Omens of War might suck me back into playing again. Does anybody else plan on making a come back for OOW? It looks very good, and should actually help to make the game fun again. I really didn't enjoy GOD very much. I miss the velious and kunark days.

Nope.

<---- Not coming back for OoW :). Besides the raise in the level cap trivializing yet another huge hunk of the world into the dumpster, I just don't have the urge anymore. I'm cooling my heels in CoH and waiting for the 'next big thing' here...

Regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
Past Coercer - Autonomous Collective

I'm pretty much done with EQ myself, there's no way another 3-word expansion is bringing me back. I'd post one of those lame quit messages, but I think Drizzen is too scared of possible quotes!!

post them anyway

I'm bound to an agreement that doesn't let me. :/

what the hell do you owe drizzen? screw him!

I think it was the day they announced that Omens of War was coming out soon (like 2 weeks after GoD opened to boot) that I made my mind up that I was going to call it quits before I went overseas for 6 months starting in december. I was just sick of it and how right when I felt I was making a little progress, the rug would get pulled out from under me. Typically it was either having to do more "guild required" AA skills or gain more levels so I can perhaps see the new content in 2 real life years down the road, if I am lucky, trivalized by increased levels and AA skills and by who ever is leading the raid cribbing the spoilers off Safehouse to us. I might get to do "A" quest, as in ONE, do the most basic AAs, and maybe get 1-2 loots from the new world in the 10 months before its time to go on deployment again. FUCK THAT.

Expansions have failed to excite me since PoP came out, since they are not developed and released to keep the bulk of the community engaged. For the top dogs, its more stuff to keep them from quitting out of boredom. For anyone else way WAY down there on the totem pole, who actually wants to progress without selling ones E-soul to the local uberguild and not just cyb0r all night long, its further reminder that there is no light at the end of the tunnel yet and that there may never be. EQ was the first game I realized I could not complete, and I tend to like to think that I can follow the storylines until the triumphant end. EQ was also the first game where I threw away the software.

Been done for a long time now. Not going to come back. Ever. I'll try "the big two" coming up when I get a new machine. Like I said a million times, the one that lets a person who has about 5 - 10 hours a month to play and still have a good meaningful time will get my $$$$. Otherwise ohwell.

Damn, Lummus, you just continue to impress me today :). You hit the nail on the head as far as the reasons I quit...

It wasn't enough for me to just casually chat on the exp hamsterwheel (and LDoN really put that into perspective, didn't it? ;) ), and I couldn't give up my free will to an uberguild. When the small guilds and their polyglot parties were finished, so was I. Faervas took EQ off his hard drive yesterday; I sit there and look at it from time to time and contemplate whether I'm ready to do the same...

I don't begrudge my 3.5 years in EQ, but it no longer serves my demographic, so to speak, and so I'm saving up my pennies for something more suited to my temperment and playstyle (which is more time constrained than it used to be as I'm trying to make tenure and/or get out of Laredo :) ).

Regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
Past Coercer - Autonomous Collective

I think I'm done with EQ also, account expired a few days back, not likely to renew.

WoW looks good, I'll definately give that a shot and I'm hoping EQ2 has an open beta or a stress test that I can try, but right now, my allegiance is to Blizzard.

Why should I? SoE punished me for playing at my own pace. Everytime I get to a some point in the game where I can do something good for my character. the area gets nerfed because SoE is forcing player to buy the next expansion. I finally made it to Sol Ro tower the week before GoD came out and EXP and Drop rates were nerfed. that was when I decided I'm done With EXpansions and started looking for the NeXT MMOPRG.

Not True (for me anyways). Sol Ro exp even up to this week was great. I traveled many times to Sol Ro with a Necro/Shaman Duo and could kill non stop netting many AA's and plenty of ornate drops.

At least thats my experience. The bottom line is if your burnt and done with EQ your done..period.

OoW is fine *if* (big fuckin if) you have some friends/guildmates with common interests and common playtime whom you can grab and explore the less mainstream zones.

