Netanyahu To Obama: Stop Iran, Or I Will

"The Obama presidency has two great missions: fixing the economy, and preventing Iran from gaining nuclear weapons," Netanyahu told me. He said the Iranian nuclear challenge represents a "hinge of history" and added that "Western civilization" will have failed if Iran is allowed to develop nuclear weapons.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/31/netanyahu-to-obama-stop-i_n_181293.html

Can someone tell me when Israel started smoking crack thinking they can tell a U.S. President what they have to do?

I can't wait to see Israel bomb Iran, and get 0 support from anyone!

The Cheney of Israel

Is Lord of the Rings online a good game? I am seeing more and more sigs on posts from there.

Is Lord of the Rings online a good game? I am seeing more and more sigs on posts from there.

I love it! :)

Obama aint going ot do anything. He's to busy giving Rover a reach around..












Oh, and LOTRO is fantastic.... though I have been playing the F2P game Runes of Magic... It's actually pretty good.

LoTRO is a truly fun game, but I'm back in EQ2 again raiding b/c all my friends ditched me b/c LoTRO was too slow/casual for them /sigh.

Well, I am finally sitting on the fence about quitting EQ. They sucked the will to play my cleric by putting mercs in the game ( which are AI boxes/bots you pay plat to when they join your group.) and after 10 years who really wants to reroll in a dying game? Depends on how many people I know quit, which seems to be a steady figure. I have little knowledge of what is out there other than WoW and EQ2 although getitng sucked into something that requires a lot of time or learning curve is out of the question. Casual fun is still fun!

WoW and LotRO are better casual games out of the picks. EQ2 is easier to level than EQlive but still has plenty of late game content. All 3 are pretty solid and a lot of fun if you don't expect a level of endgame like Velious / PoP.

WOW and LoTRO I think you can at least play very casually even at the end cap. EQ2 however has tons of end game stuff that requires raids, raid geared people, etc. Even with this LDON type expansion there are varying degrees of difficulty in the instances and if you want to do the challenging ones you are going to struggle with pickup groups with people who are casual and not geared. Every xpac/GU EQ2 feels more and more like EQ1 to me. There's flagging and multi-part access quests etc.

I can't imagine starting EQ2 from the beginning though or without a core group of people to help me. I came back 3 weeks ago and got my Warden's epic in less than 2 days. Now working on my mythical albeit casually :p

Regarding WoW:

As someone who has always kind of straddled the line between 'casual' and 'raider', I'll just come out and say that the last major modification to WoW has killed it as anything other than fluff entertainment - it's been foampadded into oblivion. They tried to address, as you may know, the issue of access to raid zones/encounters by making them 10/25 (which I liked), and by making them rather easy with the option of increasing the difficulty (by doing the encounter with fewer people, in a certain amount of time, or with various handicaps) in exchange for 'achievements' - virtual gold stars (literally) with no impact on characters or gameplay. My heavily OCD guild and raiding coalition *love* the achievement system, but it makes me want to vomit - I'm supposed to feel good about being reminded how many times I pushed the lever for a virtual pat on the head?

I may look into LotRO, but I'm more or less taking a last nostalgia tour of the old world in WoW (via levelling a new mage on a different server from most of my Alleria contacts) before putting it away...

Regards,
Nydia

I'm supposed to feel good about being reminded how many times I pushed the lever for a virtual pat on the head?

This your first MMO?

Regarding WoW:

As someone who has always kind of straddled the line between 'casual' and 'raider', I'll just come out and say that the last major modification to WoW has killed it as anything other than fluff entertainment - it's been foampadded into oblivion. They tried to address, as you may know, the issue of access to raid zones/encounters by making them 10/25 (which I liked), and by making them rather easy with the option of increasing the difficulty (by doing the encounter with fewer people, in a certain amount of time, or with various handicaps) in exchange for 'achievements' - virtual gold stars (literally) with no impact on characters or gameplay. My heavily OCD guild and raiding coalition *love* the achievement system, but it makes me want to vomit - I'm supposed to feel good about being reminded how many times I pushed the lever for a virtual pat on the head?

I may look into LotRO, but I'm more or less taking a last nostalgia tour of the old world in WoW (via levelling a new mage on a different server from most of my Alleria contacts) before putting it away...

Regards,
Nydia

Deffinatly worth the time to give Lotro a shot Nyd..... It's casual fun at it's best if you still have a desire to game(my desire is rapidly leaving MMO's). With a excellent crafting system you can just chill and grow some crops..lol or the Music system you can learn the Lute and sit on a hill over looking the Shire and teach your self Dust in the Wind..lol

Quick back on topic moment!

