Posted by request, this happened about 5 minutes after RiP tried to take cursed after FD spawned it.

[Tue Sep 02 21:26:27 2003] Brioma shouts, 'What is going on ?'
[Tue Sep 02 21:26:39 2003] Skolin shouts, 'BRIOMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
[Tue Sep 02 21:26:44 2003] Palimax says out of character, 'ha-ha'
[Tue Sep 02 21:26:47 2003] Veltore shouts, ',/hug Brioma'
[Tue Sep 02 21:27:06 2003] Toothy says out of character, 'hey Brioma'
[Tue Sep 02 21:27:08 2003] Brioma shouts, 'Im not going to tolerate any whining, fighting , arguements, over this zone'
[Tue Sep 02 21:27:32 2003] Brioma shouts, 'you will learn to work out agreements, keep your hands to yourselves, and get along'
[Tue Sep 02 21:27:44 2003] Brioma shouts, 'or I will start giving out guild warnings'
[Tue Sep 02 21:28:23 2003] Brioma shouts, 'I am tired of people arguing there are way too many folks on this server for me to have to be running to this zone everytime somone can not get along'
[Tue Sep 02 21:28:44 2003] Brioma shouts, 'I know everything thinks they are right , and honestly I do not care.'
[Tue Sep 02 21:29:18 2003] Brioma shouts, 'if you can not get along and keep your hands to yourselves , I will do what I do with High Keep and Paludal, everyone will leave the zone'
[Tue Sep 02 21:30:14 2003] Brioma shouts, 'if you did not spawn it stay away from it , it does not belong to you'
[Tue Sep 02 21:30:19 2003] Chenoa says out of character, 'so we do the work and they take our spawned mob?'
[Tue Sep 02 21:30:35 2003] Brioma shouts, 'I will not be listening to arguements from anyone I am telling you like it is '
[Tue Sep 02 21:31:07 2003] Brioma shouts, 'if you did not spawn it stay away from it'
[Tue Sep 02 21:31:42 2003] Brioma shouts, 'if you did spawn it kill it'
[Tue Sep 02 21:31:56 2003] Brioma shouts, 'have a nice day, and I am sure I will not have to return :) '

hah that was great. Hooray for elementary school teachers!

LOELZ, intant pwnage.

That as to be the closest thing to high school Im gonna steal your GF because she turned me down for valentines dance Ive ever seen. Thanks god HS is over.. only on EQ...

I, for one, enjoyed the lag.

For clarification, as I got some nasty tells about this, I posted it BY REQUEST of several people.

Whether or not RiP did in fact try to steal Cursed from FD is up to you to decide.

Dangit.. meant to add this to the last post.

The first line of my post should have read:

Posted by request, this happened about 5 minutes after RiP allegedly tried to take cursed after FD spawned it.

Allegedly my ass, we start killing the TM's first, we killed the rare, we killed MOST of them, we kill the glyphed, we killed the exiled, then they PULL the cursed? Tell me how that is justifiable in the LEAST please someone! How can it get any more obvious?



PS: I was told I would be removed from the front of guildrip.com soon about two weeks ago. Why the hell is that still up there? Even if it WAS true, it's ugly for a guild to have that shit that up there. Why even add to already stressed guild relations with that kind of slander? :(

Per the usual, there are a few sides to every story.

Rest in Peace had zoned in and killed three taskmasters and was in the process of pulling more when FD also began to kill them. Ironically, FD claims that someone from VA had been killing a few TMs earlier and had messed up the spawn, despite all the TMs being up for 20-30 minutes by the time anyone started killing them. We offered to roll on the spawn with Dashmoo, but she refused. Much bickering ensues.

While we were discussing who was in the right, both pull teams, out to make sure they made their side WAS right, went after Vyz'dra the Cursed. We got it into camp before the message got to our pullers that we were letting FD have it.

We blurred Cursed, dragged it over to FD, and went on our way. The GM comments in shout were directed at both guilds, but it was a moot issue by the time she got there.

Ya forgot to mention ya tried to gank Exiled too Malse.

lol rip gank a mob from someone after they triggerd it ?? no way they must have been tryng to help you with postioning of the mob .

rip would never take a mob they didn`t trigger hehe .

Shewdogg is tagged FD now! Blame him!

Your information being fed to you is incorrect, Malse. Perhaps you should press your 12 or so members that were there when we started to tell you the truth.

We had already killed 2 TM's, Warden, and one of the Rhozth while you were flooding into the basement. By the time we got the second Rhozth to camp (our 7th out of 10 "TM"s), you were just then finishing your 3rd TM.

VA had indeed been camping TM's for pouches (You might ought to have asked them before implying we were stalling or claiming falsities) and we had to wait for all of them to spawn, as you well know. We engaged about 5 minutes after last one popped, delay due to some last minute rebuffing. Either way, it wasn't 20 min. Perhaps your tracker was miscounting, which led to false impressions and innaccurate information on which to base your decisions.

I personally have never had a problem with competition, but this wasn't competition. We got the rare and 7 total "TM"s. It was our spawn regardless of any other actions by RiP. Until today i've never had any real problems with RiP and their actions. I know and like quite a few. There's still absolutely no reason we can't reach amiable compromises in the future, but pullin an XA on us like they did on AL (Having a few in zone and asking for a "deal" after we had already started the cycle) isn't amiable. Since we'll both be in VT, i'm sure you'd agree that it would be best for both of our guilds if we find some way to compromise.


Kulman

Do you feel that the sun setting is an end to a good day or the beginning of a fearful night? There can be two-plus perspectives to most of life. Regardless,

"We blurred Cursed, dragged it over to FD, and went on our way,"

did this not happen? If so then who cares?

Your information being fed to you is incorrect, Malse.

On the contrary,

[Tue Sep 02 19:38:26 2003] You have entered Ssraeshza Temple.

Was when I logged my tracker into Ssra. At that time, I counted seven taskmasters -- Kavamezh, Keuzozh, Mikazha, Revan'Kezh, Verhkah, Zerumaz and Zhe'Vosh -- along with Warden Mekuzh and both Rhzoth Ssrakezh and Ssravizh. That is the entirety of mobs required to spawn Cursed. I have no idea how long they had been up by that point, nor who may or may not have killed them earlier in the day.

VA had indeed been camping TM's for pouches (You might ought to have asked them before implying we were stalling or claiming falsities)

I never said nor implied that VA had killed the Taskmasters with any ill intent. I did not even know TMs had been killed by VA at any point during the day until told so by FD. Every time I checked they were all up. Perhaps FD's history with mysterious TM deaths is coloring your impression.

It was nearly 20 minutes later that RiP began engaging taskmasters when I logged that same tracking mule in to look at the situation. During that period of time, you could have easily killed all the TMs and other triggers, but chose not to do so.

I can only assume whomever you had tracking simply did not know what to look for or miscounted the number of Taskmasters. It would truly be an amazing coincidence that I would make a mistake in spawn tracking such as to send people to the zone so that they would arrive precisely in time to begin the cycle when the NPC I was mistaken about spawned, don't you think? It would be even more amazing since I had no idea that it had been killed earlier, much less when. Maybe I'm psychic, but more likely I can count to ten.

You mention your pulling of the Rhzoths.

[Tue Sep 02 20:06:44 2003] Bosillo has been slain by Rhozth Ssravizh!

Would have been number two, I assume. I was standing above you at the zone in at that point. The earliest indication I have of TM engagement is:

[Tue Sep 02 19:53:50 2003] XXX tells the guild, 'tm kiling is in progress'
[Tue Sep 02 19:56:12 2003] Taskmaster Revan`Kezh goes on a RAMPAGE!

That's almost 30 full minutes from the time I tracked all 10 trigger NPCs up and we started heaing over, and 10 minutes after TMs were engaged. I assume you were killing before then, probably as early as 19:55, during the same period of time we were.

It's easy to understand how both guilds felt that they had a claim to the encounter. We both felt we were in the right, since we had both killed trigger NPCs. At that point I offered to roll with Dashmoo for it, which she declined. Why? I don't know, since that method was acceptable to her at an earlier incident in which both RiP and FD felt they had "dibs" on an encounter.

As I said, the fighting over the spawned cycle was unfortunate, and in the light of what happened we decided to let you have Vyz'dra the Cursed since you had managed to "gank" (in Nexis' words) glyphed and exiled. I consider the matter closed in as amiable a way is as possible, given the circumstances. We felt that we were in error by pulling him, and corrected that by ceding the mob to you. I'm not sure what else you might want, since that's more than you've ever done for us.

Colonel Mustard, with the lead pipe, in the billiard room.

Case closed.

Now I'm going home to sleep with my wife.

Sorry to tell you this, but I went LD on that TM pull. I had already pulled the one in the left room and went LD halfway down the ramp guiding the one in the right room to our guild. Our other monk pullers had already pulled several TM's from the Right wing before you tried to fuck up the spawn.

Get off your high horse. Again your guild tried to get over and were unsuccessful.

Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

I tell you one thing, I want your magic tracker. What I wouldn't give to be able to zone into a zone and see mobs up that no one else can see.

0h n0s, log filez:

[Tue Sep 02 19:46:54 2003] NonMagicMalseTracker tells x:4 '2 tasks up'
[Tue Sep 02 19:47:02 2003] NonMagicMalseTracker tells x:4 'er 4'
[Tue Sep 02 19:47:06 2003] NonMagicMalseTracker tells x:4 'and 2 rhozths'
[Tue Sep 02 19:47:18 2003] NonMagicMalseTracker tells x:4 'need warden and 3 more tasks'

wth, you can see more than 10 minutes into the future with your tracking mule? I guess that's what agility does.

Surely you didn't alter that log file to make it look like you are being the good guy did you?

WoW! OK I read this and FD kills like 7 TM the Warden the rares and unless they are amazingly gifted they did all this in the same time RiP kills 3 TM.

Looks like FD spawned the Glymed pretty obvious just by the numbers. Malse own stements about RiP zoneing in pretty much says RiP was way late for the party.

Once the Glmped spawned RiP tries to KS him but fail and FD kills it then the Exiled spawns RiP tries to KS it and Fail FD kills it and the Cursed spawn which RiP was able to pull. You would think after the Exiled had spawn if RiP was "going to give FD the Cursed" they would of told there pullers to move out since by now the two spawns were clearly FD. But they want us to believe they just hug around to pull the Cursed to their side then "Give FD the Cursed out of the goodness of their hearts"

Looks like Brioma enters the scene about now quickly figures out what happened promptly shouts in no uncertain terms...."if you didn't spawn it leave it alone" WHOOP RiP gets religion at this instant!

Lets be real clear here RiP was up to their normal behavior and plain and simple THEY GOT CAUGHT!!!!![/ .

If I was in RiP I would be ashamed to even log on at this point, their behavior is so well documented and their lies so outragious it is laughable.

hah that was great. Hooray for elementary school teachers!
Owned!
After this sentence I had no reason whatsoever to even read on.

I am so happy that we never hang out in Ssra. Its not as if we didn't like to kill those mobs. But this endless shit going on in there with all those guilds is just not fucking worth it. I play for fun. What about you?

You're a Euro guild Taino, wtf are you talkin' about? You'd have no competition. 8(

Yes Sir. We never have any competition, our huge time zone advantage makes it easy for us to kill all the mobs we want without even camping them, without knowing spawntimes. The mobs are just all up and whenever we want to raid, noone else is raiding. Also all Ssra mobs are always up for us.




...and then I woke up....

It's hard to compete for a mob that isn't up. 8(

Though I do distinctly recall watching CB/IvM tank mez Blood for several hours ~waiting~ for Emp to pop now that I think about it. Heh.

Brioma shouts, 'have a nice day, and I am sure I will not have to return
This is the point where it was decided that RiP leave SSRA. (Because Blood was up and they didn't go for it, be honest now. Would RiP pass up Emp?)

Per the usual, there are a few sides to every story.
Yes there are, the truth and the bullshit you seem to find so easy to spew. I guess it comes down to this Malse, shit your turds but don't shit the server GM.

We offered to roll on the spawn with Dashmoo, but she refused.
Maybe this is due to your word being completely worthless.


We got it into camp before the message got to our pullers that we were letting FD have it.
You are a joke, here's the message that let you decide to give it to FD.
Brioma shouts, 'if you did not spawn it stay away from it'


Now this statement below is truly funny.
At that point I offered to roll with Dashmoo for it, which she declined. Why? I don't know, since that method was acceptable to her at an earlier incident in which both RiP and FD felt they had "dibs" on an encounter.

I do believe Dashmoo offered to roll on this spawn at an "earlier encounter", you refused, but oh thats right, a GM showed up and told you to roll. Funny, you are right, there are many sides to a story. The truth and the Malsified version.


I guess what it should be is more like, shit your turds but don't shit the server.

ugh the bleeding of my eyes over this subject, i pray to god I dont have to go back to dealing with this petty drama crap anytime soon

Christ guys, get a grip
It's a fucking mob and some loot.

It's just.. beyond sad now.

very very sad. ugh.. whats wrong with you people.

...and for those of you keeping score.

FD: 2

RiP: 0

By my counting its FD 0, RiP 0, SoE content developers... soo many points you don't count.

I'd say FD:3 RiP:0 cause they got Emp after cursed since rip got kicked out of the zone :P

Who the fuck are you Crathern?

RiP, you tried to take it, its ok we all know you do this shit all the time. Just admit that you got caught this time and youll have another shot to steal the mob in what? 7 days?

What continues to amaze me is situations like this.

When I zone in to a place and see 40 people of X guild sitting on a spawn, I don't think to myself, gee, if I run in some guildies real quick, i can engage the spawn before those other people do, or at worst a GM will show up and make them roll me for the spawn ? I go look for something else to do. Amazingly there's lot of content to find in EQ. Standard RiP mentality says, we can get it, screw em all !

Why do the leader(s) of RiP continue with this mentality ? Why do people continue to follow the leader(s) of RiP into these things ALL the time ? Is it a prerequisite to be a shameless lemming to join RiP ? Seriously, most of us learned in kindergarten how to share and play nice.

Whats also amazes me is that being caught redhanded, GM Brioma only threatens guildwarnings, rather than issuing.

Honestly I look forward to the /guildisband of RiP. All you RiP lemmings can hasten this, by holding on to whatever little bit of decency you may still have by moving on to some other guild and let the decision makers rot.

Arch Lich Thana

Ahhh a good ol' EQ NAG! So.. new!
*shares popcorn*

First off Kortak and Thana shut your gobs you stupid fricking twits. Time for you morons to get your little yellow crash helmets and get on the short bus with the rest of the screaming FD 2 RIP 0 retards. Rip also won't be guild disbanded any time soon for all your hoping Thana cause they didn't do anything inherently wrong.

Secondly for the people that want to scream bias! bias! Davan has family in RIP. Shrug I don't care its the reason I stay out of most arguements but it doesn't change what I read and see on the screen. Why do you people have to keep on harping on stupid shit when Malse tries to be ambiable and resolve the situation.

Also Rip didnt get kicked out of the zone they chose to go do VT instead. Oh wow they left on their own free will not because of Brioma imagine that! Holy shit thats impossible! Use your damn brains.

Scuffles are going to happen and misunderstandings will happen. Fucking deal with it and understand its part of the game. If you don't like it don't play. Blame the amount of content with nice loot at certain tiers. Clashes are going to happen over those places with the nice loot. Accept it and stop being little bitches.

Ok Davan, I remember a certain guy telling me to stop raiding PoWater because you didn't have your Moss Encrusted Band yet :)

tainos avatar is gay.

Davan little man what you don't seem to grasp is RiP is ALWAYS one of the players in this stuff. Talk about using your brain if it was normal playing then there would be a statistical spread of all guilds equally involved but whenever the crap happens you only have to ask one question.....Who was the OTHER guild because we already know by default RiP is going to be THE DISRUPTER in this situation. So whine all you want and RiP IS THE CONSTATLY THE PROBLEM ...so get over it....some people have bad people in their real families. I have crimianl in my RL family and we did what normal folks do we disowned him instead of trying to defend misbehavior...your as bad as they are for not having the balls to to stand up to your family in RIP and set them straight. Jees some folks are dumber than rocks...

I'm just 43% gay!
Its true. I made an online test!

Little man? Ok buddy if you say so. If you read what I said you dumbass I said I see what is on the screen and can read whats going on. So yes I defend them cause I see nothing wrong for the most than two guilds fighting over contested shit and mishaps are bound to happen. Understand that fuckstick? You get it now? Now get your newb ass out of here before you talk again.

Btw Shew I lub joo. =(

Jees some folks are dumber than rocks...

Not so. Rock's don't have brains. Every single human being ever to live has experienced at least some brain activity, therefore making them more intelligent than rocks.

``Today's patch message:

Partial zone revamps have made their way to Luclin!

- Added instancing to Ssra Temple and Vex Thal''

I hope it never comes to that; I really enjoy reading these NAG threads. :P

I'll be honest.

These new guild flames are pretty fucking weak.

