Did you guys know that you can be falsely arrested for rape simply by someone stating it is true? there doesn't have to be any evidence

Did you know that you are picked up and placed in jail and then must figure out a way to prove something that didn't happen?

Did you know that even if cleared of the charge the fact that you were arrested for a sex charge stays on your record forever... unless you can get it exsponged which is very very difficult?

Bummer for you dude...

Hahahah - I don't know why but that really made me laugh.

Sorry Bise!

This happen to you or someone you know Bise?

Bise must have had a very very bad day.

Not to me but to someone I know.... very scary to watch the legal system work from the other side...

Unfortunately there are quite a few stories similiar to this, think about people who were executed and those in prison for life or on death row currently who are probably innocent.

This goes to overzealous prosecutors looking to advance their careers.

I had a friend many years back who met a girl at a bar one weekend, bar-hopped the night away (with her being carded at each establishment), and ended up spending the night with her. He lived just across the St Croix river in Wisconsin, and they spent the night there.

The girl in question was a high school senior with a phony ID, and he had now committed statutory rape (she was a few weeks shy of 18) as well as taking her across state lines. However, he had six witnesses that had all checked this girl's ID in his presence. Still, a scary situation.

I had a friend many years back who met a girl at a bar one weekend, bar-hopped the night away (with her being carded at each establishment), and ended up spending the night with her. He lived just across the St Croix river in Wisconsin, and they spent the night there.

The girl in question was a high school senior with a phony ID, and he had now committed statutory rape (she was a few weeks shy of 18) as well as taking her across state lines. However, he had six witnesses that had all checked this girl's ID in his presence. Still, a scary situation.

That is fucked up. Didn't he do due diligence to make sure the person he was with was at least age of consent? What more was expected of him? After she presented her fake ID six times in front of him, shouldn't the lying bitch be the one held to task?

I had a friend many years back who met a girl at a bar one weekend, bar-hopped the night away (with her being carded at each establishment), and ended up spending the night with her. He lived just across the St Croix river in Wisconsin, and they spent the night there.

The girl in question was a high school senior with a phony ID, and he had now committed statutory rape (she was a few weeks shy of 18) as well as taking her across state lines. However, he had six witnesses that had all checked this girl's ID in his presence. Still, a scary situation.

Something very similar happened to my nephew. He was just turned 18 and met a girl. He was with all his friends and she said she was 18 had a phoney ID too. He dated her for 2 months until he found out she was only 14 and had been lying. Her mother pressed charges on him and at 18 he was facing some hefty fines and even jail time. After over 18 months of trials and postponements and lots of money spent on attorneys he got it dropped. It's such bullshit, what is a person to do if someone presents themselves as an adult and they aren't? I frankly don't see how it is the other person's fault if they think they are engaging in legal consenual sex.


Another situation, a lady I work... her son. His didn't turn out so well. He was 22, girl was 17. He knew she was 17 but she was going to be 18 in 2 months. He didn't wait, they made a movie, her ex-boyfriend found out and the law got involved b/c he was pissed she was sleeping around. He got 2 years probation and some ungodly amount of fines. He recently was reported for drinking (in his home) and was forced to spend 72hrs in jail b/c his probation terms said he couldn't drink. This girl even testified that she wanted to have sex that she pressured him into it. Her parents weren't the ones even pressing the charges. Sadly he couldn't afford an attorney and got an appointed one. His mom couldn't afford it either so he's now a registered sex offender in PA for sleeping with a girl 2months shy of her 18th birthday.

I don't know, when I was 17 I dated a guy 24 and in the Navy. I didn't see a problem with this then and I still don't. Hell Leah is 6yrs older than me. I think an ounce of common sense doesn't exist in our laws.

It is definately guilty until proven innocent when it comes to this kind of thing. I have read stories of such accusations and the innocent, falsely accused person is beaten or killed by outraged family members... and it was all a lie to begin with....

It's the rubberband effect. Remember, it wasn't long ago that a woman claiming she was raped was ostracized and made to feel like she was on trial. Now there's some over-reaction happening in response to past injustice. Hopefully some middle ground can be found soon.

Did you guys know that you can be falsely arrested for rape simply by someone stating it is true? there doesn't have to be any evidence

Did you know that you are picked up and placed in jail and then must figure out a way to prove something that didn't happen?

