Is it just me or are there a shitload of new high level guilds forming like mushrooms on wet grounds?
Carnage of War, Death and Rebirth, Paradise War, Irumati Maxima, For order and duty... and I am sure I forgot some.
All of them are rather new (ok Paradise war is older then 3 weeks). All of them recruit lvl62+.

Where the hell are they comming from? There are only so many active high level players on this server, the amount stays like the same I'd say. More and more people get to lvl65, but also more and more leave EQ.
Now its not as if I would not want you guys to form guilds, its all fine and fun, but to give my personal opinion, I do not believe that many of you will make it. The only high level guild that collapsed in the past few weeks is Casus Belli. Their members apply all over EW, IvM, SoT, LS, LotJ and I am sure to other guilds (prolly RiP, VA...).
Why are there so many new high level guilds? Are people sick of the old and known ones?

In my time on ARo I saw hundrets of guilds come and go. I personally believe that not more then one of those new guilds will make it longer then 3 months. Or they just remain a 10 people guild with no raiding goals. There is just not enough a) high level knowledge around nor enough high level people to "supply" so many high level guilds.

You need a force of 50+ people on raids to be able to reach certain goals one usually has on that level. Its not possible that everyone on that level has this amount ready.

This is no flame, I wish those guilds all the best. It is just something I have noticed the past few days and I wanted to throw this in here for some random discussion. It seems to me like a new trend and I am curious to understand the motivation of those people aswell as their long time goals. One thing is sure, it is not possible that 15 guilds reach the EPs on this server unless VI goes on a nerfing spree and makes most encounters very trivial compared to how they are now.

As mentioned, this is not a flame, its an observation I made and I felt like throwing this topic in this round and see how people feel about it.

One thing is sure, it is not possible that 15 guilds reach the EPs on this server unless VI goes on a nerfing spree and makes most encounters very trivial compared to how they are now.

RZ

I think you forgot about the lack of high level guilds.

With XA and CB gone,where could all these people possibly go? Almost every guild is bursting at the seams. Some servers already have 9 Elemental Guilds, and we have what, 4?

Their really isn't anywhere for anyone to go.

I think Phoenix also went down the crapper...

They reorganized as "The Free."

Well with CB dead and LS dying, you've got way too many people wanting to app to EW and IvM. And with both now in time, it's doubtful either is wanting any more members. I imagine you'll see SoT, RiP, and FD making huge gains soon.

Dear Taino:

"One thing is sure, it is not possible that 15 guilds reach the EPs on this server unless VI goes on a nerfing spree and makes most encounters very trivial compared to how they are now."

Not to flame here, but I think you are forgetting something when you assume that just because some of these guilds are new, that they don't 'have what it takes' to reach the EPs. The *guilds* may be new, but the player base in EQ is aging (Hell, Faervas and I are 65 and pushing 100 AA now, and we rarely get a chance to grind exp with our current work schedules :/). Many of these folks have quite a bit of large scale raiding experience, may have come from in one of the guilds that has recently disintegrated and have first hand experience with some of these encounters, and remember that PoP is now nearly a year old - and the two expansions that have come out since have offered little for the high or raiding end, as y'all have often complained. As Dart said, what else do you expect folks to do?

The addition of five levels to the game has resulted in many former raid level encounters being doable by a fraction of their former numbers, meaning that Velious and much of Luclin have been passed down to the small family guilds (yay us, die Gozzrem :P ). Due both to the aging of the expansion and the recent guild deaths/reshufflings, finding fifty halfway competent flagged folks for an encounter who have large scale raid training and can follow detailed instructions just isn't all that hard anymore (ask Swifton). With enough time and practice, expect the walls to come down eventually.

I don't know much about these guilds, and they may be 'flashes in the pan' that don't go anywhere. And, some of these guilds may have the intention of staying small, and what is wrong with that? Just because a guild is small, and less driven than some of you folks, does that make it 'pointless'? AC is now over 2 and a half years old and still challenging itself, CoFE is nearly *four* years old. But one thing is certain. With PoP nearly a year old, lots of guild reshuffling, and even casual players pegging out at 65 and grinding up their AA, the barbarians are massing at the gates...

Regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
Autonomous Collective

I wish any new up and coming guild good luck. Some folks want a last hoorah and a fresh start in a new guild. Good for them.

i = Glass half full
Taino = Glass half empty

Blazemore

Thanks for your as always interesting input Nydia. I'd just like to add one thing there. When I say that I don't think 15 guilds will enter the EPs, this statement had nothing to do with people not being skilled.
BUt there are only a) so many players and you need a bigger amount of players to reach the EPs and b) only so many guilds that will make it. You and I know that 4/5 of all guilds disband again within 3 months becuase their leaders were not aware of what they are geting into.
Leading a guild takes much more then most people expect.
That was mostly my reasons why I do not believe in the future of most of those new guilds. But unlike Blazemas thinks, the glass is also half full for me. I wish those guilds all the best and hope they have a lot of fun. Experience just showed that most guilds don't make it.

