i come and go from EQ all the time as some of you know, im in for a few months, out for a few... but this most recent comeback of mine has opened my eyes to inflating prices that are out of this world in the bazaar... personally i have never liked the bazaar, i miss the days of EC tunnel, when you had to work for stuff, and bargaining/haggeling was an option... but you have to accept change i guess, but the huge price jumps in bazaar as of recently are something i dont want to welcome open hearted... so please, read this, and pass it on... i found it very informative... i had contemplated buying some plat myself, but forget it, im just going back to the old school methods...
taken from Allakhazam's msg boards at
everquest.allakhazam.com/...1677&num=0 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=1&mid=1075435996761751677&num=0)

I saw this on the safehouse. It says what I was trying to say earlier, but far better than I put it. I'll post it below, but here's the link as well:

pub146.ezboard.com/fthesa...9404.topic (http://pub146.ezboard.com/fthesafehouseloungegeneraldiscussion.showMessage?t opicID=29404.topic)

Here's the post by Jinex22:

You might someone's post awhile back explaining that there were dupes inflating bazaar prices in the game.

You might remember that shortly after this, SOE patched and posted they were working actively on fixing the problems.

You might remember that after this, things seemed to stabilize for awhile. Prices in the bazaar started to become more reasonable so that players could actually begin to buy some toys without being forced to buy duplicated or exploited platinum from @#%$ or exploiting it themselves. I mean, let's be serious here. 150,000 platinum or more for ornate armors? A normal player will never be able to afford that. 500,000 Platinum or more for a white dragon helm? Same problem.


Now, you may have noticed that again, prices are increasing in the bazaar to insane levels. Ornate is again up there at 150,000 + for the pieces that anyone wants. The cool items are again running way too high on the pricing end.


Enter in two new issues. I will not explain details of where or how to get anything in this post. I will explain the problem, though.


Number one, as most know that have read other various posts on the issue and online news sites. IGE and My supersales have merged. Each side used to combat eachother on platinum prices for real world money. Each side's main opponent was the other. Now, they have no competition, and thus the only hurdle is how to control the platinum market.


Platinum for real life sales is controlled by supply and demand like any other market. Supply here is simple. IGE and My supersales has a dedicated team of professionals specifically employed to hack, crack, cheat, dupe and macro. Basically their job is to find any and all ways to get excessive amounts of platinum easily or for free using loopholes or bugs in the game. These are paid individuals hired specifically to, in essence, cheat YOU.

Look at My supersales offering level 1 to 65 and 300 AA in 24 hours some time ago. They yanked this when customer accounts were getting banned and people were issuing complaints when their $1500 purchase was deleted overnight, and sometimes their main characters as well if registered on the same credit card. Remember the post by SOE and the patch that fixed this?

Look at My supersales listing up billions of platinum on every server while simultaneously refusing to buy platinum from anyone. Remember the post by SOE and the patch that fixed this?

It has reached that point again. The prices IGE and My supersales pay for platinum is extremely low, and they say they are "full" when you try to sell to them in quantity.


They have an unlimited supply line. Dupe or macro or exploit or whatever, that platinum they have is "free."

There was rumor posted by another individual here, saying that my supersales had received thousands of free EQ accounts through Ubisoft. They give out free trial accounts to any email address. Yahoo, hotmail, etc. When the last dupe was in they banked millions on every account and let them expire. When SOE banned off the exploited platinum, these expired accounts were not checked, and now when platinum is needed they are renewed for $15 and the plat is pulled from them for use or sale.

Because whatever plat they get, and how they get it is free, they can price it extremely low. Low enough to push out remaining competition for them, unless that competition has access to the same exploits.

But there's a problem. People only need so much platinum. Now, it does no good for IGE or My supersales if their plat is priced extremely low so people can buy alot cheaply, because that just means the customer will be able to buy all the stuff they want faster.

So they need:

More customers.

or

In game inflation on items.