Did you know that even if cleared of the charge the fact that you were arrested for a sex charge stays on your record forever... unless you can get it exsponged which is very very difficult?

Why didn't your friend get a lawyer immediately? They could only hold him for 24 hours, and they would need more evidence than her statement. Like vaginal tearing or something from a rape kit or something like that. Either they didn't get a lawyer or there is part of this story missing.

They could only hold him for 24 hours

OMG...that is soooo pre-9/11 thinking.

OMG...that is soooo pre-9/11 thinking.

yes, terrorism of the vagina Is a big problem and is the work of evil men. The accused vaginal terrorists will be held until they can prove that something that didnt happen, indeed didnt happen.

Why didn't your friend get a lawyer immediately? They could only hold him for 24 hours, and they would need more evidence than her statement. Like vaginal tearing or something from a rape kit or something like that. Either they didn't get a lawyer or there is part of this story missing.

Maybe where you live but if you're picked up on a Friday you will wait till Monday or Tuesday depending on the arraignment schedule. And if you live in a very small town where a couple of judges make the rounds between several counties....well it could be awhile.

Arrested or held for questioning. To arrest you, they need to have a LOT more evidence than "she said". That is very universal. Again, I'm fairly certain some large parts of this story are missing.

That's technically true, as long as you know your rights and specifically ask if they're placing you under arrest or detaining you.

However, they will mind-fuck the average Joe into thinking that he's being detained when he legally isn't. To your average citizen, the line between being held for questioning and being arrested is very blurry, and law enforcement exploits this.

I would think the average Joe has seen enough Mirandizing in the thousands of movies and television shows. I could be wrong, but ignorance isn't necessarily a "get out of jail free" card either.

All that goes out the window in a high-stress situation.

Ahh so when you're an 18 year old kid you're supposed to know this stuff? No, my nephew didn't know he was scared shitless and didn't know what to do. They held him for most of the day until my sis got off work which was when he was allowed to call his mom. I know it's convienent to think that authorities are the good guys and always do everything like they're supposed to but they questioned my nephew all day trying to make him "confess" all they managed to do was make an 18 year old young man cry for hours b/c they kept telling him he was going to prison and that he was a criminal. He didn't know his rights, he didn't know squat, he was just scared. All he knew was what they were telling him. When they let him call his mom, things changed drastically. He might not have been "arrested" but they cuffed him, they picked him up from his job (which he lost), they put him in a cell until they could question him, and then questioned him for many hours. When my sister arrived she had our cousin who was a sitting District Court judge in a nieghboring county in tow with her. That's when things changed. Still, if she didn't have those connections and it were an "average joe" who knows what would have happened to him.

Until you or someone you know personally is on that side of things with the law it's easy to think everything plays out like "Law and Order" that's just not how things go, especially in small towns with populations of less than 10,000 where everyone knows everyone.

Like I said, 18 months of hell for him and my sister until the case was finally dropped. It actually went to trial and him and the girl and all their friends had to testify. The case was dropped b/c the girl ran away from home to be with some guy who was in college on the other part of the state. At that point the judge pretty much said the parents should be ashamed of themselves and that they were the problem and how could they try to ruin my nephew's life when clearly they have no control over their daughter. Blah Blah Blah typical judge spiel. Chance is 24 this month and still carries the emotional scars of being wrongfully accused.

Innocent until proven guilty is bullshit in some cases.

Your nephew is Bise's friend? I'm missing something here ...

fil mentioned her nephew in a previous post on page 1. Only thing it has to do with Bise's friend is that its on topic.

No, I don't know Bise or his friend. I don't know what happened. I do however, know my nephew and know what happened to him and based on that and on what happened to my co-worker's son I am more than sure a few women/ex's/moms use the rape card for whatever retarded reason they conjure.

I wasn't aware that we weren't allowed to post real life examples about the topic at hand. I'm sorry if you don't agree, I probably wouldn't either if I hadn't seen my sister and nephew struggle through the bullshit and have to borrow money to pay fees. But, the fact is, this stuff happens.... like allot of things we wish didn't.... it does and it sucks royal for the accused when they are innocent. Yes, some rapes are legitimate, yes creeps need to be prosecuted but people should not be instantly assumed as guilty or treated like dog shit b/c someone accuses them of something. There are such things as due process. And there are times/places where rights take a backseat. That is what folks are saying here.

Pfh, Fildien's post was not only on topic, but informational. Thread is fine if you're following along. Thanks for sharing Fildien.

On topic - this is a scary area, and even if it is a reversal of historic standings when a man could accuse a woman of being a whore and ruin her, it's damn scary. As a teacher, all I need is one student who gets an F to turn around and say I was mad because of some inappropriate action and not only will I be fired, arrested, publicly humiliated, but I'll never be able to teach again - regardless of whether or not I am proven innocent.

Why didn't your friend get a lawyer immediately? They could only hold him for 24 hours, and they would need more evidence than her statement. Like vaginal tearing or something from a rape kit or something like that. Either they didn't get a lawyer or there is part of this story missing.


They actually called him to come in and talk to him. He had no idea what about. It was on a Friday evening. He was held over the weekend because the computer spit out a $250000 bond which he could not afford. His lawyer got it lowered to 50000 on monday but the paper work wasn't done until that evening.

As far as missing part of the story, it has already went to the Grand Jury and been thrown out as a No True Bill.

He took a car back that she wasn't paying for and she got pissed, they broke up and viola the charges were pressed.

There was ZERO evidence. it was TOTALLY all just her saying it. I can not be more clear on that. There was no doctor visit, there was no physical evidence. She didn't report it until three weeks later. there was even sex after the alleged incidence.

One of the main reasons I am posting is he wants as many people to know just how much this can effect your life. The detective didn't believe her either but she said the same story three times and wanted to press charges. A judge signed it and now he has to defend something that didn't happen.

I hope it is different in other states but the only other thing that they will pick you up quicker on is a Child molestation/rape charge.

Sure he is vindicated but it cost 6 weeks of worry, 6 grand in legal bills his whole family in turmoil, could not go back to work until this issue was settled and he is military applying for top secret clearance for his job.

So by just SAYING something happened it looks like he paid a high price.

Arrested or held for questioning. To arrest you, they need to have a LOT more evidence than "she said". That is very universal. Again, I'm fairly certain some large parts of this story are missing.


you are 100% wrong sir.

you are 1000% wrong.


wrong.

Call a lawyer or look it up.

Why didn't your friend get a lawyer immediately? They could only hold him for 24 hours, and they would need more evidence than her statement. Like vaginal tearing or something from a rape kit or something like that. Either they didn't get a lawyer or there is part of this story missing.


Oh and btw, it doesn't have to be male/female.... it is the same for male/male.

Pfh, Fildien's post was not only on topic, but informational. Thread is fine if you're following along. Thanks for sharing Fildien.

On topic - this is a scary area, and even if it is a reversal of historic standings when a man could accuse a woman of being a whore and ruin her, it's damn scary. As a teacher, all I need is one student who gets an F to turn around and say I was mad because of some inappropriate action and not only will I be fired, arrested, publicly humiliated, but I'll never be able to teach again - regardless of whether or not I am proven innocent.


Kanyli, I would be terrified of this if I were a teacher. Guilty until proven innocent is the standard now.

If everything happened as you say it did he has one whopper of a civil case against her and the police/county. She can sign the charges but the police can also state that their investigation is showing the charges to be possibly false and they CAN delay arrest and CAN tell the prosecutor/judge as much.

It sounds like they did not do that, for whatever reason someone believed her enough to let things happen in the way they did.


edit below:

She can also be criminally prosecuted for signing false charges and filing a false report.

If everything happened as you say it did he has one whopper of a civil case against her and the police/county. She can sign the charges but the police can also state that their investigation is showing the charges to be possibly false and they CAN delay arrest and CAN tell the prosecutor/judge as much.

It sounds like they did not do that, for whatever reason someone believed her enough to let things happen in the way they did.

Oh that is in the works. If it can be proved she lied it will be a criminal case as well.

EDIT for ROver: We know about that but there are even more things that can be filed against her now (criminally). Civilly it ranges from Defamation, Slander and two other things I can't remember now.

I hope some justice can be had here. Women or men or people in general who do this sort of thing should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. You're not just fucking with someone here you're fucking their whole life up, it's not a short term problem it will follow them forever.

I'm glad the charges were dropped on your friend and I hope that if anything some light was shed here.

She can also be criminally prosecuted for signing false charges and filing a false report.


Hopefully, to make an even more important point, Bise's friend will ask that this be charged;and, if he can afford it, also file for a civil suit for libel and filing of false charges. It may be necessary to clear his record for the career he is looking to enter.

This article just goes on top of what Bise was saying. This 'famous' guy got arrested for rape when he was 2,000 miles away when it happened. I feel the article is 'stretching' a little by claiming the guy was with his fiance trying on wedding dresses at the exact time the rape was occuring? Lol ya okay. But still, the guy obviously didn't commit the crime, yet was arrested for it based solely on hear-say.

I am sure his fiance loved the news.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,375001,00.html

Right, that is a good example. You can be ARRESTED for it with very little effort on the part of the accuser. For the amount of trouble it causes I see this as being a weapon that is used more and more....

Piss someone off? Your getting arrested for rape buddy!

Well so far so good :) The civil suit against her is moving along and we are working the the Assistant DA (there are like 42 assistant DA's) on what we can do criminally against her. Even though the emotions have died down some there needs to be repercussions.

So far we are are sueing for 300k :)

We will never get it all but I'm anxious to see how things unfold ..... The real problem for her is that my parent, and myself are willing to pay our attorney for a long time.

I will keep you guys informed. We would be most happy if she served some time in jail ... a weekend, a month, anything.... but just in case we will persue the civil side and see what happens....

edit: Oh and the funny thing is that what ever our Civil lawyer charges (in addition to the criminal lawyer) we just throw it on top :)

Stuff like this is the reason why I'm against the death penalty. The justice system is too imperfect.

(not trying to derail)

Drama Queens. Some day in a perfect world rapists will get shot in the face, and people who falsely claim rape will get shot in the face. And all will be well in the land.

Would it be worth it to assign the same punishment to a false accuser, as would to a person convicted of the crime?
Would it curb the false accusations, or just make people report actual crimes less often?

or just make people report actual crimes less often?

Probably that.

Considering the ease of throwing someone's life into disarray I like the idea of assigning the same punishment.

The problem the DA has is "Proving" she lied. Louisiana is one of the states that is very pro "victim" when it comes to this.

There are all sorts of things that she could be charged with... mainly beginning with things that revolve around false documents and then the purgery/lieing. There was also some blackmail involved on her part but I was unaware that I was being blackmailed at the time. That is a big one.

I won't comment specific things publicly on the blackmail but they are very interested in that aspect.

Probably that.

Being that humans under stress are flaky at best when it comes to recalling details of any crime, I can see your point.

So, what is your solution to false accusations?

Perhaps when it is found a false accusation is made, a counter investigation to see what the motivating factors were in the accusation?

No punishment when it's found to be due to the admittedly flaky recollection processes we have under stress, but more severe punishments when it's found to be malicious in nature?

I think right now the "solution" is to just go after them Civilly .... which sucks. It sucks because it costs money to higher a lawyer to do that. It also sucks because Civilly all you can get is money....as opposed to the false accuser who wanted to put you in jail (which is MUCH worse imo).

I like Sixee's idea. I would even higher a lawyer to do that on the criminal side.

As it stands each and every one of us are at risk for this time of crippling attack....

I think the problem is that legitimate victims are already notoriously likely not to say anything. Adding legal consequences to the social stigma that already exists might not deter the manipulative types and just repress the actual victims even more.

I don't have any better solution, but just think about if it happened to your sister, wife, or daughter. Assuming you didn't take care of it yourself, you wouldn't want anything holding her back from going after the bastard legally.

Adding legal consequences to the social stigma that already exists might not deter the manipulative types and just repress the actual victims even more.


I've never understood the "social stigma" aspect of that argument.

If a woman is walking home from the library wearing jeans and a t-shirt, and is raped, then there is no social stigma attached to it

If a woman is drunk at a frat party, wearing a tube top and a miniskirt with no underware and is raped, there's probably a reason her behavior is called into question.

No woman deserves to have that happen to them, but there are ways to avoid it from being a likely outcome.

That line of thinking starts out wrong from the beginning, assuming that most rapes are committed by strangers (which is false).

Even if that were the case, it's an awfully lame argument. If you get drunk, I kick your ass and take your wallet, were you "asking for it" by being an easy target? Of course not. Wrong is still wrong.

If a woman is drunk at a frat party, wearing a tube top and a miniskirt with no underware and is raped, there's probably a reason her behavior is called into question.

No bearing at all. No matter how she is dressed, what state of inebriation, or where she is, there is no justification for rape. Her behavior has no bearing on the act of rape...only the actions of the rapist. I know what you probably meant was the social aspect of her behavior being exposed in court may lead her to not press charges.

Social stigma is only part of why rape victims don't come forward. The shame they feel of being violated that way is a much bigger factor...then having to relive it in a court and see the bastard again, it's like being raped again and again.

If you get drunk, I kick your ass and take your wallet, were you "asking for it" by being an easy target? Of course not. Wrong is still wrong.

Doesn't mean it won't happen. If I'm out by myself, and I get drunk, and pass out I wouldn't be suprised (if I wake up) to find my wallet missing. Doesn't make it right, but I would own some part of what happened to me. Now if I don't get drunk when I go out alone, getting rolled would be less likely to happen.

That line of thinking starts out wrong from the beginning, assuming that most rapes are committed by strangers (which is false).

Wouldn't that mean she is even more responsible for her actions? If she goes to a party where that creepy guy that has been eyeing her for a long time is, gets drunk and passes out, isn't she somewhat responsible for what happens? Better judgement would dictate that she find out who is going to be at the party, or to not drink once she finds out the creepy guy is there.

What the !@#$ you think b/c a woman dresses provocatively or gets drunk she has no right to report a rape? That has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say.

This is the same dumb line of thinking that I heard people back home say when Scott was murdered. He partied, he did drugs, he deserved what he got. Or, he made his own bed. ... .... ... someone deserves to die? someone deserves rape? Sounds like you passed judgement before you know all sides. It's this same line of ignorant thinking that allows violent criminals to walk on our streets.

It's true in some cases women make up bullshit b/c she's pissed off at some guy. But damn it if you've ever known someone who was date raped I doubt you'd feel like "she deserved it". Someone slipping a ruffie into someone's coke has zero to do about anything except a weak ass piece of crap who has to get his thrills by rendering his vic incapable of fighting back.

I guess it's better to censor how we dress than to deal with the person committing the crime eh? It's a crock of shit. Most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows/knew. It rarely has little to do with how she dresses, rape IS NOT sexual. Get off this bullshit about how women dress already.

You know what, you just aren't worth it.

No real man would ever say a woman has rape coming to her...

And no man who is innocent should be falsely charged with this crime..... talk about a social stigma??? What about the guy who was sent through the ringer for doing nothing but pissing off a woman?


I don't then the writer meant that anyone deserves to be the reciepient of any crime.

However, if you claim I killed someone the cops won't just come and lock you up.... you claim I raped someone and you are guilty until proven innocent.

And no man who is innocent should be falsely charged with this crime..... talk about a social stigma??? What about the guy who was sent through the ringer for doing nothing but pissing off a woman?


I don't then the writer meant that anyone deserves to be the reciepient of any crime.

However, if you claim I killed someone the cops won't just come and lock you up.... you claim I raped someone and you are guilty until proven innocent.
No, you are 100% right here. I'm talking about Sixee's asinine comments here that somehow a woman could have rape coming too her because she's drunk or dressed in a way he'd deem inappropriate.

Bise,

I think I made my feelings clear on this particular situation earlier. My comments were directed to Sixee. The last few comments in this thread have 0 to do with you or your friend. If you need to know my thoughts on women who wrongly cry rape go back and read the first couple of pages of this thread.

I never said a woman has it coming because of anything. What I did say was:

No woman deserves to have that happen to them, but there are ways to avoid it from being a likely outcome.

If I had a daughter, I'd teach her that she is allowed to go out and have fun, but that she is also responsible for her situations, just as I would a boy.

If a boy went out, got drunk and got his money taken from him from someone, we'd say it was a learning experience.

Same thing with a girl getting raped. However the learning curve on that one tends to be a bit sharper than just losing your cash.

What the !@#$ you think b/c a woman dresses provocatively or gets drunk she has no right to report a rape?

What I'm saying is if you are not in certain situations, then certain things are less likely to happen to you. She still has every right to report a crime, and should. And no she doesn't "deserve" it.


I don't bungee jump nor parachute, therefore I am less likely to die, falling from a tall place. Does no one else see this logic?

I don't bungee jump nor parachute, therefore I am less likely to die, falling from a tall place. Does no one else see this logic?

Not everyone hates women the way you obviously do. Don't expect us to grok "logic" coming from that perspective.

Does no one else see this logic?

You're trying to assign fault like an insurance agent would when looking at a car accident. I get it. It is just completely wrong, morally, ethically, and contrary to what you think, logically.

Just so I'm clear, let's say hypothetically you have a daughter (I don't know one way or the other) and she goes to a party with a tube top on and has a few too many to drink. She gets raped. Would you, as her father, blame her to some degree for being raped?

Not everyone hates women the way you obviously do. Don't expect us to grok "logic" coming from that perspective.

You are getting a rep bump for the reference to Michael Valentine Smith (from Stranger In A Strange Land).

I agree with Sixee that a girl doing those things does put herself into a situation where she is more likely to be raped, and yes... if she is raped a part of me says "well, if she hadn't put herself into that situation, it wouldn't have happened", much the same way if I hear that someone died bungee jumping I say "well if they hadn't been out looking for that thrill they wouldn't have died."

That said, the girl being in that situation makes her no more deserving of being raped than does bungee jumping make a person deserving of death. Also, it should make absolutely zero difference in the accountability of the rapist. Its just as sad for a person's family if that person dies bungee jumping as if they die getting hit by a bus, is it not? Then why should a girl's dress and actions make a rape any less horrible? A rape is a rape; a rapist: a rapist... no matter what the situation.

The short dress scenario is played out so much on TV and in movies, there are these massive misconceptions that continue to be perpetuated.

First, when it comes to strangers raping strangers, it is almost never about sex or sexual attraction. It's about power. The short dress plays absolutely no factor in that situation.

Second, over 70% of rapists know their victim. This scenario of the slutty girl walking home through the wrong neighborhood and getting jumped is just not even remotely correct in most cases.

Third, 50% of rapes occur within one mile of the victim's home, and 60% take place in their home or the home or a friend, relative, or neighbor.

The stereotypes that are perpetuated by pop-culture these days are massively incorrect. If you find yourself basing your opinions on those notions, you are probably incorrect as well.

According to the support networks, like RAINN, 60% of legitimate rapes are never reported to the police at all. That's why I think it would be a mistake to further deter the people who are actually victims from reporting the crime.

Whoa...in no situation is it a womans fault if she is raped. No means no and if you keep pushing as a guy and don't stop it is rape, plin and simple. Sixee is obviously way off base and for some reason is not seeing it correctly.


You are getting a rep bump for the reference to Michael Valentine Smith (from Stranger In A Strange Land).


We don't get rep anymore! Sanchek screwed us :devil

LOL sixee sounds like a mullah... Women should wear headscarves and burkas so they won't get raped... Right? !!!

Reading comprehension FTW. Never once did I say a woman deserves to be raped. I said there are certain situations that could be mitigated to avoid them. None of the situations involved a woman saying "No" and a man forcing himself on her.

Akom understood where I was coming from. Its a horrible crime, and should be prosecuted when it truly occurs. If a guy forces himself on a woman who says no, then he's a rapist.

I'm also saying there are a variety of situations where a woman will cry rape and be either mistaken as to who did it, malicious in her accusation, or trying to aliveate her guilty conscience from having consentual sex with a guy. For these reasons alone her past behavior should be brought into question, espically if a woman has a history of crying rape to get out of a situation.


It's that kneejerk reaction that a woman who cries rape is always to be believed, that got Bise into his situation. So he's a woman hating piece of crap because he decided to challenge her accusation?


How about these guys? Women haters?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/25/innocence.project/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Duke_University_lacrosse_case
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-7277543_ITM

What would have happened if they had decided not to fight the "woman is always believed" bias?

Also, what about women that have "rape fantasies"? Is a man that plays into her fantasies a rapist? Don't say it doesn't happen, because this "woman hater" is involved with a woman now who fantasizes about just that.

Let's just review:

If a woman is drunk at a frat party, wearing a tube top and a miniskirt with no underware and is raped, there's probably a reason her behavior is called into question.

Never once did I say a woman deserves to be raped. I said there are certain situations that could be mitigated to avoid them. None of the situations involved a woman saying "No" and a man forcing himself on her.

What? Did you think the girl at the frat party was going to say "Yes" as she got raped?

Based on your own thinking:

If a boy went out, got drunk and got his money taken from him from someone, we'd say it was a learning experience.

If a guy goes out and puts himself in the situation for a manipulative bitch to falsely accuse him of rape, he had it coming. It's a learning experience!

You're reaching to put Sixee in a bad light , I don't think he means what you said he said ;P

While I understand his pitch, using a Jodi Foster sounding script isn't the best way to illustrate his point.

What it comes down to , atm in our society, a gal can have sex with a guy...wake up the next day and feel guilty and charge the guy with rape if she likes.

Somehow we need to make a clear definition and make the justice system work as intended. You know, innocent till proven guilty unless it's rape and then the guy is guilty till proven innocent really isn't as intended.

That's all well and good. In fact, my rep comment to Bise's recent update was "Good. Fuck that bitch." I have no sympathy for a false accuser.

However, Sixee clearly has some deep-seeded issues with women, judging from this thread and the recent one about child support.

Based on the climate of the thread, he thought he could get away with posting some of his woman hate and find sympathetic ears. Now that he realizes that's not the case, he's backpedaling like mad.

You don't accidentally post something like this:

If she goes to a party where that creepy guy that has been eyeing her for a long time is, gets drunk and passes out, isn't she somewhat responsible for what happens?

If it had been one sentence in one post, I could see it being a misunderstanding. He demonstrates a solid pattern of fucked-up-ness though.

I know if I had a daughter, I sure as hell wouldn't let her anywhere near him alone.

Whoa...in no situation is it a womans fault if she is raped.

True. Rape is a power/control crime, and unless you want to fault someone for appearing a suitable victim (weak, powerless, etc) assigning blame to anyone but the rapist is foolish.


We don't get rep anymore! Sanchek screwed us :devil

Actually, we can still give and receive rep. Check your User CP.

Sanchek's statistics are right on - the majority of rapes are perpetrated by acquaintances or intimates of the victim, and the majority of them *aren't* reported. I recently had to explain why rape shield laws serve a valid and important purpose to a friend of mine who had sent me a charming spam rant mail from Phyllis Schafely on the topic - much like people who are being threatened by the mob, by gangs, or are whistleblowers, victims of rape often hesitate to report the assault because of the threat of retaliation (institutional, as in the case of the Air Force Academy cadets, or personal), as well as destruction of reputation, abuse or rejection by an intimate partner, or, as in my own case, potential institutional retaliation *and* conflicted feelings about subjecting someone whom I had *thought* was a friend and the institution involved to prosecution and trial. Yes, there are women who maliciously and fraudulently report rape - but they're a minute drop in the bucket in comparison to the hundreds of thousands of rape cases that occur each year that go unreported, and while it may be humiliating and professionally damaging to be accused, at least there *is* a system of redress for it.

I would never want to see this country go back to the days where the *victim* of rape (of any gender, and rape and abuse of transsexuals is a whole other serious and underreported issue) is presumed guilty until proven "innocent" (by whatever slippery slope Taliban-esque sliding 'she asked for it' scale you wish to employ) - given the intimate nature of the crime, and the extreme humiliation, confusion, and shame that victims suffer, if we must err, it should be to take such complaints seriously until the evidence suggests otherwise.

Sincerely,
Nydia

Yes, some women cry rape. But, allot do not. Sanchek put it best, if you think a woman is raped b/c of how she dresses you're just wrong. The fact is a great deal of women do NOT even report it out of fear or other implications of accusing someone they know like a family member, friend, etc. You guys painting the picture of some woman sitting around contemplating revenge or remorse b/c she slept with a guy is not the norm. I know people from both sides of this story and both suck. Don't generalize, each situation is different.

My sister was raped and didnt report it. She didnt want to have to relive the experience via telling the police then lawyers then court. And she also didnt want people to know, she was ashamed. Its a weird thing. She told me 6 months later, and needless to say the gentleman will never have the 100% use of his left arm ever again.

I also, have a psychotic exgirlfriend who i was pretty much going to dump and she knew it, mid-sex she said if you dump me i will say you raped me tonight.

Sad thing is, all the physical evidence would of said i was there, and it would of been my word verse hers, and regardless of guilt i would ahve a lable.

Thankful she lost her mind and dumped me for some weird sect of Kabala or something.

