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Really on the fence on this one....


On the one hand it is ridiculous to pat down every single man, woman and child that go into a stadium...and to some degree it's a search without probable cause...

On the other hand, the risk is great, the threat is real, it's not like they are strip searching people...and if they only searched some people they'd be railed for racially profiling.


Thoughts?

My biggest personal beef is how much longer it takes to get into events because of things like this and I REALLY don't like the idea of an adult patting down my 2 year old daughter.

Its typical at almost all events that I like to attend now days, however trying to get a ticket to a Packer game, you have to sell your soul.

A number of stadiums already started this last year. It didn't slow down the lines enough for me to notice and was not nearly as intrusive as it appears on paper.

In watching the video again...it appears they have women patting down women and men patting down men, it's quick and looks fairly harmless to me.

No one is forcing anyone to go to these games...don't like the pat down...watch the game on TV.

No, it's easier to blame George Bush for the loss of our Civil Liberties, rather then take the precaution that some idiot in the name of Allah will try and kill as many Infidels as possible at one of these events.
Regardless, if something were to happen, the question would be: Why weren't people being patted down before entering the stadium?
Catch 22 if there ever was one....

No one is forcing anyone to go to these games...don't like the pat down...watch the game on TV.


To take the cynic's position for a moment, which as you all know I so seldom do, what do you suppose this will do to future contracts for network broadcast of the games? If more folks are staying home and watching on TV, that means a larger audience for the advertisers, which means more dollars charged for ad minutes. If more people are choosing to watch on TV, that puts the media folks in a stronger position when negotiating for broadcast rights.

Ask the question, who stands to profit/gain by this policy? Sad to say, but not all apparent "security measures" are put in place for security reasons alone.

Funny...I didn't see Bush mentioned once in that video.

Though I agree with the second part of your statement, though a little common sense needs to be applied. Granny and junior don't really need to be padded down.

In watching the video again...it appears they have women patting down women and men patting down men, it's quick and looks fairly harmless to me.

If you've ever been to a game you'd know this hardly how it happens. They can't possibly staff an equal number of men and women at the doors of every single stadium. I've been patted down by men, women, children, the eldery, and animals - and I show up to most games 5 hours before kickoff. The lines to get into FedEx field are incredible with the pat downs - but then again, its pretty necessary. There are few other gatherings that bring in that kind of attendance.

First - I think it's a little overboard. Actually really overboard.

But that aside, how is this a constitutional issue if it's a corporation making the decision for private property? I'm missing something, because my understanding would be that they can do just about whatever they want. No one is forced to go to the game.

It's a little overboard until some Durkadurka Alahjihad bastard clears out an entire section of the stadium with 10lbs of C4. (Yeah, I don't know my explosives but you get the idea)

Then all we'll here is people screaming, "This shouldn't have happened! The NFL should have been doing something to combat this kind of thing... My baby's dead!" blah blah blah.

So instead of clearing out an entire section inside the stadium, Durkadurka is going to take out the crowd waiting in line to get patted down...

Maybe the city cops should pat down all the people coming into town, but then who's gonna pat down all the people coming into the county? What about the state line?

I see your point but still, if nobody checks anywhere and it happens, who's gonna get sued? The NFL has deep pockets and they want to keep them that way. I can't blame them.

Maybe they would think the explosion is part of the halftime show if it happened in the stadium.
If if happens in the pat down line, does it count as part of the tailgating festivities?

:rolleyes:

There's a far higher concentration of people sitting in the stands than waiting in a line. Most Stadiums have somewhere around 120 enterances.

Great point Akipt.....

New plan...everyone must pat down everyone everywhere all the time...with special attention paid to those that pose more risk. For me that would be attractive women. :)

Number of casualties is not the primary goal of terrorism.

Scaring us enough to make us pat everyone at a stadium down is?

Still trying to figure out how this is a constitutional matter. Maybe an issue for the BBB...

Football is the new American tradition. Our forefathers saw to it that our rights to see the game would not be trampled upon.

This is more an attempt to stop people BYOB-ing, than to stop terrorism.

6Pack at liquor store? 5.99
1 16oz Beer at the Stadium? 7.99

You do the math.