Read the "Hey LS" thread for a good guide on how to guild flame. This board doesn't archive, so I guess the "97% lol" thread that incoherent mage who finished every sentence with 8) started is gone.

I don't care about any of the other crap, these are the facts.

1) FD pulls and kills the rare Rhozth, Rhozth2, Warder, TM's x4. During which time RiP flooded into the basement, stood in the far doorway, and incidentally blocked one of our monks from getting through with his pull. He died trying to complete the pull rather than feigning and dumping it on the 12-18 RiP people there. RiP killed that and 2 other TM's. The rare and 6 others should be enough to lay claim to glyphed, exiled and cursed, since glyphed won't spawn without the rare.

2) FD and RiP pullers stand on ramp waiting for glyphed to spawn. Pop!! >>> agro at spawn point >>> AE FD proc >>> no agro. He just stands there. Of the 4 on the ramp I was the only one to stand back up and get new agro (yes, i got a new "agro message"). I pull glyphed to camp no problem, he dies to FD. Thus exiled and cursed should have belonged to FD. (not that they didn't before).

3) Exiled spawns. RiP tries to "gank" exiled with first agro. Well... It didn't belong to them, so I took it back with one shuriken, cuz i r gud.

4) Exiled dies to FD. Cursed should, once again, belong to FD (as if there were any doubt). Cursed spawns. RiP gets agro and completes the pull with great effort.

5) Brioma zones in and shouts as has been posted. RiP tanks bring cursed to FD camp. They hang out a bit to rezz their dead tanks, then OTM to where ever they decided to go.


Summary: Unless RiP is claiming right to glyphed on the basis that FD stole 7 TM's, including the rare, after they started the cylce and only managed to kill 3 as we did so, then RiP had no potential claim on the cycle and no room to force or even beg for a /random. As you can see, they have made no such claim, nor do they wish to see 20 pages of /rofl on this message board, so I sincerely doubt you will see any such claim.

your right davan im so sorry. I forgot rip is always completly innocent, i guess all those encounters that i personally had with them were my fault, what the hell was i thinking I must have been doing something wrong.

I guess all the other guilds on this board who fight with RIP are also in the wrong. I mean RIP couldnt possibly be guilty of anything!!!!

I guess witnessing them steal a mob and ksing isnt good enough. But you must be right cause you have family in RiP!

Davan......you got the "stand by your man" gene. Remands me of the wife of the man that molestes their daughter and she still defends thems.....you can only shake you head and wonder how they make it through life at all.....also I would recommend a "anger management" class for yourself. Losing to temper when challenged with facts only makes you look even more foolish, but I have to say you are entertaining ....sorta like those folks on the Jerry Springer shows.

Comparing a arguement over a mob in a video game to a child molester?

Dude... you REALLY need to get a grip on reality and some perspective.

Thats the most asinine thing Ive ever read.

Also Rip didnt get kicked out of the zone they chose to go do VT instead. Oh wow they left on their own free will not because of Brioma imagine that! Holy shit thats impossible! Use your damn brains.

Wow you wait until page two to bring this up?

I know a few former guildes in RiP and for the most part these people are too nice to be a part of something like this. Makes me wonder who's calling the shots there.

First off jester wtf is wrong with you man? Molestion compared to a video game? Are you right in the head? As for anger management shrug think what you want to think.

Secondly Kor the point i was making is that no one is purely innocent but the fact is situations like this and misunderstandings are going to happen on stuff that is heavily contested. It happened when EW was going through when we did AoW to Emp etc. The point is to not make a big deal over little shit. Malse posted amiably and you guys jumped him like a bunch of raving lunatics. Competition and disputes are going to happen. Stop making fusses they never amount to anything.

On the plus side, the NAG board has gotten interesting again. Was getting pretty boring for awhile there.... :)

Crystana Rose
65 Exarch of Invictus Maneo
Ayonae ro

Oh, bandwagon lady is here.

Incidently, if any of you in RIP get tired of this stuff and or reputation, drop me a line. We are still looking for good people. :)

Oh, bandwagon lady is here.

HAHAHAHA... I don't know why that is soo funny but it is:p


Ibudin

Hush Zehn or i will have to spank you :)

this game gives most people the freedom they dont have the pleasure of having in RL and i think thats partly why it continues to have such popularity. Given this most people can be, act, and lie as they wish without anyone else becoming the wiser, meaning all these petty arguments that continuously come up are.....well pointless. People fuck people everyday, want a ligit nag start bitching about that. But jesus this whole Guild_01 fucked Guilded_02 thing is getting old fast and its not gonna go away heh best start getting used to people.

this post still makes my ass twitch.. where is a dorf to scratch it... RUGBy is god.... everything else ios gravy and nutcheese

rugger reminds me of the hulk

first off Davan. dont pay attention to that poor excuse for a necro. If you ask any respectable necro on the server who is the most embarassing member of our class, Thana tops that list im sure for most people. Hell he/she/it/whatever the hell sex they are, cant even train people successfully. oh the days of you trying to train an entire zone of mobs on me so u could steal my camp and then whine like the little bitch you are when you didnt get your way. Go fuck youself. i really cant believe a dickless coward like yourself even has the guts to post on the boards about other guilds you arent a part of and that neither would even want u as a part of. maybe u are trying to suck up to fd so they would let u app? i already know youve been rejected by almost every guild on the server that is on post kunark content. Even Taino has more integrity in his left nut than you do in your whole being.

anyway. I think the common denominator that people seem to be missing, is Nugs. Yes, its true. every guild conflict on this server can be traced back to that evil rogue. when was hostilities between SoT and RiP the highest? when nugs was in RIP. Now nugs is in FD and he is causing trouble with RIP!

As far as im concerned, you guys should really learn to get along before its too late and irreperable harm has been done. Ya its probably gonna take one guild just biting the bullet and being the bigger man and making the first step. I guess because im not in either guild so it seems sort of simple but i have been in guilds before where there has been some heated rivalry of the guild i was in being screwed by some other guild and the desire to retaliate or using questionable tactics just to try and keep from being screwed and ill tell u what, that shit isnt fun. sure it gets your pulse going and such but...i dont know where im going with this. But i know a bunch of RIP folk and i know some FD folk and most are good people and i know you guys do have the ability to solve your differences civilized

Oh. and dont fuck with the Sheriff on Ayonaero :p

Incidently, if any of you in RIP get tired of this stuff and or reputation, drop me a line. We are still looking for good people.

Sorry, you won't find any good people in RiP, because apparently they are just a bunch of KSers and cockblockers.

I'm fucking sick of seeing anonymous flamers coming on here and saying how RiP has the worst rep on the server. They only have that rep because stupid fucks come on here and whine about every single fucking altercation they have with another guild. This kind of shit HAPPENS ALL THE TIME WITH EVERY COMPETITIVE GUILD. I'm sure EW has good memories of IvM's "ogre-web" in Emp room.

Instead of coming here to start shit every time someone steps on your toes, learn to deal with the competitive aspect of the game and quit fucking bitching.

Malse posted amiably and you guys jumped him like a bunch of raving lunatics

DUH! It posted amiably because HE HAD TOO!! Rip got caught red handed this time and all the he said she said was not going to deflect everone seeing clearly what happened. In the past eventhought RiP is ALWAYS the spoiler in these situations they could always wax on endlessly about "a misunderstanding" whit hopes someone would buy their lies....but this was such a clear cut case of RiP being RiP the when Malse HAD to post amaiable to try and deflect resposibility the most of us reacted like.......you have the audasity to try and talk nice-nice after such a clear infraction.......no wonder everyone jumped on him. He deserves it and RiP memebers deserve it for continuing to follow such leadership. There are some nice folks in RiP and this will probably be the straw that breaks the camels back....we sure hope so the smaller RiP is the less grief they can cause the server population.

"Scuffles are going to happen and misunderstandings will happen. Fucking deal with it and understand its part of the game. If you don't like it don't play. Blame the amount of content with nice loot at certain tiers. Clashes are going to happen over those places with the nice loot. Accept it and stop being little bitches."

Blame Smith & Wesson! It's the gun manufacturers fault! Nevermind that it takes a living, breathing person to make the "decision" to pull the trigger! It's not his fault Smith & Wesson made such a pretty gun! If that person didn't have such a fat wallet he wouldn't have been shot! It's the victums fault too! Certainly no fault with the person that "decides" to commit the crime! Blame the amount of money he has! Not the decision to steal it!

Fucking idiot.

But, most importantly boys and girls.....

http://www.alliedgiants.com/myles/olimpics_1_.jpg

Torrk are you jester? =p You both seem to have alot in common in comparing real life shit with the game. Oh yes Smith and Western has everything to do with this thread. Get some reading compehension than call yourself the idiot. =) Like I was saying is that this is what happens when more than one guild is competeing over certain stages of content. Like Sera was saying EW had our scuffles with IVM etc. Some things were misunderstandinsg others were done in the face of competition. You know what it was forgotten like 2 days later cause we moved on and just didn't give a fuck. No one is innocent in the great game of competition ever.

As for you jester im not even replying to anymore cause your stupidity just astounds me. As for Morg that picture is old and retarded if you want to post a picture find something that is orginal.

I'm assuming you mean Mok, not Morg. And what have i done to you? I posted that pic referring to the issues between my guild and rip. I could really care less anymore.

I accept you surrender Davan.

"Scuffles are going to happen and misunderstandings will happen. Fucking deal with it and understand its part of the game. If you don't like it don't play. Blame the amount of content with nice loot at certain tiers. Clashes are going to happen over those places with the nice loot. Accept it and stop being little bitches."



does kinda go along with what torrk was saying :( We all make decisions and to move your point across people carry that competitive nature outside of the game just as much as inside, those decisions will always be made, be it one guild or the next or one man compared to another. Its human to try to take what we what, some people can control that nature some cant. I dont see how fighting and bickering like this is going to solve either one.....

"Torrk are you jester? =p You both seem to have alot in common in comparing real life shit with the game. Oh yes Smith and Western has everything to do with this thread. Get some reading compehension than call yourself the idiot. =)"

It's called an "analogy". Learn the word. It's use will further the success of your argument more than a lot of other means ever will.

Look up the word and embrace it's meaning. Calling others idiots because they come up with a sound argument that tears your's to shreads only shows just how little you really know.

boneskin said:

first off Davan. dont pay attention to that poor excuse for a necro. If you ask any respectable necro on the server who is the most embarassing member of our class, Thana tops that list im sure for most people. Hell he/she/it/whatever the hell sex they are, cant even train people successfully.

first would probably be vital, second would be boneskin, not thana. funny list you make up. I have friends and play the game and earn my gear, not by sucking off the leaders of EW for a miragul's robe like you. wipe your chin boy, you're slobbering manjuice all over.

boneskin also said:
Hell he/she/it/whatever the hell sex they are, cant even train people successfully.

as a former member of rip, boneskin says right here that he DOES know how to train people, and implies that he has done it well. I have always denied such wrong doings.

did you learn all those big words like "go fuck yourself" in college ? mommy and daddy ought to be proud that you have advanced to 2 syllable words.

as far as the necro community goes ? bring em out. if the top ten necros on the server will come here and say im an idiot, then I'll gladly concur. but I'm fairly confident that they would ALL say that you,Boneskin, are one of the biggest assholes on the server regardless of class. wipe your chin again, mainjuice is spilling out again. stupid cock gobbler.


lets call em out and see what they say: excluding you and me from top 10 that leaves 8:

Azzure Spazzure
Meno D`Arkanon
Ibudin
Azmaer Draoidh
Strahd Vonzarovich
Kargon Shadowstalker
Braeaniu Bacillus
Kondar Rottinbone

Arch Lich Thana

I made a picture that I haven't been able to use yet. :(


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Question:

How many guild recruiter's (or members for that matter) get past the part of the application that asks:

"What guilds have you been a member of?"

If one of the answers is RiP?

That ladies and gentlemen, is why RiP will stay resonably competative. 'Cause failing a server move, what other options are there for its members who want to keep playing?

It really is a great strategy for keeping a guild stong.

if the top ten necros on the server will come here and say im an idiot, then I'll gladly concur.

I don't need to be a necro to know that you're an idiot.

Thana, I remember a time while I was with CB you tried to mooch an agnar flag. Someone told you no so you attempted to train us ~ you couldn't even do that correctly.....

Idiot

Dr.Phil owns.

haha. anyone that knows me knows i dont suck up to anyone. ive always been brutally honest to the point where im only now learning to choose my battles. ask drizzen. he guild removed me last night :/ But i do treat people with respect and try and help people when i can, and if that makes me a suck up, so be it.

second, ive only done one messed up thing that i recall while playing EQ and that was dotting the mezzed mobs in emp room while we were wiping and CB was going to take over. ya what i did was fucked up and if i had to do it again i would have stood up for my principles instead of falling into the guild rivalry bullshit. There was an incident where i had agro on a mob from BoT and thought i cleared it while gating and ended training a grp of VA several months back and nother time i was accused of breaking a mez in ssra with an eye of zomm, but i try hard to give people the same respect that i expect whether they deserve it or not. And ya i talked some trash in guildchat during some heated instances but thats all just the heat of the moment stuff

Ya and the reason you deny training people is because u are a fucking liar. one: ive seen you do it multiple times in person. second ive heard from other people of your shananigans (yes i used the word "shananigans")

I have by far helped out more people than i have screwed over. But do i go on the boards every time i give out a rare bst spell to a bst that was camping it for days and had no luck but i came in and got lucky on my first kill? or do i brag about helping out random people that need a summon when im not busy or need a break? do i brag about leaving a camp so a full grp of people could have it? (i think that was for a grp of FD if i remember right)? or what about helping people out and selling to them below what i have listed on my trader so i could make someones day? of course not, because that isnt the point of doing something nice. its not what you can get from other people, its what you can do for them.

And i cant think of a single necro that has a problem with me. Even when i was in RiP and we were having issues with SoT, me and Ibudin still shot the shit and gave each other advice on all things necro from soloing techniques to insta accel horses (/sigh another chapter has ended).

I dont even know why i bother arguing with whining little bitches like thana. But on the bright side, in comparison im starting to really like Taino and Halo about now :p at least they wont fuck you over and then lie about it, they will tell you honestly why they did it. whether i agree or not, i at least respect that.

Yes I meant Mok. Don't really have anything against you just saying I would like to see something orginal. =p

Also yes I understand those things called analogies.=) I just think there is a diffrence comparing a game to a brutal crime such as someone getting shot or someone molesting someone.

I'm fucking sick of seeing anonymous flamers coming on here and saying how RiP has the worst rep on the server.

A bad reputation is self-perpetuating, true... but that's what a bad reputation is. That's why some people actually value their reputation and choose their actions and associations carefully. I for one am very comfortable walking around with SoT over my head, and I wouldn't be with RiP. And if RiP blew roses out of their asses for the next year and helped orphans and kittens, I'd still be leery about it because of its past associations.

As far as anonymous flamers go... If you asked only players Ssra+ guilds what guild has the worst reputation on the server, it is a virtual certainty that RIP would get the largest percentage of votes, denying that would be foolish. THAT is, again, what a bad reputation is...

Now, any guesses as to what guild would come in second?

Azzure Spazzure
Meno D`Arkanon
Ibudin
Azmaer Draoidh
Strahd Vonzarovich
Kargon Shadowstalker
Braeaniu Bacillus
Kondar Rottinbone Ack. Snubbed again.

qoute-


Question:

How many guild recruiter's (or members for that matter) get past the part of the application that asks:

"What guilds have you been a member of?"

If one of the answers is RiP?

That ladies and gentlemen, is why RiP will stay resonably competative. 'Cause failing a server move, what other options are there for its members who want to keep playing?

It really is a great strategy for keeping a guild stong.

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Thanks buzcam, I can rest easy knowing only a few week app with RiP fugged me for life on this server. Damn you salvin for joining and making me want to join just cause you were fun to group with. Damn you!

Eh, I have no grudges on RiP.

>Ack. Snubbed again.

What are the criteria for that top 10 list anyways? I wanna get my twink on it. And there are ones who seem to be missing anyways.. heh

You forgot the all mighty Sam da fucking man Deathwalker on your top 10 list. He's the verified 4th best player in all of EQ!!

Don't think Sam Deathwalker has a necro in his burst DPS squad of doom =(

Kaisyth Soulreaver
Arch Lich of Legend of the Jokers

What are the criteria for that top 10 list anyways? I wanna get my twink on it. And there are ones who seem to be missing anyways.. hehI think Thana's criteria was "Name the 9 best dressed necros on the server he can think off of the top of his head then add himself, and then declare it the top-10."

/shrug. I can live with being left off that list.

As it's been made clear to me that my opinion of Thana is "unqualified," I'll wait quietly over at the kids table.

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I have another question - and this is just me trying to get my head around the FD/RiP situation:

RiP Leadership: "If Brioma had not zoned into Ssra and made /shout announcements, was it still your intention to leave the zone?"

Just curious,
Necro #10+n (where n is >0)

Why didnt Boiler make the list?

