And Russia threatens to strike Poland, even though the US promises to defend Poland from any attack...

Russia threatens to 'strike' Poland in wake of U.S. missile plan

Last Updated: Friday, August 15, 2008 | 8:02 AM ET
CBC News
A Russian general says the recently negotiated deal to allow the United States to place a missile interceptor base in Poland "cannot go unpunished."

Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of the Russian general staff, made the comment to reporters on Friday.

Nogovitsyn was quoted by the Interfax news agency as saying Poland was risking attack by agreeing to the deal.

"Poland, by deploying [the system] is exposing itself to a strike —100 per cent," he said.

It is the strongest language so far from Russian officials in reaction to plans to install a missile defence battery in a former Soviet satellite nation.

Poland and the U.S. reached the agreement Thursday to base American missile interceptors in Poland in exchange for augmenting Polish forces with U.S. Patriot missiles.

The agreement comes in the wake of increasing tensions involving Russia and its former satellite states. Poland and other republics in eastern Europe have been unsettled by Russia's recent military incursion into Georgia.

The White House said the system, which is not yet running, is needed to protect the U.S. and Europe from possible attacks by missile-armed "rogue states" like Iran. But the Kremlin is convinced it is aimed at Russia's missile force.

Referring to the "mutual commitment" part of the agreement, Poland's Prime Minister Donald Tusk said that NATO would be too slow in coming to Poland's defence if Poland were threatened, and that the bloc would take "days, weeks to start that machinery."

The U.S. has also reached an agreement with the Czech Republic to place a radar component of the missile defence system in that country. The deal still needs approval from the Czech parliament.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/08/15/missle.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7563182.stm

'At a press conference in Moscow on Friday, Russia's deputy chief of general staff, Gen Anatoly Nogovitsyn, said the US move "cannot go unpunished". '

This does prove that Russia was right all along that the Missile Shield is technically against Russia, Doesn't it?

Not necessarily, where it would be located it would also protecting all of our allies in Europe from any possible attacks from the Middle East or even from western bound attacks from Korea (our Hawaiian and Aleutian bases would cover Korea eastbound attacks).

It wouldn't protect Israel though, which is probably the one area in the most danger over there.

Another dumb move by the US. If Iran developed a nuke the absolute stupidest thing they could do is fire it in a missile to Europe, or Israel for that matter. They would much more likely dis-assemble it, and have it snuck into the country they want to strike by terrorists. A lot of good a patriot missile would do in that case.

Keep prodding that bear, idiots. Remember how those drunk teens ended up that were teasing the Tiger in the zoo a few months back? :devil

I agree, this is a dumb move on our part. However Russia being upset at a defensive arrangement is also overreacting.

Big boys with their toys...

Another dumb move by the US. If Iran developed a nuke the absolute stupidest thing they could do is fire it in a missile to Europe, or Israel for that matter. They would much more likely dis-assemble it, and have it snuck into the country they want to strike by terrorists. A lot of good a patriot missile would do in that case.

A nuke smuggled into the US and set off in an American city would be a nightmare, but it wouldn't destroy the US. A nuke detonated high *over* the US for an EMP attack very well might. Such an attack can only be made with a missile (it doesn't even have to be a really big one). A Patriot missile won't help stop that, but the interceptors being developed and deployed might be able to, depending upon where the launch is made from and how many missiles are involved.

Loss of transportation, most communications and electricity would cripple the country. If you think the loss of public order during Katrina or the New York blackout was bad, think what would happen if the whole nation lost power (for months, possibly years in some places) and the majority of planes, trains and automobiles no longer function.

I've seen estimates that up to 30 million Americans would die from starvation and disease as the cities could no longer be adequately supplied with food, water and medicine. I've no idea how accurate this is, but clearly things would be very very bad.

Indeed, this kind of move goes a long way merely to re-erect an Iron Curtan, just to push it East a few hundred miles.