Now its not as if I would not want you guys to form guilds, its all fine and fun, but to give my personal opinion, I do not believe that many of you will make it.


Well shit, it took you 2 years to figure out things like 30 people isn't enough for behemoth and I'm not even going to get into how many times grieg kicked your asses when you were trying to blindly throw 50 people at him every chance you got or "doing ntov" by raiding Iki the V with 60.

Why don't you get off your high horse a little there bub. Maybe they won't all end up successful, maybe a couple will dissolve...worst case it takes them 2 years to figure out how to raid..you know, like some other guilds on the server.

First of all I just wanted to open a discussion and see how poeple think about it.
It was meant as simple discussion, no flames, no arguing, just talk.
Second, why do you feel the need to attack me personally please?
Third, stop talking bullshit you stupid piece of shit. Our NToV raids were always done with less then 50, mostly less then 40. We never ever had 60 people on a raid until.. 10 days ago, actually. It was a one time event so far and we had like 15 people dualbox for flags.
Additionally, we killed Behemoth with 42 people as guildfirst a few months ago.

Lick my nipple, get out of this friendly thread and go back to the real life forum and insult eurotrash there.

Fuck you, I'm insulting your incompetence and slow learning raids in eq since you're attempting to play big man on campus. This is the forum for it...and you did indeed raid with that many people in ntov, I distinctly remember that's where I started thinking of you as legend of the zergers.

Come one man, we all know LotJ took a long ass time(imo not for lack of good people, it was poor leadership) to get anywhere near a respectable competency level raiding.

Well shit, it took you 2 years to figure out things like 30 people isn't enough for behemoth and I'm not even going to get into how many times grieg kicked your asses when you were trying to blindly throw 50 people at him every chance you got or "doing ntov" by raiding Iki the V with 60.
:rollin
Funny, very funny!

The flagging system ruined this game for a lot of people.

Hell with VT, at least you could duo(solo in some cases) the shards and get someone close to having the necessary tools to join a guild. Their is no way to advance to endgame now without getting ALL the flags. It's all or nothing, with no letting up.

I know a lot of people who are 1 flag or so away from elemental access and just give up and quit playing. I wonder how many people will quit before SOE realizes what they have done.

Back to the current guild situation though. Right now you have Velious and ssra guilds, then elemental/time guilds. Where the fuck are all the middle ground guilds?

Unless one of the veliuos/ssra guilds has the force online and L337 Beat infoz, or one of the big dogs comes down from the ep's, these mobs stay up. A lot of stagnation at this level at the moment, and it's depressing.

Actually I seriously doubt SoT will be seeing any huge gain of people..we are already very well off as far as membership goes, better than all the other high end raid guilds atm i'd wager. I imagine RiP however will be seeing an increase in app's, if for no other reason than because they have killed RZ.

You do not have any just slightest clue about my guild. Not at all. And I do not feel the need to convince you about anything.
The Legend was found on January 13th 2001 with 9 people, avg lvl15. Now we still exist and are within the highest 5-6 guilds on the server while we do as the only ones not raid daily but just 4 times a week. We usually have 45-50 people on raids, not more.
Based on those facts I don't think I have anything to hide or be ashamed off. And the last thing I will do is to waste my time "explaining you". You believe what you want, sweetheart.
Thanks for hijacking my thread which I tried very very hard to keep flamefree. It lasted 2 hours.

Ugh, typo. We raid 3 times a week, not 4 times. Just to keep it all correct.

Oh please Taino, I remember watching you guys fumble around when I was in XA. You were like a 14 year old trying to unhitch a girl's bra for the first time.

I was going to app to LoTJ like 2 or 3 years ago......

They killed RZ, Brel. Yes they did. But at what costs?
I believe that too fast movement at the expense of "massrecruiting", having fights with other guilds, flagguesting yourself up the the upper planes, zerging and all those things will at the end kick yourself in the nuts (this does not only count for RIP, but in general). One more reason why we advance slower then other guilds. And yet we're still faster then most.
But I guess its all just a matter of the goals a guild has. If the goal is to reach EPs at all costs, then they succeeded 100%.

'Well shit, it took you 2 years to figure out things like 30 people isn't enough for behemoth and I'm not even going to get into how many times grieg kicked your asses when you were trying to blindly throw 50 people at him every chance you got or "doing ntov" by raiding Iki the V with 60. '

- ROFLMAO!
Oh the bitter jealousy.
You are the biggest fucking faggot around.
Allow me to tackle this one..

PoP hasn't even been around for 2 years you fucking dipshit. We've never even attempted Behemoth with less than 40. Oh the lies.
Got our asses kicked by Grieg?!? What PLANET ARE YOU FROM? The, oh, 2 times we've killed him (hi 6 months ago), we've never once wiped in our EQ career. And the only time we've ever reached 50 raiders was in the past 3 months or so when we've had to take on mobs like RD and MM. 50 ppl? Shit, we can barely get 50 now.
Just answer me this - why are you making up lies? Is it because you're jealous? Bitter? Angry? Scared?
I haven't seen as many lies as that since your mum went on a date.