Ask Thana. The list obviously isn't anything near useful.

where is Umglah?
Might not be the best dressed,but sure as fuck could play the class. Gratz SWG.

If Brioma had not zoned into Ssra and made /shout announcements, was it still your intention to leave the zone?

No it wasn't, given the circumstance of TL out of the zone or it will be done for you. Because we all know that given Blood was up and Emp was most certainly going to spawn soon, RiP had no interest in Emp, instead choosing to go clear VT which oddly enough had been basically cleared over a few days before, being that clearing of a previously cleared zone is much better for guild advancement than killing that Emperor in SSRA.

But I'm certain that EW will dispute the scenario for RiP, because they were there, they know. Don't forget that Brioma has this little ability to look at a "zone log" and see whats been happening before she got there, down to who pulled what and when it was pulled.

I think Dartaignon should shadup sometimes.....
Oh ya i remember a funny Video from you Dart ... I made my own

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sort by anything you want palimax you aren't in the top 10, though sort by just about any method there, and I am in the top ten. not ficticious in any sense.

Arch Lich Thana

ps. After I left your guild, i chose not to air all your dirty laundry, but it seems you want to pick a fight with me for some reason.

Ahh, EQRankings! A site that undoubtedly takes into account skill and knowledge of the game.

RiP Leadership: "If Brioma had not zoned into Ssra and made /shout announcements, was it still your intention to leave the zone?"
Brioma had absolutely nothing to do with our decision to give Cursed to FD. It wasn’t an official decision to pull him in the first place, just an overeager pull team that got caught up in the competition.

Since we both started the cycle at the same time, we didn’t feel like we were wrong for competing with FD for the cycle. Later, it was decided that getting the kill just wasn’t worth the headache. We had no plans to kill Emp that day, so we called OTM to VT to lessen further conflict. Brioma had absolutely nothing whatsoever at all to do with that decision. Period.

It’s sad how we’re still griefed to death by the board campers, even when we decide to give FD a mob that we could have killed ourselves with absolutely no repercussions. Worst case, maybe a GM would have duped them more loot after we killed it.

You left Winnie off the list, along with a bunch of other good necros.

sort by anything you want palimax you aren't in the top 10, though sort by just about any method there, and I am in the top ten. Three cheers for Thana, the top-10 necro!Ahh, EQRankings! A site that undoubtedly takes into account skill and knowledge of the game.Eqrankings is maintained by a team of gregorian monks, who meet in council and determine the skill, quality, ethics, and style of a player's necro-fu. That's how their top-10 lists at Eqrankings are determinded.

sort by anything you want palimax you aren't in the top 10, though sort by just about any method there, and I am in the top ten. not ficticious in any sense.I started with mana. You were 13 (to my 16).

I tried HP. You were 11 (to my 14).

I tried Regen. You were 18 (to my 16).

I tried UMR. You were 14 (to my 12).

What the fuck are you top 10 in? Seriously... AA? Oh nos! Thana the top-101 necro.

1 Disclaimer. Top-10 only applies to one of 5 criteria, and only applies on list of 32 fucking people. THIRTY TWO PEOPLE!

My necro rox the house.

Oh ya i remember a funny Video from you Dart ... I made my own

If you are going to slam me, at least make sure the fucking link works :(

0h n0s, I'm t00 r0x0r t00 ch3ck t3h preview b0x loelz!!

Oops, forgot to check everything.

Thana's AC: #21 (Palimax 12)
Thana's ATK: #21 (Palimax 4)
Thana's Total Resists: 606 (Palimax 694, Boneskin 1108)

Jesus. They need some more things...

Thana's Total Resists: 606 (Palimax 694, Boneskin 1108)

Go go top-10 necro Thana!

stupid no-edit. That's 1108 on Boneskin...

We had no plans to kill Emp that day


bullshit

and not everyone 1) is on eq rankings or 2) has updated it in a long time. Winnie for instance and im sure there are others. And eqrankings is only a somewhat accurate appraisal of a player. Necros are unique in the ability that they have such a wide variety of possibilities when it comes to raiding, grouping, and soloing and im not sure if there is a single necro anywhere that has perfected every aspect of being a necro. Even at this stage of the game I try to constantly learn and experiment. Knowing that there is something always out there to learn and keep improving on is imo key to being a necro.

but even if some sort of miracle happened and you became a skilled necro, it wouldnt change the fact that u are a lying asshole.

but even if some sort of miracle happened and you became a skilled necro, it wouldnt change the fact that u are a lying asshole. Well, I guess that's one top-10 necro's opinion Thana. 8 more to go.

bullshit
Thanks for summarizing the content of every post you've ever made, whoever you are. As for the rest of the flamers, I'm not the least bit surprised you spend just as much time tearing at each other as you do at RIP and FD. Great crowd, tip your waitresses.

Damn,i need more popcorn.

If we are going by EQRankings, check Rogues! :) *hugs maglo*

Lol Laz!

Woa made a list on AR wow I can retire:)

Palimax has always been a necro on my personal top list...been around forever and most importantly still plays. Same goes for Thana seen him/her playing eons ago and was actually the first necro I seen walking around with a duck stick back before I made it any further than Karnors castle with my then main character which was Ranger. I have always enjoyed talking to Boneskin, great necro, (because he still plays and on a consistant basis)


My position on the list should be somewhere on the bottom I like to die at least 3 times a night on raids to over agroing to see how long I can last before I run out of HP...I have guild mates who are far better being a necros than myself and they are not on that list..Karmad and a little gnome named Fasciitis comes to mind.

The list was derived from simply who had entered thier magelos in a list of tracking gear and AA..nothing more than that.

Whos my favorite and overall best necro..well hes not on this server but hes posted detailed, SS posts with his soloing acomplishments ..hands down its:

Yaguex, arch lich, Mortalis, Venril Sathir
HisGear (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=62873)


Ibudin

honestly though...

What skills besides giving a timely mana infusion to a wizard does a necro have to have? Mana Bitches!

n3cr0z r teh suxx

I deleted that spell once the feature was implemented!


Ibudin

On a side note if they would of put an AA in that allowed us to dump our entire mana bar to one player..id be all over it.

Ibudin

Being close to the top 10 in all categories may easily put you in the top 10 overall.

Lets take 4 people and 3 races.
Person A
Person B
Person C

Result 1:
A
B
C
D

Result B
C
B
D
A

Result C

D
B
A
C

So... person B was 3 times second. Has never won. Now if you say that you get 1 point per rank (means the less points the better), then we get...

Person A = 8
Person B = 6
Person C = 8
Person D = 8

What does that mean? It means person B never won but has the best average score and therefore is number 1. All others have won once but they are all behind B.
There. Silly example, but explains very well why Thana COULD easily be in the top 10. I dunno whether it is true tho. You calculate it out.

*walks off*

Perhaps you missed the post where he calculated it out....

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I'm on top 10 and I agree with Bone, Thana is a fucking moron!

woot who got the popcorn, this is getting interesting

I like Puppies :D

Ok, since I'm enjoying being petty about this, and I love seeing people open their mouths wide enough to get BOTH feet in it, here goes.

Thana told us that if the top-10 necros (of his choosing) on this server came out and said he was an idiot, that he'd "gladly concur."as far as the necro community goes ? bring em out. if the top ten necros on the server will come here and say im an idiot, then I'll gladly concur. but I'm fairly confident that they would ALL say that you,Boneskin, are one of the biggest assholes on the server regardless of class.Ok, well, lets see how it's going now: The server's top-10 necros, per Thana:Thana
Boneskin
Azzure Spazzure
Meno D`Arkanon
Ibudin
Azmaer Draoidh
Strahd Vonzarovich
Kargon Shadowstalker
Braeaniu Bacillus
Kondar RottinboneBoneskin, Kargon - vote "no."
Thana and Ibudin - vote "yes."

Looks like we have a dead heat on our hands.

I'm fucking sick of seeing anonymous flamers coming on here and saying how RiP has the worst rep on the server. They only have that rep because stupid fucks come on here and whine about every single fucking altercation they have with another guild. This kind of shit HAPPENS ALL THE TIME WITH EVERY COMPETITIVE GUILD. I'm sure EW has good memories of IvM's "ogre-web" in Emp room.

So, what you are saying is, IvM is as honourable as RiP.

Understood, I'll keep that in mind. =)

Palimax wtf are you talking about little gnomer? Read my post again and in my post I took nobodys side..In fact said I liked all of ya.



Ibudin

hehe. people could learn alot from Ibudin. several times ive noticed that there was a conflict and he refused to take one side or the other even when both sides put pressure on him. Ive killed friendships irl and in game because of that choosing sides thing :/

which i meant to relate back to the topic of this thread because im sure its put some people in RiP/FD that have friends in FD/RiP in an uncomfortable position. Ive seen it happen alot, where guild tensions have drove a wedge between friends.

P.S. Havano, sorry for what i said to you about a month back after EW was trained by Deecee. I was totally out of line :(

That's why you just flame the guild in it's entirety. Mentioning names only pisses people off.

Yeah cause Lord Darkhelmet Sucks ass and can kiss my Lord Purple Helmet!! :)

Palimax wtf are you talking about little gnomer? Read my post again and in my post I took nobodys side..In fact said I liked all of ya.Ibudin, that's why I put you on the "yes, Thana's a good necro" side of the discussion. I gave you (and Thana) the benefit of the doubt. My apologies if I wasn't clear enough.

I appreciate your confidence in me as well, thank you.

<blockquote style="padding-left:0.5em; margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0; border-left:solid 2">Also Rip didnt get kicked out of the zone they chose to go do VT instead. Oh wow they left on their own free will not because of Brioma imagine that! Holy shit thats impossible! Use your damn brains.</blockquote>

<blockquote style="padding-left:0.5em; margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0; border-left:solid 2">Wow you wait until page two to bring this up?</blockquote>

You mean, it took him two pages to make it up. We are using our brains, that's why we laugh at your weasling.

Just to give you guys a clue.... If there are about a dozen of so members of each guild there, that is contest, a race. When there are 30 plus FD and 2 RIP, guess what? They beat you. That's the time to send a tell to FD and ask if they are going for the cycle. That's the time to head to VT. That shows respect for others and may earn some respect for youself.

Stupid no-edit double posting...

Ok, yeah, sure I'm bitter, but it just fucking cracks me up that Thana would make a blanket statement about how he's a top-10 necro by nearly every measurement imaginable, and how every necro in that oh-so-exclusive top-10 would agree, when in reality he's only got one measurable top-10 (out of only 32 people surveyed), and top-10 necros have pretty much come out and said otherwise.

I don't have a problem with not being the best necro on the server. I'm probably not. I screw up regularly. Those fear and terror icons used to look awful similar :) I know some of the necros at "the top" of the list have a lot more playtime (and with that comes experience) than I do. And I know that the gear on the necros in the top 3-4 guilds domainates mine by upwards of a thousand HP and 1,500 mana - and math and game mechancics alone says I can't compete with them on even footing provided even SIMILAR skill.

But what you don't see from me is "I'm a top-10 necro, and you're not, and everyone will agree with me!" posts. That'd just be fucking stupid.

Back to bigger fish. Apologies for the big quote:Brioma had absolutely nothing to do with our decision to give Cursed to FD. It wasn’t an official decision to pull him in the first place, just an overeager pull team that got caught up in the competition.

Since we both started the cycle at the same time, we didn’t feel like we were wrong for competing with FD for the cycle. Later, it was decided that getting the kill just wasn’t worth the headache. We had no plans to kill Emp that day, so we called OTM to VT to lessen further conflict. Brioma had absolutely nothing whatsoever at all to do with that decision. Period.

It’s sad how we’re still griefed to death by the board campers, even when we decide to give FD a mob that we could have killed ourselves with absolutely no repercussions. Worst case, maybe a GM would have duped them more loot after we killed it.Sanchek:

RiP and Vision/VA have had their, how shall I say this, "problems" in the past. We've worked together, we've raced targets, and, in a few cases, I think some of your... ...overeager... ...members might have done some things to us that they're never going to fess up to.

I'm not for dragging your guild, or anyone elses guild through the mud for the actions of bad members. I hope neither of the guilds involved in this thread allow their bad members to put them in similar situations.

You say you started the cycle at the same time that FD did. I know FD had much higher numbers in the zone before you did - was FD just waiting on bigger numbers to start, or on another target? Again, this is curiuosity. My only first-hand information is the size of the /who lists in the zone and a handful of shouts. We weren't online in force yet, so we were happy to take Rhag2/AL while all the dick-measuring at the Cursed cycle was going on.

Anyway, just curious - as always.

Even if RIP had fewer people, the first 2 bosses in cycle arent really hard to take with 12-15 people...

Actually we were waiting for all of the trigger mobs to spawn. Scroll back to one of Kulman's posts. It says it all. He was a puller that night.

Its threads like this that make me glad im in a small guild, and just a middle of the road necro.



63 Warlock Khaymann (Human) <Aegis Draconis>

was FD just waiting on bigger numbers to start

FD was waiting for the rest of the TM's to spawn.

I just signed up with eqrankings.com. what a stupid site, lol

Like 1/10th of the server knows about it. Anyway, how can you tell where you rank on your server? It seems quite limited in filtering.

Sorted by mana, you're #39. /shrug.

This is the page you want.
www.eqrankings.com/?rm=ov...s=&server= (http://www.eqrankings.com/?rm=overview&class=&server=)

(And yes, it's a useless dick-measuring device.)

pfft. only ranking you should care about is when u log off and ask yourself "did i do the best i could, and was of the most service to my guild and fellow players that i could be?" If you can answer yes then odds are u are logging off happy and that means you feel like number 1 and thats all that counts. enough motivational crap. back to the flamage!

just an overeager pull team that got caught up in the competition

I knew it was Vanni's fault! *glares at the half burned, half frozen, and half drowned monkey next to his computer*

EQRankings would be valid if it only took verified profiles. /shrug

Boneskin: When I'm not having fun, I log off. :) That's why I had 200 days played when Velious launched, and I'm still under 300 now. It used to be more fun.

take a spirit quest to PoM before they change it. seek out your power animal, then kill it. It will make u feel better Palimax.

/snore

omg i'm the 27th best warrior on the server according to EQrankings!!! goooooooooo me!

I was 39, HP-wise. :(

Brel is the #1 warrior on the server for me.

'course I like my beer cold, my TV loud and my Warriors FAAAAAAAALAMING!


:rollin

Flaming warriors? I guess you've never seen my armor dyes. :p

hah!

Yeah..I posted my profile on EQRankings....Let's put it this way; if anyone was trying to measure my e-penis I might as well have a vagina.

im 100% pink im teh gay!

WTF RiP is still a guild? Shouldn't they have been booted by now?

And your right Buz, was in RiP, not gonna get into many decent guilds on this server.

Thank god we don't have to argue with RiP over lame snakes anymore!!!

Winnie and Meno added their profiles to eqrankings this week. The rest of us are all officially now in whatever our old position was minus 2 :)

My necro owns all. 17 days played and I've already managed to kill 3 druids.

How about some wizards?

Ibudin

You say you started the cycle at the same time that FD did. I know FD had much higher numbers in the zone before you did - was FD just waiting on bigger numbers to start, or on another target? Again, this is curiosity. My only first-hand information is the size of the /who lists in the zone and a handful of shouts. We weren't online in force yet, so we were happy to take Rhag2/AL while all the dick-measuring at the Cursed cycle was going on.

Anyway, just curious - as always.
We had people in zone camping Emp key pieces and trackers watching zone for most of the day. Through those two sources, we noted that someone had been periodically killing single trigger mobs all day to block the cycle, and that eventually FD was just sitting around not engaging; leaving the cycle triggers all up. So, we called OTM to it then.

If blocking cycle triggers for multiple spawns of the trigger entitles a guild to take the cycle at any point afterwards, I suppose everyone should just start killing fake blood before Emp spawns and Vind before Statue spawns; just to call dibs on a distant future spawn. Ultimately, the Cursed cycle is one of the hardest ones to make a call on, since there are multiple triggers. At least with Emp or AoW, it's clear who engaged the single trigger first.

For crathern56, who must have called the Psychic Friends network for that interesting "TL out of zone or it will be done for you" deal; here's Heggen's dialog with Brioma regarding Cursed that night:

http://www.guildrip.com/screenshots/brioma_cursed.gif

Notice that before Brioma really says much to Heggen, our officers are already talking about who's going to move Cursed to FD and headed to VT. So, umm... Yeah. Doesn't sound much like an order to leave the zone, does it?

We did offer a lotto. That's about as close to fair as you can get in a situation where both guilds started the cycle. I think that blurring the mob and walking away is far more than fair to FD, given how it all went down. It's certainly more courtesy than they offered us. Here's Dashmoo's idea of working with us (AFTER Cursed was already moved back to their camp and over half way dead):

http://www.guildrip.com/screenshots/dashmoo_cursed.gif

As far as our members having a hard time getting into another guild goes... It should be noted that there are former RiP members in every elemental guild on the server, except CB. On SolRo, probably 1/3 of Paradigm (the resident top guild, for non SolRo natives) was ex-RiP members at one time. If anything, having been in RiP has always been a stamp of approval for getting into a higher tier guild for those in a big hurry to see the end game (whereas, we prefer to progress through the entire game and see everything on the way to the end).