Indeed, this kind of move goes a long way merely to re-erect an Iron Curtan, just to push it East a few hundred miles.

The Bush-Cheney legacy continues to be compounded with poor decision making.

A nuke smuggled into the US and set off in an American city would be a nightmare, but it wouldn't destroy the US. A nuke detonated high *over* the US for an EMP attack very well might. Such an attack can only be made with a missile

Sorry, don't buy it. First off, we are not talking about the US and the technology needed to launch a missile from the mid-east to the US only exists in countries that are well known. In addition, and I may be off on this, but Patriots really aren't designed long range missiles like in the scenario you presented. The success rate from their would also bring into question why these are needed in Poland...or anywhere in Europe.

No, this seems political to me, with the guise of it being for all those terrorists with long range missiles. Cheney knows damn well even if Iran developed the missile technology and a nuke (on 5-10 years) it would be suicide to launch one into Europe.

The reference to Patriots was in reply to someone else's post. As I said, they won't stop a missile attack (unless they happen to be near the target area, which isn't applicable in the case of an EMP attack).

As to capabilities, you are right that *today* no one can hit us directly from the mideast. Are you prepared to guarantee that still will be the case in ten years? Can you guarantee that a shorter ranged rocket could not be launched from a freighter somewhere between here and there , say, in a year or two (assuming someone supplies a warhead)?

Iran hates our guts. They are continually working on extending the range of their missiles with the help of the North Koreans (and probably others). Their longer range rockets aren't very reliable today, but most everyone else who has started down that path (Russia, China, France, UK, India) has made progress to the point where they can either put objects in space or reach our shores with ballistic missiles. I don't think Iran will fail either.

Remember, we went from having our large rockets explode seemingly half the time and struggling to put one man into a suborbital flight path to putting men on the moon inside ten years. Progress can come quick, and defenses take time to build.

I just can't help but see the Iran scare tactics as nonsensical.

Why in the world would they attack us like that? Even an EMP attack that disabled most of our continent wouldn't protect them from the military response that would surely obliterate them overnight.

They may or may not hate us enough to attempt to nuke us or our allies, but I find it extremely difficult to believe any country would be foolish enough to do it overtly.

I hope you are right. Certainly that has been the case with Russia, China, etc. However blowing oneself up in a marketplace isn't exactly rational either. People do it because they think what's waiting for them in the afterlife as a reward is better than what they can get in the material world and they will gain honor for themselves and their families. If you extend that thought process to a national level (a stretch, I know), one could see an Iranian leader or group of leaders willing to sacrifice their whole country for the greater glory of islam. Sure, Iran might cease to exist but there would still be a billion other muslims to rejoice in the removal of the infidel US (and maybe Europe too) as an obstacle to their overall goals. If that is the mentality we are dealing with, then MAD is not a deterrent one can rely on anymore.

If just having ties to radical Islam indicts an entire country, how in the world do we justify Saudi Arabia as one of our allies? They take our oil money and spend part of it directly on funding radical Islam schools, to appease their populaces' angst over being allied with the West.

Iranians are not Sunni Wahabis... They do not expect virgins to be waiting for them... /sigh

Iranians are not Sunni Wahabis... They do not expect virgins to be waiting for them... /sigh

Were virgins mentioned? Or which sect was being discussed? Iranians are diverse, and even include some Christians and I bet some Buddhists. Just like everywhere else, people make choices on what and how to believe.

Iranians are not Sunni Wahabis... They do not expect virgins to be waiting for them... /sigh
They certainly haven't laid the smackdown on the Sunnis, however.

If they want people (the West) to consider thier views more seriously, they need to distance themselves from the radical factions that seem to grab the headlines.

Adding "Death to America and Isreal" at the beginning of every state fucntion isn't exactly a way to garner friends and influence people.

I've read repeatedly on this board that the Russian invasion of Georgia was just the first step... and now you're calling Bush stupid (again) for basically agreeing with you. But it's his fault Russia is acting the way it is. Congrats on another BDS outbreak.