Patreaus now is saying Israel will probably attack Iran.

So my question is... Will we assist? Can we assist? Will Israel have to go it alone? Will we allow Israel to go through with such an attack with the possibility of our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq being put in harms way?

Yeah WoW is more or less dead for me now days. I log in to group with some friends for totally screwed up pvp. Then log out. If I don't play for days or weeks at a time it doesn't bother me in the least.

Yeah WoW is more or less dead for me now days. I log in to group with some friends for totally screwed up pvp. Then log out. If I don't play for days or weeks at a time it doesn't bother me in the least.

Instead of that you go dancing at spring festival in LOTRO with your girl... I SAW YOU GUYS! :)

meet your new batshit insane israeli foreign minister.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3695840,00.html

New Foreign Minister Lieberman delivers aggressive speech Wednesday, hinting of policy to be adopted by ministry; Israel made more concessions than any other country, constantly uttering word 'peace' won't bring peace, he says

Roni Sofer
Latest Update: 04.01.09, 18:27 / Israel News

New minister, new attitude: Concessions are not the way to make peace, incoming Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said Wednesday during the changing of the guard ceremony at the Foreign Ministry.

"Those who think that through concessions they will gain respect and peace are wrong," the new minister said. "It's the other way around; it will lead to more wars."

Following Lieberman's speech, outgoing Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni whispered in his ear: "I became convinced that I was wise not to join the government."

Lieberman, who will also serve as deputy prime minister, delivered an aggressive speech, noting that "by uttering the word peace 20 times a day we won't make peace."

"Those who want peace should prepare for war and be strong," he added. "There is no country that made concessions like Israel. Since 1967 we gave up territory that is three times the size of Israel. We showed willingness. The Oslo process started back in 1993 and to this day I have not seen that we reached peace."[/b]

Moderate tone on Egypt
Lieberman added that Israel is not obligated by the Annapolis conference, but rather, only by the Road Map initiative. However, responding to the new minister's remarks, a senior US official said the Obama administration remains committed to a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Meanwhile, turning his attention to Egypt – a target for harsh criticism on his part in the past – Lieberman adopted a more moderate tone.

"Egypt is an important element in the Arab world and in the world in general," he said. "I will certainly be happy to visit Egypt, but I'll also be happy to see Egypt's leaders visit here, including the Egyptian foreign minister. I respect others and I want them to respect us; I'm in favor of the principle of reciprocity."

The new foreign minister also adopted a tough tone towards ministry officials, telling them that workdays start at 7:30 am and that the daily evening meeting will be held at 10 pm.

Quick back on topic moment!

Patreaus now is saying Israel will probably attack Iran.

So my question is... Will we assist? Can we assist? Will Israel have to go it alone? Will we allow Israel to go through with such an attack with the possibility of our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq being put in harms way?

Intel and logistics support... and of course $$$. Of course this all circles back to the US/Iran proxy war already being waged between Isreal and Hamas.

The outgoing Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni was the best hope for some sense of rational thinking to govern Israel among those vying to lead the country. It is a shame they have instead returned to a hard militant leadership, augmented by a freaking wacko' that will be the Israeli counterpart to Ahmanutjob.

It is time for us to start applying the financial pressure on Israel that they want us to apply to anyone they don't like; last time I saw figures we were still giving them $5 billion a year in foreign aid.

Want our money? Stop with the crazy shit and belligerence.

Want our money? Stop with the crazy shit and belligerence.

So true. Hopefully the US will do nothing in the event of an Iran/Israel conflict......or even pull the plug on Israel all together. Thats 5 billion we flush down the toilet every year.

Can't wait for Iran to go the way of the dodo..

Can't wait for Iran to go the way of the dodo..

Man I really need to avoid these boards until I'm fully awake.

I thought Osg said "Can't wait for Iran to go the way of the dildo".

was wondering wth!!!!

Up Jedds ass?

Quick back on topic moment!

Patreaus now is saying Israel will probably attack Iran.

So my question is... Will we assist? Can we assist? Will Israel have to go it alone? Will we allow Israel to go through with such an attack with the possibility of our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq being put in harms way?

All very good questions for Obama.

I have no clue what he will do.

As far as assisting goes, the US certainly could do so if it wished. It could also intercept most attempts if it wished.