You homos have destroyed this thread :(

I blame the necros personally. Damn them for being so kickass! Damn them to hell!

For the record, the VA people were only killing Taskmasters for pouches, early in the day, and I received tells from at least one FD member thanking us for stopping when asked.

The Irony of RiP...too funny.

I suppose everyone should just start killing fake blood before Emp spawns
Oh you mean like RiP has done?

We had people in zone camping Emp key pieces and trackers watching zone for most of the day. Through those two sources, we noted that someone had been periodically killing single trigger mobs all day to block the cycle, and that eventually FD was just sitting around not engaging; leaving the cycle triggers all up. So, we called OTM to it then

You did not have people doing that all day, as a matter of fact you only started to come into zone when the rare spawned. Please read back a few pages to the Malcified version of the story.

That's about as close to fair as you can get in a situation where both guilds started the cycle.

The rare spawned and there were a few TM's that needed to spawn due to VA being in the basement and camping pouches, seems FD asked VA to stop killing TM's as they were going to do Cursed cycle. So along comes RiP with a force not big enough to do cursed, and totally ignores the fact that FD has a raid force in place and ready to not only engage but has been engaging TM's and both Rhoth's, so RiP kills 3 TM's and then ever so kindly (sarcastic) offers to roll on the spawn with FD.

Yet you still try to make FD look in the wrong, even after VA has said they were killing the TM's You retardely post very edited screen shots of a conversation with you and Brioma and of you accusing FD of blocking the spawn by killing the TM's (note; RiP is guilty of not only doing this in the past but of killing fake Blood to hold up emp spawn)

Oh but lets not forget, heres what Malse has said REALLY happened that day.
Rest in Peace had zoned in and killed three taskmasters and was in the process of pulling more when FD also began to kill them. Ironically, FD claims that someone from VA had been killing a few TMs earlier and had messed up the spawn, despite all the TMs being up for 20-30 minutes by the time anyone started killing them.


Just do yourselves a favor, admit you are full of shit and got caugut KS'ing a mob and apologize to ALL of the guilds that despise your guild for its behavior on spawns like EMP, AoW, Cursed, HoT mobs, and yes even VT. Dont do it anymore and people just might find the ability to respect you more than they do dogshit.

Even if I wasn't biased I would still respect them more than a little bitch who comes crying to the boards about how someone ALMOST (THEY DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING KILL IT) took "your" mob.

I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to respond to an anonymous moron too stupid to even reference a single coherent account of what he imagined happened that day, but for the sake of argument I'll pretend you can read instead of just skimming every post for the first snippet of text you can take out of context and blather about.

Firstly, RiP has never, ever killed a TM to block Cursed. That dubious distinction belongs solely to CB and FD, as far as I know. Secondly, we have never killed the fake blood when the Emperor wasn't up solely for the sake of denying someone else the Emperor. A force of about 24 people went in one morning and killed the REAL blood, while the Emperor was up, for the Blood loot and to see if they could potentially do the Emperor. They killed Blood and chickened out of trying the Emperor. No other guild was in Ssra at that time, and the Emperor/real Blood had been up for several hours before. Landslide zoned in hours later to find the Blood up and killed the Emperor without issue. Contrast this to nearly the entire month of July when members of Final Destiny all but bragged about how they were blocking other people from Cursed by killing TMs.

I remember catching them down there once and politely asking them to not kill TMs when Cursed was due, only to get a delayed reaction "fuck you" as the cowards scurried from the zone. Then, about a month later, a member of the Asian alliance posted on their own public board asking why they had been doing the exact same thing WHILE Nights, Kaze and friends were sitting there buffing (This thread mysteriously vanished along with a few more taskmasters). It was hilarious -- the Kaze people offered to let them loot the pouches they lied about needing, but Chenoa and friends neglected to take the items they critically needed to get that morning as they ran out the door. Pity nobody sent Palimax screenshots of that one, huh? Fortunately for FD, the members so embarassed by their own guild only told a select few people.

I'm still laughing at the idea that my INCREDIBLE PSYCHIC POWERS enabled me to log into Ssra 30 minutes before a mob I had no idea had been killed was going to spawn, call OTM, and get us there with a force sufficient to do Cursed (who has, incidently, never been that hard. I've seen him die to about 15) to arrive AT THE PRECISE MOMENT that Taskmaster would spawn. These are problably the same incredible psychic powers that enabled me to get the hell out of FD two years ago -- largely because I was so tired of moving to a zone, then sitting and doing nothing for hours. That's of course totally different from what they do now ... like the day they OTM to Ssra nearly 30 hours before the Emperor was even due and sat in his room singing campfire songs. I'm so in awe of their spawn trackers, how could I ever doubt them!

As for the GM action of that day, maybe if your stupid ass could actually read the referenced screenshots, in which Brioma was talking to us AFTER we had given the mob back to FD, you'll see that she was in fact quite congential and confident that the issue was resolved. But since that goes against your own entirely contrived sequence of events, your tiny little mind conveniently ignores it.

Where were these threads when SoT and RiP and CB were competing over the Emperor. Shockingly absent! Where is the thread when (unnamed guild 1) trains the holy hell out (other unnamed guild 2) who's doing the Plane of Earth rings? Shockingly absent! Or how about the time FD leapfrogged us to Rumblecrush last year. Shockingly absent!

I'm actually glad we only really had to deal with SoT in NToV, because they were actually pretty nice compared to what FD did some other guilds there, and any guild that's had to deal with SoT knows just how much a left-handed compliment that is. All you board-whores would have had a field day if all the guilds FD routinely fucked with were the bunch of whining nancy-boys posting here. EW, IVM, RiP, Landslide, SoT, CB, even LOTJ routinely compete for stuff. A week doesn't go by when one of those guilds doesn't compete with another for something. Most of the membership of those guild can remember incidents in which that competition got pretty fierce. Most of the respect those guilds retain for each other is based on the fact that the loser bucks up and tries harder next time instead of whining and crying like a spoiled child.

But oh no, then the board whores wouldn't get to make uninformed comments about situations that don't concern them! Although, I must admit I enjoy being made out as this malevolent villian out to repress all the good people of the server, it's going to look great alongside my psychic powers if I ever try to join the CIA.

Maybe you, Crathern##, could get that kinda street cred if you were man enough to put your name by all that lackwitted drivel you're spewing.

I have refrained from posting on this thread as well as this board as it seems to attract nothing but flies. However since you have made the concious choice of mentioning me by name I shall respond directly.

Firstly, RiP has never, ever killed a TM to block Cursed.
Might be true, but RiP has most certainly killed the rare to block it.

Having been on of the first FD in the zone that night I can say there was 1 or 2 RiP in zone when I arrived. The rare was up as were some, but not all Taskmasters. I had gone to the basement and there were some members of VA killing the Taskmasters for key parts. I spoke directly to a member of VA, Wumlace I believe and asked if he would stop killing the TMs as we were there in raid force to do Cursed. Wumlace had stated that they needed one more pouch and would stop as soon as they got it, also asking me if we had intentions of doing AL, at which time I told him we would not go for AL but would do Cursed and Emp. They got their pouch with the next kill, I then recorded the time of the kill so as we would know when the cycle was ready to start.

Anyone who has experienced the wonder that is SSRA know's full well of the spawn time of the Taskmasters, 2 hours after a kill. So as is NECESSARY to hold the camp my guild stayed in the basement and waited for the spawn of the final Taskmaster in order to do cursed.

Obviously as you had stated Malse you were also watching the spawn time of the Taskmasters.

You even have the audacity to deny that you have ever not tried to block the Emperor spawn by killing blood and zoning out.
A force of about 24 people went in one morning and killed the REAL blood, while the Emperor was up, for the Blood loot and to see if they could potentially do the Emperor
Both you and I and many others know this is far from the truth, your own members were directly quoted in screenshots saying what had been done, IE: The Bard Channel, remember that? I also was in SSRA at that time and remember RiP members doing ooc's that emp was down, when in reality you had killed fake blood to hide the spawn for 4 hours. I think what you never counted on was landslide deciding to go back to SSRA and do the Emperor that day, guess you were caught off guard.

My issues are not with competition but with your's and others behavior in your guild. The reading of our PRIVATE message board through the accounts of our members that work in the same office as you. Having members of your guild join our PRIVATE guild raid channel using a password that YOU obtained by again accessing our PRIVATE message board. Having members of your guild join our guild only to keep abreast of what we are doing and where we are going. I truly wonder at your desire to be so unethical, and I am certain the behaviour you display in this aspect of a game is a reflection of the person you truly are.

I'm actually glad we only really had to deal with SoT in NToV, because they were actually pretty nice compared to what FD did some other guilds there

What guilds were these and what was done? Please be specific. I can honestly answer that I have been on what I believe are ALL the raids in NTOV with Final Destiny and have not one time witnessed my guild neither train, leapfrog or ks another guild, but I have seen us amiably work out a deal with 2 guilds as to who took what spawns, the same as we have done on Emperor with both the Asian Alliance and Landslide.

Where were these threads when SoT and RiP and CB were competing over the Emperor.
They were all over these boards, your memory is as short as your...

Chenoa said (regarding the killing of mobs to block the Cursed Spawn):

"Might be true, but RiP has most certainly killed the rare to block it."

Sorry to burst yer bubble Chenoa but RiP has never killed any of the mobs associated with the Cursed Cycle to block the cycle for other guilds - ever. Just because your guild does it as a matter of routine whenever the triggers spawn and FD doesn't have enough members online to kill Cursed, doesn't mean that RiP stoops to this lameness.

No threads on IVM vs LS vs EW??

Where the fuck were you when "This one's for Landslide" was the shit?

I also remember a thread with a picture of someone training many dragons on another guild.

Quit fucking whining about people bitching about stuff on a NAG board. It's here to vent and air dirty laundry.

You play your games, and we'll play ours. :)

Chenoa said:


"Anyone who has experienced the wonder that is SSRA know's full well of the spawn time of the Taskmasters, 2 hours after a kill. So as is NECESSARY to hold the camp my guild stayed in the basement and waited for the spawn of the final Taskmaster in order to do cursed."

Without bothering with VT's rules concerning camps, especially unspawned ones, there is a huge flaw in your logic Chenoa. As a guild, it is your habit to log into Ssra on the day Cursed is due, and kill the Cursed Cycle trigger mob over and over until you're good and ready to start the cycle. This is not holding a camp by any means, ergo FD abrogated what you see as your rights.

By purposefully killing the trigger mobs to screw with the cycle, FD forces other guilds in a race for the Cursed Cycle the instant the triggers are back up. Stating that they own the Cursed Camp because they've been in Ssra for hours screwing the cycle up is illogical. Demanding that a "camp" such as this be respected is ridiculous, and whining that other guilds didn't do so, when the situation is created on purpose by FD even more so.

Since the situation was iffy at best as to who could lay claim to this cycle, RiP chose to back off and move to another target. Yet, you still choose to come to these boards whining and expect respect from others for a "camp" that you intentionally artificially create week after week for the sole purpose of blocking other guilds access to this spawn.

FD simply proves that they cannot mobilize quickly enough nor compete for a spawn, therefore the only recourse they have is to fuck with the triggers and whine on the nag boards.

Lame.

As a guild, it is your habit to log into Ssra on the day Cursed is due

As is your guilds habit. Funny how you had kept SoT from going near Cursed. I wonder how you did it?


the only recourse they have is to fuck with the triggers and whine on the nag boards
You guys do pretty good in that area yourselves :) ummm I see you whining pretty good.

These are problably the same incredible psychic powers that enabled me to get the hell out of FD two years ago

"We were his friends, faithful, and just to him;
But Malse says, we were ambitious,
And Malse is an honorable man.
We hath brought many loots home to the Guild,
Whose Magelo's did the members coffers fill.
Did this in Final Destiny seem ambitious?
When the poor have cried, Final Destiny hath wept.
Ambition should me made of sterner stuff,
Yet Malse says, he was ambitious;
And Malse is an honorable man."

Seriously i don't know why you even bother either Malse. I'm sure you can come up with a good explanation to rationalize every fucked up lame shit your guild does when they realize they can't compete. No one is buying it though. Of the reason everyone is hating on RiP and not FD is because the people FD fucks over don't bother to post... yeah thats the ticket.

Et tu Brute!?

OMG Dart that brings back My racist teacher in High School English. I spent 2 weeks memorizing that damn part only to fail it because I didnt bring a Toga!! What a bitch that lady was.

ROTFL thank you for the laugh, it's Monday and I needed this.

As is your guilds habit. Funny how you had kept SoT from going near Cursed. I wonder how you did it?

From my memories of when SoT and RiP competed for the Cursed Cycle at the same time, I know that neither guild contested this spawn from the other. Either SoT / RiP would zone in, go get Cursed, or if they saw the other guild on top of the Cursed Cycle, walked away and picked another target. RiP didn't keep SoT from doing Cursed except for the nights both guilds were stuck sitting forever in Emperor room. Guess you could call that keeping either guild from killing the Cursed Cycle ;P~~

Just because it's in your habit and your guild policy to spend 8 + hours killing one trigger mob because you don't have a sufficient force at the time of the spawn to engage the Cycle, doesn't mean other guilds even think of doing this.

As for whining - I stated facts, not a "waaaaa I can't go kill this mob cuz I can't compete" post. I've no problems losing a spawn to a better prepared guild, I've no problems competing and racing for a rare spawn - may the better, fastest, prepared guild win. Be proud to be in a guild that week after week purposefully going out of their way to scramble a Cycle because they cannot compete otherwise if you wish. I'm still entitled to think this lame.

My issues are not with competition but with your's and others behavior in your guild. The reading of our PRIVATE message board through the accounts of our members that work in the same office as you. Having members of your guild join our PRIVATE guild raid channel using a password that YOU obtained by again accessing our PRIVATE message board. Having members of your guild join our guild only to keep abreast of what we are doing and where we are going. I truly wonder at your desire to be so unethical, and I am certain the behaviour you display in this aspect of a game is a reflection of the person you truly are.

Oh please lets get back onto the plane of reality. Any guild can pretty well figure out what another guild is up to if they're anywhere near a target that's on your guild's list. That's what trackers are for and the /w command. RiP certainly doesn't need to resort to the unappealing task of asking a poor member to guild with FD to peek at their guildchat to get information, and would never subject any of their members to such torture.

Target tracking, and being informed about other guild's doings are a normal part of any self respecting guild that wishes to raid. I'm sure even EW doesn't simply log on and calls for a raid without having the benefit of the most basic of information.

BTW, if your private message boards have such a security problem that any Tom, Dick and Harry can access them (as you stated), then I'd suggest having your board admin talk to Sanchek and get a few basic, common sense security tips.

The reading of our PRIVATE message board through the accounts of our members that work in the same office as you. Having members of your guild join our PRIVATE guild raid channel using a password that YOU obtained by again accessing our PRIVATE message board.

Thats not a security problem, its an integrity issue.

Golf clap for being able to look up Julius Caesar. I'll add the murder of Roman Emperors to my CIA resume too.



Having members of your guild join our PRIVATE guild raid channel using a password that YOU obtained by again accessing our PRIVATE message board. Having members of your guild join our guild only to keep abreast of what we are doing and where we are going.

I'm not exactly sure what you're going on about, since the only time I was ever in any FD channel was during the abortive talks we had (you know, back when you guys loved us so much you wanted to merge with us). I have no recollection of any member of RIP ever joining FD, with the exception of Nugs. You've got a few people that didn't make it through our recruitment process, for one reason or another (not implicitly bad reasons), other than that I can't figure out who you're talking about. If you're trying to say Nugs is our own James Bond, you're smoking more than he is. It doesn't even take my tremedous psychic powers to know what FD is doing -- if it's Ssra respawn day, they're in the Ssra basement killing TMs.


Funny how you had kept SoT from going near Cursed. I wonder how you did it?

SoT got to Cursed a few times, we got to him more. During the same period, Landslide, Asian Alliance, and LOTJ got him a few times too. We didn't keep them from going near him so much as we didn't sit around for hours twiddling our thumbs before spawning him. You can just kill all the taskmasters and Rzhoths and then you know, kill Cursed. It's fairly easy when someone isn't screwing with the TM spawns all day.

As for the Emperor, if we really intended to block the Emperor all day like you guys do with Cursed, don't you think we would have been back to do it again? Misquoted stupidity from Kelraz and obviously sarcastic comments in ooc aside, it's not like it'd be super hard to kill the Blood every three hours.


As for everyone hating on RiP, the only people I see doing it are from SoT and FD. No big shock. Maybe one day FD and SoT will be in the same zone and then we'll really see the feathers fly.

Golf clap for being able to look up Julius Caesar

I quoted it from memory actually, and I thought it was pretty damn kneeslapping funny, let alone golf clap funny.