More customers is way too hard to control. But in game inflation, for an entity with access to ulimited free currency, is very very EASY to control.

So, number two,

There is a program out there currently that does the following:


You set up a character in the bazaar and set price points for items you want to buy. So... I want to buy all white dragon helms that are up for 300k or less.

I set this program to white dragon helms for 300k or less and when someone puts one up for sale for, say, 275k, it warps right to the vendor, buys the item, and continues searching. The program runs 100% free of human interaction, so all that is needed is one person to restock the plat on the characters when it becomes low (it will even make the PC beep when it is low).


You can set it to search for anything. You can make a list of 5,000 things and it will search for them.

What happens is any item they put in this program fixes the price at whatever they put it at. Since within SECONDS it will buy anything put up for less than their fixed price.

---HERE YOU HAVE INFLATION 100% CONTROLLED BY THE PEOPLE WITH ACESS TO THIS PROGRAM AND ACESS TO THE UNLIMITED PLATINUM---

The program exists. EQecon.com uses a similar one to find all server prices for their site. You can't get the program from them. I merely list it here for an example of a legit site that uses the basicsof the program for non detrimental means to prove it exists. And I know IGE and My supersales will have people come here and post up that all this inflation is due to Lost Dungeons of Norrath. Please, the playerbase is far more intelligent than that.


If they have unlimited plat, and this program, why don't they just buy ALL high level items that show up in the bazaar? Items are a hard sell and platinum is an easy sell. Price fixing causes people to NEED more platinum, increasing their sales. If they bought up all high level items there would be no need for people to buy platinum from them, as people would have nothing to spend it on. It would also make it glaringly obvious, and they get enough bad attention, and likely do not want more or do not want this thing getting nerfed.

Why do they only control the high end prices? Simple, that is what people buy plat from them to buy in game. People don't buy 500,000 platinum from them to go in and buy a bunch of 2,000 plat value items. They want the things that are 100,000 +. They are, to put it bluntly, screwing people who do not buy plat from them, but ALSO screwing people who do buy plat from them, forcing them to buy more and more.

The end result here, is total control by IGE and My supersales on the in game economy. TOTAL. And it will continue until it is stopped. The prices on in game items will keep going up a little bit at a time as they artificially raise. In the last couple of weeks ornate and other high end prices have gone up 80% or so. Expect more of the same as long as this is allowed to go on.

Your game, your enjoyment, your fun, is being controlled by these individuals. At the moment the in game economy is controlled more by them than by all the players and SOE combined.

It is possible SOE does not even know about this. Or if they do they are not doing anything about it because the players do not know and are not complaining.

Now you know. If you do not care, that's fine. If you do care, tell a friend and tell the makers of Everquest you want this stuff fixed.

Would someone mind summarizing that into a few sentences that I don't have to hit my little scrolly wheel 12 times to clear?

Lemme try Dart... @#%$ (My Super Sales) and IGE are buying up all the expensive items in the bazaar, and then upping the prices, which makes the rest of us need their services more so we can afford in game items... they have basically taken over the entire EQ economy to bend it to their liking... if you dont buy plat from them you are fucked, if you do buy plat from them, you are fucked, cause you have to buy more to afford anything in game.

Thats such a dumb theory.

There are WAY too many variables to make something like that successful. Lets use White Dragon Helms as an example.

1) Macro programs cannot send a tell to someone auctioning an item in bazaar chat channel. Considering that most high end items are sold in bazaar chat channel or on server boards, you cannot totally dictate an item's price via buying everything under a certain cut off.

2) That's fucking risky too. Suppose something were to happen that doesnt let helms be resold after being cycled once. Now you have 3 mules full of White Dragon Helms, that half as many people want to buy because you can't turn them in for FT 2 boots.

