Al Gore gave a really good speech today.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/08/28/sot.dnc.gore.entire.cnn
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If you didn't get substance from his speech, then there will never be substance that will satisfy. Obama defined Change tonight with at least 29 policy points.

Yeah that was pure quality. The speech, the production (that video package was +++), everything was pretty much perfect. The worst thing I saw were a couple split second camera glitches. The republican convention is going to look downright pathetic in comparison.

Oh jesus nanci pelosi is on now KILL IT WITH FIRE.

WOW, like him or not. voting for him or not. you cannot deny that was anything less than powerfull. I feel a bit sorry for McCain.

I've enjoyed listening to Obama give speeches since 2004 DNC.

If he would leave off the bashing of the Republicans and run on his points of interest I'd vote for him.

A strong man doesn't feel the need to prop himself up by continually bashing and playing dirty.

He'll really win folks over if he all but avoids that game. We know McCain will have to sink to the trenches and avoiding that game will do Obama right imho.

Please leave off the uber teenage speak tho, "owning" another isn't really an apt term for this is it?

Jesus Christ if he doesn't attack McCain at all he will lose because of the ignorant voters who will take McCains negativity as truth.

Awesome.

One of the best political speeches any of us will see in our lifetimes.

Jesus Christ if he doesn't attack McCain at all he will lose because of the ignorant voters who will take McCains negativity as truth.

Simply not true and weak sauce all around.

Obama already has the voters, he can do more for the country if he shines instead of sinks to that level.

He attacked McCain with class and with the truth. He used McCain's record against him without resorting to swift boating and all around lies.

He showed his respect for McCain and told McCain that it is time to stop with the attacks on patriotism and love of the troops and such just because they disagree.

All the man did was hold his own, and explain why you should vote for him and not his opponent. The reason we are so quick to get pissed off at McCain is because 80% of the time he is lieing when he attacks Obama!

It just seems that you keep adding more to the game for Obama to win your vote...

He attacked McCain with class and with the truth. He used McCain's record against him without resorting to swift boating and all around lies.

He showed his respect for McCain and told McCain that it is time to stop with the attacks on patriotism and love of the troops and such just because they disagree.

All the man did was hold his own, and explain why you should vote for him and not his opponent. The reason we are so quick to get pissed off at McCain is because 80% of the time he is lieing when he attacks Obama!

Utter lie there bub, 80%?

Really not helping Obama here, he might thank you to shhhhh a lil ;P

Calling out bullshit =/= HE DOESN'T WEAR A FLAG PIN HE HATES AMERICA

You're acting terribly naive.

He attacked McCain with class and with the truth. He used McCain's record against him without resorting to swift boating and all around lies.

He showed his respect for McCain and told McCain that it is time to stop with the attacks on patriotism and love of the troops and such just because they disagree.

All the man did was hold his own, and explain why you should vote for him and not his opponent. The reason we are so quick to get pissed off at McCain is because 80% of the time he is lieing when he attacks Obama!

Utter lie there bub, 80%?

Really not helping Obama here, he might thank you to shhhhh a lil ;P

How many times in the last 3 months have you heard McCain claim that Obama is going to raise all of our taxes? It has been in all his ad's. IT IS A LIE. He is cutting taxes to over 95 Million Americans.

How many times have you heard McCain claim that Obama is not ready to lead... How does he know?

All his negative comments are bullshit and fear mongering. He has 0 substance when he attacks Obama.

Jedd I agree but calm down with the hyperbole.

Calling out bullshit =/= HE DOESN'T WEAR A FLAG PIN HE HATES AMERICA

You're acting terribly naive.

Excuse me Disc? Kindly toddle off bub.

I've never made an issue of the Flag Pin, kinda thought it was media trumped up bullshit.

I'm not voting McCain, I might vote for Obama he needs to do a lil more to assuage my knowledge of his very liberal voting record.

1) Stay out of the trenches
2) Keep talking about what he's actually going to do instead of CHANGE hurrahh
3) Keep the Clintons/Kennedy's and Jackson's out of his cabinet (PLEASE)
4) Start working to bridge the gap in Congress

He fails in those 4 areas, I'll write in my own choice ( yes throwing away my vote but I'll do that rather than waste my vote on a bad candidate)

Excuse me Disc? Kindly toddle off bub.

I've never made an issue of the Flag Pin, kinda thought it was media trumped up bullshit.

I'm not voting McCain, I might vote for Obama he needs to do a lil more to assuage my knowledge of his very liberal voting record.

1) Stay out of the trenches
2) Keep talking about what he's actually going to do instead of CHANGE hurrahh
3) Keep the Clintons/Kennedy's and Jackson's out of his cabinet (PLEASE)
4) Start working to bridge the gap in Congress

He fails in those 4 areas, I'll write in my own choice ( yes throwing away my vote but I'll do that rather than waste my vote on a bad candidate)

My friend... He just gave you 29 policy points. time to take number 2 off the list.

Fandros, did you watch the speech tonight?

He was pretty damn clear on his policies and plans.

Do you know the word "keep"??

Good lord I said I want him to keep discussing them.

It's important he sticks to his policy points > attacks.

To me, he's gaining ground on my vote but I tend to forget my stance and slide away when I read your hyperbole ridden angst driven posts.

Just breath will ya.

As for seeing the speech, i'm watching it in another window now. I'm at work and couldn't catch it live.

Oh and ...

5) Be the first Democratic president to actually mean it when they say they're not going to raise taxes on the middle class. Hell first President from either side of the aisle to be honest!!

6) Look into a national sales tax and ditch the IRS and oh my I'll give you my first born Mr Obama!!

Excuse me Disc? Kindly toddle off bub.

I've never made an issue of the Flag Pin, kinda thought it was media trumped up bullshit.

The idea that he should essentially ignore the republican party and say nothing bad whatsoever about them is insane. It's quite possible to be offensive in a substantive manner without being dirty, which is exactly what he did tonight.

Dirty: Obama is a traitor

Not Dirty: John McCain is wrong

He is just watching it now... He posted before watching it, so he hasn't yet heard the substance/McCain attacks in the speech tonight.

Oh he has plenty of material if he wants to go after Bush and his administration. I don't have too much trouble with him doing that.

Honestly tho, he's in the clear in the race. As clear as Jamaica's Bolt winning the 100m.

Now he can focus on setting the tone of his Presidency as opposed to continually playing the nasty game of slinging dirt.

He gets his chance to show against McCain in Debates from now to November.

I updated the thread with the speech Al Gore gave, which is very important to democrats as he highlighted the situation with the supreme court justices.

He is just watching it now... He posted before watching it, so he hasn't yet heard the substance/McCain attacks in the speech tonight.

You're right, I had a friend send me "cliffnotes" of what he thought was important.

You'd be suprised Jedd, if you came down off your soap box on which position I take in discussions with him. I generally have slid over to Obama's vote but I want a few more things in line before I throw that lever yanno?

You're right, I had a friend send me "cliffnotes" of what he thought was important.

You'd be suprised Jedd, if you came down off your soap box on which position I take in discussions with him. I generally have slid over to Obama's vote but I want a few more things in line before I throw that lever yanno?

I know... I am just so passionate about this stuff that sometimes I get all loud and it sounds like i am attacking, but its just excitement.

What would an internet political discussion forum be without soap boxes?

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I know... I am just so passionate about this stuff that sometimes I get all loud and it sounds like i am attacking, but its just excitement.

Fair enough ;)

I was equally excited in 1980 about Pres Regan ;) I know how easy it is to get fully wrapped up in the passion that is politics.

Here is an example of McCain's negative ad's...

http://i38.tinypic.com/j90cnd.jpg


Just saw this on the link i posted from Youtube and had to upload it and show to you.

I have NEVER seen an Obama ad like this.

Oh he has plenty of material if he wants to go after Bush and his administration. I don't have too much trouble with him doing that.

Honestly tho, he's in the clear in the race. As clear as Jamaica's Bolt winning the 100m.

Now he can focus on setting the tone of his Presidency as opposed to continually playing the nasty game of slinging dirt.

He gets his chance to show against McCain in Debates from now to November.

I wish I could have that same confidence. :( I worry too much about stupid people.

You have to see where I'm coming from: I've only followed politics since 2000, so it feels really good to finally see a democratic presidential nominee that isn't afraid to call out obvious horse-shit in an intelligent, yet forceful manner.

I wish I could have that same confidence. :( I worry too much about stupid people.

You have to see where I'm coming from: I've only followed politics since 2000, so it feels really good to finally see a democratic presidential nominee that isn't afraid to call out obvious horse-shit in an intelligent, yet forceful manner.

It's been ugly for far longer than that. Clinton was a devious back stabbing mug who I voted for initially and still regret that vote all these years later.

I just want a honorable candidate who rises up to the position as opposed to the same shit we've dealt with for decades....yanno?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/28/republicans.react.to.obama/index.html

Presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain issued a statement minutes after Obama wrapped his speech: "Tonight, Americans witnessed a misleading speech that was so fundamentally at odds with the meager record of Barack Obama.

"When the temple comes down, the fireworks end and the words are over, the facts remain: Sen. Obama still has no record of bipartisanship, still opposes offshore drilling, still voted to raise taxes on those making just $42,000 per year and still voted against funds for American troops in harm's way.

"The fact remains: Barack Obama is still not ready to be president."

There was just too much glitz and glamour emanating from the floor of the Invesco Field, transformed by a crew of seasoned Hollywood veterans, conservatives said.

Voters should look past what the GOP calls Obama's rhetoric intended to mask a man relatively new to public service compared to John McCain.

Here is an example of McCain's negative ad's...

http://i38.tinypic.com/j90cnd.jpg


Just saw this on the link i posted from Youtube and had to upload it and show to you.

I have NEVER seen an Obama ad like this.

That series of ads were the straw for me.

Pat Buchanan loved it!

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Well since you seem to be the video man, got anything of olbermann tearing into that terrible article that went up on the AP about the speech BEFORE the speech?

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7) Keep Al "I'm a bit of a nutter" Gore out of the picture if possible please!

Aight, if he holds to his talking points , sticks to his guns and as long as it doesn't turn out he's the man who shot JFK...

I'll pull that lever for him.

Great speech!

I think at least in Ohio that Obama (and the DNC) had to respond to the negative campaigning from McCain here. I don't know how many of the rest of you live in battle ground states, but I'm inundated DAILY by negative adds from the McCain campaign. I think the DNC responding to these and addressing what's contained therein is more important at least in Ohio than anything else they could have done.

This was possibly the best political speech I have ever seen or heard.

And while I liked Keith going after the AP for that analysis of Babbington's, I was also quite annoyed with his own reading of selected parts of the speech BEFORE Obama delivered it. I thought that was self-serving and tactless.

I watched about the last half of it live, in HD, last night. I'll second whoever praised the production values. It was a very good show.

I really don't care for Obama's politics at all, but that was a great speech. You almost forget that he's been in Senate less than two years.

I feel sorry for McCain trying to follow that up within a week.

I just watched it for the first time (got Tiger Woods 09 this week without much time to play it, and was playing it when the convention ran last night). I was very impressed, but I already knew going into his speech who I planned on voting for. I'm more interested in hearing how the undecided people here felt about it, and whether that speech has any tangible impact upon how they may or may not vote come election time.

I'm more interested in hearing how the undecided people here felt about it, and whether that speech has any tangible impact upon how they may or may not vote come election time.


I think he did a great job of nudging those undecideds off the fence; but, as great an orator as he is, I also believe most undecideds will want to watch how the two campaigns are conducted in the run up to election day, and whether the candidates hold firm to their convention rhetoric.

I think he did a great job of nudging those undecideds off the fence; but, as great an orator as he is, I also believe most undecideds will want to watch how the two campaigns are conducted in the run up to election day, and whether the candidates hold firm to their convention rhetoric.


I agree, but those voters opinions are more valuable to me than some rah rah people from either side that have their minds made up (like myself).

Lol on a side notee Fandros, since you say not to use uber teenage slang like own, then went on to use weak sauce :P

I have 1 question. I have heard that Obama will cut taxes, which is fine, but will he reduce spending?
I don't mean just bringing the troops back from Iraq, whish is fine. I mean all of the out of control Government spending that has been the MO for Washington the past two decades or so.

I have 1 question. I have heard that Obama will cut taxes, which is fine, but will he reduce spending?
I don't mean just bringing the troops back from Iraq, whish is fine. I mean all of the out of control Government spending that has been the MO for Washington the past two decades or so.

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I have 1 question. I have heard that Obama will cut taxes, which is fine, but will he reduce spending?
I don't mean just bringing the troops back from Iraq, whish is fine. I mean all of the out of control Government spending that has been the MO for Washington the past two decades or so.

Did you watch the speech? He says in the speech he's going to go through the federal budget "line by line" to eliminate programs that don't work anymore and reform the ones that need it.

Rut ro, Dept of Agriculture and Dept of Education could be in trouble!

Rut ro, Dept of Agriculture and Dept of Education could be in trouble!


About time!


When we are taking tax dollars to subsidize Scottie Pippin of the Chicago Bulls, it is way past time to get serious with that crap.

When we are taking tax dollars to subsidize Scottie Pippin of the Chicago Bulls, it is way past time to get serious with that crap.

No kidding.

If they don't fix that in the next year or so, I'm definitely investing in some worthless farmland for the subsidy. Definitely a better investment right now than almost anything dollar based.

I haven't had the time, nore the inclination to watch the pomp and circumstance of DNC, nor will I watch the RNC. They are just "dog and pony shows" that I tend to dislike.

If he makes good on his promise to drop taxes and cut spending, then more power to him! Would be a damned sight better than the "conservatives" that are in play today.

This is great...good video.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/portrayal_of_obama_as_elitist