It almost inspired me to start a slow clap here in the office.

Killing mobs to prevent spawns, KSing, training..
What is up with you people.

The joke's on those killing the cursed trigger mobs, seen as they spend their time and money to sit in that godforsaken basement just to screw someone else over.
Seriously - laugh's on you if that's how you spend your time.

Me? Fun and laughs. Fun and laughs baby.

I know that RIP has had access to our forums, one time or another.. I guess you quoting me from the forum in a tell did it, Malse. When you decided you would harrass me out of the blue. (I had no fucking idea who you were)

I was told you didn't have access anymore, I believe our pal who told me that.

Ah, yes, RiP isn't honourable nor does it have integrity.

FD sits in Ssra forever killing TM's until they have a sufficient force to mobilize to kill the Cursed Cycle, and in effect block any other guild, be it RiP or the Asians from this cycle. On their Public message board they lie about needing the pouches. Yep that's fair play and honour.

Per a guide's rule of engagement, RiP sits outside the Emperor room, FD sits inside, both parties being aware of the rules set forth by the guide 3 hours previous to the Blood spawning. FD's leadership simply instructs it's members to train the portal, using the justification that RiP is blocking the entrance.

The portal is HUGE, our entire guild force at the back of the portal, but we're blocking it? RiP is exactly where it said it would be to both Dashmoo and the guide, but FD finds it necessary to train. Yup that's truly integrity and honour.

Paranoia hits you and lame stories which are unfounded and unproven, nor even backed up by finger pointing to a person, just some vague "somone" is peeking at super secret boards. Yup, that's integrity and honour.

Whining and hopping on the Nag board and distorting the day's event any time you lose a fight fair and square, played according to VI's rules and GM's guidelines established for that particular encounter. Total fair play and honourable.

Name calling Malse for withdrawing our forces from Ssra, blurring and running the mob to FD's forces, leaving you in peace to finish up the mob. Absolute integrity and honour.

Ya, with FD definitions of honour and integrity, I'm damned glad I'm in RiP and don't have to follow that particular definition. :P

Kae
Officer - Rest in Peace

You RiP folks need to go back and remind yourself who started this thread. Wasn't FD. We didn't come here whining either. Whining is what you do when you lose and can't take losing. We won. Therefore we came here to further ridicule you and respond to that lame ass excuse that Malse posted in an attempt to whitewash your actions for the day. Reread my posts and refresh yourself on the events of the day. Acknowledge the events as the truth, as you know they happened that way, and stop whining yourselves about this, that, and the other that FD allegedly does to other guilds or offer some proof.

ROTFL

Tip: Peek at who started the thread before typing without thinking.

Honestly, aren't you tired of playing "Victim"?

Can't compete with a mob fairly? Whine to a guide, another guide then a GM and get rifts for something you did NOT earn.

Petition lag because......(sorry haven't figured that one out yet).

Make up silly stories about how Evil RiP is reading your Ultra Uber Secret Plans when things go wrong.

Post on a thread whining about how horrible RiP is that clearly stated that RiP walked away from a mob because the situation was iffy and we chose to not have to deal with the BS involved.

Guess whenever you have to compete the "victim syndrome" hits your entire guild, and it's OMG time. Don't you find it tiring to have to post on every single encounter where you actually have competition? Don't you find it exhausting to have to play the poor oppressed guild every single time things don't go your way? Don't you find it utterly silly that you're calling RiP "evil" for stepping away BECAUSE who had claim to the cursed spawn iffy?

Whine they stole my mob, brought it back to me and I got to kill it ...gimme rifts now kkthks.

Grow up, deal with it, and stop acting the wronged party in every single encounter with whatever guild crosses your path.

OMG they brought the mob back to me and let me kill it !!!! Evil evil RiP!! Ban them !!!

Gag


Kae

Tip: Peek at who started the thread before typing without thinking.A VA ranger posted the first message - in response to a request from the secret-ranger-channel-that-I'm-not-allowed-into channel. We were simply neutral observers who had /log on when Brioma started shouting.

Brioma shouting was the news, not this pissing match the two of you are in.

How did SOT get involved in this other than reading this thread for humor as I am sure most of my guildmates have done like me .
The issues SOT had with RIP are all in the past as we choose to put them behind us and move on like adults.
I personaly had several issues which upset me greatly from the train on us when we were doing HP one time to the outrught theft of AOW as was done by RIP on several guilds awhile back and I can say since I have been SOT we have never retaliated even though we were clearly in the right and lies don't change this so say what you will .
Now I wasn't with SOT back when the raided NTOV regulary but have heard some of the nightmare stories but again they are all in the past as we decided to just move on and to not fight over spawns as it is childish and helps no one kind of like arguing on the internet.
Since our decision to move on we have fought our way to the elemental planes where we use communication with the other elemental flagged guilds to decide our targets and aside from one incident it has worked excellent .Now given we are lucky and all the elemental flagged guilds have been through enough BS that we all ( at least I think we are all on the same page here ) would rather just get along and if we see a raid force in a zone we talk to there RL and decide our targets based on whats free not racing or trying any low tricks to get a spawn away from the other guild .

Nategray
Shaman of SOT

Actually RiP never killed TM's with the intent to delay SoT from taking the cursed to my memory, and the main reason we got the cursed less is because the emp / cursed had an annoying tendency to spawn on the same day, and naturally Emp > cursed, since vt > stupid laggy BS filled zone (ie: ssra).

Nategray Writes this

The issues SOT had with RIP are all in the past as we choose to put them behind us and move on like adults

Then rips on RiP for the rest of his message.

Very Adult of you Nate !!!!

Excuse me but did I not say that the issues were in the past and that it was me that was upset over those issues in THE PAST but I have goten over them attack me all you like it only proves me right that some of us let it go of things and some don't. I hold nothing against RIP at this time and refuse to get into a childish argument with you even though you try to bait me . Yes I said I was upset over what RIP did but that was almost a year ago and guess what I could care less about it now I said if you are going to quote me that I was upset but that we also did nothing but move on not sure how that is ripping on you do you deny what happened .... there are always 2 sides to each story please feel free to tell me your side of the HP incident or the AOW one I am all ears.... and if you think I was ripping you about NTOV you couldn't be more wrong all I said is that I heard some nightmare stories guess what from what I hear neither of our guilds were saints about NTOV before I joined again not sure how this is ripping on you but take it as you will I am in what I consider an honorable guild and to me that means alot . You might have missed my point but its a simple one so I will spell it out COMMUNICATION if you see a raid force in a zone speak to there RL if they are going for a certain spawn move on to another as I have read several RIP people in this thread say thats what you did good for them and your guild . They sound like some people that like me would rather get a spawn uncontested that play BS games however it appears that not all of your guild has this mind set sadly I am thinking you included. This is the last I will post here as it was just a humerous thread to me but not any longer I merely posted my above post because of a direct attack saying we were ripping on you in this thread and I didn't see us doing that at all in this thread if I am wrong and missed a post where a SOT person was ripping RIP I apolgize but alas I wasn't trying to .

It really must be nice to go through life with blinders or rose colored glasses, or whatever it is that skews your vision.

several VA people have come forward and said they were killing taskmasters for pouches, yet rip_player_01 2 and 3 STILL come here screaming that FD was cockblocking.

VA member posts to start this thread, yet evil FD is STILL blamed.

GM Brioma says, if you didnt spawn it, leave it alone. RiP leaves it alone and flees the scene, yet STILL contends that it was their spawn.

Random RiP players contend how they are squeeky clean, but posts point to them as bad guys just about weekly for 2-3 years saying otherwise.

psy·cho·sis ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-kss)
n. pl. psy·cho·ses (-sz)
A severe mental disorder, with or without organic damage, characterized by derangement of personality and loss of contact with reality and causing deterioration of normal social functioning.

don't worry. there are plenty of people that see FD as the retarded kid on the bus. some enjoy poking them with a pencil and watching them spaz out more than others.

Kae. You fail to realize i'm not here whining or flaming or bitching or any of that. I don't do that. I'm here sharing the truth with folks about your actions, in response to a lame whitewashed version of the encounter posted by Malse. Instead of simply admitting you made an improper move, you continue whining about stuff we've done and trying to turn attention away from what you guys know you did. Reread my posts as i suggested. Nod your head at points 1,2,3, etc. Say to yourself, "Yes. That IS how it happened." Then go think about why the truth revealed in a public forum hurts you so much you feel the need to retaliate, rather than admitting to your mistake of the day.

Can't compete with a mob fairly?

So, engaging the blood and holding him at 20% for 15 min while your guild Coth's more up is considered "fair" in your mind. LOL

Well, at least it wasn't like a previous time. You remember, the one where you engaged the Blood for over 30 min.

Man o' Man I've sat here attempting read these posts for a good 2 hours. My ass is aching in the chair, my eyes are watering, and I still become samazaed that there are this many people on all sides still whining about this. That goes for Fd, Rip,SoT,IVm, blah blah blah. Crikey you folks should volunteer at some worthy charity and quit pissing and moaning like a 5 yr old whose toy broke. I mean fooking christ! Someone kill this post. It amazes me people pay money monthly to play a game and then insist on pissing and moaning about it. Quite frankly I'm a little embarrased for everyone.
Celticrugger
65 War FD

hehe celtic the man with a Inc message for each day of the week and for every holiday occasion

Well said Celticrugger!

I think you all need a teabagging.

Hi!

Final Destiny is a great guild who would never do such evil things like RiP. They are Angels.

So a single group of FD people wouldn't kill the trigger mobs for the Cursed Cycle just because it popped in euro time. No way sir!
They just accidentally run into random taskmasters while they were looking for the Ldon dungeon entrance.
Yeah, that must be it!

Go go Angels!

Come on, it takes BALLS for FD to come here to a thread they should have ignored completely and bitch about RiP's gameplay after that rift charity fiasco last week.

Definately ballsy...or stupid.

pub146.ezboard.com/feqripfrm1.showMessage?topicID=643.topic (http://pub146.ezboard.com/feqripfrm1.showMessage?topicID=643.topic)

Oh good they moved it. Carry on, nothing more to see here.

wow that thread disappeared fast :)

interesting read

I had it moved per his request on the thread. Toobs send me a tell in-game tonight if you're on.

Returning now to thoughts of Blair, Tootie, and Jo.

You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The facts of life, the facts of life.

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Well, I was told to go the kiddy table, I just assumed this was where I was supposed to go.

Thana just sucks . any questions?

Good work bringing it to the top, retard.

What the fuck? My LSD just wore off and somehow I just lost 4 months of my life! I WANT MY FUCKING FOUR MONTHS BACK, ASSHOLE!

I wish palimax would post the gd pics :(

/kicks palimax in the nuts and /cuts all the wires on his arcade!

"Thana just sucks . any questions?"

I have 2 questions Terriaxia:

1) are you just slow or is what lyric said true that the drugs are finally wearing off.

2) Is this a VA probie initiation stunt/hazing? :eek

where did this non sequiter response come from ?

Arch Lich Thana

if zipporbob or whatever is Terriaxia, then I may have a bit of insight.

Terriaxa is upset because she got caught screwing with me and got a warning from a GM.

Terriaxa for 2 days in a row was training me, then dispelling my charmed mobs in drunder. on day 2, she got caught in the act, and recieved a warning from the GM. so rather than say she's sorry, or that SHE did something wrong, she lashes out at me in some ambigious post.

Arch Lich Thana

Doesnt surprise me, really. Can we now let this post circulate out of the top please? thanks.

This was one of the more entertaining threads in the last few months.

Hopefully GoD will provide more "FUCK YOU" and less "God Dammit I may need to backflag an alt with them one day"

Oh n0z!


huhu ^_^

Stupid brinkster. Clickz0rz plz! Huhu ^_^

bah that was all ? I was hoping for some leet post :( about how the guild prefers to damange bossillo's annals :(

At least the link's working /rude brinkster.

/shrug

www25.brinkster.com/pitts34/FD3.jpg (http://www25.brinkster.com/pitts34/FD3.jpg)

Hope the links are working actually.

Two things:

One, you gotta copy and paste the link address to make it work.

hahahaha...yeah thats from Pielover23...who is actually Fhylden from FD who was retardly a spy for RiP. He was the one who kept giving Malse access to our boards.

It is a shame that private posts from a members only area of a guild are allowed to be stolen and posted here. Gratz mod's.


I thought there was more?

More of a shame that there are things going on in there that need to be kept hush hush.

More of a shame that there are things going on in there that need to be kept hush hush.

You've never been in a decent guild have you?

Does that make it so it's not a shame?

Yup, that's 2 of the three pictures Pielover sent me, and then FD identified through my website stats.

Whats the shame? It's not a KS. It's not leapfrogging, it's killing mobs to hold a spawn for a guild.

It doesnt have to be kept hushhush as you say. Guilds have PRIVATE areas where members post. The keyword there is PRIVATE.

The fact that messages from my guilds private area are posted is the shame here. The fact that another guild would go so far as to actually have someone let their officers into another guilds private area is the shame.

The fact that the board mod's allow it to stay is the shame.


Well...so much for the privacy and security of Final Destiny's members message board.

Lies! Looks like it's all three. (People send me all sorts of stuff...)

Oh well, I'm sure we'll be hearing how "out of context" it is, and, frankly, I wouldn't want private forums from my board re-posted, but, hell, FD has had access to our boards (through several accounts) for a LONG TIME, so, I wouldn't wanna see them bitch too loudly about violation of their privacy.

The fact that the board mod's allow it to stay is the shame

First of all, it was posted less than an hour ago, so I'm not quite sure what the fuck you're talking about. Secondly, if talking about screwing guilds over is the norm for fd, and causes you no shame....more power to you....I guess....

I didn't post the 3rd for protection of the innocent.

Well, you posted FD1 and FD3.... Since people have to C&P the links, there's a good chance people might stumble over the other one...

My post needs no clarification, you all know I'm an asshole. wuwu!

Damnit.

Good luck finding FD2 now!! Muahahaha!

Double post.

Not to hard to find when you have a copy, now are they...

FD has had access to our boards (through several accounts) for a LONG TIME

I am unaware of anyone from FD having access to your boards, if they do, I guess you need to fix that huh.
Do you see anything from your boards posted here by anyone in FD? I assure you if they did I would guildremove them immediately. The same as we have done to anyone who has ninja looted....but you wouldnt know about that would you Palimax.

I am unaware of anyone from FD having access to your boards, if they do, I guess you need to fix that huh.
Do you see anything from your boards posted here by anyone in FD? I assure you if they did I would guildremove them immediately. The same as we have done to anyone who has ninja looted....but you wouldnt know about that would you Palimax.I'm going to take this step by step. (a) We identified some ex-members who had access to our forums who when they retired didn't have their access removed. When they un-retired and later joined FD, they still had message board access. They've only recently had it removed.

(b) Actually, we did get rid of at least one ninja-looter. They joined a new guild. *drumroll* Final Destiny!

Oh well, at least some lucky FD member got DKP for recruiting them...

I'm sure the other 3 active raiders left in VA are glad to see those people gone too, more DKP for the Feigned necro in the corner.

Wait who could that be?

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Oh, Dart, you're so witty.

First of all, nobody in this guild, myself included, gets DKP for being AFK at raids, if you were in this guild, you'd know that. One of the reasons we use DKP is so that every last bit of treasure, every last bit of DKP is recorded above the table for all to see. All logs are posted, all logs are entered by volunteers, and anyone with the desire to spend the time operating it can maintain our DKP database.

Second, there's a couple people who joined your guild for your earlier raiding schedule and to skip ahead in the game by a handful of targets that I'll miss -- they were good people, and I hope that they're enjoying themselves in Final Destiny. But, there's a couple people you picked up that you're welcome to keep. Good riddance to bad news.

Nobody cares.

Well I'm unaware of any Ninja looters from VA that we have in FD, however with the high incidence of it associated with your guild I will grant you there is the possibility.
But you know what, I kind of figured the best you could do would be to try and turn it around and skirt the issue.

Pretty lame to say FD members had board access and it turns out it was your own inatentive laziness that allowed someone who left your guild to still have access to you private forums. Here's a good rule, they leave, remove the board access.

I do know of multiple incidents of your guild members not only ninja looting rifts but shards in Maidens Eye. Purposely training CoTh at the Vex Thal zone line. Whining to our members how we suck because we wont help you kill mobs in VT. Purposely blowing the Emperor spawn to hold it off until you get more people on in 4 hours.

Threatening to Engage blood knowing full well you dont have the numbers to take it down, then asking for a deal of which I made with one of your officers to allow some rifts looted, then attempting to blatantly out DPS us on Blood so you could lay claim to the kill after we had engaged and had CC going. And Yep, we mass TL'd out on you because of your bullshit ways of reneging on deals. At least some of the people in question had the decency to apologize for what they did, but true to form, you ignore it.


Having members so stupid as to ninja loot and then come to our boards and bitch that a GM removed what they had looted. Then give the old explanation of...Oh that wasnt me playing my tooon it was someone else. The list goes on and on and on.