Maybe you can put away your enraged, bitter fuelled jealousy for the Jokers, and recognize that Taino was wondering how there are so many high level guilds - yet still a regular amount of high level players.
Rofl, fucking twat.

Yeah, eventually RiP's gonna get a shaft for the way they play..

(wonder how long people have been thinking that)

Now we still exist and are within the highest 5-6 guilds on the server

Lol yeah maybe when 3-4 more guilds fold.

'Oh please Taino, I remember watching you guys fumble around when I was in XA. You were like a 14 year old trying to unhitch a girl's bra for the first time. '

- Fumble?
You mean - OMGOSH we learnt how to do things on our own, at our own pace?
OH THE HUMANITY!
So XA - how did that work out? Fucking hell. Criticizing us when your own guild fell to pieces, so you probably spent the time guild hopping like a fucking retard or jumped the easy bandwaggon and applied to the local resident uber guild like a fucking sheep, who most likely raids with 72 people.

Jealousy is what you're riddled with Crist0. Painful - obvious - jealousy.
It's.. it's quite fun! Keep it up kiddo. We like stalkers.

Oh yeah, I knew it would get better when I saw Halo was posting.


Got our asses kicked by Grieg?!? What PLANET ARE YOU FROM?


Hell yes grieg, you all got owned so much by him a year and a half ago or so that it was the running joke. Now onto your truly priceless moment:


we've never once wiped in our EQ career.


:rollin

we've never once wiped

Wiping a guild is fun. When in doubt, blame mage pets and bard songs!!

it took you 2 years to figure out things like 30 people isn't enough for behemoth

2 important words in this part of the sentance, Halo ... "Things" and "Like." He's comparing this to other things but using this as the example. It's very easy to see that, but I'm sure you're just trying your best to make him look bad.

Would you be complainging so much about it if he had said:Well shit, it took you 2 years to figure out things like 30 people isn't enough for Emporer Crush


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Actually Mr Wondermous, I've really only been in one guild on this server...it merged into xa then later split back out, and I went with it. Thanks for playing.

As for sheep...to that I can only respond:

http://home.earthlink.net/~cybertechnics/tainogoat.jpg

they gimped the rztw script fight, so that it`s trivial now,

we only killed rztw 5 times, then we`ve been busy doing other stuff, first 4 times he was the same , last fight he was changed .

used to be when in the arena, for every boar that spawned you would get 5 or 6 wraiths . for a max of 36 adds,

also his hp were reduced , or so it seems, as with same number of people, pretty much same dps he droped in half the time ,

and as for the 36 adds, for each boar that spawned we only got 2 wraiths not the normal 5 or 6 ,

we killed him and only had a max of 4 boars, and 8 wraiths , when it shouuld been 4 boars and 20 to 24 wraiths .

so yea rz is pretty much trival, nothing like he was pre july .

on a same note while rztw is gimped in comparsion to his former ring event, the mobs, in e plaines are not. they are i`m told harder now then they used to be.

Tasarian
SOT

who most likely raids with 72 people.


If we could field 72 people online each night, shit would be golden.

It's not just number, though. Having a suitable mix of classes is most important. We could have 50 melee on, 3 wizards, 3 clerics, 2 druids and some a combination of (other) Int casters on, making 72 people...but with that low number of clerics and wizards (yea, those are moderately important), you're not going to get much done.

Oh, yea...that was almost civil~

Fuck off, Halo.

The Rallos Zek script was briefly messed up in early September when we started looking at it, but has been "fixed" or at least returned to its prior state. You still get 4-6 wraiths per wave of adds, and his HP was fixed if it was ever lowered. Our kill times on him are consistent with accounts of the fight going back for months and months.

Might want to go back to Tactics before quoting the safehouse ;-p

Everything is being gimped by default after you kill it. Else you'd admit that also other people besides you may have skill and reach something.

might want to go back to tactics before quoating the safehouse .


If that is directed to me, that`s funny, as only time i have ever looked at safe house was sep 2001, when making my twink rogue.

if you bothered to read what i said, it clearly states, from my first hand account, of our last rztw kill in comparsion to out previous 4 kills.

if that in any way reflected something posted on the safehouse then i have no clue as i never look there .

And no taino, just because another guild kills something we have already killed doesn`t make the encounter gimped .

At the time of our last rztw kill which was augst or early sep i forget. the encounter was greatly reduced in number of adds. hp etc. maybe it has been fixed not sure but since i see backflaging coming up in next week or two we`ll see soon enough .

Tasarian
SOT

Everything is being gimped by default after you kill it.

Obviously you've never met General Reparm. Oh wait never mind, he's in PoFire and you're in LotJ. What the hell was I thinking...