So check out the instances, check out the deeper more hidden corners but stay clear of Wall of Slaughter and Nobles Causeway (especially the zonelines and the path leading to the zonelines) because those are the 7th pit of hell.

i see posts about just quitting eq and taking it off computer and it bein hard , lmfao , Selor Gunn if any of you remember recently gave me his account but - lmfao HE FORGOT HIS PASSWORD lmfao he forgot the password to the game he's been playing for 4 years =P anyway im bored (5 minus rep points inc =/)

oh shit sorry bout my sig taking it down due to size and the neg rep i got for it being "retarded"

Yes it is retarded, have you considered suicide, sir?

As much as i want to come back, even to play casually, i got no toon, and no way in hell ima grind to 70 ;p

"At least thats my experience. The bottom line is if your burnt and done with EQ your done..period." Ibudin

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I agree with you whole heartly Ibudin.
People talk about the "big two" that are coming out are "so much better" than EQ and I can't agree with that. You will always find people will come and go in a game. I find that in EQ now.

I have known people that played EQ two years ago and have picked it up again. It is totally a different game than it was two years ago. So for them it is like picking up a new game. One does not have to be a hardcore gamer but one does have to allow themsevles to play in expansions that are not the most current and move thru them at their own pace.

Finding people that play at the same pace in the game makes the game more fulfilling in my book. I believe if people make good friends in game and then the friends leave for RL reasons and do not play as much as they do, it leaves game less enjoyable, unless they can be flexible and find making new friends to be fun. Many, I believe can say they have made friendships that would have never exsisted if it was not for this game. I know I can. There are still good memories in EQ being made. :)

Good luck to each and every one of you that have left or planning on to soon. I might see you in game another day, like I have many who were bored with game and now find it to be a new world. :)

It's so tempting!! :(




Maylen Bojangles

im not wasting my money on another expansion I wont play (ie LDoN and GoD)

you really outta check out other MMORPGs, you'd be surprised how all new jobs, environment, revamped graphics can make you quickly forget EQ. I remember installing FFXI the first day... a year ago.. now im still playing. World of Warcraft looks like alot of fun as well, its not nearly as rewarding to level as it was in FFXI to hit 75(takes a LONG time)

WoW > sliced bread.

obviously, one hasn't had the wonder of sliced bread, or he would know only oxygen beats sliced bread

Must you be a god damn retard in every thread :/

define retard by your standards

whats so damn awesome about sliced bread anyways

Nothing, its actually horrible compared to regular loafs of bread.
Sliced bread has a greater surface area to volumn ratio meaning that it will oxidize quicker. In other words, it will go stale. To prevent this, bread companies pump it full of all sorts of different chemicals -- which may not necessarily be unhealthy for you, they aren't healthy either. Additionally the chemicals take out a great deal of the bread taste. Your best bet is to buy a freshly baked loaf at the bakery in your supermarket, hand it to them and ask them to slice it for you -- or slice it yourself at home. Then you get the extra nutrients as well as none of the preservatives.
Ah Elton Brown, you have taught me so well.

As for Omens of War, I personally think its not that great. Sure it has shadows and water, but so does Worlds of Warcraft (which also has a better graphics engine) or EQ2 or many of the other games on the market. WoW really is remarkable, I can't believe how well its been put together thus far.

I am loving OoW. Grinding the extra levels was a challenge, but it came faster than I expected. Getting the spell runes was a challenge, but now that's coming faster than expected. Grinding the AA's is a breeze now and my next big challenge is getting good focus items and doing some epic encounters. I am also scoring some sweet drops. Hey... what else is there?!?!? It's all good!

Omens is a lot of fun. If you don't like it you simply are done with EQ anyways. WoW can't come soon enough for a lot of people including me to clear out the lag:p

Ibudin

The people in EQ have long been dead to me. The AOR briefly entertained me, but at the high end there seemed to be too many house wives and retired insurance salesmen and not enough gamers.

The people in EQ have long been dead to me. The AOR briefly entertained me, but at the high end there seemed to be too many house wives and retired insurance salesmen and not enough gamers.
/chuckle

Dat's a gud vun....

Folks at the high end got there by being gamers. Even if they wearied of hearing about yer finger pushing through the toiletpaper on a nightly basis, they are still gamers.

Fandros

Gonna give me 'anonymous' negative rep points again Fandros because I hurt your feelings?

I'd sit down with you so we could find out where all this agression you have for me comes from, but the reason I quit EW was because I was sick of logging on to group therapy sessions, so I'll guess you'll have to settle for seeing, "<<HUGS YOU!!!!>>" and "Davan likes sex with goats! hahahahaha!" because aparently that's so much funnier.

