Check out the lyrics to this song.
Both disturbing and encouraging.

Its full of massive amounts of misinformation, but id rather see this kind of rap than "bitches and money" Anyway.. its provided 2 days of extremely good discussion in a very low level class that has been pretty awesome.


Artist: Immortal Technique f/ Mos Def
Album: Bin Laden 12"
Song: Bin Laden

Lyrics :

[Mos Def - talking]
Man, you hear this bullshiat they be talkin'
Every day, man
It's like these motherfuckers is just like professional liars
YouknowwhatI'msayin? It's wild
Listen

[Hook - Mos Def]
Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga

Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]

[Verse 1 - Immortal Technique]
I pledge no allegiance, nigga fuck the president's speeches
I'm baptized by America and covered in leeches
The dirty water that bleaches your soul and your facial features
Drownin' you in propaganda that they spit through the speakers
And if you speak about the evil that the government does
The Patriot Act'll track you to the type of your blood
They try to frame you, and say you was tryna sell drugs
And throw a federal indictment on niggaz to show you love
This shit is run by fake Christians, fake politicians
Look at they mansions, then look at the conditions you live in
All they talk about is terrorism on television
They tell you to listen, but they don't really tell you they mission
They funded Al-Qaeda, and now they blame the Muslim religion
Even though Bin Laden, was a CIA tactician
They gave him billions of dollars, and they funded his purpose
Fahrenheit 9/11, that's just scratchin' the surface

[Hook - Mos Def]
Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga

Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]

[Verse 2 - Immortal Technique]
They say the rebels in Iraq still fight for Saddam
But that's bullshit, I'll show you why it's totally wrong
Cuz if another country invaded the hood tonight
It'd be warfare through Harlem, and Washington Heights
I wouldn't be fightin' for Bush or White America's dream
I'd be fightin' for my people's survival and self-esteem
I wouldn't fight for racist churches from the south, my nigga
I'd be fightin' to keep the occupation out, my nigga
You ever clock someone who talk shit, or look at you wrong?
Imagine if they shot at you, and was rapin' your moms
And of course Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons
We sold him that shit, after Ronald Reagan's election
Mercenary contractors fightin' a new era
Corporate military bankin' off the war on terror
They controllin' the ghetto, with the failed attack
Tryna distract the fact that they engineerin' the crack
So I'm strapped like Lee Malvo holdin' a sniper rifle
These bullets'll touch your kids, and I don't mean like Michael
Your body be sent to the morgue, stripped down and recycled
I fire on house niggaz that support you and like you
Cuz innocent people get murdered in the struggle daily
And poor people never get shiat and struggle daily
This ain't no alien conspiracy theory, this shit is real
Written on the dollar underneath the Masonic seal

(I don't rap for dead presidents
I'd rather see the president dead
It's never been said but I set precedents)--[Eminem]

[Hook - Mos Def]
Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga

Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]

(Shady Records was 80 seconds away from the towers
Some cowards fucked with the wrong building, they meant to hit ours)-- [Eminem]

Sometimes the path to learning starts from a place like this. I guess its like Platos Cave Analogy where you have to start from the darkness in order to get to the light.

Hey.. its a start.

Any comments on this song (I know how inaccurate the ideas in it are.) What does this say about our youth today? Anything?

PS.
GWB hates black people.

He sure made a good Ford Prefect in the movie. And the scene in Chappel Show where Dave and Mos Def were rapping was awesome. That being said ... there's something dangerous with our "idols" or folks we look up to spreading misinformation which is just as dangerous as George Bush's misinformation.

Ok Thormir, ready to concede at least 0.002% yet ?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/06/D8JB452G0.html

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/31/91642/9872

Thanks for reminding me of why I consider this music venue nothing more than a huge "make fools of" of the white suburbanite kids.

I still get cracked up everytime I see these young junior and high school kids wearing their hats backwards and pants falling around their knees mouthing the words to the latest rap/hip-hop song praising crime and putting down women and white folks and thinking they are being so cool.

If these are the future of our country, I am glad my time is growing shorter.

Future minimum wage paternity defendants, maybe.

There was a comedian a few years called Tim Rhodes. Part of his routine was he was excited the new rap CD he had been waiting for had come out, so he raced down to the store, bought it, and put it in his CD player to listen to it.
He was like the lyrics were like, "Kill whitey, Down with whitey."
He starts looking at his arms saying, "Oh, no, that's ME they're talking about!"

I used to like Ice Cube in the early 90s. Then he came out with an album called Death Certificate where he goes and kills Dr. Whitey. I don't think I've even listened to his prior albums more than twice since. I won't listen to white power music, and I won't listen to kill whitey music. Both are hate speech, one is just commercially acceptable because it attacks whites.

Hate speech is hate speech, regardless of who it targets. None of it should be acceptable. The double standards of hate speech is one of the many reasons this nation is divided so much anymore. The nation isn't simply divided amongst party lines. It's divided amongst racial lines. It's divided amongst economic lines. When will people ever learn that words are just as damaging as any physical action?

That subculture is just ripe to be mentally abused and emotionally controlled by the Iman's of the future.