Just thought I would mention that PW has now been around for 10 months. So we broke the mold of a new guild only being around for 3 months. Sorry. ;)

At the time of our last rztw kill which was augst or early sep i forget. the encounter was greatly reduced in number of adds. hp etc. maybe it has been fixed not sure but since i see backflaging coming up in next week or two we`ll see soon enough .
Enlightenment can be yours here (http://pub146.ezboard.com/fthesafehousethebackroomsecretsspoilers.showMessag e?topicID=13437.topic).

Hey Talid!
Shouldn't you be training lower guilds for flags to accomplish your random_app_into_another_uber_guild?! 'Cause like, that's always fun. Fucking idiot.
Crist0, you're a twat. Plain a simple. Your random, bullshit infused lies to make us look bad only make yourself look foolish. Hurts to know we kick ass huh? Oh yes sir. We kick ass. Huge, gigantic, hairy booty.
Wiped on grieg? 50 in tov? slow learners?
Oh dear lord.
Hey, how's XA doing?! Good stuff. Good stuff.
Next, next. I'm gonna have me some fucking fun with you tit-bitches.

I love the guy on the Safehouse thread talking about kiting Decorin Elites during fake RZ. How shitty must his guild be?

Shatrius, fuck off.
Just, fuck off. Take Crist0 with you, and move to Sullon Zek. Cyber with some roleplaying dumbfucks from Iraq who want to feel some western booty on their face.

You must be one hell of a cocksucker, Halo, cause any other guildleader would have kicked your faggot ass out by now. I guess Taino just loves his little dicksucking bitch too much to part ways.

Oh nos.. my feelings have been mega hurtz.

Didn't I tell you to fuck off kid?

Does anyone still want to add anything to the actual topic? I mean like.. without any flames hold a normal discussion as I was intending to start it?
If not, you may close this thread. its getting too dumb.

Taino, tell you cum-dribbling bitch Halo to shut the fuck up and get back to sucking your cock.

Chock it up to a new generation of players. People are hitting 65 faster and faster now a days. They need guilds so they make them.

Wow the boards are lively today! What is up with you people??

Master Damoiel Mindbend
Retired Enchanter of the 60th Season

I started a thread, thats all. Didn't you notice yet how all the scum crawls out of their holes when I do so?

I started a thread, thats all. Didn't you notice yet how all the scum crawls out of their holes when I do so?

No, you're just a big fucking drama queen. You and Halo always have to make big productions about how much LOTJ has struggled to become this really uber (lol) guild. Ever think you struggled because you guys just flat out sucked dick as someone else suggested in this thread? Please, continue though. I'm sure Halo will "pwn" me with more European babble like calling me a "kid".

Actually Biggi, LotJ was catching up on XA... while XA was still going strong. I think lotjs first Saryrn kill was two or three weeks after xa's.

Actually.. lotj has developed fast for a guild that only raids 3 times a week... I mean.. not many people have done things like Rydda with no vt gear with less than 50.. but throwing numbers out there is sorta moot anyway..

*/em oozes out from behind his rock*

It really hard to say what's going on for sure Taino. There are a number of experienced players who were cut loose when some of the larger guilds folded tents and probably had issues with the remaining competing guilds in one form or another. Also as someone said, more and more people are levelling faster in PoP and there are fewer established guilds to go to. Others are probably the umpteenth incarnation of ToV, people who just can't seem to hold it together for any length of time and reform every few months. My guess is it is all of those reasons happening at the same time.

Thanks for your interesting input.. and that without one flame! *cheer Gulor*
Seriously.. interesting aspects you brought up.

And and SHAsomething. I don't recall having mentioned my guild in any way before some people felt like insulting it. And when people insult my guild and spread lies, I tend to correct them. Thats all.

I started a thread, thats all. Didn't you notice yet how all the scum crawls out of their holes when I do so? you mean halo? :p

When i see all this, then to a certain point, yes, him too.
Its his business what he says on this Forum. If he chooses to insult people and so on its his business, not mine, nor the one of my guild. But that does not mean that I agree with him.

I think there was a lot of enmity built up between the top tiered guilds, and when CB and XA died, there was nowhere for a lot of those folks to go to. Apping to a guild that you were very vocally against in the past might just come back to haunt you when the vote comes around. -- assuming you ever even get to a vote.

So, here we have some top tier folks without a home, and despite what some say, no one likes to be alone in EQ. It is, after all, a social game. Hence the formation of new upper level guilds.

Most won't last. Some will. But the power structure is changing. It will be interesting to see how this pans out over the next month.

Hurts to know we kick ass huh?


It's just too bad it ends up being your own more often than not ;) Musta struck a nerve to get the amplifyre-ish post per thought frenzy from you Halo.

And Hubbe, dirty canadian opinions mean nothing!

Ya so a real reply, hi im the leader of For Order and Duty.
Wanted the reasons why we were created? Well it goes like this, im the average eq addict, play 6-10 hours per day, enjoy raiding and have a reasonable rep.