Im glad they are doing it.

We need to get rid of much Russian leverage as possible. By establishing military bases with missle killing technology, the bases will improve as technology improves. You get them in now, and in 5 to 10 years we have rendered Russian ICBMs useless. Getting them in now is the important part.

Remove the Nuke threat. Remove the oil dependency. Encircle with NATO allied nations.
Its no wonder Russia feels threatened. We are removing the teeth from the bear one at a time. Its inevitable.

Its a chess game. Missile Defense Systems in Eastern Europe is thinking 3 moves ahead.

Encircle with NATO allied nations

It's why they are reacting this way. we are leaving them no choice but to fight what they see as NATO hegemony along thier western and southwestern border.

We reacted the same when the USSR tried the same thing in Cuba. and I've no doubt we'd do today if a breakaway mexican state along the southern border tried to make a "defence" pact with Russia.

We keep trying to push them into a corner militarly and /gasp amazed when they react strongly.

History has shown, never screw with Russia's sense of security...you will get fu...nm. Thats exactly what we are doing, rogue nations, please...can't believe anyone buys that. So what do we do when the "missile system" is under construction and suddenly disappears in a debris cloud derived from Russian air to surface missiles?

I like the idea of putting the anti-missile system in Poland. What I don't like is the timing combined with the oh-so-ironic speech Bush gave saying nations cannot be bullies and use intimidation. I wonder how many cases of whiplash that caused from the double takes.

Obviously the past week's words have had no effect on Russia's actions, since they're continuing to push into Georgia.

History has shown never to INVADE Russia, unless your name is Genghis.

No, you can fuck with Russia quite a bit. Russians have a weird thing about them that they seem to welcome suffering. The key is to NEVER get in a pissing contest where you try to see who can take more punishment. Russia will always win that one.

Do what has always been done to them. Isolate them. Make them neither Europe or Asia. Solitary and lost in their own vastness. Make them turn inward.

Interesting point: I did a paper once about how children's stories affect cultural core values. In the West, for example, most of the childrens stories revolve around fairness, or justice. Good guys win, bad guys lose, lessons are learned, ect.

Childrens stories in Russia are quite different. Many of them feature the protagonist (the "hero" if you will) engaging in very cruel acts (tricks) on other people. The acts are justified in the story by benefiting the hero's family or community. The Russian soul has no concept of Morality as we in the west know it. Its ok to lie, cheat or steal as long as your "group" benefits.

Russians are pretty reknown as a corrupt culture. Not in the sense of indulgence or decadence like we in the US are labled, but as people who have no real sense of, for lack of a better word, Honor. Think of the Russian soul as the opposite of the Japanese in that sense.

Because of this, Russia is, was and always will be a society in constant state of collapse. You just cannot build a lasting and enduring community around people who feel it is a virtue to "get over" on everyone else. This shows that Russia demands a strong central leader. The prototypical Russian "Iron Man". Wether this be Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Catherine, Lenin, Stalin or Putin, the Russians need a overpowering personality to cow them into working together.

The key is to take them off the world stage. Stop them from thinking they are getting over on other nations and let them turn on each other in their isolation. Russia is eternal in its hopelessness.

They certainly haven't laid the smackdown on the Sunnis, however.

If they want people (the West) to consider thier views more seriously, they need to distance themselves from the radical factions that seem to grab the headlines.

Adding "Death to America and Isreal" at the beginning of every state fucntion isn't exactly a way to garner friends and influence people.

Indeed Death to Israel... it is a fucking piece of shit to begin with.

And in regards to "Death to America"

I don't expect you to care, but our government has been acting like it is "Death to Iran" for YEARS. If they chanted anything else, and you lived there, you would call them fucking hippy Liberals.

I hope you are right. Certainly that has been the case with Russia, China, etc. However blowing oneself up in a marketplace isn't exactly rational either. People do it because they think what's waiting for them in the afterlife as a reward is better than what they can get in the material world and they will gain honor for themselves and their families.