Such a culture that continues to make victims of themselves and all parts of itself deserve the pain they sew.

Fandros

Thanks for reminding me of why I consider this music venue nothing more than a huge "make fools of" of the white suburbanite kids.

I still get cracked up everytime I see these young junior and high school kids wearing their hats backwards and pants falling around their knees mouthing the words to the latest rap/hip-hop song praising crime and putting down women and white folks and thinking they are being so cool.

If these are the future of our country, I am glad my time is growing shorter.


Could you elaborate further? Cause it seems you have stereotyped an entire genre of music and are showing some of the same ignorance you elude to the backword hat wearing kids have.

I agree with Taleran, i don't like rap that preeches hate, but I do like other rap/hip-hop that is. You almost have to take it on a song by song basis. Keep your head up, by Tupac, for example, while he has some songs i wouldnt like, that song in particular has a good message.

Hate speech is hate speech, regardless of who it targets. None of it should be acceptable. The double standards of hate speech is one of the many reasons this nation is divided so much anymore.

Yeah, I notice that the word "nigga" is used no less than 25 times in that song.
I wonder how well I would fare if I walked up to someone of "African/Afro-American" descent and called them "nigga" 25 times.
I'm thinkin I'd at the very least get a civil-rights lawsuit against me, if I didn't get my ass beat first.

Could you elaborate further? Cause it seems you have stereotyped an entire genre of music and are showing some of the same ignorance you elude to the backword hat wearing kids have.




If By is displaying ignorance here, then I am with him.. because I agree with what he said. I have to admit I do not see many instances where they relate the Beetles, Patsy Cline or even Mudvyne to drive-by shootings and gang violence. When you have a genre of music that is represented by 9mm's and gold capped teeth, what do you expect. If anyone has spent time in jail.. that is even better...

And if you've been shot in a drive by, it helps you sell 5 million + albums.

A former student of mine put it this way, " you cant spell crap without rap" and that rap means "retards attempting poetry".

Rev

Could you elaborate further? Cause it seems you have stereotyped an entire genre of music and are showing some of the same ignorance you elude to the backword hat wearing kids have.

I agree with Taleran, i don't like rap that preeches hate, but I do like other rap/hip-hop that is. You almost have to take it on a song by song basis. Keep your head up, by Tupac, for example, while he has some songs i wouldnt like, that song in particular has a good message.

Note, I said "the kids I see". I have not seen you, so cannot speculate if you have fallen for this huge "make fools of" that is taking place. I used to have fun with my son, when he would turn on a rap song and tell me how cool it ws, and I would then direct him to the original artist and song that was being sampled. There is extremely little that is original in any of the rap I have heard. It is simply a venue that allows the kids these days to do the same thing we were doing in my era by wearing bangs and letting our hair grow like the Beatles; i.e. REBEL against the folks and authority.

The big difference is that this venue is predominantly hate-oriented. It puts down women, whitey, etc., and glorifies criminal behavior. The resulting culture is typified by what occurred in Minneapolis last week, of a 17 year old black kid shooting to death a 15 year old black kid, simply because he wanted the kids jersey, so he could wear somethijng "fresh" to a party that night. And the little idiot white suburbanite kids that are trying to emulate the urban "gangsta" so hard are going down the same path, as we are seeing more violence and weapons found in the suburban and rural schools all the time.

Call me ignorant for stereotyping, that is fine by me. I have lived through several generations now and have watched these events unfold several times now, from my own acts of stupidity through my children's and now grandchildren, and our friends and their friends and so on and so on.

I will make an exception for Toneloc, as I did like Funky Colmadina, or however it is spelled. But for the overall majority of the rap genre, it is unoriginal, hateful, and of no use other than providing an avenue to rebel.

Funky Cold Medina was Tone Loc

Funky Cold Medina was Tone Loc

Yeah, just booted it up on the other pute to listen to and saw that, and editted my post accordingly.

Thanks.

Will Smith is another exception.

However the subculture I refer to is the gangsta rap bullshit version of rap. It has zip for value other than forcing the black man into a further version of self induced mental slavery.

Fandros Finglaflin

It has zip for value other than forcing the black man into a further version of self induced mental slavery.



But does it have a Michael Jordan "jump" symbol on the side of it?
If it does, then it's phat.....

Ok Thormir, ready to concede at least 0.002% yet ?

What, from ~300,000 to ~600,000 on the basis of a couple links? Based on the first, are you now ready to agree with L2 (from his link to Free Republic) that the same people who dreaded what they saw as a powergrab by Clinton now support Bush/Gonzales' unitary Executive power acquisition?

The second link is an article about a couple professors we've read about here before. We're not even up to "UFOs are 4 real!" and Scientology numbers yet. Besides, wasn't the point you're trying to prove that a considerable number of people believe we deserved the 9/11 attacks, not believing conspiracy theories about them?

Besides, wasn't the point you're trying to prove that a considerable number of people believe we deserved the 9/11 attacks, not believing conspiracy theories about them? you dished out the % before I even made a point :p

Well when you have a point get back to me.:rolleyes: