Wow..

He's back.

Last night in Virginia. He is totally going to win this state.

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skip to about 23:45. Best part.

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Thanks Sanchek, I r preciate it


But to expand a little bit. I havent seen the dude this fired up in a long time. And the way the speech was filmed at night, in a downpour. Just great.

I called Virginia going blue 2 years ago. So many young professionals are drawn to DC, but can't afford to live there so live in NOVA instead. We swung the "wrong way" for Webb and we'll do it again for Obama.

he is such a good speaker..i sat there smiling

Watched the entire speech, and was impressed. He is a good speaker, and if he can make good on what he promised he will bring some much needed change to the country.

Sorry, I don't drink the punch. He is still a politician all blow and no go. Whenever I hear him speak I feel like to get on board with this guy you have to be a sheep.

As opposed to being blind to the last 8 years to vote for the other guy.

Sorry, I don't drink the punch. He is still a politician all blow and no go. Whenever I hear him speak I feel like to get on board with this guy you have to be a sheep.

An informed sheep which has read all of his plans and watched his track record. You on the other hand have done NO research of your own into McCain's history OR watched what happened in the past 8 years. Thankfully, over 50% of the rest of the country isn't as negligent in their duty as you.

To stand there like that in the pouring rain and not bat eye and speak to the people who came to see you speak says something about the man.

To use a term like "drink the punch" tells me you do. and it's the same one thats been rammed down your throat since the early 90's and the advent of right wing radio. If you've actually been listening to the candidates youd know that Obama has not wavered on the basic message since the start of the campaing.
Sure he's tossed some cookies out there like domestic drilling could be on the table. he's admited the surge actually worked. but he has stayed commited to putting alternative energy first and GTFO of Iraq.
McCain on the other hand has pulled so many 180's I can't keep count anymore.

While both candidates may be pushing a form of "kool-aid" had to swallow alot of McCains flavor over the years. at least Obama's is a flavor i've never tried and is quite refreshing to a worn out palate.

It says 1 of 2 things:

Either he is really dedicated to his cause, and won't let a thing like a little water stop him from getting his message out, or he is really desprate and thought that canceling his speech would appear weak in the eyes of the people.

Remember there are two sides to every story, and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle....

An informed sheep which has read all of his plans and watched his track record. You on the other hand have done NO research of your own into McCain's history OR watched what happened in the past 8 years. Thankfully, over 50% of the rest of the country isn't as negligent in their duty as you.

Where does he say he supports McCain. How do you know Beelz hasn't done his research? The Beelziod I knew was a very thorough guy in all that he did. I think you are one of two things...

1) Drank too much punch so Obama can do no wrong ( i.e setting up for a big let down.
2) Don't know Beelz from Adam and are too quick to look to lynch.

Obama is nothing but the same hand we've been dealt for decades. He's never voted against his party and as such isn't an agent of change.

Don't get me wrong, he's the lesser of two evils but don't try to force the political diatrabe down everyones throat. Some of us are old enough to see Politicians for what they are. Upscale used care salesmen looking to trick folks for votes with no intention of keeping 50% of the promises made.

Talking point alert:

Obama is nothing but the same hand we've been dealt for decades. He's never voted against his party and as such isn't an agent of change.

As polarizing as the Bush administration has been, how else would you expect him to vote? Even McCain, who would like us to see him as a "Maverick", voted the NeoCon party line ~90% of the time.

Washington is not black/white and despite constant references to the logic of "but but Bush!!" ( which is funny because it flies out of the mouths of folks who defended Clinton during the "but but but Clinton" era) there are/were bills that could/would be considered bipartisian.

He voted the party line every time, every time. Now you can't do that and be an agent of change. Regardless of his reasons it's proof he's more of the same. Tho as I said he's still the lesser of two evils, I really wish a 3rd option had a real shot at winning ;(

Talking point alert:



As polarizing as the Bush administration has been, how else would you expect him to vote? Even McCain, who would like us to see him as a "Maverick", voted the NeoCon party line ~90% of the time.

Overgeneralization alert....

The subset of the republican party that is neocon does not encompass the entirety of said republican party. Don't lump them all together due to personal ire please.

I'd have agreed if you said he voted with his party 90% of the time but the attempt to color all republicans as neocons doesn't wash.

Do you think it's Taft-style conservative Republicans who've been voting for things like the Patriot Act?

The entire party has gone so far off track, many don't even recognize how pervasive the change is.

No but then again we fall back to black/white issues don't we?

I'm not a neocon, but I still consider myself a republican who's going to vote for the best option for his country.

We're not all so easily defined San, tho you seem to want to expect us all to adhere to that fallacy.

Always trying to make it about yourself...

Just as you plan to vote for the best of two candidates you don't prefer, they've both been voting on bills they don't necessarily love. That's their job.

In this era of the Patriot Act, rendition torture, and shredding the Constitution, the votes are increasingly black and white. Attempting to indict a Democrat for voting with his party, when the alternative is voting NeoCon, is missing the point by a mile.

(and is absolutely the kind of talking point you only see on Fox News and email forwards from friends and family living in the flyover states)

Attempting to indict a Democrat for voting with his party, when the alternative is voting NeoCon, is missing the point by a mile.


There is always a third choice....

The same people who whine about Obama not voting NeoCon also whine about the votes he's abstained from. So, no, he doesn't have a third choice to please those people.

Of course, that's all a smoke screen for those who've long since made up their minds and would never have voted for him anyway. I think we're seeing more of that in this election than ever before, for the obvious reason.

I suggest reading baracks books. They really give you a glimpse into the mans soul. Agree with him or not, a lot of your questions about him would be answered. One example: he is upset that we have become a country that only believes in"either/or".

Either no governent or big government. Either 46 million without healthcare or socialized healthcare. As if people are so ignorant as to believe there is no middle ground. Read the book, it is very informative on who Barack Obama is and what he believes.

It says 1 of 2 things:

Either he is really dedicated to his cause, and won't let a thing like a little water stop him from getting his message out, or he is really desprate and thought that canceling his speech would appear weak in the eyes of the people.

Remember there are two sides to every story, and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle....It's not about him standing in the rain giving a speech, it's about those who stood in the rain to hear it.

It's not about him standing in the rain giving a speech, it's about those who stood in the rain to hear it.

Hmm, in that case, 4 sides to the story....

Excellent point, Rover!

I am so disappointed that I was unable to attend the Obama rally I got invited too due to a prior obligation. I would have loved to have taken my daughter to see him speak much like one hears stories of youngsters that heard JFK speak.

It's not about him standing in the rain giving a speech, it's about those who stood in the rain to hear it.

quote of the year

Agree with Grey on this one; nice job of clarifying the point, Rover! :D

So...people not smart enough to go in out of the weather?


Kidding, kidding...