If you extend that thought process to a national level (a stretch, I know), one could see an Iranian leader or group of leaders willing to sacrifice their whole country for the greater glory of islam. Sure, Iran might cease to exist but there would still be a billion other muslims to rejoice in the removal of the infidel US (and maybe Europe too) as an obstacle to their overall goals. If that is the mentality we are dealing with, then MAD is not a deterrent one can rely on anymore.

I was referring to this mentality that Iranians, like the most radical muslims want to die just to destroy America. You people do not understand the vast difference between Iranians, and the remainder of the Muslim world that hates America.

Iranians care about Iran first, and would NEVER sacrifice their country just to destroy another. This fucking lack of understanding and gullible nature of Americans to think that all Muslims are the same is the most sick sign of our completely fucked up education system, and our bullshit media.

Indeed Death to Israel... it is a fucking piece of shit to begin with.

And in regards to "Death to America"

I don't expect you to care, but our government has been acting like it is "Death to Iran" for YEARS. If they chanted anything else, and you lived there, you would call them fucking hippy Liberals.

I can understand you disliking Israel, I can.

But the bold statement from your quote shows us exactly why some of us find you to be too biased to actually consider listening to in this regard.

A person gets to a point where he stops caring ya know? I am fed up with them :)

'History has shown, never screw with Russia's sense of security...you will get fu...'

'History has shown never to INVADE Russia, unless your name is Genghis.'

- Uh, do you forget Alma, Balaclava, Inkerman? We dismantled Russian seapower and nullified their presence on the Black Sea. Sure we didn't get past the Crimea, but we gave them a sureified whooping! :P

Iranians care about Iran first, and would NEVER sacrifice their country just to destroy another. This fucking lack of understanding and gullible nature of Americans to think that all Muslims are the same is the most sick sign of our completely fucked up education system, and our bullshit media.

Muslims aren't all the same, but fanatics are. It is the fanatics (and I count Ahmadinejad amongst them) that we need to worry about. As far as the average Iranian goes, I think you are correct. Yet the suicide bomber that hit the US Marines barracks in Lebanon was an Iranian and Iran admittedly used wasteful mass human wave attacks against Iraq during their war. Add to this that Iran continues to risk their very existence by fucking with the US ( a known nuclear power who *has* used nukes before) in every way possible, including using their Quds force to ambush Americans in Iraq.

It is usually not the man in the street you need to worry about, it is the people in the seats of power.

Muslims aren't all the same, but fanatics are. It is the fanatics (and I count Ahmadinejad amongst them) that we need to worry about. As far as the average Iranian goes, I think you are correct. Yet the suicide bomber that hit the US Marines barracks in Lebanon was an Iranian and Iran admittedly used wasteful mass human wave attacks against Iraq during their war. Add to this that Iran continues to risk their very existence by fucking with the US ( a known nuclear power who *has* used nukes before) in every way possible, including using their Quds force to ambush Americans in Iraq.

It is usually not the man in the street you need to worry about, it is the people in the seats of power.

Ahmadenijad is nobody, and holds no real power.

Iran used human wave attacks against Iraq to DEFEND IRAN... you missed the point. They will do anything for Iran... they would never risk the destruction of their country. You just do not know Iranian Nationalism.

There is no evidence that Iranian troops have attacked American troops in Iraq.

Ahmadenijad is nobody, and holds no real power.

Unfortunately there is a minority of Americans that don't understand that fact.

Like 60 is the new 40 Ahmadenijad is the new WMD!

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid Rover. everyone knows that Ahmadenijad attended that Madrasa school with Barak Obama and both attended the classes taught by Osama Bin-laden and Saddam Hussien!

It was in fact this very school that John McCain was attempting to bomb(guided by the glorious hand of Jesus) when he was shot down and locked in that muslim prison camp.