Theres a nice little link for you.

www.finaldestiny.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3656 (http://www.finaldestiny.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3656)

pathetic

Is an anon gutless poster like you.

Drop some fucking names or stop arguing ((((

Holy Jesus Christ!

Pretty lame to say FD members had board access and it turns out it was your own inatentive laziness that allowed someone who left your guild to still have access to you private forums. Here's a good rule, they leave, remove the board access.Let me spell this out for you. They had access. They were in FD. That's it. If that's "lame" of me to mention, then, gee, I guess it's lame. But you guys getting all bent out of shape because someone is willing to break YOUR confidentiality when your have members willing to visit our message boards, it's time to check your fair-play sensor. It's out of allignment.I do know of multiple incidents of your guild members not only ninja looting rifts but shards in Maidens Eye. Purposely training CoTh at the Vex Thal zone line. Whining to our members how we suck because we wont help you kill mobs in VT. Purposely blowing the Emperor spawn to hold it off until you get more people on in 4 hours.Yikes, I'll be clear on this too. We had a couple people who made a RASH mistake of killing snakes in the Emperor room one night after you guys KILLED THE EMPEROR AT THE ZONELINE FOR THE SECOND WEEK IN A ROW. Those people were punished, and later, when we aranged a rift deal for a joint kill that repaid your guild those rifts (which you destroyed anyway). We have exactly as many rifts as we've earned as a guild. No more. No less. Dashmoo and I spoke about the incident, and we both believe it has been settled. If it hasn't, Dashmoo can talk to me.

We've never trained anyone intentionally, and we certainly don't whine about wanting or needing your help to progress in this game. We're doing it JUST FINE at our own speed.

I'm not sure who you're trying to convince about half this bullshit, but if you believe it, you're more insane than I thought.

We don't play like that. We just don't.Threatening to Engage blood knowing full well you dont have the numbers to take it down, then asking for a deal of which I made with one of your officers to allow some rifts looted, then attempting to blatantly out DPS us on Blood so you could lay claim to the kill after we had engaged and had CC going. And Yep, we mass TL'd out on you because of your bullshit ways of reneging on deals. At least some of the people in question had the decency to apologize for what they did, but true to form, you ignore it.Ok, I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. I do recall you assclowns sitting in the back of the Emperor room watching us beat his ass down and then casting a fucking AETL in the middle of our raid. How cute of you. We apprecaite the lag, we apprecaite you enjoying the show, and we certainly apprecaited your rocket-scientist wizards casting AETL in the middle of the Emperor room once you were sure you couldn't vulch and easy kill from us -- you know, the guild your members were sending tells explaining how we could never kill Emperor and didn't deserve the rifts we cooperated for.http://www.base-nine.org/images/thebraden.png
Having members so stupid as to ninja loot and then come to our boards and bitch that a GM removed what they had looted. Then give the old explanation of...Oh that wasnt me playing my tooon it was someone else. The list goes on and on and on.Tikya was confused. She's the nicest person in this guild, and her going to your boards upset should be proof of that. If you want to assume everything is some sort of conspiracy against you because that's how YOUR guild does business, I just don't know what to tell you :(

Let me spell this out for you. They had access. They were in FD. That's it. If that's "lame" of me to mention, then, gee, I guess it's lame

It's lame because of the context you used it in, stop playing the "I'm Palimax I'm innocent" You know as well as I what your intention was when you suggested we had access to your boards.


Nice screenshot of Thebraden. Out of context? You dare say you could have attempted and killed Emp with 15 people? WOW...because the screen shots you show are from 2 different dates. Forgive our guildmembers for being forced to allow 15 VA to loot rifts from a mob that you could not even kill at the time.

I believe I was decent or it seems in this case...stupid enough to fall for the scam, and let your guildies loot 15 rifts just so they would stop killing blood and not even attempt the Emp.


Tikya was confused. She's the nicest person in this guild, and her going to your boards upset should be proof of that. If you want to assume everything is some sort of conspiracy against you because that's how YOUR guild does business, I just don't know what to tell you

Yes I'm most certain she was...That word NO is usually confusing to a ninja looter...funny...she was the only VA that had not left while we were killing Emp...no...it was not anyone from VA that had killed the rift mobs.

Palimax said:
Ok, I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. I do recall you assclowns sitting in the back of the Emperor room watching us beat his ass down and then casting a fucking AETL in the middle of our raid. How cute of you. We apprecaite the lag, we apprecaite you enjoying the show, and we certainly apprecaited your rocket-scientist wizards casting AETL in the middle of the Emperor room once you were sure you couldn't vulch and easy kill from us -- you know, the guild your members were sending tells explaining how we could never kill Emperor and didn't deserve the rifts we cooperated for.

Palimax, the night she's referring to is the night the incident with Tikya happened. (Which they never bothered to report to us....)

As usual, Chenoa is full of shit. Let's pick apart her claims:
I do know of multiple incidents of your guild members not only ninja looting rifts but shards in Maidens Eye. Purposely training CoTh at the Vex Thal zone line. Whining to our members how we suck because we wont help you kill mobs in VT. Purposely blowing the Emperor spawn to hold it off until you get more people on in 4 hours.

None of us have heard anything about our members training you guys in Vex Thal. Apparently you felt it better (if it really did happen) to keep it to yourselves in some lame attempt to collect a smidgen of dirt on us.

Ninja looting shards? By our member's account, the corpse was about ready to rot and there were no FD members in sight, as if you had abandoned the corpse. Not exactly a clear-cut case of malicious ninja looting. Of course, for your people to know it had a shard on it, you would have had to have looked at the corpse... so why did you guys leave it laying there long enough for it to open up and almost rot?

Purposely blowing the Emperor spawn to hold it off until we get more people on in 4 hours? That would be 100% your fault Chenoa. There were only two times were one could even remotely claim this. Once was the second time you pulled the Emperor to the zonein. We were up there first, and we engaged only when attempting to work with you proved futile. You guys ended up with all of the loot and most of the rifts that night anyway (rifts which you destroyed)

The other time was what you were attempting to refer to below:

Threatening to Engage blood knowing full well you dont have the numbers to take it down, then asking for a deal of which I made with one of your officers to allow some rifts looted, then attempting to blatantly out DPS us on Blood so you could lay claim to the kill after we had engaged and had CC going. And Yep, we mass TL'd out on you because of your bullshit ways of reneging on deals. At least some of the people in question had the decency to apologize for what they did, but true to form, you ignore it.

First, against our better wisdom, we tried once again to work with you guys last night, to have a nice, easy kill and get a few remaining rifts out of the deal. Things were going along fine until you attempted to place a ridiculous condition on the deal -- that only the people looting rifts stay in the room. Why would you ask for such a bullshit condition, when you guys have previously shown that you don't mind lagging other guilds in the room. At that point, the deal ceased to exist., so we engaged with the numbers we had... which were borderline (could have used one or two more druids and shaman), and you never know what you can do until you try.

The "out DPS" thing is pure and utter bullshit. We pulled Blood before you did. We engaged first, and because we were one or two healers short, our CC began to fall apart. It was at that point that FD began to jump in. If you're going to try to air a guild's dirty laundry, make sure you get it right before you make yourself look even more stupid (if that's even possible.)

Second, we left after recovering our corpses. Because the Blood was never killed, the spawn wasn't delayed at all. So much for your "OMG!11!!! VA c0ckbl0cked the Emperor!!!11!!oneoen" bullshit.

Let's see... what other shit has FD pulled in Ssra Temple? Aside from the two RIP/FD fights posted here, and the two pulling the Emperor to the zone exploits (one of which was posted about here), what else is there....

Oh yeah, there was the time FD used the EQ CSR representatives to steal the Arch Lich from us! Just a quick summary of the events of that fine evening:
1) FD kills Rhag 1 and leaves the zone for at least an hour
2) VA sees Rhag 2 up, and eventually calls OTM
3) FD also mobilizes and /petitions
4) FD tells the guide that responded "We killed Rhag 1 first, the rest of the cycle is ours, even though we left the zone for at least an hour"
5) Guide (Senior Guide Dystin) stupidly sides with FD.
6) VA asks for esclataion to a GM, and waits (wouldn't look good to go against the guide's rulilng, even if it was clearly wrong)
7) Brioma shows up and reverses Dystin's ruling, but by then it was too late.

So congratualtions Final Destiny for using the EQ CSRs to gimp the Arch Lich! You should be proud of yourselves! Obviously the GM-mob-gimping skills you learned while using them to gimp the Emp and Cursed from RIP have served you well.

(That makes FD involved in at least 5 out of the last 5+ EQ CSR interventions in Ssra Temple at that time...)

Oh, and then there's that time that Palimax referred to, where we had a clean shot at Emp Ssra, but you guys came up into the chamber anyway and sat there through half the kill lagging all to hell. Then you AE TL'd out. Of course, the "Dashmoo says out of character, 'Oops.'" when you entered the chamber was classic and typical of your guild.

The fun is not limited to Ssra Temple, either!

And then there was the night in Vex Thal where Chenoa zoned in an announced in /ooc "We're going to CoTH past you." This was a humorous statement for two reasons: 1) This is the exactl same thing I'd seen other FD officers complain about RIP doing to them. 2) WE WERE SITTING AT THE FUCKING ZONEIN IN PLAIN SIGHT. I bet Chenoa felt all high and mighty that night by announcing that, when all it took was ONE STEP to "CoTH past us". We all got a good laugh out of Chenoa's stupidity that night.

Go go Chenoa! You sure showed us up that night! So tell me, how did Aten Ha Ra go that night?


Oh! A late update by Chenoafag! (Go go tabbed browsing!)
Nice screenshot of Thebraden. Out of context? You dare say you could have attempted and killed Emp with 15 people? WOW...because the screen shots you show are from 2 different dates. Forgive our guildmembers for being forced to allow 15 VA to loot rifts from a mob that you could not even kill at the time.

I believe I was decent or it seems in this case...stupid enough to fall for the scam, and let your guildies loot 15 rifts just so they would stop killing blood and not even attempt the Emp.

Hmm... more shit from Chenoa, as usual. The night you're referring to is the second night you guys tried to gimp the Emperor at the zonein. That was the night where we tried to arrange a deal to team up for a cut of the rifts. You wouldn't give a number of how many you guys needed, so we engaged Blood with the 40 or so people we had up there that night. We killed the Blood and engaged the Emperor, but because that was our first engagement, we wiped. Then you guys exploited him to the zonein, and we petitioned it. The GMs showed up quickly and put the Emperor back where he belonged. At that point, negotiations of some sort resumed and everyone but the 15 or so people that were getting rifts left the zone.

By the way "could not kill", even at that point in time, is a long stretch of the imagination. "Could not kill with 40 people" would be accurate... I seem to recall your guild wiping on the Emperor a week earlier with 50 or more people... so your judgement of the strength of raid forces is obviously suspect.

Nice screenshot of Thebraden. Out of context? You dare say you could have attempted and killed Emp with 15 people? WOW...because the screen shots you show are from 2 different dates. Forgive our guildmembers for being forced to allow 15 VA to loot rifts from a mob that you could not even kill at the time.The context, dear Chenoa, is this. You guys were playing high-and-mighty, doing poor-us a favor by graciously allowing us to loot keys, GIFTS they were. Thebraden let us know exactly how he felt. It didn't matter that we participated in the kill, we didn't earn them. We were just getting your scraps.

He sent that tell on 10/28.

Exactly 8 days later, Emperor was dead to us.It's lame because of the context you used it in, stop playing the "I'm Palimax I'm innocent" You know as well as I what your intention was when you suggested we had access to your boards.Of COURSE I knew what I had in mind when I posted that. It was my intention to demonstrate that your little hollier-than-thou rant about decency and privacy "Oh no! How can the administrators of this board allow such a travesty" was a giant crock of crap. Decency and privacy weren't first in your thoughts when your members tried random URLs against my webserver looking for the pictures when they were first sent to me, were they?

You guys crying foul is absolutely hi-fucking-larious.

Ninja looting shards? By our member's account, the corpse was about ready to rot and there were no FD members in sight

Of course thats your members account, unfortunatly they did it right in fron of an FD officer. But we've all heard the open corpse excuse from the many Ninja looters. Why would a guild keying people for Vex thal ever let a shard rot...in particular the rarest shard of all. Gratz on defending the indefensible...try again. It was far from almost rotting...actaullly a member of FD was on the way to loot it.
It was Ninja looted...your officers were contacted and it was ignored.


Purposely blowing the Emperor spawn to hold it off until we get more people on in 4 hours? That would be 100% your fault Chenoa. There were only two times were one could even remotely claim this

Just the fact that you said that proved my point.


Things were going along fine until you attempted to place a ridiculous condition on the deal -- that only the people looting rifts stay in the room

Actually the condition was that only the people looting rifts were to stay in zone...of which you abided by...but the truth goes deeper. You had not killed Emp yet. You had only killed blood

Oh and here is the date we let your 15 people loot rifts.

[Sat Oct 25 01:40:06 2003] Dashmoo tells fdraid:2, 'White Ornate Chain Bridle, Velvet Slippers of Harmony, Shawl of Awakenings, Spell: Transon's Elemental Renewal, Spell: Shock of Fiery Blades, Spell: Koadic's Endless Intellect, , '
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:07 2003] The healing chorus fades away.
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:10 2003] A shissar wraith explodes in a shower of green slime!
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:15 2003] You gained raid experience!
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:17 2003] You gained raid experience!
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:18 2003] Nugs tells the guild, 'nice slippers!'
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:18 2003] Milwinn tells the raid, 'now any chance of going to kill the 3 named that spawned outside? =/'
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:19 2003] Toothy tells the guild, 'we get all the loot right?'
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:23 2003] Dashmoo tells the guild, 'yup'
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:26 2003] Nyao tells the guild, 'yes, toothy.'
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:28 2003] Your Cog Encrusted Epaulets shimmers briefly.
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:28 2003] Ryudaian tells the group, 'no sword... again :( '
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:28 2003] You begin casting Nature's Infusion.
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:28 2003] You say, 'Fast heal on Carnival'
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:30 2003] Icantgetno tells the guild, 'OMG sweeet best loot imho'
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:30 2003] You have healed Carnival for 506 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:30 2003] Carnival is infused with the power of nature.
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:34 2003] Carnival tells the group, 'No Shield, again.'
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:39 2003] Rypp tells fdofficer:1, 'what is up with the damn bridles?'
Sat Oct 25 01:40:40 2003] Dashmoo tells fdraid:2, 'vallis please loot rifts frist'
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:42 2003] Clearmist has left the raid.
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:43 2003] Nilasz the Devourer begins to use Heriz the Malignant as a living shield!
[Sat Oct 25 01:40:48 2003] You are washed over by the healing wave of Prexus.

Wait what is that? How many days before you actually killed Emp on your own?

[Sat Oct 25 01:41:24 2003] Madaan tells fdraid:2, 'Now?'
[Sat Oct 25 01:41:25 2003] Mezzmoron tells you, 'im sure someone will bid over 100 though lol'
[Sat Oct 25 01:41:28 2003] Your Cog Encrusted Epaulets shimmers briefly.
[Sat Oct 25 01:41:29 2003] Dashmoo tells fdraid:2, 'yup'
[Sat Oct 25 01:41:29 2003] You begin casting Remove Greater Curse.
[Sat Oct 25 01:41:29 2003] You tell your raid, 'RGC on Carnival'
[Sat Oct 25 01:41:29 2003] You say, 'RGC on Carnival'

Oh and look...there is Madaan...hmmmwhat guild would she be in?

Because the Blood was never killed, the spawn wasn't delayed at all.

Simply engaging blood starts the script. All's you have to do is be asshole enough to do what you guys did, thats enough to gimp the spawn for 4 hours.


Nice way to post a complete and utter bullshit reply...next time get your facts straight.

Then you guys exploited him to the zonein

I do not want into any type of flame war, or anything of that nature. But I regret to inform you we have never used any types of exploits as you put it.

Think about it, what advantage or exploit would really help a guild kill emp at the zone in? The zone in is probably one of the worst places you can fight the emp at.

During that timeframe the emp was bugged and seem to pop at the zone in on his own. So please do not make any false accusations.

return to your normal flaming...

URLs against my webserver looking for the pictures when they were first sent to me, were they?

Actually you idiot it was probably every person that reads these boards that was trying randon URL's and 133t hacking techniques to view those images. Guess what ...post something like you did on a public message board and of course people are going to dig for it.

But Alas it was a member of another guild that was able to crack the excellent security of your web server by going to the publicly viewable server statistics and see the images.

Remind me to recommend you to companies for their Ecommerce security, you seem to be a server security expert.

He sent that tell on 10/28.

No he sent it on 10/25


You know Palimax...I'm beginning to realize that you could somehow justify pissing into your own mouth.

None of us have heard anything about our members training you guys in Vex Thal. Apparently you felt it better (if it really did happen) to keep it to yourselves in some lame attempt to collect a smidgen of dirt on us.

