Girl, 13, stoned to death at stadium

MOGADISHU, Somalia — A 13-year-old girl who said she had been raped was stoned to death in Somalia after being accused of adultery by Islamic militants, a human rights group said. Dozens of men stoned Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow to death Monday in a stadium packed with 1,000 spectators in the southern port city of Kismayo, Somali media reported. The Islamic militia had accused her of adultery after she reported that three men had raped her, the rights group said. Initial media reports said Duhulow was 23, but her father told Amnesty International she was 13. "This child suffered a horrendous death at the behest of the armed opposition groups who currently control Kismayo," said David Copeman, who is Amnesty International's Somalia campaigner.


And these people actually want me to respect their religion? Or send aid to their country?

Obviously that is not Islam... That is extreme misinterpretation of Islam, but yes... sick people who deserve the hell that awaits them

They made it a spectator sport... that is sick :(

Just like the Romans with their sick spectator sports that we've watched glorified in movies.

Other than an obvious lust for power, how is religion so misinterpreted or is it really misinterpreted?

Is it really simply a veiled tool of division and social control?

The crusades? All about social control.

By posting those in counter-response, are you suggesting that anyone here is going to argue that the Crusades or Roman gore-sports are good, and should be reinstated?

What did Islamic leaders say about the incident? Somalia doesn't have much of a government to turn to, so what was the response among neighboring countries? How many major Islamic powers denounced the act?

I'm curious, were any of the men who stand accused by her involved in the decision to stone her, took part in throwing the stones or watched nearby glad they were part of a religion that allowed them such excess.

By posting those in counter-response, are you suggesting that anyone here is going to argue that the Crusades or Roman gore-sports are good, and should be reinstated?

What did Islamic leaders say about the incident? Somalia doesn't have much of a government to turn to, so what was the response among neighboring countries? How many major Islamic powers denounced the act?

By posting that in a counter counter response are you suggesting that Islamic leaders not saying a word on American news where we would see it is them approving of the acts?

You know we only get 1/4th the REAL news in the world right?

Complete and utter bullshit there Jedd.

Keep on keeping on as you are the only one with the truth.....

Sit a little taller in your chair, my question appears to have gone over your head.

Complete and utter bullshit there Jedd.

Keep on keeping on as you are the only one with the truth.....

You took completely the wrong message from my post.

Instead of asking the question with sarcasm about the Islamic leaders responses, why don't you look and find the answer.

I didn't claim to have the answer, I just laugh at the sarcastic rhetorical question. As if every christian leader makes a comment when a christian does something horrible.

The question was neither sarcastic nor rhetorical. It's also a very fair question - if the individuals who did this were radicals, and other members of the faith want to draw that distinction, then lets take a look at the reactions.

Here's a news flash:

People have been doing awful things to women or other people long before Islam.

Islam is a perfectly fine religion. As liable as any other religion to produce crazies and fanatics. You take people of Muslim faith and put them in a country like ours and they are perfectly fine and normal. Its not the religion that is creating these situations, its the environment.

here's a news flash:

People have been doing awful things to women or other people long before islam.

Islam is a perfectly fine religion. As liable as any other religion to produce crazies and fanatics. You take people of muslim faith and put them in a country like ours and they are perfectly fine and normal. Its not the religion that is creating these situations, its the environment.

qft

A lot of the people who bomb abortion clinics are Christians. That means that all Christians are terrorists, and this is obviously sponsored by their faith.

Ding ding, ainwein got my point.

My point is, most of the posters here are christians or tolerate christians.


And these people actually want me to respect their religion?

I have a problem with all orgainized religion. They've all done shit in the name of religion over millennia. I guess I could ask you Byl if you respect Christianity? Crusades, things that 'missionaries' did over hundreds of years to natives, 'Christians' bombing abortion clinics, Palin telling the guard in her state that we are fighting a holy war in Iraq, etc.

The list goes on and on for just about every major world religion. To paint a broad brush that you can't respect an entire religion based upon the actions of just some of the members is just as bad as me saying Christianity is bad because of the actions of some of it's membership.

That's my exact point, and if that's lost on you Kanyli, I don't know what to say more.

It started as a simple question, you know?

The point is this - Islamic influence is growing, and quickly. We've seen, for example, the attempted introduction of Islamic law in traditionally non-Islamic nations, and of course one of the so-called reasons for invading Iraq touted by the war cheerleaders was the introduction of human rights, specifically those for women, so there is a recognized objection to the culture from Westerners.

Take this, as a minor example - http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=262215. Other than Judaism, I'm not sure there's another faith that would prompt such a massive recall. Remember the Danish cartoons? You brought Christianity into this, but how many games, movies, songs, pictures, etc. out there mock Christianity? There is a different cultural standard. Cultural sensitivity towards Islam, and fear of offending Muslims, has skyrocketed. I'm a rational person, I realize full well that every Muslim is not a radical, nor prone to extremism, certainly not any more than any other person of faith. However, unless we want to see a rebirth of horrors of the past - the Crusades, since you brought those up - we would do well to take note of these issues, and see who speaks out against them as well as to monitor the growth of influence these individuals have.

Would we allow or desire the Crusades today? Or the gladiator sports of the Romans? Citing the past is not a strong argument - one would hope our civilization has advanced somewhat, especially when it comes to human rights.