You need to stop spouting all this revisionist history put forth by the leftist Neo-Commie media and start paying more attention to the E-Mails bieng sent to you by true patriots!

'Like 60 is the new 40 Ahmadenijad is the new WMD!'

- And salmon-pink is the new black!

Ahmadenijad is nobody, and holds no real power.

Iran used human wave attacks against Iraq to DEFEND IRAN... you missed the point. They will do anything for Iran... they would never risk the destruction of their country. You just do not know Iranian Nationalism.

There is no evidence that Iranian troops have attacked American troops in Iraq.

And Khameini is any better?

You miss my point. They were willing to sacrifice themselves for Iran and they hold islam in higher esteem than they hold Iran. If islam is "under attack" by the west as they claim, then sacrificing Iran to defeat the west seems the logical conclusion to that train of thought.

As far as evidence of Iranian complicity in attacks against US soldiers in Iraq, the US military says they are involved. I'll take their word over the mullahs any day.

There's no reason why you should have to take anyone's word for it. If it were substantially true, it would be trivially easy for us to prove.

They kept talking about how they were going to have press conferences with proof, kept moving those back, and eventually shut up about it. That sends a clear message to me.

And Khameini is any better?

You miss my point. They were willing to sacrifice themselves for Iran and they hold islam in higher esteem than they hold Iran. If islam is "under attack" by the west as they claim, then sacrificing Iran to defeat the west seems the logical conclusion to that train of thought.

As far as evidence of Iranian complicity in attacks against US soldiers in Iraq, the US military says they are involved. I'll take their word over the mullahs any day.

You know so little about Iran, and your source is the bush administration. Hilarious.

Iranians are unique in the Muslim faith. Their beliefs?

Iran first, Islam second... Like I said you do not know a damn thing. They don't hate America because we are Satan like osama leads his followers to believe. They hate us because of our history of interfering with their country, and because we killed their leader and put one in power that we liked more.

And yes, khamenei is much more moderate then ahmadenijad. If you knew shit about Iran you would know that they butt heads constantly and he overrules ahmadenijad constantly.

For fucks sake if your gonna talk with me about iran. Learn some shit about them before I make you like like an idiot.


And to akipt... If I'm a village idiot, what does that make you? The planet dumbass?

"anger and insults are the common replacement for those with no proof of what they desperately want to believe."-freud

Careful Akipt, folks might get mad at you like they did with me if you are mean to jeddy-poo.

Sorry, the planet dumbass inspires me to lose civility :)

Jedd, you're like the kid at school that seems to always have a kick me sign tapped to his ass.

Jedd, you're like the kid at school that seems to always have a kick me sign tapped to his ass.

And you're like the kid who wasn't at school...

Edited for edumacation!

Yo mama got such a big ass that when she sit down she 3ft taller.

And your like the kid who wasn't at school...

Oh the irony...

Oh the irony...

Fixed it for you, spell police

If you are going to make a comment about someone skipping school inferring they are uneducated, you should at least know grammar. It wasn't spelling; it was completely the incorrect word.

A possessive pronoun =\= a pronoun + verb or a contraction of the two.

Sorry, when I type on my Iphone I don't really care about grammar, but I get the point.

You need two download the grammar app four you're iPhone.

you need two download the grammar app four you're iphone.

omg

You need two download the grammar app four you're iPhone.


ROFLMAO :p

You need two download the grammar app four you're iPhone.


ROFLMAO :p again...

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HAZEL PARK, MI—In a statement made to reporters earlier this afternoon, local idiot Brandon Mylenek, 26, announced that at approximately 2:30 a.m. tonight, he plans to post an idiotic comment beneath a video on an Internet website.

"Later this evening, I intend to watch the video in question, click the 'reply' link above the box reserved for user comments, and draft a response, being careful to put as little thought into it as possible, while making sure to use all capital letters and incorrect punctuation," Mylenek said. "Although I do not yet know exactly what my comment will entail, I can say with a great degree of certainty that it will be incredibly stupid."