Actually this did happen, but I am not one to bring names to an open board for flames.. If one of your officers would like to contact me in game I can give you the name and you can deal with it as you please.

to keep it to yourselves in some lame attempt to collect a smidgen of dirt on us.

No...I think we were all kinds of amazed that you guys would actually go that far.

During that timeframe the emp was bugged and seem to pop at the zone in on his own. So please do not make any false accusations.

Well, according to Dystin (yes, the same), and some other assistant gm from EQCSR, you guys were "going to get banned if they keep that crap up." In referral to the emperor being killed at the zone line.

It may not have been your fault that he went to the zone line (which I'm not 100% sure on), it really WAS your fault engaging the emp at the entrance.

First, a reply to Ogan, who seems to be one of the few decent, reasonable officers in FD... it's unfortunate we couldn't work with FD through him instead of that utter useless fuckwad Chenoa.

I do not want into any type of flame war, or anything of that nature. But I regret to inform you we have never used any types of exploits as you put it.

Think about it, what advantage or exploit would really help a guild kill emp at the zone in? The zone in is probably one of the worst places you can fight the emp at.

It's too late to stop the flame war... your guild's main mistake was letting Chenoa in and letting her become an officer.

It's quite simple: No CC to worry about, which makes the encounter MUCH easier, and people that don't have keys can get loot. The fact that you guys did it twice in a row under similar circumstances implies that it wasn't anything other than an exploit.

With respect to Vex Thal training:
Actually this did happen, but I am not one to bring names to an open board for flames.. If one of your officers would like to contact me in game I can give you the name and you can deal with it as you please.

So why didn't you contact one of our officers in game when it supposedly happened?

Hmm.... wait...... is that what this exchange with one of your members was about?

[Sat Jan 10 15:32:50 2004] Boganart -> Buadyen: Heya :)
[Sat Jan 10 15:33:43 2004] Buadyen -> Boganart: howdy
[Sat Jan 10 15:33:43 2004] Boganart -> Buadyen: gonna let the officer yap at ya :) .....I am just the messenger
[Sat Jan 10 15:33:50 2004] Boganart -> Buadyen: you doing ok
[Sat Jan 10 15:34:23 2004] Buadyen -> Boganart: yeah, doing well enough
[Sat Jan 10 15:34:32 2004] Boganart -> Buadyen: good to hear :)

I sat around for a while after that before camping to go run some errands. I never heard from anyone else in FD that day, and neither did any of our other officers.

You guys bitch that we don't take any action against our people, but I see a distinct lack of action on FD's part in reporting them.


And now, back to our regularly scheduled post:

My fucking god... I didn't think it was possible for someone to be as stupid as Chenoa is and still manage to live. She probably has someone walking behind her all the time saying "breathe in, breathe out" so she doesn't forget to breathe. (Either that or she has a tape of the first few lines of Bush's "Machinehead" set on an endless loop)

What's the matter Chenoa, you guys fuck over guilds so often that all the fuckings over blur into one?

Well, time to prove you wrong. Again.

(For the record, that log you posted shows nothing. No one is disputing that there was one time that FD and VA killed the Emp together and that we got approx 15. rifts from it...)

Let me spell this out clearly so you can understand it, Chenoa.
October 24 is the second time (at least) you guys exploited the Emperor to the entrance.

Some misc exerpts from my log, showing the engages, my petition, and random guild chatter:

Us engaging the Blood:
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:19 2003] Skzik the Tormentor slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:19 2003] Slakiz the Malignant slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:19 2003] Skzik the Tormentor slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:19 2003] Slakiz the Malignant slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:20 2003] Your restless nature fades.
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:22 2003] Jensae tells the raid, 'GO NOW GO NOW!! ATTACK!!'
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:22 2003] Jensae deftly twirls her weapon(s).
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:22 2003] Ssraezsha begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:23 2003] Nilasz the Devourer executes a FLURRY of attacks on Jensae!
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:24 2003] Ssraezsha begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:25 2003] You return to view.
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:25 2003] You begin casting Tangling Weeds.
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:25 2003] Nilasz the Devourer executes a FLURRY of attacks on Jensae!
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:25 2003] Your target is immune to changes in its run speed.
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:25 2003] Your target resisted the Tangling Weeds spell.
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:25 2003] Klazaz the Slayer hits YOU for 110 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:25 2003] Klazaz the Slayer kicks YOU for 85 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:26 2003] Blood of Ssraeshza executes a FLURRY of attacks on Jensae!
[Fri Oct 24 18:29:26 2003] Heriz the Malignant hits YOU for 170 points of damage.

The faction hit from the Blood:
[Fri Oct 24 18:35:47 2003] Your faction standing with Brood of Ssraeshza could not possibly get any worse.
[Fri Oct 24 18:35:47 2003] Your faction standing with Emperor Ssraeshza could not possibly get any worse.
[Fri Oct 24 18:35:47 2003] Your faction standing with Disciples of Rhag`Zadune could not possibly get any worse.
[Fri Oct 24 18:35:47 2003] You gained raid experience!

Emperor becomes active:

[Fri Oct 24 18:42:12 2003] Ramnok tells vao:3, 'emp inc!!'
[Fri Oct 24 18:42:12 2003] You tell your raid, 'EMP ACTIVE'
[Fri Oct 24 18:42:12 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza goes on a RAMPAGE!
[Fri Oct 24 18:42:13 2003] Artallen tells the guild, 'INC'

Emperor kills me:

[Fri Oct 24 18:48:12 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza says 'Your god has found you lacking.'
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:12 2003] Deziera has been slain by Emperor Ssraeshza !
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:12 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza hits YOU for 708 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:13 2003] Jalaska assumes a defensive fighting style.
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:13 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza hits YOU for 839 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:13 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza hits YOU for 512 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:14 2003] You haven't recovered yet...
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:14 2003] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:14 2003] You haven't recovered yet...
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:14 2003] You haven't recovered yet...
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:14 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza hits YOU for 315 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:14 2003] You haven't recovered yet...
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:15 2003] You haven't recovered yet...
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:15 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza hits YOU for 512 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:15 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza hits YOU for 610 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:15 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza hits YOU for 741 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:16 2003] Ramnok tells the group, 'i'm FD'ing now'
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:16 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza says 'Your god has found you lacking.'
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:16 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza hits YOU for 904 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:16 2003] You have been knocked unconscious!
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:16 2003] You have been slain by Emperor Ssraeshza !
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:18 2003] Returning to home point, please wait...
[Fri Oct 24 18:48:18 2003] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...

I run back to Ssra:
[Fri Oct 24 19:00:19 2003] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Fri Oct 24 19:00:30 2003] You have entered Ssraeshza Temple.

I'm sitting at the zone in, waiting for a corpse summon, res, whatever, when I see this:
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:23 2003] Slakiz the Malignant slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:23 2003] Cenbux`s warder begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:23 2003] Skzik the Tormentor slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:23 2003] Heriz the Malignant slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:23 2003] Yasiz the Devourer slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:23 2003] Zlakas the Slayer slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:23 2003] Nilasz the Devourer slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:26 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:28 2003] Slakiz the Malignant slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:28 2003] Cenbux`s warder begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:30 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza says 'Your god has found you lacking.'
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:30 2003] Heriz the Malignant slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:30 2003] Yasiz the Devourer slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:30 2003] Zlakas the Slayer slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:30 2003] Nilasz the Devourer slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:30 2003] Slakiz the Malignant slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:32 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza says 'Your god has found you lacking.'
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:32 2003] You say out of character, 'Emp adds at zonein'
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:37 2003] You are hungry.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:37 2003] You are out of food and drink.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:37 2003] You say out of character, 'Emp at zoneing again.'
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:43 2003] You return to view.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:43 2003] You begin casting Camouflage.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:43 2003] Your body fades away.
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:44 2003] Artallen tells the guild, 'Emp at ZONE!'
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:49 2003] Ramnok tells the guild, '!'
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:49 2003] You say to your guild, 'Emp at zone again '
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:51 2003] Ryusin tells vao:3, 'Emnp at zone'
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:53 2003] Batevil tells the guild, 'LOL not again'
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:54 2003] Jensae tells the guild, 'killed me'
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:54 2003] Bulthus tells the guild, 'omg'
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:55 2003] Blloodsport tells the guild, 'wtf'
[Fri Oct 24 19:17:57 2003] Whackum tells the guild, 'did they pull to zone in'
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:03 2003] Heruu tells the guild, 'for some reason i KNEW they were going to do that shit again'
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:06 2003] Nevil tells the guild, 'they did it again, amazing'
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:13 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza says 'Your god has found you lacking.'
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:20 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza goes on a RAMPAGE!
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:20 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza hits YOU for 904 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:21 2003] Nevil tells the guild, 'rift mobs still spawn inside chamber'
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:21 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza hits YOU for 904 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:21 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza says 'Your god has found you lacking.'
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:21 2003] Emperor Ssraeshza hits YOU for 675 points of damage.
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:21 2003] You have been knocked unconscious!
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:21 2003] You have been slain by Emperor Ssraeshza !
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:23 2003] Returning to home point, please wait...
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:23 2003] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Fri Oct 24 19:18:36 2003] You have entered Butcherblock Mountains.

The petition:

[Fri Oct 24 19:19:22 2003] You petition, 'FD somehow managed to get Emperor Ssraeshza to the Ssraeshza Temple zoneline again'
[Fri Oct 24 19:24:41 2003] Deziera tells the guild, 'emp is STILL at entrance'
[Fri Oct 24 19:24:59 2003] Zaxxa tells the raid, 'Emp is at the Zone in Still FYI'
[Fri Oct 24 19:25:45 2003] You say to your guild, 'all I can say now is just grab a beer, sit back, and enjoy the ride'
[Fri Oct 24 19:26:19 2003] Your petition text is : FD somehow managed to get Emperor Ssraeshza to the Ssraeshza Temple zoneline again
[Fri Oct 24 19:26:57 2003] Fuloo tells the guild, 'there is a gm in ssra at the moment'
[Fri Oct 24 19:28:18 2003] Nevil tells the guild, 'guide just anounced to zone they are trying to get emp back home where he belongs'

I get CSR repsonse to my petition:
[Fri Oct 24 19:36:01 2003] Cadani tells you, 'Greetings! Guide Cadani here. I am aware of the problem with Emperor. I am asking for GM assistance
as we speak. Anything else I can assist you with at this time?'
[Fri Oct 24 19:36:32 2003] You told Cadani, 'I guess if you've esclalated it, there isn't much that can be done until he's moved. Thanks =)'
[Fri Oct 24 19:36:49 2003] Cadani tells you, 'Am in chat talking with a aGM =)'

[Fri Oct 24 19:40:33 2003] You tell vao:3, 'so let's see.. of the last 5 times that I know of that CSR intervention was brought in to Ssra, which
guild was involved in all 5 incidents?'

(Hint, it's the guild that stupidly continues to host Chenoa)

Finally, the Emperor gets put back home:
[Fri Oct 24 19:43:06 2003] Ryusin tells the guild, 'Emperor Ssraeshza is back home'

I finally arrive back at Ssra Temple:
[Fri Oct 24 19:45:22 2003] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Fri Oct 24 19:45:33 2003] You have entered Ssraeshza Temple.
[Fri Oct 24 19:46:13 2003] Cadani says, 'We will be watching to make sure this doesn't happen again'

Of course, then you guys started bouncing the mobs around the room with someone you had feigned up there:
[Fri Oct 24 19:48:43 2003] Ryusin tells vao:3, 'They trained the Emperor Ssraeshza on me ;-/'
[Fri Oct 24 19:48:48 2003] Ryusin tells vao:3, 'I am still alive though'

(Ryusin had feigned up there)

[Fri Oct 24 19:51:59 2003] Cadani says, 'Guide Cadani here, I am not gonna see Emperor here again now am I?'

After that, things happened, and the deal to loot 15 or so rifts was hashed out. I wasn't one of those 15 people, so I had gone off to do other things at that point...

Actually the condition was that only the people looting rifts were to stay in zone...of which you abided by...but the truth goes deeper. You had not killed Emp yet. You had only killed blood

Entirely wrong fucking raid, retard. Two completely separate events. Oct 24 was the day we tried to work with you and you suddenly lost your ability to count or something and couldn't come back with the number of rifts you needed. We had approx 40 people there, which was enough to kill Blood, and the Emp, if no one screws up, and we were up there first, so we engaged as was our right.

The raid at which you were trying to keep everyone but the rift looters out of the room happened much later, on December 05.

Simply engaging blood starts the script. All's you have to do is be asshole enough to do what you guys did, thats enough to gimp the spawn for 4 hours.

Nope, you're wrong, as usual. Simply engaging the Blood does not gimp the spawn for four hours.

Here's the end of the 30 person Blood attempt:

[Fri Dec 05 18:41:56 2003] Blood of Ssraeshza was hit by non-melee for 36 points of damage.
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:56 2003] Blood of Ssraeshza hits YOU for 430 points of damage.
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:56 2003] Blood of Ssraeshza was hit by non-melee for 36 points of damage.
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:56 2003] Blood of Ssraeshza hits YOU for 190 points of damage.
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:56 2003] You are unstunned.
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:57 2003] Zlakas the Slayer was hit by non-melee for 36 points of damage.
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:57 2003] Zlakas the Slayer hits YOU for 130 points of damage.
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:57 2003] Zlakas the Slayer was hit by non-melee for 36 points of damage.
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:57 2003] Zlakas the Slayer hits YOU for 100 points of damage.
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:57 2003] Zlakas the Slayer says 'Your god has found you lacking.'
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:57 2003] You writhe in the grip of agony. You have taken 971 points of damage.
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:57 2003] You have been knocked unconscious!
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:57 2003] You have been slain by Zlakas the Slayer!
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:58 2003] Blooddraw has been slain by Blood of Ssraeshza!
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:59 2003] Returning to home point, please wait...
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:59 2003] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Fri Dec 05 18:41:59 2003] You declined the request to be translocated.

He's after we resed back up:
[Fri Dec 05 18:56:01 2003] Ytryy tells the guild, 'Blood of Ssraeshza'
[Fri Dec 05 18:56:12 2003] Hawkai says, 'Hail, Blood of Ssraeshza'
[Fri Dec 05 18:56:13 2003] Ytryy tells the guild, 'he is at 100&PCT;'

Here's FD engaging Blood again:
[Fri Dec 05 19:01:17 2003] Heriz the Malignant slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.
[Fri Dec 05 19:01:17 2003] Heriz the Malignant slithers across the floor, fangs gleaming with poison.

Oh look! Here's your own log being used against you, which you so proudly linked above:
[Fri Dec 05 20:55:58 2003] Tikya tells you, 'may i pls loot a rift?'
[Fri Dec 05 20:55:59 2003] Fionnah tells the raid, 'Anyone need rift still?'
[Fri Dec 05 20:56:22 2003] Tikya tells you, 'VA '
[Fri Dec 05 20:56:28 2003] You told Tikya, 'no...sorry'

(Yes, I cut unimportant stuff out of that, the "original" is on your forum)

Even if you are in the Central timezone, there wasn't 4 hours between the time we first engaged Blood and the time Tikya asked to loot a rift. Why would someone ask to loot a rift if the Emperor hadn't been killed yet?

Assuming Eastern time, it was approx 1 hour. Central time, 2 hours.

So much for your claim that simply engaging Blood gimps the script for four hours.... anything else you want to get totally wrong tonight?

you guys were "going to get banned if they keep that crap up." In referral to the emperor being killed at the zone line.

We never got warned that we were using an exploit.. why? because we werent. This was a bug that got reported each time it happened.

Also, you say it was our fault for engaging and killing emp at the zone in. Well sure it was, that was the whole reason why we were there, to kill the emp. What do you expect us to do... /petition Emp popped at the zone in please help... and wait hrs on end until a GM gets back to us before we engage? Or "well emp popped at the zone in, guess we gotta leave
now". We did peition, and report the bug but how long do you expect a whole guild to wait? And think about it seriously if any other guild ran into the same situation, I would bet anything they would have engaged and killed the mob they came for.

It was Ninja looted...your officers were contacted and it was ignored.

Actually, no, it wasn't ignored. It was posted on our officer forum and investigated. The perpetrator was censured.

The fact that you guys did it twice in a row under similar circumstances implies that it wasn't anything other than an exploit.

To what I understand, a bad fix went into a patch that caused the emp to spawn at the zone in. We attempted him twice, which happened to be during this timeframe, then they repatched it to fix the script. We all know how well SoE's patches work..and honestly friend if there was an exploit that would allow you to pull the emp to the zone and kill him, dont you think many other guilds before FD would have known about it? Used it, and would have gotten most of there members keyed extremely fast.


So why didn't you contact one of our officers in game when it supposedly happened??

I had just logged into VT when the train occured, during that time another officer had mentioned the same person had ninja looted the ME shard. This officer also mentioned that he had taken the proper steps to resolve it. So there was no need for me to take further actions. The thread posted above shows that your officers did not know of the situation, and if you wish to to pursue this issue feel free to send me a tell in game and I can give you the infromation.

and Thana has finally found a home...

