Folks seem to want to keep race out of the campaign; at least, those folks that have a white face staring back out of their mirror do. From the moment Obama entered this race for the White House, race has been an issue; and, any attempt to deny or ignore this fact is childish at best, and naively racist at it's worst.

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State after state won by Obama, the numbers break down with overwhelming support among black voters being for Obama. We are now starting to hear and see what was hinted at by some from the very beginning; that, now that Obama has shown himself to be a viable candidate for the Presidency, if the nomination is denied him many black voters will simply not vote for the President.

Eighteen months ago, this election was suppose to be about a male versus female leader. It has now become more about a black versus white leader.
It is going to continue getting nastier, right through November.

Eighteen months ago, this election was suppose to be about a male versus female leader. It has now become more about a black versus white leader.
Why is it the most basic or most simplistic comparaison that finally "drives" elections?

I guess this kind of "arguments" will lead us back to the "uneducated" voters discussion we had already, but everytime it's so blatant it's scary.

4 years ago it was between the guy who didn't know what to do but who would do it anyway, and the stupid but funny guy and his big toys.

Hey at least the funny guy won!

Why is it the most basic or most simplistic comparaison that finally "drives" elections?



It is sad, isn't it?

At the end of the day, the "least different from me" candidate tends to get the vote, whether it be party, gender, race, religion, whatever.

Obama has offered the most promise for people to be able to hope for a change in the way our nation does it's business. Of course, without Congress' aid, his promises will come to little fruition. Hopefully, though, when people actually mark their ballots, they will have given due consideration to this most important act, and looked down the road further than when Dubya and Cheney vacate the premises.

I think most people already just pick the candidate they "like" and then find reasons to support their choice, as it is. As it's well proven that we "like" people more if we perceive them to be similar to us, I'd imagine having the race and gender divisions have only exacerbated that.

I'd have to dis-agree thats it's all about race. he's gotten alot of white voters. how does he win a state like Iowa? 3% black population, Wyoming something like 1% Black population. my state has something like a 12% Black population and yet he win's the state by 65%? are you trying to tell me that only the Black population came out to caucus/vote in WA.?

I call BS! I'll admit I haven't had time to nor will I to break all of the data down from the census roll and filter them thru the election results. If you could i'm pretty sure you'd start to see anomolies.
as an example, right now with 50% of the vote in from Indiana hilly leads 54 to 46 %. are you gonna try and tell me Indiana's population is 46% African-American?

Like wise NC is 62 to 36% Obama. sorry but NC while having a large A-A population it sure as hell is'nt 62% of the state.

*tinfoil hat /on* I think your seeing the entrenched beginning to pull out all the propaganda stops in an effort to de-rail Obama. the basic message in it's basest for form is...don't buy into this Obama stuff it's only the N*****'s who are voting for him, good little white poeple are all voting for Hilliary and so should you!
Obama scares the Shit outta the establishment because they have no doubt he means to accomplish what he says. wich will be the end of thier gravy train.

I'd have to dis-agree thats it's all about race. he's gotten alot of white voters. how does he win a state like Iowa? 3% black population, Wyoming something like 1% Black population. my state has something like a 12% Black population and yet he win's the state by 65%? are you trying to tell me that only the Black population came out to caucus/vote in WA.?

I call BS! I'll admit I haven't had time to nor will I to break all of the data down from the census roll and filter them thru the election results. If you could i'm pretty sure you'd start to see anomolies.
as an example, right now with 50% of the vote in from Indiana hilly leads 54 to 46 %. are you gonna try and tell me Indiana's population is 46% African-American?

Like wise NC is 62 to 36% Obama. sorry but NC while having a large A-A population it sure as hell is'nt 62% of the state.

*tinfoil hat /on* I think your seeing the entrenched beginning to pull out all the propaganda stops in an effort to de-rail Obama. the basic message in it's basest for form is...don't buy into this Obama stuff it's only the N*****'s who are voting for him, good little white poeple are all voting for Hilliary and so should you!
Obama scares the Shit outta the establishment because they have no doubt he means to accomplish what he says. wich will be the end of thier gravy train.

Indiana isn't over yet!!!

53% Hillary
47% Obama

with the main black counties not counted halfway even yet.

I'd have to dis-agree thats it's all about race.




Has anyone said that it is "all about race"? What has been said is that race is a definite factor in the campaign, and attempts to minimize that are not realistic. The latest numbers on the North Carolina primary today show 91% of the black vote going to the black candidate. To say race is not involved in this election race is to invite a drug screening.

And, those looking realistically at this race are not necessarily trying to derail anything, but are looking at the facts that in every state Obama has won he has carried the black vote, and that those voters are making it known they expect him to be the nominee or they will withhold their votes come the general election.

Seriously, is this a surprise to anyone? We could expect the same in several different scenarios, whether it be a black or latino or female candidate being denied the nomination by the "old white male club". We are finally at the point where gender and race have stopped preventing candidates from making a run at the White House. It follows that those of the same gender or race will now be more inclined to feel cheated if the nomination looks to be "stolen" from their preferred candidate.

Tin foil hats are not necessary to view the obvious.