Not that I want to turn this into a pissing contest, or start counting numbers, but we have seen a lashback against Christianity for this very reason, and you do see prominent Christian leaders speaking out against the Religious Right in the US and Europe. This is not a minor case of a street gang, from the article posted by Bylimet. A full stadium and a stoning over rape doesn't lend credibility to any faith, especially if the leaders of that faith let it slide by. So I ask my question again - what was the response from Islamic leaders?

If you are asking for a response from Islamic leaders, you are going to be waiting an awfully long time.

The very core of the belief is that a priest class isnt needed. The Qur'an to a Muslim is the direct word of God speaking directly to them. Islam is a faith that is very personal to a serious practitioner. A direct relationship with god, without the 3rd party gatekeeper of a priest.

While there are Imans and such, for the most part these people are no more than community leaders and teachers. They speak only for the people they deal with directly on a daily basis.

I would imagine a Muslim "leader" when asked about what the people in the Sudan were doing would say "Why are you asking me? I do not know these people."

Interesting...

Conflicts between various ethnic and religious communities are linked to the past and one should not be concerned with these.

When we live in a brotherly relationship there flows such a wonderful wine of love! This is truly the kingdom of God!

Oral teaching is not necessary. What is most important is the transformation of hearts.

One has to disallow negative suggestions from entering one’s heart, lest it may become like a soiled stable.

One must not take notice of someone else’s faults and be drawn in criticism and judgment. Otherwise, one ends up ignoring one’s own faults.

I have a problem with all orgainized religion. They've all done shit in the name of religion over millennia. I guess I could ask you Byl if you respect Christianity?

Actually, no, not very much.

And it is because of the arguments you make, such as the Crusades and the Catholic vs Protestant violence in Ireland and the missionaries in Canada with their orphanages of sex slave Indian youth and the eradication of peoples and cultures throughout the Pacific via the missionary and the burning of "witches" in early America and the Inquisition in medieval Europe, and oh so many other grievances against humanity in the name of their God.

Most religions have a core set of beliefs that involve tolerance and nonviolence and charity, etc. Those that create and enforce law based on the manner they wish to interpret their religion, as espoused by the extremist and radical among them, are those who usually end up in positions of power as we have seen in the Middle East and some areas of Africa. And, it is these extremist and radical factions that insist on the rest of the world either following their way or face terrorist acts.

Fortunately for us in America, we have so far been able to not have any Christian radical or extremist gain our higher elected offices; the actions of our leaders always exposes to what level they are truly devout believers.

fair enough

BTW what I posted before is from Islam.

Every religion has its boobs:

http://i38.tinypic.com/dwz1xc.jpg

Just read an article about a guy named Gary North in Georgia who had a "rally" to a bunch of Christians calling for the stoning of all gays.

The original post is just an example of whacked out people who succumb to mob mentality. I have heard preacher get on TV and scream about the WAR they must take with the evil that is Islam. It's on all sides.

Boobs? Oh wait.....nevermind.

The problem I have with our religious boobs vs thier religious boobs, is that in our society, its generally frowned upon to kill someone based on your beliefs.

Over there, you get to sell rocks to the spectators, as they enter the stadium.

Just read an article about a guy named Gary North in Georgia who had a "rally" to a bunch of Christians calling for the stoning of all gays.

The original post is just an example of whacked out people who succumb to mob mentality. I have heard preacher get on TV and scream about the WAR they must take with the evil that is Islam. It's on all sides.


I once heard of this guy who said something like...he who casts the first stone blah blah blah...obviously a warped version of religion...man what was he thinking.

The problem I have with our religious boobs vs thier religious boobs, is that in our society, its generally frowned upon to kill someone based on your beliefs.


Wait, so you're saying it's not the religions, it's the economic prosperity and rule of law?

Imagine that.

So the only thing keeping the raging fundies from blowing up doctors is the sort of laws put in place to protect their institutions that they are actively trying to dismantle?

Nothing could possibly go wrong.

"Of all bad men, religious bad men are the worst."

C.S. Lewis summed it up pretty well (taken from an article by by Joseph Loconte in the International Herald Tribune, on 02 December 2003, that I was impressed with... any emphasis added by me. Pertains to Christianity, but can probably be applied to other faiths).

"Evil is always man's doing, yet it is never his destiny. The power of choice makes
evil possible, but it's also 'the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy
worth having.'

Lewis acknowledged that religion easily becomes a device to exploit others–sometimes, as in the case of sexually abusive priests, at the very steps of the altar. The pretense of piety, he said, has left a record of violence that should shame every honest believer.

Yet, unlike the cynic, Lewis refused to blame the faith itself for the shortcomings of the church. Instead, his writings offer bright glimpses into the moral beauty of divine goodness, what Lewis called 'the weight of glory.'

It is this vision of the Holy, he observed, that has produced many of the masterpieces of art and music. This same vision motivates the faithful to risk everything
to relieve the world's suffering: caring for plague victims, defending the rights of children, guiding slaves to freedom, breaching war zones to feed the poor. 'If you read
history, you will find that the Christians who did most for the present world were just those who thought most of the next,' he wrote in 'Mere Christianity,' one of his best-known works. 'It is since Christians have largely ceased to think of the other world that they have become so ineffective in this.' In an era when God himself seems to be on trial, that's a timely message–for the half-hearted pilgrim as well as the devoted doubter. Probably just what C.S. Lewis had in mind."