FD fucking with linked spawn cycles?!?! say it isn't so! Can't wait to see the FR contests when AoR flags FD on RZ.

stop trying to defend yourself Chenoa, any officer that promotes the chicken shit stuff you've been pulling in ssra should be laughed at publicly.

He sent that tell on 10/28.
No he sent it on 10/25Chenoa, I adivse you to stick to things you have a clue about (even though that's going to limit you quite a bit). EQ000437.bmp (http://www.base-nine.org/images/EQ000437.bmp), from which the picture of Thebraden's moronic statement was taken, is dated 12/28/2003 at 10:42pm Mountain Standard Time. In the screenshot, one of our members can be seen hailing the Corpse of High Priest Ssraeshza. Since you will no doubt try to explain how my clock is wrong or how I touched the file to adjust its date, there's also an entry in our DKP server for:10/28/03 High Priest of Ssraeshza 0.72at 11:27:08, and presumably posted by someone in CST. Several former members of VA (now in FD) have access to this server and can verify this.

In short, yo'ure completely out of your goddamned gourd.

Thebraden sent me his tell on 10/28 at roughly 10:40pm my time - roughly a week before we killed Emperor Ssraeshza. His crystal ball is a little foggy, no?

Think about it, what advantage or exploit would really help a guild kill emp at the zone in? The zone in is probably one of the worst places you can fight the emp at.Ogan, you're a reasonable guy, so, just for the sake of argument, I'd say that The zone-in offers the Emperor without any sort of dealings with a room-full of crowd control. Given a choice between fighting him in his room and fighting him nearly anywhere else, I'd probably fight him anywhere else. Then again, we've only fought him in his room. Even if the CC is trivial (and we both know that, for the most part, it is), it still frees up a couple of hybrids, and a shaman/chanter/whatever you delegate to CC -- which is more bodies to put on the Emperor.

IN FACT, we got to fight him after he was test patched with a tether to his pillow to stop that sort of Z-axis exploitation. December 18th or 19th -- during the "patch the server 5 times this week" week. Quite annoying.

If you're telling me that two weeks in a row you mananged to ACCIDENTALLY get him to the zone, I'll tell you that I believe you, but man, you've got to talk to your melee about positioning mobs. They missed the corner (or wherever the heck you guys put him) by a country mile! :)

http://www.base-nine.org/images/zoneline.png

I'm prefectly willing to assume that everything that goes wrong in EverQuest is pretty much just whatever bad programming, random chance and misunderstandings can generate - and that, for the most part, everyone's a pretty good person; with the exception of Chenoa. He / She (I honestly don't know which Chenoa is, and I dislike pronoun games) goes out of their way to cause grief, point fingers, stir the pot, and basicly piss on other people's campfires because (s)he likes the smell of her own burning urine.

If the absolute BEST dig you guys can dredge up against us is that during our first week in VT one guy with a VA tag made a train so inconsequental that nobody even got a /tell about it, or that while sharing Ssra for months there were some Shard and Rift scuffles? PUHLEEZE..

Anyway, with that, I'm going to bed. It's unlikely I'll get a lot of time at work tomorrow to visit this thread, so have fun without me.

I think you guys should start a "More fun with FD and VA in SSRA" thread.

Here is all the parts you didnt want anyone to see Buadyen?



[Fri Oct 24 18:04:53 2003] Heruu tells you, 'hello again :) '

[Fri Oct 24 18:05:01 2003] You told Heruu, 'hi'

[Fri Oct 24 18:05:29 2003] Heruu tells you, 'Whats on the plate

[Fri Oct 24 18:05:49 2003] You told Heruu, 'yes...we are going to kill the emp'

[Fri Oct 24 18:06:01 2003] Heruu tells you, 'you know we are massed here now?'

[Fri Oct 24 18:06:12 2003] You told Heruu, 'we will be in a few minutes'

[Fri Oct 24 18:06:29 2003] Heruu tells you, 'im actually looking to come to an agreement really'

[Fri Oct 24 18:06:43 2003] You told Heruu, 'ok...i agree to talk'

[Fri Oct 24 18:06:47 2003] Heruu tells you, ':) '

[Fri Oct 24 18:06:49 2003] You told Heruu, 'go ahead'

[Fri Oct 24 18:08:52 2003] Heruu tells you, 'sec, sorry'

[Fri Oct 24 18:18:31 2003] You told heruu, 'so whats up'

[Fri Oct 24 18:20:05 2003] Heruu tells you, 'sorry, took a bit for everyone to agree, we are moving on blood now, we are set'

[Fri Oct 24 18:20:35 2003] You told Heruu, 'ok...good luck'

[Fri Oct 24 18:20:40 2003] Heruu tells you, 'thx :) '

[Fri Oct 24 18:21:46 2003] You told Boganart, 'heruu said you will try...even tho you lack the force...'

[Fri Oct 24 18:21:46 2003] Boganart tells you, 'can we come to a mediation?'

[Fri Oct 24 18:24:22 2003] Boganart tells you, 'however, sometimes we get so focused on our tasks we are not willing to coooperate'

[Fri Oct 24 18:24:41 2003] You told Boganart, 'i am...too bad heruu isnt'

[Fri Oct 24 18:24:55 2003] Boganart tells you, 'can you give me only 5 minutes'

[Fri Oct 24 18:24:56 2003] Jordaza tells the group, 'VA has moved inside emp room'
[Fri Oct 24 18:25:00 2003] You tell your party, 'jord how many va here'
[Fri Oct 24 18:25:05 2003] Gamma tells the guild, 'and i need a group )'
[Fri Oct 24 18:25:06 2003] Jordaza tells the group, '30?'


[Fri Oct 24 18:25:07 2003] Boganart tells you, 'after that do as you will'

[Fri Oct 24 18:28:37 2003] Heruu tells you, 'If you guys want in, how does this strike you...'


[Fri Oct 24 18:29:10 2003] Heruu tells you, 'Split rifts 50/50 random between you and i on what pieces of loot go to which guild'

[Fri Oct 24 18:32:57 2003] Heruu tells you, 'Whats the verdict? :) '

[Fri Oct 24 18:38:43 2003] Heruu tells you, 'my crew is itching in here'

[Fri Oct 24 18:39:58 2003] Heruu tells you, 'ok, then i am letting the rest of VA know we have a deal'

[Fri Oct 24 18:44:46 2003] Heruu tells you, 'i need to know what we are doing, unless i get a definate we are engaging in 5 min'

[Fri Oct 24 18:45:04 2003] You told Heruu, 'do you have the force?'

[Fri Oct 24 18:45:58 2003] You told heruu, 'ok...heres my offer'

[Fri Oct 24 18:46:08 2003] You told heruu, 'ready'

[Fri Oct 24 18:46:16 2003] Heruu tells you, 'jup :) '

[Fri Oct 24 18:49:09 2003] You told Heruu, 'well...you need rifts...right'

[Fri Oct 24 18:49:18 2003] Heruu tells you, 'yes'

[Fri Oct 24 18:49:25 2003] You told Heruu, 'and everytime you try emp you wipe right?'

[Fri Oct 24 18:49:50 2003] Heruu tells you, 'no, everytime we try emp we get jumped, hence the people pushing me here :p '

[Fri Oct 24 18:50:06 2003] You told heruu, 'and you lack the force right now right'


[Fri Oct 24 18:50:24 2003] You told heruu, 'we will let you loot rifts...we dont need that many'

[Fri Oct 24 18:51:00 2003] You told heruu, 'you can assist us on the kill...but the loot from both mobs is ours'

[Fri Oct 24 18:57:12 2003] Heruu tells you, 'Ok, they have agreed, we get rifts, you get loot'

[Fri Oct 24 19:04:49 2003] Yajj tells the guild, '36 VA .. with one bard and 1 chanter, and not enough off-tanks for the rest'

[Fri Oct 24 19:05:56 2003] You told heruu, 'you are assisting us'

[Fri Oct 24 19:06:30 2003] Duswiz tells the guild, 'Why are we letting VA loot left over rifts? They haven't even killed emp once.... so why are we letting them in VT?'


[Fri Oct 24 19:06:44 2003] Rypp tells fdofficer:1, 'they CANNOT kill emp and we do NOT want them in VT'

[Fri Oct 24 19:07:38 2003] Rypp tells fdofficer:1, 'we have 40, we have full offtank and cc, what more do we need?'

[Fri Oct 24 19:19:45 2003] Yajj tells fdraid:2, '35 of them . .1 bard, 1 chanter'
[Fri Oct 24 19:19:51 2003] Achantra tells fdraid:2, 'no cc'
[Fri Oct 24 19:19:52 2003] Beraska tells fdraid:2, 'lol'
[Fri Oct 24 19:19:55 2003] Beraska tells fdraid:2, 'they are ded'
[Fri Oct 24 19:19:58 2003] Rypp tells fdofficer:1, 'how many do we, and our rip guests need?'
[Fri Oct 24 19:20:00 2003] Jalaska tells fdraid:2, 'lol they dead'
[Fri Oct 24 19:20:04 2003] Icantgetno tells fdraid:2, '50pp says they dont last 2 min'
[Fri Oct 24 19:20:08 2003] Rypp tells fdofficer:1, 'hell no, they jhust died hehe'
[Fri Oct 24 19:20:14 2003] Kadar tells the guild, 'u are on icant'
[Fri Oct 24 19:20:16 2003] Duswiz says, 'LFG'
[Fri Oct 24 19:20:20 2003] Mezzmoron tells fdraid:2, 'Duswiz to Nostrile'

[Fri Oct 24 19:24:42 2003] Scymure tells the guild, 'have we reached some sort of agreement with VA? why are they thanking us?'


[Fri Oct 24 19:26:03 2003] Heruu tells you, 'i cant cooperate with no numbers we are engaging'

[Fri Oct 24 19:26:37 2003] You told Heruu, 'go ahead'

[Fri Oct 24 19:26:44 2003] Yajj tells the guild, 'well . .they;rea all standing in the hall'


[Fri Oct 24 19:29:19 2003] Nilasz the Devourer executes a FLURRY of attacks on Jensae!
[Fri Oct 24 19:29:19 2003] Blood of Ssraeshza executes a FLURRY of attacks on Jensae!
[Fri Oct 24 19:29:20 2003] Yajj tells the guild, 'OMFG'
[Fri Oct 24 19:29:20 2003] Blood of Ssraeshza executes a FLURRY of attacks on Jensae!
[Fri Oct 24 19:29:24 2003] Yajj tells the guild, 'ROFL'
[Fri Oct 24 19:29:25 2003] Scymure tells fdraid:2, 'BLood pull'
[Fri Oct 24 19:29:25 2003] Rimo has left the raid.
[Fri Oct 24 19:29:26 2003] Blood of Ssraeshza executes a FLURRY of attacks on Blloodsport!
[Fri Oct 24 19:29:26 2003] Nostrile tells fdraid:2, 'VA going POOF'
[Fri Oct 24 19:29:28 2003] Finrez tells the guild, 'OMG'
[Fri Oct 24 19:29:31 2003] Binuven tells the guild, '??? Do tell!'
[Fri Oct 24 19:29:33 2003] Sekjo tells the guild, 'what? lol'
[Fri Oct 24 19:29:33 2003] Yasiz the Devourer executes a FLURRY of attacks on Leafstallker!


[Fri Oct 24 19:30:01 2003] Nilasz the Devourer executes a FLURRY of attacks on Nikon!
[Fri Oct 24 19:30:03 2003] Nostrile tells the guild, 'DONT GO IN'

[Fri Oct 24 19:33:16 2003] You tell fdraid:2, 'set your targets for cc'

[Fri Oct 24 19:35:27 2003] Yajj tells the guild, 'VA only chanter jsut died'

[Fri Oct 24 19:40:06 2003] Larlaana tells you, 'you leading FD now?'

[Fri Oct 24 19:40:15 2003] You told Larlaana, 'no'

[Fri Oct 24 19:40:33 2003] Larlaana tells you, 'who is? want to work out emp arrangement'

[Fri Oct 24 19:40:46 2003] You told Larlaana, 'right now?'

[Fri Oct 24 19:41:02 2003] Larlaana tells you, 'i mean well better now than have to wait till blood repops'

[Fri Oct 24 19:42:00 2003] You told larlaana, 'so you cant do emp?'

[Fri Oct 24 19:42:02 2003] Heruu has been slain by Emperor Ssraeshza !

[Fri Oct 24 19:42:20 2003] Larlaana tells you, 'with you we could do it for sure, without maybe'

[Fri Oct 24 19:42:25 2003] Larlaana tells you, 'just want a fair deal'

[Fri Oct 24 19:42:39 2003] You told Larlaana, 'so you are intentionally blowing the spawn'

[Fri Oct 24 19:42:49 2003] Larlaana tells you, 'no not intentionally'

[Fri Oct 24 19:43:29 2003] Larlaana tells you, 'but with your helm he will drop for sure'

[Fri Oct 24 19:43:34 2003] Larlaana tells you, 'help even'

[Fri Oct 24 19:45:03 2003] Larlaana tells you, 'how about you get all loot we get all rifts?'

[Fri Oct 24 19:45:24 2003] You told Larlaana, 'no...we get loot and give you leftover rifts'

[Fri Oct 24 19:45:36 2003] You tell fdraid:2, 'get ready'

[Fri Oct 24 19:45:36 2003] Larlaana tells you, 'how many rifts?'

[Fri Oct 24 19:45:49 2003] You told Larlaana, 'take my deal or get nothing'

[Fri Oct 24 19:45:58 2003] You told Larlaana, '15'

[Fri Oct 24 19:46:06 2003] Larlaana tells you, 'you need 15?'

[Fri Oct 24 19:46:13 2003] You told Larlaana, 'no you do'

[Fri Oct 24 19:46:27 2003] You told Larlaana, 'quick...you are wiping'

[Fri Oct 24 19:46:34 2003] Larlaana tells you, 'you guys dont need that many rifts'

[Fri Oct 24 19:47:00 2003] You told Larlaana, 'we have gusts..take my deal or wipe and get nothing'

[Fri Oct 24 19:47:20 2003] Hawkai says, 'pease heal'
[Fri Oct 24 19:47:21 2003] I don't see anyone by that name around here...
[Fri Oct 24 19:47:21 2003] Yajj tells the guild, 'help them?'
[Fri Oct 24 19:47:23 2003] Hawkai says, 'quick'

[Fri Oct 24 19:47:30 2003] Fionnah tells the guild, 'Watch it, their CC is falling apart'

[Fri Oct 24 19:47:39 2003] You told Larlaana, 'you want it?'

[Fri Oct 24 19:47:51 2003] Larlaana tells you, 'sure, help us'

[Fri Oct 24 19:48:01 2003] You tell fdraid:2, 'OK ENGAGE NOW'

[Fri Oct 24 19:48:01 2003] Finrez tells the guild, 'if their raid leader asks then maybe thats an officer call, but until then do nothing'

[Fri Oct 24 19:48:06 2003] You tell fdraid:2, 'THEY ASKED'


So the part you left out was:

A ) VA asked for help

B ) VA knowingly engaged when they knew they couldnt handle it.

C ) It was VA wiping that actually caused the EMP to go to Zone.

[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] Players on EverQuest:
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] ---------------------------
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Cheeta <Vallis Aspectus>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Rypp <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Scymure
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Micha
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Farree
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Zuell <Vallis Aspectus>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Wylee <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Gamma <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Macchius <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Rathakem
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Carnival <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [65 Deceiver] Shancc (Dark Elf) <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Naegian <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Duswiz
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Shei
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Dugann <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Rimo <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Nikon
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Larilu <Vallis Aspectus>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Senene <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Ramnok
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Garl <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Heruu <Vallis Aspectus>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Binuven <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Hamek <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Buadyun <Vallis Aspectus>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Zzlove
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Bosillo <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Buadyen <Vallis Aspectus>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Nostrile <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Moklianne <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] AFK [ANONYMOUS] Kulman
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] AFK [ANONYMOUS] Dinx
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] AFK [ANONYMOUS] Jensae
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Achantra <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Hrsepla
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] AFK [ANONYMOUS] Yajj <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Leafstallker
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Tarrek
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Batevil
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:41 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Blloodsport
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Jabood
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Echosong
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Boganart
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Suryjuto
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Deziera
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Zaxxa
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Utar
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Draviene
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Inciduous
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Mogo <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Blooddraw
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Rigin <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Ossein
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Jordaza <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] AFK [ANONYMOUS] Syrena <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Icantgetno <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Sojourner <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Jalaska <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Toothy <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Deezel <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Askaria <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Aoneiel <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] AFK [ANONYMOUS] Madaan
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Kadar <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Korlis
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Nevil
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Sandalin
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] [ANONYMOUS] Chenoa <Final Destiny>
[Fri Oct 24 18:30:42 2003] There are 69 players in Ssraeshza Temple.

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Next time you decide to blatantly lie about me and FD...make sure you have done your homework.