I don't see the US airforce being asked to shoot down intruding Israeli aircraft though. If they attack, I think it most likely we will step aside and let them have at it. Then probably punish them diplomatically for having done so. I doubt we would join in, but you never know what goes through the minds of our leaders.

All very good questions for Obama.

I have no clue what he will do.

As far as assisting goes, the US certainly could do so if it wished. It could also intercept most attempts if it wished.

I don't see the US airforce being asked to shoot down intruding Israeli aircraft though. If they attack, I think it most likely we will step aside and let them have at it. Then probably punish them diplomatically for having done so. I doubt we would join in, but you never know what goes through the minds of our leaders.

A classic "damned if you do and damned if you don't" scenario: if we give any logistical or technical aid to Israel in their attack, we will be demonized by the majority of the Muslim population; or, if we do not actively intercede to prevent any attack by Israel and merely stay completely out of the fray, we will be demonized by the majority of the Muslim population.

A classic "damned if you do and damned if you don't" scenario: if we give any logistical or technical aid to Israel in their attack, we will be demonized by the majority of the Muslim population; or, if we do not actively intercede to prevent any attack by Israel and merely stay completely out of the fray, we will be demonized by the majority of the Muslim population.


Incorrect... you forgot the third option which is a way out of being demonized by the majority of the Muslim population.

Threaten Israel with a complete breaking off of all aid and relations if they put our soldiers at risk by attacking Iran, and show them what GO IT ALONE really is all about.

I am sure the Muslim population will like that...

I am sure the Muslim population will like that...

The hope is to be impartial. Its not important for the Muslim population to "like that". Its more important for them to not see this as some excuse for being completely unreasonable on a global level which means most hope for a solution where Muslims can be unhappy but peaceful. It seems that the Muslim populations of the world are the ultimate nosy neighbor who just can't let the business of other people and nations not be their business. Most non-Muslim nations with a large, only partially integrated population such as the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain etc would just assume things stay quiet with a big focus on it not being their problem.

It should not be the US's problem either, especially if Israel chooses to preemptively strike. We don't have hawks in charge anymore so there can be room for caution. Who knows how it would be if McCain won but even he might lean on the side of caution as well too. There is just too much going on that side lines the US from being directly involved. Hopefully the worst case scenario does not occur, where Iran takes pot shots at US forces in Iraq in order to drag us into it.

Who knows how it would be if McCain won but even he might lean on the side of caution as well too.


Unfortunately, I have to believe that with his BFF Lieberman in the wings McCain would be compelled to commit us to more disastrous action without proper forethought.

And, I really am starting to get a kick out of McCain's constant "get a camera on me" attempts to refute everything President Obama is doing, tossing out his own 'better' ideas of how things should be done. It is a bit late to be trying to articulate the differences in political strategy.

It seems that the Muslim populations of the world are the ultimate nosy neighbor who just can't let the business of other people and nations not be their business.

They come a very close second to the policies of the U.S. Government.


Cheers,

Incorrect... you forgot the third option which is a way out of being demonized by the majority of the Muslim population.

Threaten Israel with a complete breaking off of all aid and relations if they put our soldiers at risk by attacking Iran, and show them what GO IT ALONE really is all about.

I am sure the Muslim population will like that...


We don't work for the muslims out of fear of their usual "bomb ya if you don't do as we say" regiment. Anyone that gives in to that bullshit only feeds the flames.

Best option, say we're not going to back Israel's attack because it's the right thing for everyone. Fuck the extremists muslim bullshit.

We don't work for the muslims out of fear of their usual "bomb ya if you don't do as we say" regiment. Anyone that gives in to that bullshit only feeds the flames.

Best option, say we're not going to back Israel's attack because it's the right thing for everyone. Fuck the extremists muslim bullshit.

So basically open our troops to attacks and put our operation in Afghanistan in complete risk... You are a smart one :)

You're the idiot here bub, read what I wrote before you engage in further stupidity for ONCE.

I said we don't say we're doing it to placate the muslims. We do it because it's the right thing to do.

Do try to read.

You're the idiot here bub, read what I wrote before you engage in further stupidity for ONCE.

I said we don't say we're doing it to placate the muslims. We do it because it's the right thing to do.

Do try to read.

My bad I didn't see the "not" in that post.

No worries, I couldn't see how you'd find my post objectionable.

Fandros owned someone on semantic clarity and Jedd apologized and they man-hugged ... something terrible has to be looming over us now!