5 Bomb sniffing dogs could cover an entire event at the price of 10k, if thats what they really wanted to do. But instead they opt for Sally OneTooth frisking everyone...

This is more an attempt to stop people BYOB-ing, than to stop terrorism.

6Pack at liquor store? 5.99
1 16oz Beer at the Stadium? 7.99

You do the math.

5 Bomb sniffing dogs could cover an entire event at the price of 10k, if thats what they really wanted to do. But instead they opt for Sally OneTooth frisking everyone...

/nod
I think it's less about terroism and more about profits. They are trying to sell it as a counter terroism thing.

Its the same going to a movie theater or any public event (concerts? theme parks?) - you can't bring your own. But its their place, their rules.

Seriously I can't understand why anyone would go to a football game though, compared to watching it on TV. More often than not even standing on the sidelines I can't follow half of the game.

You go to see the Cheerleaders, silly. They don't have a cheerleader cam, for the guys who are watching at home....

5 Bomb sniffing dogs could cover an entire event at the price of 10k, And after pooch wet noses little Annie, the stadium is out $10 million for the vicious attack.

Its the same going to a movie theater or any public event (concerts? theme parks?) - you can't bring your own. But its their place, their rules.

Seriously I can't understand why anyone would go to a football game though, compared to watching it on TV. More often than not even standing on the sidelines I can't follow half of the game.

Frankly I enjoy the atmosphere. I like the sounds you don't hear on the TV and there's some electric about being there. However, at the rate they charge for tickets these I wouldn't go if my company didn't have season passes. It's more costly for a family of 4 to go to a football game than to a damn concert. And baseball is getting to be the same way, luckily I live around allot of minor league teams so they're still cheap :D

Baseball - expensive?
Here our football tickets, even the shitty seats, are $50+
Baseball tickets can be found for $4+
There's like 100 baseball games a season and only 11 football games - makes sense the football ones would be more expensive.

And after pooch wet noses little Annie, the stadium is out $10 million for the vicious attack.

I know you know better than that on how the dogs operate.

Baseball - expensive?
Here our football tickets, even the shitty seats, are $50+
Baseball tickets can be found for $4+
There's like 100 baseball games a season and only 11 football games - makes sense the football ones would be more expensive.

Wow Kelraz, not much of a sports fan eh? Baseball can be expensive, it depends on the stadium and whether they have bleacher seats or not. Some stadiums with bleachers do indeed offer tickets in the $5-8 range for day games during the week (of course these prices go up for a weekend or night game when you'd normally be off work and able to take your kids). Football tickets are damned expensive and even worse from a scalper.

Like 100 games? 81 home games per team in the majors, 162 for a season. NFL has a 16 game season, each team has 8 home games. Obviously this is not counting the post season. College football teams play 11-12 game seasons not counting bowl games. Most college tickets start for less than $30 bucks, but again can depend on the school.

Not really, a lot of my co-workers make fun of me for it. I knew I went to 11 Redskins football games last year, guess that included the playoffs though.

My company has season passes for the Ravens and the Orioles (who suck much ass atm)....we still have to pay if we want the tickets but we pay a discounted rate. The Raven's seats run upwards of $70 a piece and the O's seats are all $45 a piece. If I want to see the Lancaster Barnstormers or the Harrisburg Senators I can get 3 tickets for the price of ONE O's ticket. But we also have the Hershey bears and thankfully those aren't that bad either....yet. :)

The kid likes Hershey Park better than sports though so we tend to spend more time there these days. Not that I mind, but I do like watching a good game.

I'm a baseball type myself. Can we make an argument that the cost of a hot dog is unconstitutional? They took our national pasttime and converted us to really short dogs made of...something...not meat. The Diamondbacks have their own dog, $5 for a skinny little thing.

Last sporting event I went too (Blue Jackets Hockey) cost me 8.50 for my Guinness :(

I'll be at maybe a half a dozen Ravens games this year Fil :) See you there!

HA! We'll see, the football tickets are a hot commodity here and so we have to enter a lottery to see who gets to win a chance to buy them. /sigh I got lucky last year and won dibs on 2 home games. No way will I pay full price for those tickets, these are excellent seats :D

My company get's Raider tickets every year, I just need to work on my tan...