fixed it before you even said anything to me. I told you that clearly. Stop being a drama queen.
I think the mods are actually being somewhat slack, as they have not yet replaced Buyza's moniker of "most likely to buy" with the above also quite applicable description.

Who the fuck cares if you are black, white, jewish, arab, whatever
amen.

who is the racist?

The one who can use the words interchangeably,

or the one who thinks that something negative is contained within the adjective to the point that they have to warn upon the use of such an adjective?

fag·got2 http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3 Fq%3Dfaggot) ( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (fhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/abreve.gifghttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gift)
n. Offensive Slang

Used as a disparaging term for a homosexual man.

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n. Offensive Slang

Used as a disparaging term for a Black person: “You can only be destroyed by believing that you really are what the white world calls a nigger” (James Baldwin).

I am curious...Why is it ok to use one and not the other?


Rigin

Shut up dude, he was saying that it wasn't as if he called someone a nigger.

This is what he got a warning for? /clap

Fuck you L2. 8(

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n. Offensive Slang

Used as a disparaging term for a homosexual man.

nig·ger http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3 Fq%3Dnigger) ( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (nhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ibreve.gifghttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gifr)
n. Offensive Slang

Used as a disparaging term for a Black person: “You can only be destroyed by believing that you really are what the white world calls a nigger” (James Baldwin).

I am curious...Why is it ok to use one and not the other?


Rigin

This is a good question, and one I've been wondering myself.

Other then that though, mods get the thumbs up.

Well, for my part, it's because

A) I use the South Park rule. If it's questionable, but they can say it on South Park, it's okay with me.

and

B) Sexual orientation does not give you any more special protection then being fat or thin, ugly or hot, stupid or intellectual. It's a choice. Argue that if you'd like in another thread, it's been almost three days since we had a thread about religion or homosexuality, so we're due.

The moment we start banning people for saying faggot, is the moment I ban all you people who have bashed Christianity.

you are a faggot zhen

gokuu you stupid jesus lover

Bylimet, you are an idiot. What makes me a drama queen? Cause I spoke out towards mods about my opinion on their actions? Would you like to suck sanchek's cock some more? If anything I take/put out more shit than anyone on server and do not care. I laugh and it and generally try and be friendly with most. Do you honestly think I wake up/go to bed thinking "OMG I WAS BANNED FROM BOARDS WAAAA!!!11~". Seriously, you are retarded....but wait...you are a nobody...why are we speaking?

Sanchek, you are an over-modding power hungry faggot (it's not racist!). I think you are an alright guy besides that but as far as you modding goes it is kinda ridiculous.

Rigin, you know what I have to say to you, and I will stick to that.

As for the rest, fact is boards have become MUCH more modded in past few months. I mean the rep point I left not even calling him a "nigir", but using sarcasm to tell him good job at making his name backwards that is retarded. You seem to think that it was such a horrible thing to point that out, but go around saying much worse things about homosexuals and religion. Not that I really give two shits about what you say, just if you are going to do one thing, don't spew another.

Oh well, not much I can change I guess. I am sure I Will get some bullshit witty retort as usual :)

Give me 5 minutes with your sister and I'll prove how gay I'm not. 8(

why do you want buyza's jewish sister?

watch out gokuu, you're going to get a warning for calling someone jewish, a jew.

before the moderation begins, i called her jewish, not jew =(((


/ducks

<3 how the mods stop posting when people make sense!!1

It's a choice.

Lol, its been a while since I heard that ignorant statement.

Oh, and they've said nigger in south park.

...whoops?

<3 how the mods stop posting when people make sense!!1
Sleep > Work > this thread.

Please continue though. From the looks of things, you guys will have made a stronger case for why we need moderation than I ever could, by the time I get back.

And I guess that just about sums it up. You plainly looking for excuses to mod what nobody else feels is offensive. Congratulations, you've wet your first tampon. Run along kiddo, have fun playing Fuhrer.

Congratulations, you've wet your first tampon.