Personally, I think this macroing problem is being overblown. No one noticed the effect LDON had on the economy. Pre-LDON, you had a steady amount of rare items, from BoT, elemental tradeskills, ornate, and from high level groups doing single group cash targets (ex Zlandicar, Ring of Slime, SolRo for ornate. I could name more). Then, LDON created this "points" phenomena, and SolRo and elementals cleared out quickly. The last few months have seen people return to these zones, partly due to AOR, but also because they're sick of LDON and the 40 hp augs that take 30 wins.

I do think there is macroing going on. I'm not blind to that. I just think that you're blaming it for way too much. Prices HAVE been dropping the last month or so - because they banned macroers? Doubtful. No, because people are going back to those farm zones.

Macroing for plat is no good for Everquest; I personally see no problems with macros, but that's another story for another time. The fix is pretty fucking simple in my mind. Just go through all the tradeskill recipes (iirc, it was an ore-transformation that was making all that macro money), and make the difference between the final sale price and component cost 1-2pp.

@#%$ and co. have fucked the economy, but so did LDON. If anything, the biggest problem is the vacant loot zones. When was the last time BOT had over 30 people? As such, the supply of 30-50k items has decreased, creating scarcities (Ornate is by far the best example; 6 months ago, I fully equipped a druid in ornate for roughly 250k).

If more people hunted BoT or SolRo, or even the lower tier POP zones or CT, the economy wouldn't be anywhere near this inflated.

It's not that I don't have any sympathy for folks who use the bazaar's plight (and believe me, there's no love lost for the bottomfeeding scum you've referenced in your tirade), but folks *do* have another option - Don't buy platinum. If you want something badly enough, camp it, find some friends to help you camp it, or deal directly with folks who have the capacity to gain those items. As far as the 'artificial inflation' taking place in the bazaar goes...

No-one is forcing anyone to buy (or sell) gear in the bazaar. It does suck that there are folks out there whose desire to make a real buck from a vitual one extends to writing and using programs to automate 'rigging the markets', but if folks refuse to support those prices, they *will* drop.

Regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
Autonomous Collective

I definitly agree with all points being said, but I just thought this was a point that deserved some light on our server forum, in hopes of deturring (spelling) people from buying plat from these online sites... it would be nice to have a clean economy... and I do agree with the LDoN point, and hopefully people will start cmping more of the PoP and other items again, and prices will drop...

yah! dont buy from them! buy from other suppliers!

I hear buyza's plat smells of pine and is considered a delacasy in france !

its also not as if LDoN hasnt introduced items into the market.. Golden wraps of the compact, geomancers slippers, LSoY, Ykeshan bow.. and tons more per theme

The problem is, most of the hard LDON stuff started appearing within the last few months - that's partly the reason prices are stabilizing.

Before that, all it was was ID IV belts and the sorry-ass proc orbs. That won't do shit for plat inflation.

I got in early and got some hot cash ~

But perhaps its stabilizing because the prices have reaches the intended targets of the hackers, shrug.

my plat owns you...but here is what I think happened, god knows I have no idea on this topic but I will give it a shot.

So a few months back there was a way to macro in PoK at a 89pp 5g return. So of course many people would macro 24/7 and at massive rates, the average daily income was around 500k per character. Now when you have even 100 people knowing about this of course they are going to 11 box every comp they have on every server to make countless amounts of plat. Of course sony loves ball sack on their chin and either had no idea or was to lazy to fix it.

Anyways, these dupers had so much plat they were making it faster than they could sell. Soooo they started selling it like crazy to supersales.gay at ridiculously cheap prices. Now supersales has always overpriced his plat because of his name and all his expenses, but now with expenses equivalent to paying Malaysian children for labor he could drop prices like crazy.

Now once supersales started selling stacks of 1 million plat at 75% cheaper than everyone else, every newbie and uber character alike bought it thinking they found the deal of a lifetime. That is where the problem lies. What happens when you get 10,000 newbies with a 5000 item long wish list and 10 million platinum? HELLO SKY ROCKET PRICES! When everyone noticed all their items were being bought up like hotcakes in bazaar mode when they woke up they jacked up the prices and kept on raising them until they felt they could not make any more.

Now on top of that, you also had massive account banning which caused many players to lose high end items making them more rare, mix in the fact that most people tried hording their items as the market kept rising to hopefully get 1 million plat for that fungi tunic, and you have one fucked up market.

Well hope that made sense and seems logical at all, thats just how I see it at least. I am on a double dosage of nyquil right now though, soooo shit might seem weird.

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People look way too much at the supply end of the spectrum, and not enough at the demand. Yes, more plat was on the market, but what good is 1000k if you cant buy anything? the scarcity of items for the last 6 months has basically caused this inflation or whatever you want to call it.

Personally I find the economy is a bit more favorable right now. Getting cash is easier than ever now, heh, you could probably turn 100k alone a day from tactics stampedes. Inflation isn't always a bad thing.

OK, used to be Beo... your point about 'risky' buying would be valid if the coin used to buy things had value or cost. When you have billions of plat from exploits that cost you next to nothing to use, there is NO 'risk' involved in buying things. Not an attack on you, bud, but on your opinion.

Dfrac

You're wrong.

Plat does have value. Right now, it's value is roughly 99.95 for 100k.

Let's assume you can sell every 100k you get for 99.95. If you spend half of your plat on an item you hope to sell later for a profit, that's a risk. I don't care how much plat you have - if you divert from something thats guaranteed to make money in order to have a chance at making more money, well, thats a risk. If you make money off the White Dragon Helms, great. Your risk paid off. If you don't? Well, thats 300k you could have sold for 300 dollars.

It doesn't matter how you come across it. Once you have it, plat has a defined value.

some guy ran up to me in bazaar, put 243k in my trade screen and said 150 bucks, i started laughing and he ran away...

quick! which way did he go?!

so items cost more,there also selling for more too.

i think the overall general point of this post is to raise some awareness that @#%$.com and ige are trying to control our economy... people need to stop giving these people business in real life... its ruining the game... plat sales i think can be fine, but not when it becomes a multi million dollar corporation... now the game is turning into a business, not a game...

What you're describing is called 'inflation'. When the value of currency drops relative to the value of the goods it can purchase. And one of the characteristics of inflation is that it devalues savings.

Now, if you had to guess, what single agency do you think has the greatest amount of saved plat? I'd guess IGE/@#%$ myself.

So by attempting to manipulate the economy in this manner, IGE/@#%$ would be de-valuing their own plat holdings.

Moreover, because IGE/@#%$ cannot control the value of real-world dollars, an inflationary cycle within the game forces them to offer more plat per dollar. If it costs a billion plat for a single piece of ornate, they can't sell 100k plat for $200. They have to sell a billion plat for $200. Pretty soon, they'd run out of plat.

In terms of the people within the game, I'm not sure it even matters all that much. No one is out there slaughtering hill giants endlessly to save up for that Ornate BP mold. If you're looking to buy high priced items, you go out and camp another high priced item, sell it, and then buy the one you want. And there is no way IGE/@#%$ can 'price fix' it so that only IGE/@#%$ items sell at a high value, but your items sell for chump change.

There is also the traditional bane of price-fixing to consider: the black market. People /auction in PoK all the time, sell drops they've won to groupmates, and so forth. Most guilds have essentially communist systems for the distribution of goods. This all serves to create a baseline of value uncontrollable by IGE/@#%$. If they buy an item and re-price it too far above this baseline, they end up with a piece of gear that simply rots on a merchant somewhere. Dead inventory like this costs them money- it's an investment (ultimately translating into real world dollars) that is sitting around not gaining them any money.

I understand that IGE/@#%$ is the bane of all that's good, and they probably kick puppies in their spare time, but at least give them credit for being semi-intelligent businessmen.

I don't know if this has been said previously or not, but....

If I dupped billions of plat and was selling it, how else can I corner the market? I would buy up all of the high end items and put them at outragous prices in the bazaar or put them up on P.A. at higher prices. Now you have the best of both worlds.

