Kind of damning...

Watch the video (http://www.ktvu.com/video/18409133/index.html)

I caught this last night.

Seriously, fuck the police. I can't even imagine what lame justification they're going to offer up to get this guy off the hook. And for any potential white knighters - watch the video before you start justifying this crap.

weird, sound doesn't work for me.

I can't get the video to work. Can you give me some key search words so I can find it please....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKy-WSZMklc

Blatant misuse of force, even if he was trying to get away a good thump to the back of the skull and lights out. No need to murder him.

Wtf?

That cop needs to get executed!

Thats murder.

straight up.

Sadly this kind of use of force is becoming more and more common place. witnessed a tasering about 2 weeks ago along similiar lines.

Lets not jump to conclusions, the gun may went off accidently.

What is BART? Is that like transist authority? Are they even realy cops?

I don't even know what to say. :(

Sorry Elren.. Can't stick up for ya on this. I work in Law Enforcement.. Even if he MEANT to grab the Tazer a cop needs to be 100% accountable for his use of force. Accident don't cut it here...

I'm with the masses here, that's murder plain and simple ;(

BART is Bay Area Rapid Transit.

So they released this guy's name. He still has yet to be interviewed. There have also been reports that the officers were confiscating cellphones and other recording devices at the scene. It's pretty obvious they are trying their hardest to sweep this under the rug, and I'm sure they'll be successful as usual.

Police scare the shit out of me. Throw this moron to the wolves in prison and introduce some fucking accountability into the system.

This cop won't even be charged with a crime. This was a straight out execution of someone. But no one will care because the Gov of Illinois who has not been charged or convicted of anything has appointed a senator.

This cop won't even be charged with a crime. This was a straight out execution of someone. But no one will care because the Gov of Illinois who has not been charged or convicted of anything has appointed a senator.

How are the two related?

I have plenty of space in muh big ole noggin to be concerned about both actions.

You might swallow the corruption of government as okie dokie but I find I can't fathom how either crime should be absolved of guilt.

They are related b/c one is getting far more attention over the other than it should. And he's right b/c I didn't even know about this shooting except by viewing these forums. Sad sad :(

Only thing I could say as a defense was the guy was nervose and it was an accident. Still doesn't lessen the event but intent could mean a different charge....

There's the rub. No video can ever capture intent, just the actions that were taken.

He should get involuntary manslaughter. Unfortunately, it's pretty much a death sentence as police do not often fair well in prisons. He could always opt for segregation, where he'd have some time to reflect on what happened.

Instead the fraternity of police will do what they always do - protect their own. I imagine they will continue to stick with the 'he thought it was a taser' excuse, which is fucking laughable to anyone who has ever handled a handgun, much less an officer who is supposed to be an expert in doing so. Oh, and there is the small fact that the video evidence clearly shows that he doesn't even have a taser on his person.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8027854162700568157 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8027854162700568157)

This piece of shit shot an Air Force officer and got off. He tells him to stand up, the person does, cop fires 3 shots, then tells him to SHUT THE FUCK UP. And he got off.

This is a problem.

I think intent can be determined by the subsequent attempt at a cover up. The BART police force should hang this guy out to dry. By attempting to hush people that had video of the event, and by removing cell phones and the like from people that were there, the police force becomes an accomplice in my eyes. The people that tried to take cameras and cover up what happened should also be brought up on felony conspiracy and aiding and abetting charges.

This is most definitely murder. If I 'accidently' shot someone while trying to restrain them, I'd be charged with murder. It should be no difference for a cop. They are NOT above the law.

This is a straight up execution, there is no reason the gun should of even been drawn, let alone the safty being released...

I bet the lawyers are crawling all over each other to get at this case. On what possible grounds could they have confiscated private property from any person not directly involved in this event; and, at the point of demanding the property did they inform the people of their right to consult an attorney first?

Straight up crime committed, and straight up cover up in progress.

Well I think this cop killed this guy. I'm not some faggot going wah fuck the police, lets smoke some pot. But this guy deserves some serious punishment.

As for why the dip shit pulled the gun, I can only imagine it was because there was other people there under arrest or being detained. Doesn't excuse his fuck up though.

This is most definitely murder. If I 'accidently' shot someone while trying to restrain them, I'd be charged with murder. It should be no difference for a cop. They are NOT above the law.


If you accidentally shot someone it is a different Charge than if you intended to kill someone..... different charges with different penal (yeah I said penal) scale.

They guy is dead..... no denying that. But if you run someone over in your car doesn't mean you are going to jail. In fact if it is an accident you can walk away from it.

I do believe that the officer killed the guy and will be punished. How severly (or minimally) will be determined by the charge.

You didn't really compare what this cop did to a car accident did you? Really?

No I'm not. I'm trying to give an example of differing levels of punishment. You don't understand that?

There's a huge difference though in an accident involving a car and a firearm. Hugely different levels of liability (especially if the gun is pointed at someone's head).