AHAHAHHAA. Gotta admit he nailed ya on that one.

there are so few people that actually read/troll/post here, not to mention VERY few that actually know this server exists. What the hell does it need moderating for? FUCK FUCK FUCK <insert url to nasty images> ban plz thanks:p

And I guess that just about sums it up. You plainly looking for excuses to mod what nobody else feels is offensive. Congratulations, you've wet your first tampon. Run along kiddo, have fun playing Fuhrer.
Consider this:

You got a warning that Kiv and I both sanctioned under the racial slur ruleset that’s been enforcing since long before the server move.

When you complained about the warning, I replied to your PM almost immediately with a calm and rational explanation, even though your PM had an argumentative tone from the start. “Get a grip”, I think it was?

So, after you didn’t get a second reply within a few minutes, you immediately jump on the Buyza bandwagon?

For talking about someone wetting a tampon, I think you’ve shown us how it’s done.

If I wanted to play Fuhrer and had no one to answer to or a ruleset to follow, do you honestly think you’d still be posting? I’m just enforcing the rules that have been in place a lot longer than I’ve even been on the staff.

(I’ll get to the rest after work. I just couldn’t resist being baited by that tidbit of wit by Kein.)

Okey guys. I'm back.

Lets make one thing abundantly clear before anything else is said: If we allow you guys to say anything, to anyone, Rybit can get sued. That's not gonna happen on my watch.

Racial slurs are not alright. I'm sorry if we ever gave you that impression. The problem we, the mod staff, face is that we not only have to look for offensive language, but also attempt to decipher if anyone would take offense by it. An example, if you will:
"You stupid fucking nigger", would by most people be considered racist in nature. Thus, we'd have to remove it. But, the phrase "what's up with all my niggas in the hizzouse!", probably wouldn't offend anyone. Sometimes it's extremely hard for us to know which way to go.
For instance, Buyza's rigin->nigir. Now, Rigin took offense (and I would too), and both Sanchek and I agreed that Buyza deserved a warning for it.
Another example is the phrase "it's not like he called him nigger". Within that sentence is the admittance that the word "nigger" is offensive, and that using such a word would mean repercussions. Blurting that out in a social real life setting wouldn't be PC unless you're chilling with your homeboys at home. Try pulling that in a mixed-race setting at work and you'd find yourself fired.
I understand how you're probably pissed that you got hit with that warning, but you weren't only untactful, you were down right dumb to blurt that out.
People are *clearly* offended by the word "nigger" in certain settings. You'd be in the clear completely if you stopped saying it.

Other slurs aren't alright either. But I've never gotten a PM or a reported post with a complaint about someone saying "faggot" or likewise. If you think we need to formulate a policy on that, we probably do. And one will be forthcoming.

As for inconsistencies in applying our moderation: We love it when you point that out! Shit, the thing I love the most is when I open my inbox and see a PM with two links pointing out incosistent applications of moderation. The reason I love it is because correcting the mistake results in us, the mods, having done a better work - and it was possible because someone helped us.

Inconsistent moderation is a threat to board stability. Don't think we don't acknowledge, or recognize that and we'll always try to fix it.

Again, however, thinking you're too cool for the crowd and spurting off insults to the left and right while claiming your "rights", and/or trying to rile up people against the staff is just a waste of breath for everyone involved. You won't get anywhere with it.

On what grounds could Rybit be sued?

A simple user agreement could end all of this :(

I encourage everyone to head on up to the FAQ we have at the top and read through the legal material we have there.

Rigin only took offense cause he felt like whining just to get me in trouble. If you SERIOUSLY are offended when you're name spelled backwards is nigir and someone points that out. You need to be shot. While we are on the topic though I say yes put in a policy for the word faggot. There are homosexuals here and like L2 said a first time african american reader would be offended by what I said, so a first time homosexual would be offended by the other posts. I also say you ban anyone who refers to religion since that is just another way for people to offend each other and rybit to be sued.

I'm not very well-versed in legal rhetoric, so it's quite likely that I'm incorrect in this assumption, but my interpretation was that Prodigy won that lawsuit. Is that correct?

The thing about a lawsuit is, even if you win it they're very time consuming and often costly. That's not something we're prepared to open Ryb up for, just because he's nice enough to give us a free home, if we can reasonably prevent it.

wait, what happened do that post about the case? Because uh...it didn't back up your claims.

I can understand that. I just think it's rather, um, unlikely. There are a ton of boards run by companies that have fifty times more users and traffic than we do, and probably actively moderate about half as much as we do. Considering how that legal suit focused more on the defamation of Lunney's character than the actual profanity that was said, I don't see how that can be applied to this argument.

Either way, I was mostly just curious how someone could possibly sue for content on these boards. I have no problem with you wishing to cut down on the offensive things posted here, but I think you have better routes to take than hitting someone in the face with a warning, especially for such a mediocre offense.

Erm, what happened to the post? This is the link to the lawcase we were referring to: http://www.tomwbell.com/NetLaw/Ch04/Lunney.html

Wow disappearing posts.......what's next?
I read the post and was asking myself how it pertained to the argument....of course now I can't go back and re-read it b/c a board nazi yanked it.

what gives?

Sanchek, did you even read the post, or just see the word? It was in quite possibly the least offensive context ever. Being pissed about blatant double standards is quite different from imposing those standards. You (and Kiv if thats that you want me to add) modded for no good reason and have yet to refute it. Of course I won't let it drop, it's like being accused of shit I clearly haven't done. Read the post, explain any racist undertones whatsoever. Don't give me that "upholding a rule that has been there since blah blah fucking blah" when I have listed examples where absolutely nothing has been said or done.

edit: Actually, we have discussions like that all the time in class. Generally, it is agreed upon that unless there is a clear "you" insulting implication, there is no offense taken. This is from people of all nationalities and color. And if you read the post I was replying to by LL, I was responding to the implication that Buyza's disclaimer didn't prevent offense, despite the fact there was obviously no one being called anything. Once again, context, kthanks.

You have nothing. Walk home in shame.

Why don't you just revise the rules for the NAG Forum then? That way all of this drama can be avoided. ^_^

Actually I did adress you Kein.

We're right now looking at a solution that will blanket moderate every possible attempt at racial slurs that could occur on these boards. It will result in a lot less individual freedom for posters since certain words and phrases will be completely prohibited, but it should solve any problem we have with "arbitrary" moderation.

Nothing has been decided though.

Sanchek, did you even read the post, or just see the word? It was in quite possibly the least offensive context ever. Being pissed about blatant double standards is quite different from imposing those standards. You (and Kiv if thats that you want me to add) modded for no good reason and have yet to refute it. Of course I won't let it drop, it's like being accused of shit I clearly haven't done. Read the post, explain any racist undertones whatsoever. Don't give me that "upholding a rule that has been there since blah blah fucking blah" when I have listed examples where absolutely nothing has been said or done.

You have nothing. Walk home in shame.
Like I've told you several times now, I saw it as something that shouldn't be posted, based on the rules. You can hide behind whatever excuses you like, but it served no purpose other than to throw the word out and push the limits. We decided that was past the limits.

I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you over the exact same thing. If you want to take it up with the staff, go for it.

Like Kiv said, I don't know when you guys started to think it was okay to act like this here, but it's not. I remember a year or two ago, when that kind of talk would have you banned without a chance to respond. I'm beginning to think our only failing here is being far too slack with you guys.

Good Idea in my opinion kiv, if you are going to get rid of one thing get rid of it all. To be honest L2 was right , it's not right to offend new comers. Weather they be black, gay, white, jewish, christian, arab, whatever.

Kivorn is suggesting a "Bad Word Filter". It has probably always been there. Other boards use them. They suck too, so lets not have to go there. Typically it makes alot of so called naughty words look like this:

-_-

Pretty much like an emoticon for death.

It will bleep all the bad words and anything that resembles them or has a known curse word as part of a word's syntax, which can get quite annoying.

For example, it bleeps out "vagina". Well, it will also bleep out virgin and Virginia...as in the state. You end up with:

Norfolk, -_-

Pretty friggen anal.

The word "ass" also kills off association. There are hundreds of other examples. Lets not have it come to that, as having the web-board client babysit us allows no judgement to be applied as far as what is appropriate context.

I think its a great idea, eliminate all offensive material so people do not feel offended and get scared away and feel intimidated.

Kivorn is suggesting a "Bad Word Filter".

Oh bitch ass damn fuck hell no! :eek:

Well then Sanchek, I think we've reached the point where it is a matter of opionion. I wasn't testing any limits, I was trying to help point out that Buyza hadn't insulted anyone with his latest post. If you read it any other way, it's not my problem.

And I have no idea what your last PM meant, a second warning with no points added?

I found a way to exchange your other warning (1 point) for a 0 point warning (we didn't have a 0 point in the system before), which was really the original intention of the 1 point warning in the first place. If I'd thought it was all out racism, I would have originally given you the full 3 point warning, not the 1 point one.

Oh, k. Thanks.

Should a "bad word filter" be set in place, I will no longer post here as that is utter bullshit. This is a fucking VIDEO GAME FORUM. A forum for something that is not real. If people want to cuss and use racial language, then let them. There must be a handful of people who are complaining about this, otherwise this wouldn't have become such a big deal. But all this retardedness on these boards is just getting worse and worse by adding more and more rules. If anything you should be taking rules away, and telling the whiney faggots to stay the hell away if they don't want to see it.

I believe you'd find Maylens parents would thank you for installing a bad word filter.

Infact I'll go one further, if Maylen and his ilk's parents knew of their foul mouth and sexual attacks I'm sure they'd no longer have access.

So yes, feel free to put in a bad word filter. I for one can converse with or without vulgarities. ;)

Fandros

Just a few words on the so called "policy". Is this the policy? Note that the ezboard link is dead, as you already know :rolleyes:

"In addition:

1) Linking indirectly or directly to any @#%$ player site is out of the question. You do it, soon as I notify Kiv or Edeina not only will you be banned, but we'll be posting your IP so that kitties can come over and rape your grandma.

If you don't know what it is and want to know, there's this handy tool called 'google.' Don't ask us.

2) Signatures are allowed, but -must- be under 150 pixels high, 450 pixels wide and less then 50k in size.

If you have text in addition to a picture, try to keep it to under two lines single spaced. If you have a text only sig, keep it small.

3) Posting posts that are just one long string of letters with no spaces which ends adding the little scroll bar to the bottom is not cool. I'll edit the post and ask you to not do it again. If you keep up, I will give you a warning for being disruptive.

In the case of images, if the image is wider then 640 pixels, I suggest making a link instead. If it's too wide (1000 pixels or wider) I will edit the post to add a link. No action will be taken though. Just be courtious please to those who can't afford a semi-decent monitor. You cheapskates.

4) RACIAL slurs are not cool. This -includes- racial slurs against white people.

The judgement call is mine as to whether or not you were using it to hurt someone or to make a point.

I'm fruther expanding this to include insinuating that someone is part of a particular hate group (Calling someone a skinhead, member of the KKK, Nazi, etc...) is not cool. Again, it's a case by case basis based on context.
--

By posting here you've agreed that you've read these rules and will adhere to them. Saying, "Fuck you, I don't need to follow your rules" will result in warning. You can tell me to fuck off and that my crotch smells like a homeless guy, but if you're going to debate the rules, you'll have to bring those up in a more civil manner.

Furthermore, if you need to reach me, my email is the_perfect_flaw@hotmail.com

I'm proud of the civility this part of the board maintains despite our gross differences. Let's keep it that way."
__________

Part 1: "we'll be posting your IP so that kitties can come over and rape your grandma."

Fellas, WHAT THE FUCK is this? Talk about getting sued, I call you a fucking cocksucker and drop a url and you set me up for scripting jagoffs? This is not a good policy.

Part 4: "The judgement call is mine as to whether or not you were using it to hurt someone or to make a point."