Buy my plat on P.A. then turn around and buy my over inflated items in game.

Or you want that Flayed Barbarian Mask that isn't for sale anywhere? Come over to P.A. and purchase it from me, because I bought all the good shit up already and the only chance that you have to purchase it is to give me $250. RL dollars.

That is just a thought on how I would do it.

Gnore

besides macroers i think the fact that not many new guilds advance and kill targets like AoW etc screw the economy. He is up often but EP guilds have no need to kill him and there are no lower guilds who would kill him. Thus a LOT of items dont get sold anymore. i try to buy his mask for weeks...IF some1 is willing to sell his because he doesnt need anymore or its rotting they ask 200k for it. Same happened in Ultima Online when it was about to die. EQ right now is ontop of its performance, maybe already going down slowly.
Go to sebilis, 99% of the time king is not camped, and fungi tunic was and still is one of the items with a stable price over the last 2 years. its always been 45 to 50 k, but i notice its up to 60 / 65k now.

we just need more low guilds, but i guess no1 would sign up for EQ theese days when WoW or EQ2 are commin up.

Platinum Wipe

That will cure all of this.

I just say revise the Blackburrow loot table and give b-n faction hits for killing the PoD again.

Seriously though, there's some solid points made here but regardless MMORPG have established new business models that professors are even talking about at the university and graduate level courses.

It's funny as hell to sit in grad class and here one of my Prof's talking about E business, EQ sales, and virtual-intellectual property exchanges.

Whether or not Beo's point of Demand-based input components are the most important to consider or the supply-side components are more important...they together go hand in hand.

We cannot dismiss the fact that the EQ virtual economy has existed for well over 4 years now. I do not think that SOE/VI ever predicted the lifespan of the game to reach to the point that it has now. Initially SOE would have preferred EQ 2 to be out and that we would be discussing how Beowuulf stole my EQ2 spawn and PvP'd me for a dirty jock strap but the fact remains that the game has more than likely surpassed upper management's expectations.

But because EQ1 still continues to rope a player base even with the so called "EQ-Slayers", their business model and plan for EQ1 hasn't ever successfully implemented an economic plan to counteract variables such as platinum duping and ongoing game, character, and player development.

If they had, they would've been able to predict the continuous amounts of grey-area exploits such as someone's keen ability to configure macros or to employ variables of an anomalistic nature and develop successful control mechanisms to combat such actions. However looking from the other side, I would be naive and unfair to say that every game developer is perfect and so knowlegdeable that all of what we've experienced was really ever taken into careful consideration.

Heck, I would've predicted this game to blow up after Quarmm was defeated and the credits would begin to scroll nintendo-like on everyone's screen playing at the time.

All in all, I can say it seems to me that it's pretty much the same business plan that has existed from the beginning with minor tweaking due to player-based input and feedback.

Remedies?: I really can't provide one. Hack it out for a bit more and maybe (hopefully) other MMORPG's can learn from EQ and provide a more enjoyable game atmosphere than what EQ provided. SOE can aleviate short-term and intermediate economic conditions for a virtual economy, but to me it all boils down to how long will it really matter to them especially when they roll out the sequel or the next expansion.

Honestly, until they employ some economic guru like Greenspan, only 60 years or more younger with a knowledgeable understanding of the virtual MMORPG economic-mechanics, I wouldn't bet on EQ1 reaching economic nirvana or even maybe EQ2 anytime soon. You're safer bet would be on getting struck by lightning while playing naked lazer tag.

Kudos on a business-nerdy-like yet-seriously-interesting-thread though (no sarcasm for real)


Talbayne

Oh and by no means do these problems mean that EQ1 blows or that EQ2 will suck. Most importantly this is one of the more interesting threads in the last several months that I have read.

I've had a blast playing for all these years regardless of the bumps in the game. I mean, how many people can honestly say they've hung Gokuu by his tidy-whities on a treant's branch in North Karana.