The guy was handcuffed when he was shot. There was a cop kneeling on his neck and another sitting on his legs. The video clearly shows the victim with his hands up and in a very passive attitude. For some things in life there is no excuse abd this is one of them.

How are the two related?

I have plenty of space in muh big ole noggin to be concerned about both actions.

You might swallow the corruption of government as okie dokie but I find I can't fathom how either crime should be absolved of guilt.

They aren't related except by the ratings generated for each story. Why show a story about a black kid who is shot in a subway when you can show a story about nothing and get ratings. The subway story would require investigation and the Governor who has not been charged with anything requires a bunch of file footage and an anchor person. The news is not about substance it's about ratings and the public buys it.

Welcome to the "You just got ripped off for $700 Billion dollars and that same thief is able to legally take peoples houses" That is the world we live in.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/07/BA2N155CN1.DTL

Im so sick of everything being an excuse to riot. Lock these fucks up.

Im so sick of everything being an excuse to riot. Lock these fucks up.

Well, here's an example of not everyone being that way: http://www.flickr.com/photos/inadvertentgardener/3178284727/in/set-72157612308752606/

'We are protesting racial injustice and police brutality against us, so we are going to exercise racial injustice against our own people and engage in violent acts against those in our own community who had nothing to do with the event we are protesting.'

I never cease being amazed at how easily some people can be led by the nose by the radicals in their midst. I agree, lock these fucks up.

They probably feel like it's the only way they can be heard. I don't think it's right either, but I can see how they might feel like they're pushed into a corner by the system.

I'd expect to see a lot more of this here in the coming year.

I think I would have to agree with Sanchek's statement. It might not be right, but I'm guessing they don't feel like they have any other options.

It's the same mentality of those that rioted in LA when the Rodney King fiasco took place.

Except there's no priceless soundbite to go along with this travesty.

I think I would have to agree with Sanchek's statement. It might not be right, but I'm guessing they don't feel like they have any other options.

No other options than to trash a local minority business? No other options than to break out the windows of local resident's cars? What the fuck does that have to do with the damn police committing murder?

When I saw that one gal's comment regarding the business owner and saying she should be happy it was not her life, I just wanted to grab her and slap the shit out of her; it is that kind of mentality that has kept so much racial crap going on, both within the race and in inter-race conflicts. The salon owner had nothing to do with what happened in the subway, but the rioters still thought breaking her windows and trashing the store was some kind of effective protest? Fuck them. Lock them up.

They probably feel like it's the only way they can be heard. I don't think it's right either, but I can see how they might feel like they're pushed into a corner by the system.

I'd expect to see a lot more of this here in the coming year.

Don't give me that bullshit San. 10 miles away across the bay is the fucking protest capital of the world. You do not see them rioting all the time. Protest your heart out, that's great, I'm with you, but riot? fuck you off to jail.

My thoughts on it:

I protect your right to assemble peaceably and protest whatever the fuck you feel like with my life

Don't abuse it.

Because just as quick I'll be more than happy to stuff you and cuff you under martial law if you're breaking the law

American citizens have the right to protest and to assemble peacefully to do so. Vandalism is a crime, just like the murder/manslaughter/cover-up they're protesting. Obviously of different magnitudes, but a crime none the less. Once you cross that line, your ass goes to jail and I have no sympathy for you.


And in other police being fucking retarded news:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/08/baseballer.shot/index.html

Methinks police forces need to be a bit more discriminating in their hiring practices. Or if they can't make up a personnel shortfall otherwise, at least train them more thoroughly.

Arrested!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/14/oscar-grants-killer-bart-_n_157824.html

YES!

Seriously, with how much effort gets put into making these things go away, it's nice to see that justice may prevail.

I watched the video from a different angle the first time, now seeing it more clearly, that cop is fucked. As it should be. I hope they fry his ass.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,486108,00.html


he won't get premeditaed murder..... I bet he gets a the lightest version of murder there is .... mark my words.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,486108,00.html


he won't get premeditaed murder..... I bet he gets a the lightest version of murder there is .... mark my words.


Realize that this is the guys latest story and is far from what he originally stated. The Judge even noted that along with calling him a flight risk. This guy simply murdered the kid and thought he would do the standard cop thing until it was known that multiple videos from different angles existed.

According to a statement from Officer Tony Pirone, Mehserle told Grant to stop resisting and put his hands behind his back. Then, according to Pirone's statement, Mehserle said: "I'm going to taze him, I'm going to taze him. I can't get his arms. He won't give me his arms. His hands are going for his waistband."

I don't know, but this certainly sounds like someone rehearsed their story beforehand. Also, anyone know why this guy was arrested in Nevada? Was he trying to hide or escape?

I don't know, but this certainly sounds like someone rehearsed their story beforehand. Also, anyone know why this guy was arrested in Nevada? Was he trying to hide or escape?

I believe he quit the force immediately after the incident, and was likely traveling or at the least trying to stay away from the area.