View Full Version : New-Hoovervilles forming in California?
Sanchek
03-17-2008, 09:59 AM
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Rover
03-17-2008, 11:24 AM
Hey...but the surge is working!
LummusL
03-17-2008, 12:33 PM
California saw the highest increase in housing costs due to speculation.
California has some of the most expensive energy costs.
California has some of the most vast urban sprawl.
California has no concept of mass transit or development based on anything other than the car.
California is of course the first card in the house to fall.
Honestly when is this love affair with the automobile going to end? If our cars were not soaking us of so much of our incomes we could weather this economic storm with a bit more piece of mind. The bitch is robbing us blind and not putting out enough. Between fuel, insurance, maintainence, and the car payments, is there a way that money could be better spent? Have you ever passed a trailer park and seen the shittiest shanty of a trailer with a brand shiney new full sized truck or SUV parked next to it?
WTF people. We are fat and our cars are raping our wallets. Walk. Buy a bicycle. Ride it to work. Get some exercise. If you live too far to ride your bike, move closer to your job or take the train. If there is no train, find a place that has one. Fucking adapt. Its that or live in your car.
Jedd Corpse
03-17-2008, 12:44 PM
California saw the highest increase in housing costs due to speculation.
California has some of the most expensive energy costs.
California has some of the most vast urban sprawl.
California has no concept of mass transit or development based on anything other than the car.
California is of course the first card in the house to fall.
Honestly when is this love affair with the automobile going to end? If our cars were not soaking us of so much of our incomes we could weather this economic storm with a bit more piece of mind. The bitch is robbing us blind and not putting out enough. Between fuel, insurance, maintainence, and the car payments, is there a way that money could be better spent? Have you ever passed a trailer park and seen the shittiest shanty of a trailer with a brand shiney new full sized truck or SUV parked next to it?
WTF people. We are fat and our cars are raping our wallets. Walk. Buy a bicycle. Ride it to work. Get some exercise. If you live too far to ride your bike, move closer to your job or take the train. If there is no train, find a place that has one. Fucking adapt. Its that or live in your car.
RV's are the future!!!
Wiggo da troll
03-17-2008, 12:50 PM
didnt bush "veto" a gas mileage proposition from california a while ago?
LummusL
03-17-2008, 01:08 PM
Wiggo, that would have been a nice gesture but it would have been too little too late.
Expensive gas is more of an irritant than the root of the US's economic woes. The root is housing costs, the credit to buy them, furnish them etc. The speculators killed the goose that laid the golden egg. Just like easy terms and over speculation caused the stock market to crash in 1929. Excitement of easy money can make alot of false value and it becomes a giant Ponzi scheme when its all over.
I am not playing down my arguement about how much money we waste on cars by any means. It just isn't the root of the problem. It DOES represent money that could be freed up to ease the crunch caused by paying for basics like food, shelter, heat, diapers etc. You still gotta eat but you don't need that 1 hour one way commute in the Avalanche every day just to get to work. Blowing 1/3 of your wad on just getting back and forth to your job is dumb. There are better things in life to spend money on outside of a commute. Gas prices get the most press and are the one thing that could really be the easiest to remedy at the consumer end.
Sanchek
03-17-2008, 01:27 PM
Regardless of the car you drive, oil prices still affect the cost of almost all of your basic necessities. There's not much way around that.
Rover
03-17-2008, 02:42 PM
Regardless of the car you drive, oil prices still affect the cost of almost all of your basic necessities. There's not much way around that.
Translation: Shit Rolls Downhill!
fildien
03-18-2008, 11:25 AM
Regardless of the car you drive, oil prices still affect the cost of almost all of your basic necessities. There's not much way around that.
And this is becoming increasingly evident in grocery costs and places that "deliver". Anyone who hasn't tracked their expenses in commodities over the last 3-5 years might not notice it. But if you're someone who budgets the increases are nuts, I see inflation and it sucks :(
Thormir
03-18-2008, 11:33 AM
Household incomes have been falling (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/08/business/08recession.html?_r=2&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1205845437-HCaj9dn6USvXxG5wZr8fLg) [last graf] since 1999. The doubling of gas prices since Katrina is only exacerbating an already nasty crisis. I have a short commute to work, but it's a 30 minute drive to school 4 days a week, which is proving most unkind to my wallet.
Rover
03-18-2008, 02:04 PM
Shouldn't we be worried about a pastor of a church in Chicago more than this inflation stuff?
Starrla
03-18-2008, 02:41 PM
I call this the trickle down theory...lol
I say when the all the banks own the land and houses...impose a HUGE property tax to pay for the food lines! :D
Crystana65
03-18-2008, 04:24 PM
I blame the people who want those nice, shiny brand new trucks, suv's or cars. You want the looks, you gotta pay for it.
I drive to work and the majority of the vehicles i see on the road day or night are SuV's, pickup and vans, and most are blowing right by me around 80+mph. (I drive around 75 mph or so)
My car is 12 years old, but it's paid for and still gets about 25mpg, so i average about $75 to $100 a month on gas which isn't too bad. I won't get a newer car till the one i have costs too much to keep running. (Hopefully a few years yet..hehe)
Fandros
03-18-2008, 04:40 PM
Trust me, after wanting an Avalanche since the day they rolled out and getting it, loving it I'm now looking at having to trade it in for a smaller vehicle ;(
velvetsilence
03-18-2008, 10:39 PM
We've had tent cities around here for at least a decade so while nothing new they are getting bigger and bigger every year.(yea for bieng TOO Liberal of a state).
I parked my 4X4 first of the year and started taking the bus to work. went from 80$ a week to 45$ a month for an unlimited pass. It's a mix of good and bad add's an hour and a half to my day(bad) some people need to learn to shower(bad) 8 min. walk to the stop on cool mornings(good) meeting very interesting people and people watching a very diverse crossection of my country(really cool) lots more book time(really good).
Watching the crack ho's sling thier nasty puddy in the home depot parking lot when i miss my afternoon connection? Priceless!!!
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