This reminds me of the problem Ford used to have with their Aerostars. Criminals would steal the rear bench seats. Insurance didn't want to pay for a bench seat from Ford so they bought them where they could find them. Typically the place they bought them from "cheap" were the places that the thieves sold them to.

So, basically, the "thieves" (plat dupers/macroers) are stealing the "bench seat" (plat). This makes the "insurance company" (you) go looking for the best way to "replace your seat" (buy new uber stuff). You opt for the "cheap way out" (buy some plat) and now you have your new seat (uber item).

By buying plat from these folks, you support the people who are causing the prices to go astronomically higher. The part that's broken here is that people can macro bots that can warp to a vendor's location and buy any item that drops below a certain price. If this is true, then the system will remain broken until Sony fixes it. With "free" plat and an automatic system of auto-buying high priced items that go below a certain price, you can price fix the entire system. I say don't support the folks that do this and don't use the Bazaar system to sell your ornate stuff unless you think you can truly get that 500k for a breastplate on your vendor.

wtf talb, you sounded smart, WHAT HAS HAPPEND TO YOU

You know that part in Old School when Will Ferrel is at the debates and makes an intelligent point to win the debate and then asks "what happened..I blacked out"....that was somewhat of a similar moment.

Trust me when I say that I'm still laughing at the word poop atm.



8o

Platinum Wipe

That will cure all of this.


you think a plat wipe will cure it, what about of all the high priced items that some ppl bought to get rid of duped PP?
I dont think a PP wipe will do any good. Besides after 4 years of playing i managed to get 100k hardly earned cash, id hate to see that go....on the other hand u cant buy anything ATM, im looking for a good bard bracer, but besides ornate molds all you see is UP named bracers...bah.

Another thing to consider is that caps like king in droga in an average 8 hour period will drop 2 or so copper hammers easy, you can invis all the way down. While king in sebilis is a bitch to get to and doesn't drop the fungus that often. In droga I can run around invis killing all the nameds and none of the others add (and named does not run cause other mobs are near) in Sebilis you will have an add and probably one that can CH. It's like dueling a Cleric, have to wait until the mob gets bored of fighting and gives up.

People aren't farming as much and what buyza says made a lot of sense.

When I started eq (post pop) I killed vox in a raid got a white dragonscale cloak, sold it for 25k + JBB. (level 48 shm *cheers*) with that 25k I single handely increased the value of centi ls by 500pp (1500 -> 2k) every one under 2k I bought, even ones others were selling for close to 2k I'd talk em down a 100pp or so and resell at 2k or 2100. I can see how excess plat via duping could let people inflate prices. And I agree most people get a ornate drop in bot, and trade it for a piece they need via selling for pp then buying.

woo woo someone agrees with me!

geez world is gonna end now

not many new guilds advance and kill targets like AoW etc screw the economy. He is up often but EP guilds have no need to kill him and there are no lower guilds who would kill him

Wrong he's still one of the most contested spawns in the game, try to find him up just once after American guilds have finished. We got to the statue once, and that was because he spawned after they had finished, after a patch ~ but then we got fucked out of it, i check almost nightly.

So, you have the EQers that will respond to the inflation by either a)buying more plat, b) trying to save more to get those items they want (fat chance), or c) being forced to join a raiding guild that raids no drop items that compare to the droppable items they wish to buy.

This might actually turn out to be good for the lower tier raiding guilds that are still recruiting. I would hope they want these exploits to be fixed. But then again maybe they want the game to crumble, because they realize EQ2 won't hold a candle to EQ1. Who knows.

Makes ya wonder..

Who really controls the economy of EQ?
If such vast amounts of cash are controlled by one entity (IGE, @#%$) then they can dictate the flow of the economy.
Hold back reserves till value hits appropriate level then flood the market. Or buy all of one certain item, hold back then re-introduce.