Um, yea and who the fuck is the omniscient one that is to pass divine judgement on the subject of a racial slur. A 15 year old? PLEASE, I NEED A WITNESS.

The grand finally:
"By posting here you've agreed that you've read these rules and will adhere to them. Saying, "Fuck you, I don't need to follow your rules" will result in warning. You can tell me to fuck off and that my crotch smells like a homeless guy, but if you're going to debate the rules, you'll have to bring those up in a more civil manner."

you "mods" are setting yourselves up for just what you warn against by using "low class" language of this manner in you GOD BE FUCKING DAMNED board rules. Again, I need a witness to this rediculous pile of bullshit.


I wouldn't even come here to entertain myself if the hypocricy wasn't so rich.
That last statement says it all to me, come here and have some fun.

So, FUCK OFF YOU POSER MOTHERFUCKERS YOU SMELL LIKE A HOMELESS GUYS COCK SORE. I love you, don't hurt me:p

All you can do is talk about my parents. Is that supposed to make me feel owned? OH NOES! MY PARENTS WOULD BE SO ANGRY THAT I SAY FAGGOT ON THE INTERNET!!111 Maybe your parents shouldn't have let you grow into a redneck, you asshole.

Seriously Fandros, each time you post it seems as if you're stalking Maylen that much more...it's beginning to be creepy

Every time you post talid, I can hear the FAGGOT express coming.

And if anyone hasn't figured it out yet, this is all in good fun for me. The language is strong but it is intended to get a rise out of you so we can have a lively conversation where we would not be able to in real life.

I'm sure everyone agrees that if we used language to each other's faces in this manner we would come to blows, so to speak. That is why these exist, right? To communicate with each other in a manner that is not "normal."

If we were all family we would be calling each other over the phone wouldn't we? well mabe some of you are but your personal conversations never make it here or are cryptic if they do.

Have some fun people, shit that's the only reason I visit. The RLA threads are off the hook with extremist commentary that I just love.

Seriously if you are worried about some tangeable legal issues that could occur on this board you should have a more thorough disclaimer.

woops, this thread has already degenerated. disregard my long posts.

Thread or board? =\

um thread? its just a label.

Seriously if you are worried about some tangeable legal issues that could occur on this board you should have a more thorough disclaimer.
http://forums.ayonae.ro/faq.php?faq=ayonae_ro_faq#faq_ayonae_ro_aup

Ok...so let me get this straight...I can't say the n-word..but you can say you are gonna send people to rape my grandma??.....Am I allowed to say muslum extremist? Cause are they not a hate group? Your board rules are about as foolish as your lame excuse for chopping threads and moving them around, and swinging your huge e-cock around warning people.

And your lame ass post concerning Keins' warning and your brilliant system reminded me of a Laurel and Hardy skit. So let me see....we gave you a 1 point warning ..then replaced it with a 0 point warning, but I really wanted to give you a three pointer.....jesus man you get a reach around with that...or atleast some cheap wine from a box?

Rigin

A) Not usually
B) No
c) See A

A) Not usually
B) No
c) See A
So no I can't say muslim extremist? Or no you don't get a reach around?

Rigin

Depends on the case and context. If you want to be safe, then no.

LOL....faggot is ok...muslim extremist is not?

Rigin

Going by the current rules, yeah.

Are we looking at fixing that soonish? Yeah.

Maybe you should open up rulesets for discussion, instead of keeping it restricted to your personal club.

The ruleset *were* public until the database crash. I just haven't had it in my to restore our FAQ to what it once was since then since I put a lot of effort into the first one. Yes, I was dumb enough to not back it up on disc.

Sanchek however has offered to restore the FAQ, and we hope to improve it to the point where you'll have no further questions regarding what's allowed, and what isn't. Unfortunately, right now, faggot is okey, whereas racial slurs aren't. We will change that.

And threatening bodilly harm upon an individual or an individual's family (rape your grandma) is a ticket to a ban. Our warning level for harassment is 5, that's a 14 day suspension off the bat.

