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Sixee
05-16-2006, 04:00 PM
LOL, too funny!!! Not too sure who wrote it, but its well written.


"We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help
everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid more
riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the
blessings of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and
other liberal bed-wetters. We hold these truths to be self evident: that a
whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim they
require a Bill of NON-Rights."

ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or
any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire
them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.

ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This
country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you
stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not
expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently
wealthy.

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing.
Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly
help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing
generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes. (This one is my pet peeves...get an education and go to work....don't expect everyone else to take care of you!)

ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be
nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested
in public health care.

ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people.
If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be
surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.

ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If
you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens,
don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place
where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV or a life of
leisure.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want
you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we
expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and
vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful. (AMEN!)

ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American
means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness, which by the way, is lot
easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws
created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.

ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you
are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came
from! (lastly....)

ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history
or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And
yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no
faith at all; with no fear of persecution. The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part
of our heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH!

Esbat
05-16-2006, 04:13 PM
ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history
or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And
yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no
faith at all; with no fear of persecution. The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part

This is still open to debate; in fact there is a pretty strong argument that "religious freedom" had very little to do with a very well known group of the early settlers. Can you tell me when "In God We Trust" was added to our money? Hint: it was long after the country was founded.

Greystone Thorngage
05-16-2006, 04:22 PM
The last two are just further proof of peoples ignorance. The irony that immigrants and mixed cultered people are bi-lingual, most of europe is bi-lingual, many african countries are bi-lingual. Yet redneck hicks and dumb asses can't catch up to the rest of the world.

Esbat hit my point exactly.

Also, one nation under god.....Allah, Jews are all monothestic how come it can't be their one true god? OR if i believe in Jim as my high diety, why cant Jim be the one true god.

There is a difference between being overly politically correct, and just being ignorant and intolerant.

Sixee
05-16-2006, 04:28 PM
The last two are just further proof of peoples ignorance. The irony that immigrants and mixed cultered people are bi-lingual, most of europe is bi-lingual, many african countries are bi-lingual. Yet redneck hicks and dumb asses can't catch up to the rest of the world.

Esbat hit my point exactly.

Also, one nation under god.....Allah, Jews are all monothestic how come it can't be their one true god? OR if i believe in Jim as my high diety, why cant Jim be the one true god.

There is a difference between being overly politically correct, and just being ignorant and intolerant.

Well, if you think Europe is so hot, you should try and visit it sometime.
Trust me, you'll pine for the U.S.
And it doesn't say you can't speak your native tongue, it says LEARN ENGLISH, if you are going to come here.
When I was in Germany, guess what I had to learn to get along?
No matter how loudly I yelled in English, the Germans weren't going to listen to me unless I tried to Spreken Deutch.
So learn the language of the country you are trying to invade, it helps you get along a little better.

fildien
05-16-2006, 06:03 PM
Invaded countries are often forced to speak the language of their invaders.

Taleren Bloodsong
05-16-2006, 06:19 PM
not to mention that there is no nationally recognized official language of the United States. I'm not against there being one, but at the moment there isn't one.

Kanyli
05-16-2006, 07:04 PM
not to mention that there is no nationally recognized official language of the United States. I'm not against there being one, but at the moment there isn't one.You know how many nonsense issues would be solved in the areas of education/immegration reform and commerce if some politician would grow a pair and deal with this issue? Same crap as the boarders - either there is no official language, or there is, but make up your mind and stick to it.

Lleauric
05-16-2006, 07:20 PM
Nah.

The French force people to learn their language. Id rather it was like it is now. People learn english because they want to, or they want to do business.

This country was founded on the belief in one true God.

Actually I believe it was founded on the concept of natural rights.

Thormir
05-16-2006, 07:46 PM
ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history
or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God.

Demonstrably false. The country was founded on the belief (well, one of many)that gods needed to be kept out of politics, and vice versa. The Founding Fathers had experienced the mixture of politics and religion and found it not to their liking, for good reason. Several colonies were very theocratic. Massachusetts routinely persecuted Baptists and Quakers, for instance (it's quite ironic that Baptists, particularly, cite the US as a "Christian Nation" given how badly they were treated in the colonies).
ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested
in public health care.
I wonder what polling reveals of national attitudes toward universal health care. Given the massive number of uninsured citizens, I suspect a near majority (at least) would disagree with this assertion.
...liberal bed-wetters...
Given the conservative crying about wars on Christian holidays, wars on Christians themselves, opposition to governmental invasion of privacy and so on, this is laughable (the only "LOL, too funny!!!" part of the whole bit, really).

Sixee
05-17-2006, 08:58 AM
ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history
or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And
yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no
faith at all; with no fear of persecution. The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part
of our heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH!

You keep missing the point here.
It says the country was founded on the belief of 1 God, and that even though you may believe in a different God, or no god at all, you are allowed to pursue your belief without fear of persecution. Trying to change or ignore that part in history is a disservice to the Founding Fathers. Whether they were Christian men or not, the believed in something bigger than themselves. They just decided to call it God, for lack of a better term.

The only laughable part of any of this is the picking and choosing of the issues that people decide to take issue with.
Remember:

ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This
country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

Furtivus
05-17-2006, 09:51 AM
"I wonder what polling reveals of national attitudes toward universal health care. Given the massive number of uninsured citizens, I suspect a near majority (at least) would disagree with this assertion."

Polling would be almost worthless on that subject. Of course everyone wants free health care. That's like taking a poll of employees if they want an extra day of vacation each year. It's a no brainer.