Why you ask did i create a new guild instead of applying to an old established guild? Well quite simply because I am from New Zealand. This means EST raids at like noon, and Euro raid at like 6am, which in no way tie in with my RL. SO i gathered my australian friends about me and took to the challenge of FOAD. Thats why we are, cant vouch for the others but i believe we are one of if not the only guild on australian times on the server.

Grumblin ~ Prophet.

what .. cause they are actually correct?

Thanks Grumblin. Thats good reasons. I wish you good luck :)

I think there are sevral reasons that there are alot of new guilds around lately. There have been alot of upper guilds collapsing in the last few months and alot of them go together to join another big guild and others move on to yet different ones. And other guilds basically reform under another name , such as Phoenix which is now The Free. Also alot of the upper guilds have alot of players already, I think some of the people want to be able to have more impact on thier guild than being cleric number 10 or warrior number 12.
I also think PoP is one of the main reasons for this it is rather easy to get to 65 now days. Also I dont consider Paradise War to be part of the new guilds they have been around for almost a year and are doing well.

Chanur Nailo
Deciever

Read topic post, replied, read rest of post :

Hmm well yes its true i came from XA, made some friends and these, along with what i like to believe my supreme tactical genius (hah), all contribute to our strategies and our target base which at the moment is centred on mid-high end velious and luclin. There are certain few people who can actually raid in this timezone, and the fact that we are new and few have heard of us is testament to our low numbers which are slowly rising.

Do i believe we have what it takes to outlast the 3 months? Sure i do, the 30 odd players that are in foad are in my opinion great players and we have only had one leave due to his work time being shifted, so unless everyone decides to fuck off we're here to stay.

As for us trying to absorb some fom XA and CB, really not an option, our timezone kinda forbids us access to the huge core of players that are on EST, so therefore our potential playerbase is limited in itself, and it depends on how many Australasians/Asians/People who work shit hours that there are to start with, that determines how high we will get. So thanks for the wishes of luck, and im eager to find out just as you are the fate of the newer guilds.

Ta.

Grumblin ~ Prophet.

Oh fuck, I heard they just put flurry drakes in the elementals.

With PoP it has become quite easy to get you're char to lvl 65, even if you're not a power player.
So you have alot of high lvl chars who don't wanne raid 7 day's a week, but do wanne have fun together and get the occasional boss mob.
For these people there is no place in the current high lvl guilds like IVM and EW.
So they go out and make there own guilds, with a group of people that mainly wants to have fun together and in the hope that they can achieve something, without the "have to" preasure.
These people usually don't have the leadership skills to make it work or don't have a good solid plan on how to make it work.
They usually lack the vision to complete theire mission or set theire goals so high that the fun leaves, thats why they disapear so fast.

Flurry drakes are fun!

These people usually don't have the leadership skills to make it work or don't have a good solid plan on how to make it work.
They usually lack the vision to complete theire mission or set theire goals so high that the fun leaves, thats why they disapear so fast

This is a ridiculous generalization. I was in a fun guild like this for years. The leadership in Midnight Sun were great players and we did fun stuff.

'Oh fuck, I heard they just put flurry drakes in the elementals. '

- Must really be fucking you guys up.

on a same note while rztw is gimped in comparsion to his former ring event, the mobs, in e plaines are not. they are i`m told harder now then they used to be.

Rathe is a 100 X's easier now that it was since they changed the regen. Coming back to 6 mezzed mobs at 30%+ that you have to kill in 2 minutes is a lot different than coming back to 6 mezzed mobs at 5%.

Fennin is still a pussy.

jumped the easy bandwaggon and applied to the local resident uber guild like a fucking sheep, who most likely raids with 72 people.

I don't know how it is for other "resident uber guild"s, but I know for EW we only get close to 72 on big raids with bots, and recruits. We normally float around the 60 mark. For as long as I can recall, we have always done things with far less people when compared to guilds throughout most servers.

But, we do need more mindless sheep to take the easy way out and raid 6 days a week on the hardest mobs in the game that require you to be on your toes constantly for 5 hours at a time...

Just to satisfy anyone's curiosity who might be wondering... we didn't get into the position we are in now by accepting "sheep" into the guild. We have players that know what they are doing, and how to play... ofcourse with the exception of Malli, Talid and Fingurs p~

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Now to actually get on topic. The game is a million times easier now for your average joe to level from 0-65. With LDoN and the raid cap at 36, there is nowhere for top guilds to progress to. We are stuck farming Time, and doing the occasional LDoN raid until Time respawns.

With the newbie levels so much easier to go through due to changes in the game itself (soon fuckers are gonna start with 200 sense heading wtf?! 8*( ... ), and equipment that is of real good quality with its plat value dropped so low due to the /trader features, it makes it easy for even the casual players to purchase extremely good equipment at a cheap ass rate, and thus increase their rate of progression exponentially.

XP in PoP is just stupid, and does nothing but cause a drastic influx in high-level characters, quicker than people are leaving the high-end game. This also affects players on their way to level 60, because all the zones and dungeons along the way are nearly empty, and make XP so easy to come by due to lack of competition for spawns(hello more gear and plat again), and camps. Thus, your playerbase is born for these new 62+ level guilds.