Mylenek, who rarely in his life has been capable of formulating an idea or opinion worth the amount of oxygen required to express it, went on to guarantee that the text of his comment would be misspelled to the point of incomprehension, that it would defy the laws of both logic and grammar, and that it would allege that several elements of the video are homosexual in nature.

"The result will be an astonishing combination of ignorance, offensiveness, and sheer idiocy," Mylenek said.

According to the idiot, he will become incensed at the quality and sentiment of the comments already posted below the video—which will include such replies as "not great, nice try tho," "FIRSTIES!!!" and "wtf?? lol so random." At this point, Mylenek said, he will feel a deep, unwavering desire to offer a dissenting opinion, which he has hinted will include the words "gay" and "reatrd" [sic].

"It is my moral obligation to alert the Internet community to the fact that this video is totally gay, and furthermore, that the individual who made it is a fag," Mylenek said.

Pressed for further details regarding his intended post, Mylenek, who will comment under the Internet pseudonym "xblingdaddy2005x," revealed that there is a strong possibility he will inadvertently post the comment twice.
"After clicking the 'submit' button, I will immediately refresh the page so that I can view my own comment. I will then notice that my comment has not appeared because the server has not yet processed my request, become angry and confused, and re-post the same comment with unintentional variations on the original wording and misspellings, creating two slightly different yet equally moronic comments," he said. "It is my hope that this will illustrate both my childlike level of impatience and my inability to replicate a simple string of letters and symbols 30 seconds after having composed it."

Mylenek confirmed rumors that he will be momentarily sidetracked by another inane task while drafting his comment. The distraction is scheduled to come at 2:25 a.m. in the form of a "related video" link featuring a man being sodomized by a horse, which Mylenek will re-watch seven times and laugh obnoxiously at with his friend and fellow idiot, Steve Blanchette, 28.

"Once this minor diversion is complete, I will finish posting my comment, then sit there like the worthless human being I am and wait for other commenters to respond," he added. "Because, as I mentioned before, I have nothing better to do with my life."

Mylenek said he fully expects that his comment will spawn a series of replies from other idiots around the world, who will either agree with his stance, disagree with his stance, or call Mylenek himself a "d0uche" and post an irrelevant link to a separate video that they will claim to be "way funnier." According to Mylenek, this is all part of the plan.

"We are blessed to be living in an age when we have a global communications network in which idiots, assholes, and total and complete wastes of fucking human life alike can come together to give instant feedback in an unfettered and unmonitored online environment," Mylenek said. "What better way to take advantage of this incredible technology than to log onto the Internet and insult a complete stranger?"
According to media critic Judy Turner, this type of behavior is not uncommon among idiots.

"Brandon's comments in particular contain a degree of unoriginality and stupidity that you only see in the most muttonheaded and imbecilic Internet commenters," Turner said. "In fact, I've seen him use at least a dozen variations of the word 'gay.' Suffice it to say, Brandon Mylenek is a truly stupid, stupid idiot."

Mylenek concluded his press conference with a solemn vow to uphold the awful, unintelligible, anger-inducing quality of his past Internet comments.
"I promise everyone that this post will be exactly what you have come to expect from an idiot like myself," he said, "and that I will check my comment regularly so that I can call everyone who says it's stupid a fag."


Source (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/local_idiot_to_post_comment_on)

"We are blessed to be living in an age when we have a global communications network in which idiots, assholes, and total and complete wastes of fucking human life alike can come together to give instant feedback in an unfettered and unmonitored online environment," Mylenek said. "What better way to take advantage of this incredible technology than to log onto the Internet and insult a complete stranger?"
According to media critic Judy Turner, this type of behavior is not uncommon among idiots.




I love the manner in which The Onion always manages to slip a bit of truth into their satirical stories.

LOL, OMG taht is teh funniez....

Dibs on the 'asshole' description! ;)