The fact that we even classify black voters and white voters is stupid.

Why cant we just classify them as voters.

This whole thing is ludicrous...

Please explain how Obama wins majority white states, if you cannot, then perhaps the reason he wins black voters is because /GASP They agree with him!!!!

The fact that we even classify black voters and white voters is stupid.

Why cant we just classify them as voters.

This whole thing is ludicrous...

Please explain how Obama wins majority white states, if you cannot, then perhaps the reason he wins black voters is because /GASP They agree with him!!!!

Are you really this naive? I think not, considering your comments regarding the "black counties" not yet being counted in your post in Nydia's "Just had To Say" thread.

You toss out a ridiculous question about how Obama wins majority white states as if that erases the question of race, yet everyone on every news outlet has been consistently saying that Obama appeals to the young and the black vote; meanwhile, those same news folks give Hillary the old and most of the white female vote. So, you tell me: how does a candidate that has energized the voters as Obama has, who appeals to the young college aged voter and the black voters, win states? If a state's total black voter population is 36%, and 95% of that 36% votes for Obama, than the observation regarding race is valid; even more so when that pattern is demonstrated in state after state.

I will be 56 this summer, and am probably old enough to be father to most on this forum. Most have no memory of the Civil Rights era because they were not yet born. For those of us that were there, we cannot avoid but seeing the race aspect of this campaign. It is the culmination of a lot of individual and collective efforts which many never believed they would see in their lifetime. Not meaning disrespect, but Shirley Chisholm and Jesse Jackson were never viable candidates.

To you it is stupid that people would even classify black and white voters, but to those my age and older who lived through some ugly times, it is unavoidable. I expect it will be the grandchildren of those alive during that era that will be the first to really question why race matters, and their children, or grandchildren, who will no longer even pay attention to that factor.

Are you really this naive?

Can you give me an answer instead of insulting me?

Perhaps I am totally ridiculous in my post, tell me why please.

Well at one time, they were saying that people lied about minority voting on polling questions, to sound less discriminatory. They said that most of the people who claimed to support Hillary or Obama would really vote for one of the WASP guys when it came down to it.

Perhaps assuming race and gender play too much a role in peoples' decisions is just as incorrect as believing it plays none?

Well at one time, they were saying that people lied about minority voting on polling questions, to sound less discriminatory. They said that most of the people who claimed to support Hillary or Obama would really vote for one of the WASP guys when it came down to it.

Perhaps assuming race and gender play too much a role in peoples' decisions is just as incorrect as believing it plays none?

I find it real unnecessary, and a real bad sign that racism is still very much alive.

Classifying people's votes by race is basically tracking to see if people voted just because of race. Which implies more stupidity then the real people we should be tracking. The people that vote for a candidate because they are cute, or dress nice!

I find it real unnecessary, and a real bad sign that racism is still very much alive.

Classifying people's votes by race is basically tracking to see if people voted just because of race. Which implies more stupidity then the real people we should be tracking. The people that vote for a candidate because they are cute, or dress nice!

I am not sure of your age jedd, but keep in mind the age and mindset of most of those broadcasters; they saw times when race was a much more predominant factor, and the times we live through affect how we relate to the world.

I am not sure of your age jedd, but keep in mind the age and mindset of most of those broadcasters; they saw times when race was a much more predominant factor, and the times we live through affect how we relate to the world.

I have no delusions that Race was important and a major factor at one time. But how can we step away from division if we keep classifying votes based on race.

Can you give me an answer instead of insulting me?



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I guess it will take more time then... Just seems silly to me :)

I will be 56 this summer, and am probably old enough to be father to most on this forum.
While that is true for many people here (including myself--I'm 27), it's not all that uncommon for EQ players to be of your generation. The median age is likely somewhere in the 30's in my guild, but we have a surprising number of people in their 40's, 50's, and 60's. Many are parents, and a few are grandparents.

Then again I remember hearing that we had a reputation as a guild of "old-timers". :)

While that is true for many people here (including myself--I'm 27), it's not all that uncommon for EQ players to be of your generation. The median age is likely somewhere in the 30's in my guild, but we have a surprising number of people in their 40's, 50's, and 60's. Many are parents, and a few are grandparents.

Then again I remember hearing that we had a reputation as a guild of "old-timers". :)

There were a couple even older than me in Lost Fires. I bought the game for my son, who eventually talked me into trying it while I was convalescing from
some medical drama. Seven years later, it has finally lost it's attraction.

I think Palarran is adding me in with the old gamers ;P

Neener Byl, you'd have had to be 13 when you got jiggy to be my Dad!!

errr wait, just dated myself ....fock

You cannot dedicate yourself to America unless you become in every respect and with every purpose of your will thorough Americans. You cannot become thorough Americans if you think of yourselves in groups. America does not consist of groups. A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a particular national group in America has not yet become an American, and the man who goes among you to trade upon your nationality is no worthy son to live under the Stars and Stripes.

Was reading Independents Day last night and ran across that quote. Seemed appropriate.

Was reading Independents Day last night and ran across that quote. Seemed appropriate.

I agree on the quote; it is a pity Wilson did not do more to demonstrate his own belief in those words.