Well, the next time you raid, to avoid being called a 'zerg' guild, you have to do this.

GuildLeader: To prevent being called a zerg guild, 22 of you are going to have to xp in velks or something while we do this.

Guildmembers: Do we get points for xping in velks while you all raid?

GuildLeader: No, but you can sit in the chat channel and watch us work together while you kill light blues.

I can see that one going over real well. :rollin

Where the fuck are all the middle ground guilds?

Shhhhh, keep it down! It's real nice here in the middle with 75% of the server ahead of us fighting over the POP progression and 24% behind us!

Kad

what .. cause they are actually correct?


No, because you are a dirty Canadian Stubbe..

Grumblin's awesome, good luck with your guild bro.

Y'know Taino, just saying "this is not a flame" doesn't mean that your post isn't a flame. In fact, any time you feel the need to say "this is not a flame" (twice), you should probably just rewrite your post.

Unless of course you intend it to be a flame.

[/quote]Quote Immortalis: Just to satisfy anyone's curiosity who might be wondering... we didn't get into the position we are in now by accepting "sheep" into the guild. We have players that know what they are doing, and how to play... ofcourse with the exception of Malli, Talid and Fingurs p~[/quote]
/agree with the part about Talid and Malli. Maybe Fingurs too.

Grumblin, FOAD! (Love the guild acronym!)

Fuck Taino.*













*This is not a flame.

I'm more than willing to duel either of you, Korl or Immy :(

If I don't know what I'm doing, it should be an easy kill for you, right?

Gulor, Carabella and Chanur all pretty much said what I would have said, in response to Taino's original point.

There are many on the server now in the 60-65 range, and with many different views on how often and how hard-core they want to play. Guilds provide for our social needs in much the same way as restaraunts provide for our appetites; we go to that which we hunger for, and avoid that which we feel may give us indigestion. Folks look for that which they feel will meet their needs, and failing to find it or finding it but not being welcomed by it, they create their own and go from there.

I started playing shortly after ARo went live, and have belonged to only one guild during that time. I have watched many guilds start and fold, as well as some of the more established cease to exist. I have also seen many come to this guild from other guilds, as well as folks leave to go to other guilds. That is simply a reflection of RL; folks want to be where they feel wanted, and valued.

There is room for the varied guilds tho, IMO; not all are at the same level, or have the same goals. I know in my guild we are agreed on the natural progression of the expansions, meaning that since we paid for these we should see all aspects of them; i.e. Kunark is not finished if VP has not been visited, Velious requires the deaths of Tormax, Dain, Yelinak and visits to all of ToV, Luclin SSRA and VT, etc. There are other guilds who appear to be heading straight for PoP content and some that seem on the same track as us, but there is room for all still.

And Grumblin, I salute your effort; I have had a couple friends switch servers to be able to play with other Australians and the time zone.


Bylimet Spiritwalker - Hierophant
Bytesum Spiritwalker - Deceiver
Lost Fires

"SO i gathered my australian friends about me and took to the challenge of FOAD"

I guess if your still here you neither fucked off nor died ::sadaustralianface::

well, you'd be afk talid so ya, kinda easy =(

CoFE is nearly *four* years old

In July 2004, we will be five years old =)

All those ebayed people need some place to go.

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got a question. How can Lotj be one for the top 10 guilds on server with out being EP flagged? I think not.

what do you have to choose from?

ew ivm sot landslide fd rip lotj "the free" fod hmm can't even name a 10th guild.. tl or something.. (list not in any kind of order)..

and I'm not implying that they suck, have lots of friends in lotj and think they are nice people for the most part..

List is not in any kind of order lol noooo... just a bit!

got a question. How can Lotj be one for the top 10 guilds on server with out being EP flagged? I think not.

Last I checked there weren't 10 guilds EP flagged. There are 5.

And if you're talking PoP progression, we've progressed the furthest outside of those 5.

i got my bertoxx flag :)

I just wanna know one thing, does this traino fellow have a life? This is my first time looking at these boards and my first post (thanks), and he seems to have every other response on every topic. I almost wanna trust his opinion when it comes to EQ related material cuz quite frankly I don't think any of you have spent half as much time reading boards and drooling over what mob your guild can kill.
I think a lot of you need to stop bitching at each other (Halo, Cristo, etc...) and I think traino needs to get laid. Or at least get a good look at real woman, wood elves don't count.

1. My name is Taino
2. I participated in around 5 different threads the past month.
YesI post a lot in threads that are of interest to me. 95% of the threads on this forum aren't tho.
I play around 15 hours a week, which equals to the raids my guild has. 90% of the posterson this forum have "less life", then me, considering what you seem to consider having a life.

Base your complaints on facts.
Thank you.

I just wanna know one thing, does this traino fellow have a life? This is my first time looking at these boards and my first post (thanks), and he seems to have every other response on every topic. I almost wanna trust his opinion when it comes to EQ related material cuz quite frankly I don't think any of you have spent half as much time reading boards and drooling over what mob your guild can kill.
I think a lot of you need to stop bitching at each other (Halo, Cristo, etc...) and I think traino needs to get laid. Or at least get a good look at real woman, wood elves don't count.
Ever considder people post from work (their life) and when they get home they just do stuff, play 1 or 2 times a week and have sex before they fall asleep?

And for that matter ... if my life would be playing games all day and going through messageboards instead of putting in 10 hours a day at work .. I know what life I would prefer.

'got a question. How can Lotj be one for the top 10 guilds on server with out being EP flagged? I think not. '

- Oh my, haha. That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while. People really shouldn't post on the topic of PoP progression if they haven't even passed their PoJ trial yet. Seriously.

'I think a lot of you need to stop bitching at each other (Halo, Cristo, etc...) '

- Did you miss the title of this forum? It's a NAG forum, mother fucker. Go to General if you don't like our use of the French language and our constant bitching.
This entire forum is for fun. It gives the masses something to do when we should be working hard.
Sod off.

Oh my, haha. That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while. People really shouldn't post on the topic of PoP progression if they haven't even passed their PoJ trial yet. Seriously.

Do you even Know who I am? Or what guilds I have been in. I have probably got more pop flags than you, and will be EP flaged before your entirer guild, since you have not even surpassed Bertoxx give me a break.

I was a proud member of XA for 2 and a half years and might even have more aa than you can muster and my knowledge of the game is as good as anyone in your guild if not better so piss off Halo

Answer that then :
How can you have a top 10 with only EP guilds when you don't have 10 EP guilds on Ayonae? /boggles

Do you even Know who I am? Or what guilds I have been in. I have probably got more pop flags than you, and will be EP flaged before your entirer guild, since you have not even surpassed Bertoxx give me a break.

I was a proud member of XA for 2 and a half years and might even have more aa than you can muster and my knowledge of the game is as good as anyone in your guild if not better so piss off Halo

You seriously need to update youre magelo

If all the ammo you have is his magelo not being up to date..well, shit..with Halo that's more than usual :/

Most people don't realize they added flags to magelo, I know I didn't until very recently.

He claims alot,
however according to his Magelo he does not even meet LotJ's miminal recruitment requirements (not saying he would want to, thats a diff story).

For starters according to his magelo he is only 64 and well lvl is not really a new feature is it?

So in order to judge his claim he must have an up to date Magelo.

YOU HAVE EVERQUEST KNOWLEDGE?!?! What the fuck were you smoking in XA for 2 and a half years then Mr.Big Shot?

''got a question. How can Lotj be one for the top 10 guilds on server with out being EP flagged? I think not.'

- Your knowledge is better than ours? You have more AA's? Did you READ the sentence you typed out?
That's right up there as the biggest fuckup since Crist0's theory of cockblocking.

Jesus christ, there's no shortage of retards around here this winter.

I based my assumptions on my own life. I play one game: Everquest, and I clock in maybe 2 hours a week. That is how I drew my conclusion about your life or lack of there of.
The reason I directed my post at you, was simply because you seem to have the most posts out of everyone on the current "hot" topics. You also seem to stir up a lot of trouble for no apparent reason.
Halo, I have little to say to you. Just because you can cuss in this forum doesn't make it appropriate or neccessary. I think resorting to foul language is a crutch for the unintelligent. And if your idea of fun is staring at a board constantly, hoping for a chance to criticize or scrutinize someone, I suggest you find something more productive to do with your free time.

The definition of High End Guild is really being applied loosely.

It's a sliding scale that moves for each expansion, tho this time with LDoN I think it remains virutally the same from POP.

Unless you are EP you are still a mid guild. That seems to be the constant bar used for evaluation.

Fandros

Your knowledge is better than ours? You have more AA's? Did you READ the sentence you typed out?


He does have more aa's than you(and afaik he does have more flags), and his sentence states he is no less knowledgable about the game than anyone in your guild, which is not saying his knowledge is "better than" yours.

Did you read the sentence he typed out?

Listen up you little fuck Tard for your information I have not bothered with magloe since pop came out.

I could care 2 shits less about magloe. A site thats never up half the time. Next time your on do a who all you tard I am a lvl 65 shaman.

That is capable and dose run his own raids for his guild.And if you even bothered to look at my last name you would know my rl bro was Swifton, with which we do discuss raid strats and tactics. Now I know why I seldom post on this forum due to the lvl of assholes here that are in guilds that are ledgends in there own mind.

when ptoj gets to the lvl of play as Ew,IVM,SoT,LS (oops sorry forgot I was talking about lotj never be in that class) then halo maybe you can run at the mouth about players you have no idea who they are and only by a web site that has no meaning to the game. Why dont ya just go to guildmasters web site think they have me as lvl 34.

Hora,

Before you begin to dream of being in the elite company of the guilds you listed....