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I like how Rigin is complaining about the modding until it works for him I.E me being suspended. HMM!

You only like yourself Buyza. :(

Can't we all just get along?!?!

Dont kid yourself people, Everyone knows the real issue here.....


The Board Modders are trying to hold the white man down..

Will we let this stand! I SAY HELL NO.. can I get a AMEN?

Buyza...I never complained to anyone trying to get you banned...all I did was make a comment about the racial slam in my rep message while making a post. Yes you got banned. Do i think the mods are fucked for enforcing some things and not others?? Hell ya..but if you get banned I'm not gonna stick up for you. I think you're a fucking idiot. You may have not really deserved a ban this time but you should have been gone long ago.


Rigin

This thread has turned less constructive and more band-wagonesque. The way i see it, if people want to jump around in their angst and call people faggots that's fine, but do it in the sandbox.

My opinions:

The difference between "faggot" and "that word that i must not type" is society's view on the noun they describe. The intonations are in both cases inherently discriminative and offensive, so what's the big difference? "Faggot" is the "go" word of the youth of today, or gay, homo, anything like that. Half of the time we don't even use it with its actual meaning in mind. Like, "that shirt is gay" or if someone punches you, you might instinctively say "faggot". From that rambling, its my point that society has accepted the word.

Now the other word, not one of us could look at it and deny that its offensive. Why? The people it refers to are so obviously normal, very common, basically exactly the same as the majority of the readers on this board except in look, but we all look different anyway. And using that logic, blonde jokes could be held in the same regard. So where does the problem lie? Is it that because everyone knows that it is really bad, people want to look "radical" and "cool" by showing everyone that they aren't afraid of authority? Well, yes it is. But is it the teen coolster's fault? Not entirely. Half of the blame goes to the community and society for making the word as harsh as it is. Its exactly the same situation as when AIDS became funny on south park. As far as i'm concerned, its a moot point, i believe very strongly in equality. By tagging this word offensive, it is in effect questioning that equality.

Let me expand on that point. In an ideal world, and in the ideals i like to believe i live by, race, sex, religion don't matter at all. Someone from China is exactly the same as i am, someone from Africa, someone from Iraq, whatever. And treating them anything but completely equally will ensure that the barriers stay erected.

With intention to harm: "You n word" Extremely offensive, obviously so. But why. If someone comes up to me and tells me "haha you're white" i will shrug it off, there is no disadvantage whatsoever for me being white, its the same for people being black, asian, arabic, why should they get offended? There is nothing at all automatically inferred by the colour of someone's skin. Its like calling a rock "basalt", or a dog "dalmation".

In conclusion, the only way to overcome the social racial barriers is to use the word freely. To cut funding for african americans, and increase funding for people in general. To remove all references to race from every constitution and law. Does this view make me racially insensitive? So be it. The only seperation between men is their actions. With that thought i leave you.

"But why. If someone comes up to me and tells me "haha you're white" i will shrug it off, there is no disadvantage whatsoever for me being white, its the same for people being black, asian, arabic, why should they get offended? There is nothing at all automatically inferred by the colour of someone's skin."



Grumblin, you obviously never lived in the southern states of the the U.S., and so have not seen the manner in which this practice was applied. While calling someone black is not an insult, using the 'N' word is inferring that they are someone of a lesser stature, worth, importance, etc. Slaves were called by the 'N' word; they were not referred to as "blacks". It is not the color of skin that is in question. It is the definition of the individual that is being slandered by the use of that term.

Unfortunately, I believe we are still a couple generations away from seeing that word fade from it's current hurtful status.

See if the boards were still cool, hubbe would be incharge. He was like the best mod ever. He knew when to mod and when to let shit fly. But then again wtf do I know. Only been posting here since the start of the boards =X

Just my 2 cents!

P.S I hope you really do put out that insane enforce tool that blargs ANYTHING insulting race, sex, homosexuality, enslavery w/e so that like L2 said, people who are coming here for the first time are not offended.

Hubbe was the l33test of the l33t.