If i were SOE i would be swinging a HUGE ban stick.. Id make small buys of Plat and track the source of the money, then start banning and erasing. Id also Ban the accounts of people who bought Plat (ie 1 sided trades where people just hand the other person a huge sum of money.)

Will people still buy and sell plat? Of course.. but there would be a substantial risk.. and it would be more low key and wouldnt allow for the Hi-jacking of the economy.

Sony can't ban all the ebayers, they will lose to mucb business. You are talking about banning probably 40% of their customer base. Ebayers keep the game going.

Simply searching for large transfers of plat with no item exchanged is not a viable option for eleminating ebayers without affecting the rest of the non ebaying playerbase.

I personally have been known to loan large sums of money to two of my friends (i made a lot a year ago as a 250 smith), whom are each very good with markets, and who have used the money to raise some cash for themselves by buying / selling goods, and have since repayed me.

And what if i loan a friends 90 k to help them on a boc purchase, and get repaied a month later? A simple search would show me as a "ebay seller"

The only viable way to eleminate characters who sell on ebay is to buy pp for cash on EBAY, but that is most likely not cost effective for VI now. I doubt they care enough about EQ economey that they would spend that kind of RL cash... after all, if the degredation of the economy is the factor that makes us players switch from eq to eq 2, as a corporation, i would not care.

Your right Buyza... Its a huge (not 40%, you always inflate estimations,but Ill concede 20%) portion of people who do this.

But lets say SoE did a few high profile bannings.. Made an example out of a publizied example out of a few people on eacsh server who bought and sold stuff in violation of EULA.

Its so popular now because its ZERO risk. Add some risk to it and see what happens.

The only concern I would have about "high profile bannings" is you look at all the items that these people have that are no longer dropping...SoD / Mistwalker / Manastone, etc you get the point. What happens to prices on those "sought after" items once these people are banned? They stay the same or increase because there are fewer of them available.

Not sure if that makes sense or not to ya, does in my head /shrug.

I laugh when I see a Water Flask up for sale in the bazaar for 1 Million Plat. No he didn't just purchase anything on P.A. Ya, right

Actually.. Sony could effectively remove platinum from the game with those "high profile" bans.

Assume the people selling platinum/items over eBay/Player Auctions and the like get tracked. They likely have large sums of platinum that the ban will immediately eliminate. But they also likely have some pretty high priced items on them. If Sony then places these items up for sale in the bazaar or whatnot, any platinum then used to buy those items can also be removed from the game.

So there's really no need to lose items like Sceptres of Destruction that no longer drop. You can place them back into circulation and soak up some more platinum in the process.

And sure, those items could and probably would end up right back in the hands of the dupers. But if they try to sell it or money by eBay, they again run the risk of bans and liquidation of their inventory. If they don't sell it, they just laid out significant reserves for no reason.

avatar of war goes down fairly quickly from respawn. he's never up more then 12hrs.

don't know where you get this not enough are killing him idea.

I bet yall hate my trader :lol

umm no...

mq2 might be a problem, but it is not widespread as you might think.To test it I put a plate boot mold on bazaar for 1pp (grats zmall).It took 28minutes for someone to pick it up,no warping or insta purchase there.

And I dont understand the bitching about cant afford shit,I went to bazaar saw what was selling, then went farmed those items.Twentyfour hours later 500k.

wow lets be friends please...

People sell cream puffs on eBay in exchange for donkey-sex? IGE IS THE DEVIL! @#%$ them!

Hiyas Othen.

I laugh when I see a Water Flask up for sale in the bazaar for 1 Million Plat. No he didn't just purchase anything on P.A. Ya, rightAny moron can put a ridiculous price on an item in their trader. Didn't someone have a mino axe going for 80k last week?

What I have seen that's interesting, is when people will put up 2 items with a similar graphic and sell them both at the same price.

Architect's Bejeweled Chestplate and Sarnak Emblazened Tabard, both 8k, right next to each other in the trade window for example...