I never give anon rep points Zehn. ;)

I sign each and every one , errr least I think I do. I might give you unsigned tho when I'm drinking and know that you can see who posts what rep points.

I don't have aggression for ya old bean. Quite the contrary, I just didn't like the shot at EW in yer not so veiled shot. I might be old damn ya, but I'm surely no housewife nor a insurance salesmen. ;P

Fandros

Is this where I leap into your arms, the music swells up, the lights go down and we cut to commercial?

Dear Vhex:

Define gamer :)

I've been playing RPGs pretty heavily since before you were a glint in your father's eye, so to speak (1977 and D & D pre AD&D, and I have a first of the nearly unplayable Chivalry and Sorcery in my closet), but even people who choose gaming as their major recreational choice have to finish their education, hold down jobs, and pay their mortgages eventually (or one would hope). And I've known 'housewives and retired insurance salesmen' who are so hard-core (as far as gaming goes) as to scare me... :).

By 'gamer' do you mean '16-21 year old male who obsessively plays and talks about 1) games and 2) toilet humor to the exclusion of other life activities'? If so, the simple aging and diversification of the genre of MMORPGS (and eq in particular) has broadened the spectrum of people who play these games so much that the stereotype of 'gamer' as a tightly defined, tightly knit group of geek boys and girls just no longer holds water.

If that feels like a loss to you, I understand; I remember walking into the gaming conventions back in the early-mid 1980s and feeling a certain thrill at being surrounded with people like me (well, other than them all being guys ;) ), and the RPing, and jokes, came fast and furious... As the live RPG scene aged, it changed, becoming less well defined and much more commercial and mainstream (I hated when the cons were invaded/co-opted by comic books and card games and their incessant marketers); the same is happening with the virtual RPG scene. That feeling almost of being in a secret society, of camraderie, just isn't there anymore to a large extent.

(And in the old days, it really did feel like a secret society, I can remember the thrill when, having moved to Texas at 16, and feeling lonely and completely isolated, of first spotting fellow gamers illicitly rolling their dice in the lunchroom, going to introduce myself, and shyly showing my worn copy of the Monster Manual, at which point I, a complete stranger, was welcomed with open arms - I imagine folks whose experience has been only virtual have had comparable experiences).

Your niche is still out there, and being well-catered to - but online gaming isn't, nor will it ever be again, the exclusive province of those of us who are devoted adherents to the cult :). Get used to it, and accept the fact that one day, you too may end up on the 'Senior Gamers Tour'... and that some of those 'housewives and retired insurance salesman' aren't such bad people to get to know, either.

Warm regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
Past Coercer - Autonomous Collective

Is there like some old person creed where whenever someone older then you wants to point something out, they feel the need to mention that they are, in fact, older? Congratulations, you've managed to not die for longer then I have. I don't think your parents fucking 30 years earlier then mine is medal worthy.

Not only that, but what is up with assuming anyone under the age of 30 only likes toilet humor? For people who are supposed to be so eyes wide open and experienced, you old folks sure are some of the most narrow minded individuals when it comes to internet postings. 8(

You're just one step away from calling me a young whippersnapper. I'm not in the 16-21 demagraphic though, so, nyah nyah. Or wahtever.

Anyways.

It's hard to put into words what I'm trying to convey here because if you weren't part of the early days of CB, you'll just never really know. I'm sure on some deep, empathetic level I could probably connect with a few people if we had enough beers and there were midgits present, but I'll try my best.

I guess simply put it's like, which would you rather do...read bash.org for a couple hours every night or read a forum on the effects of menopause? It's a natural state that eventually comes...but when you log on and people are having a SERIOUS conversation about what types of decorative soap best match wooden baskets...

In retrospect, (I think in my next short story, Vhex's arch-enemy is going to be the time traveling Dr. Hynd Cite from the year 2020) I guess 'housewives and insurance salesmen' can be taken way too literally. What I should have said was, "Way too many people who don't get Office Space, not enough that think it's the greatest movie ever made."

Is there like some old person creed where whenever someone older then you wants to point something out, they feel the need to mention that they are, in fact, older? Congratulations, you've managed to not die for longer then I have. I don't think your parents fucking 30 years earlier then mine is medal worthy.

I love this stereotype :( In games nowadays, it makes no difference. For example, my father isn't going to come around and tell me, "You don't know shit about programming, because you didn't program with punch cards." OOP, classes are lost on him. Gamers nowadays are not what they are back in your days of glory.

Here's a cliché for you... grow up.

What Chex is referring to, is how in a guild in EQ you'd have about 24 dedicated very hardcore people who held the guild together and pushed them forward. Those people are what he misses, not the flab that exists nowadays.

I'm commandeering your cable tonight btw. I have a list of like 12 movies and I fully intend to get every episode of Briscoe County Jr. Plus, my Paula Cole collection needs updating.

I don't want to wait...for our lives to be over!

Oh, and you fucks can stop giving me negative rep points now btw. So touchy. 8(

Not to mention that you actually know who they are probably :/ Incoming flood of positive, "OMG SORRY" rep points.

In any high end, errr let's rephrase that, End game guild there are always a core of folks. That core , after say 4+ years, mutates with folks coming into and out of the core.

Today's endgame guilds are no different. Now mind you I only know the dynamics of EW but it's as stable as a guild has ever been on this server.

We've had our core, it's changed and grew and shrank and mutated , but guess what? EW is still the endgame guild of the server.

Don't label by your own experiences and the rumors you hear. OoW is a good expansion, still testing the limits of folks abilities to work together.

Those that manage that continue to see new content quickly. Those that don't enjoy the game at their own pace. Nothing wrong with either subset...

Fandros

Dear Fazin:

You're completely missing the point of my post, and I do understand what Vhex was getting at. I included my age and past experience not to lord it over anyone (indeed, age has very little to do with whom I choose to associate with or game with), but as the basis for making a perspective comparison. I did so in order to point out that what is happening now in online mmorpgs is not much different than what happened in the live RPG scene 20 years ago, when those games began to reach a much wider audience - people who were gaming 'purists' began to find themselves squeezed out by costume and anime freaks, comic book collectors and card players, and others who did not appreciate hours and hours spent resolving a Napoleonic miniatures competition, a D & D tournament, or even the midnight Nuclear War games where we would drink incredible amounts of beer and construct 'Strategic Glass Initiatives' out of our empty beer bottles. As the dynamic of gaming changed due to its own popularity (commercialization, marketing, and a desire for profit also played a role of course), we began to feel unwelcome in the very house that we had created, if you get my drift.

When I played live RPGs, and in my time in EQ, I too preferred the 'intimate, but intense' game; it's one of the reasons my guild in EQ never exceeded 24 members. When you're small, everyone counts; there *is* no such thing as dead weight. I could regale you with stories of how we (AC/CoFE) took on HoT on our first trip with 17 people with an average level of 56, and with only me (53 enchanter) and my fabulous C1 for brain buffs (we stayed there four hours, wiped 3 times, and killed four mobs, but it was glorious :) ), but such stories tend to be highly personal and as you and Vhex have both said, fairly meaningless to those who weren't there.

Like pen and paper RPG playing, the MMORPG world is changing as a result of its own success. This doesn't mean that it isn't possible to find folks who share your own mindset, it's just that such people aren't the only game in town now - you'll have to look a little harder for them, but if nothing else, EQ has convinced me what a powerful tool MMORPGS are for bringing people together and creating meaningful experiences. I think that SoE's plan to make guilds, and raid encounters, in EQ2 designed around smaller groups should actually help, not hinder, people in finding a 'good fit' for their personality and goals - and from what I have heard, WoW is very immersive and fast paced and is drawing raves from intense gamers. Somehow I think that Vhex will be able to find what he desires out there somewhere...

You can't go home again, but there's something to be said for creating new homes.

Regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
aka
'Esoteric' Epistasis
34 Gravity/Kinetics controller
The Autonomous Champions of Order (T.A.C.O.)
City of Heroes - Guardian

I give you the Dork Towers on the very same subject:


The thread starts here: http://archive.gamespy.com/comics/dorktower/archive.asp?nextform=viewcomic&id=895

And the one I found most funny is here:

http://archive.gamespy.com/comics/dorktower/archive.asp?nextform=viewcomic&id=897