I'd suggest learning to control your temper and learn to type in a manner that's conducive to passing on information...

Fandros

Listen up you little fuck Tard for your information I have not bothered with magloe since pop came out.


Okay that's a lie right there. Your Magelo views u as a lvl 64 shaman.... before pop there was no lvl 64. Nor was there any flags so why do you have flags in your magelo? looks like somebody got caught in thei own lie!

It's probably because he just updated his flags when your buddy started talking junk about him not being past poj trials from looking at his magelo. It's obvious to me his magelo is very out of date, because I actually know him in game..something you might encourage your guildies to do before talking down to him about what he has or has not done.

Again Talari, I must congratulate you on following in the footsteps of Halo. In the future, remember to have even less proof than an outdated magelo to base your arguments on or you will risk straying from the path of your idol.

never said I considered my self part of the elite but for all you peeps that want to know where I do stand i updated my magloe in flags aa and keys not going to waist my time with the gearjust a pain to do.

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Answer that then :
How can you have a top 10 with only EP guilds when you don't have 10 EP guilds on Ayonae? /boggles
Answer that before updating your magelo please. :\

Oh and a lil question for you Crist0 :
Why do people put a magelo link in their sig if it's not up to date? ;)

Answer that then :
How can you have a top 10 with only EP guilds when you don't have 10 EP guilds on Ayonae? /boggles

Duh Ant... 1, 2, 3, 10 :b

And the magelo in my sig is by no means up to date, and the only reason it's still there is because I don't care enough to take it out of the sig.

The sig isn't up to date either...some people just don't update these sorts of things, either through not caring enough or forgetting.

btw whoever said landslide is dead is just plain stupid ... we going on strong and recovered from the loss of old members that servermoved . oh the the backflag joy ....
everything is done now , just 1 more ralloz and elemental planes empty all day cleared by the euros again ;)


and btw taino there is a still a giant sized gap between ltoj and all elemental planes guilds. kill bertoxx 2-3 times and kill ralloz 2-3 times and then you in buisness. i doubt ltoj will do it anytime soon.

Yeah guys LS rocks. I mean going from 2nd to 3rd best guild to failing pre RZ encounters is awesome.

Whats up with all the ex-XA people attacking lotj? Shut up already. Your guild was a mess and thus disbanded. Those of you that didnt backdoor your way into ew formed a shitty guild that will never even compete with lotj, so can it already.

Euro on Euro hate .. heh, and I used to think that LOTJ was the LS recruit farm.

Those of you that didnt backdoor your way into ew formed a shitty guild that will never even compete with lotj, so can it already.


Are you talking about RiP? They didn't form RiP...or are you talking about SoT? They didn't form that either. I know you aren't talking about my guild, because it was formed on Karana then moved to A-Ro.

Again, oh mighty eq guru, I ask that you enlighten us on what it is that you are talking about.

As for the rest, I give your new championing for LotJ a 2 out of 10. Even Halo usually has the good sense to avoid the subject completely instead of going on and on with poor information(Hey, whatever happened to the guy that wouldn't start a flame without having good, firsthand info..I mean you said that on the other thread, right?)

He might be refering to FOAD

'Euro on Euro hate .. heh, and I used to think that LOTJ was the LS recruit farm. '

- Uhm. Think we've lost a whooping 5 members in about 3 years, to LS. You might mean Turul Legion.

Whats up with all the ex-XA people attacking lotj? Shut up already. Your guild was a mess and thus disbanded. Those of you that didnt backdoor your way into ew formed a shitty guild that will never even compete with lotj, so can it already.

He might be refering to FOAD

Why the hate omg ~ yes i was in XA, for like 1 month, they disbanded after i became a full member. As for the other members of XA in my guild, one was a casual player, and the other was a recruit. This is in no way a retarded xa offcut guild, and im actually quite offended at this, sure we may not measure up to LoTJ, and i have nothing against LoTJ, but we are building up.

So if your statement wasnt directed at foad then fine my mistake. But if it was, get your facts straight yo.

Grumblin ~ Prophet.

no grum! YOU need to get the facts straight!!!

~pwned

Hartmut,
LOTJ is capible of doing bert as we speak. We had a minor error in execution last raid, got him down to about 18 % only. Next engagement should see a dead god.

As far as RZ is concerned, i expect to see him dead by sometime in January. Sooner in the month if the guild decides to push hard for him, later in the month if the guild decides to dilly-daddle around.


Yes, we are aware that a giant gap exists in the power between elemental guilds and LOTJ, (or elemental guilds and VA or FD, etc).
Once a guild kills RZ twice, and has all the backflagging done, they have great potential to advance in power rapidly, but until VA, FD, or lotj kills RZ, the 3 of our guilds will be very close in power, and there will be a huge gap in power between our 3 guilds and the elemental guilds. That is obvious.


Hartmut, I am coming back from a 2 month afk from eq, so i am hoping you can answer this question for me...
you said that a lot of LS servermoved. I am curious which server they went to.

kane bayle