However, if you include the effect of free health care your poll would likely change dramatically. The original post assumes free health care would go the way of free housing (you might get it, but it would be bad for everyone). If you asked people whether they would want free health care if it was of the same quality as public housing, you'd likely not have huge support. In the end though, you won't get too many people to agree on the likely effect of free health care in the U.S. (just as you probably disagree that free health care would be the same as free public housing). Hell Canada has free health care and you hear vastly contradictory stories of the effect it's had there.

Lleauric
05-17-2006, 10:06 AM
At best, its just poorly worded. When you say "one TRUE God" it makes a statement about the validity of other religions. Was Jesus Christ God? Thats the question that founding fathers wanted to bypass.

Instead, the moral underpinnings are strongly rooted in christian judeo ethic without the putting forth of its divinity. It is a very nuanced and delicate position. I see it as the embracing of the teachings of Jesus as a philosophy rather than a religion. Jesus as man rather than God (PBHN =P )

Sixee
05-17-2006, 10:10 AM
At best, its just poorly worded. When you say "one TRUE God" it makes a statement about the validity of other religions. Was Jesus Christ God? Thats the question that founding fathers wanted to bypass.

Instead, the moral underpinnings are strongly rooted in christian judeo ethic without the putting forth of its divinity. It is a very nuanced and delicate position. I see it as the embracing of the teachings of Jesus as a philosophy rather than a religion. Jesus as man rather than God (PBHN =P )


ACK!!! We agree on something!!!
There's a scary thought....

Thormir
05-17-2006, 12:19 PM
Instead, the moral underpinnings are strongly rooted in christian judeo ethic without the putting forth of its divinity. It is a very nuanced and delicate position. I see it as the embracing of the teachings of Jesus as a philosophy rather than a religion. Jesus as man rather than God
There's no escaping the influence of Christian thought on the Founders (and here I'm referring to the primary architects: Adams, Madison, Hamilton, Jefferson), but it was very much a "take the good, leave the bad" bit of sampling. Jefferson, for instance, edited his copy of the New Testament, excising miracles and Hell chat in favor of the wisdom to be found therein.

The primary underpinning of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence was indeed natural law and natural rights ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...") as espoused by 18th Century Enlightenment philosophy, with an eye toward restrained powers of the Executive. The "Creator" was left deliberately vague, thus encompassing deistic, unitarian, orthodox Christian and most other views. This didn't appeal to everyone; some, like Patrick Henry, wanted a theocratically governed state. Fortunately, that's not how it turned out.

Sixee
05-17-2006, 01:03 PM
That is an interesting way of looking at things.
Back then the thinking was, use the good parts, leave the bad.
Now days it's Harp on the bad parts, and forget about the good.

Esbat
05-17-2006, 01:47 PM
ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This
country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

I think the part in bold is the key point. The First Amendment is in place to ensure everyone can express their opinion. The general thinking was that what was "right" would rise to be the prevailing opinion and what was patently false or absurd would be exiled to the fringes of society.

Pity that there are so many people trying to subvert that very basic truth: http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi/ci_3823356

Bylimet Spiritwalker
05-17-2006, 02:31 PM
LOL, great link Esbat. "ejection seat on a helicopter"......ROFLMAO

The folks in Boulder need to put down the pipes and roach clips, and their Perrier bottles, and realize that it will never be possible to have a Utopian society as long as there is more than one individual living in it.

Sixee
05-17-2006, 02:33 PM
I'm calling the hotline on everyone on this board....

Xapp
05-22-2006, 01:19 AM
You know how many nonsense issues would be solved in the areas of education/immegration reform and commerce if some politician would grow a pair and deal with this issue? Same crap as the boarders - either there is no official language, or there is, but make up your mind and stick to it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/18/AR2006051800242.html

Kanyli
05-22-2006, 09:15 AM
I've been watching that, it's a start. I think I even had to tone down a post on another board when I first saw that article, and I was surprised to see the Senate would even touch it. Truth be told I could happily go either direction - close the damn boarder, or open it completely, it's this halfway crap that's causing problems. I don't see the English resolutions passing, however. At least, not with any degree of force. There are whole sections of cities in the Southwest where everything - billboards, products in stores, etc - is in Spanish. The local Fry's groceries has Spanish signs first, and English under it. Might be too little too late.

Go after the benefits for being in the country! No more free schools, easy jobs, provide only emergency health care. Fine the living daylights out of any employer caught hiring illegals - or better yet automatically shut them down. Get the IRS to stop using family soc. security numbers. All the things that make it easy and desirable to live here.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
05-22-2006, 11:53 AM
The English as a national language idea may well pass, since the focus is on people being able to speak it to gain citizenship. Those not seeking citizenship are not forced to change the language spoken in their small enclaves, or modify signage on storefronts and billboards.....although some of the far right may indeed pursue that down the road.

But I agree with the rest, as far as shutting down a business, modifying the Social Security practices, etc. And, I strongly believe the IRS should be forced to become part of the solution via the disclsoure of identities of those using the same SSN's, and pointing out those businesses turning in payrolls with more than one employee using the same SSN.

Unfortunately, as long as these people are paying payroll taxes and social security taxes, it is less likely that there will be a strong effort to stop that source of incoming revenue by those who like to spend that revenue.

Sixee
05-22-2006, 02:28 PM
Yeah, unless people are shamed to stop, they will keep lining their pockets...