I wonder what sixee thinks about this scenario...

A lesbian woman dresses sexy for another woman, but on her way to her dates house she is raped... Did she deserve it too, even though she isn't trying to attract a man?

Jedd, I have allready answered your asinine question. If you can't read and comprehend, then I cannot help you.

Jedd, I have allready answered your asinine question. If you can't read and comprehend, then I cannot help you.

You have not answered shit. See Sanchek's quote of your "answers"

I also, have a psychotic exgirlfriend who i was pretty much going to dump and she knew it, mid-sex she said if you dump me i will say you raped me tonight.

Sad thing is, all the physical evidence would of said i was there, and it would of been my word verse hers, and regardless of guilt i would ahve a lable.



Grey, this is exactly what I'm talking about. You would have been fighting an up hill battle from there. It would have been he said she said as far as intent. That would have went to trial. All because she SAID it ....

If I man had a phrase he could throw out and gain the power of a false accusation of rape, no one would stand for it.... Can you imagine a guy saying, "baby, you better stay with me or I'm going to tell the police you raped me!" or insert something else for rape "baby you better stay with me or I'm gunna tell the police you ________ me! "

Grey, this is exactly what I'm talking about. You would have been fighting an up hill battle from there. It would have been he said she said as far as intent. That would have went to trial. All because she SAID it ....

If I man had a phrase he could throw out and gain the power of a false accusation of rape, no one would stand for it.... Can you imagine a guy saying, "baby, you better stay with me or I'm going to tell the police you raped me!" or insert something else for rape "baby you better stay with me or I'm gunna tell the police you ________ me! "

"Baby you better stay with me, or I'm gonna tell the police you tried to kill me for the insurance money"

Eh, the way I read what Greystone wrote is that he had a relationship with this girl. It was probably known by others. It's not like some chick he had just picked up at had a nighter with or was she Grey? To me that is where I'd be cautious; one night stands..

And it also sounds like justice is coming out of this right Bise?
Was it shitty what happened? You're damn right.
Will another dumb bitch do something similar? Probably, just like another jerk will rape a woman.

It sucks, it's unfair, but you're taking a stand and doing the right thing in seeking compensation for some ho-bag who thought she could get away with this. That however, does not mean that you can then assume EVERY circumstance or situation fits to yours or your friend's experience. Sadly, life is not black and white and we need laws, courts, attorneys, and due process to decipher the gray area and we all know it's not fullproof and takes too damn long. It is best to not generalize or try to ascribe your life to that which others experience b/c we're all not the same.

It should be enlightening to see that on a forum this small with people from all walks of life and all over the place that you can find people who have experienced or who knows people from both sides of the rape coin. This is not an uncommon problem but it's not like shooting someone with a smoking gun either.

It's ironic, in the case of my nephew being wrongly accused he was able to work through that and get his charges dropped; it took long time and cost allot of money but in the end the outcome was desireable. My friend who was dated raped on the other hand? She like the person Grey mentioned was too ashamed/afraid to even report it. That seems to be a common theme, false accusations seem more abundant than REAL rape or am I just making a generalization here?

And to debunk the my friend was date raped b/c of how she dressed theory. Amazingly enough she was with a group of us at party but she wasn't drinking she had finals the next day or some silly thing. This asshole dropped something in her coke and took her away from the party. We didn't even see her until the next day and she wouldn't tell us anything about what happened, we all suspected something but she wouldn't open up. She just stuffed it all down deep and buried it with booze and drugs.

I learned about what really happened 2 years later when she confided in me. She was a lesbian, this guy did this to her b/c she was a lesbian, not b/c she was dressed skanky but b/c she had stolen his "straight" girlfriend from him and he was pissed. This is my friend who died in the boating accident with her dad. She went to shit after this date rape happened while we were in college and literally drowned herself in booze and drugs barely graduating and then after graduating decided she should try to clean herself up. Which... she was doing until she died tragically at the hands of a jerk driving his boat drunk one day... her death came one day after I married my husband... shittiest honeymoon ever and a dark omen I should have taken notice to. But that is a tale for a different thread.

Basically, all I am saying is. Rape is common, false rape accusations are common. Women not reporting real rape is common too. Each case is different, there are no winners here.

My mom was raped at 11 years old. She never reported it. She never told her parents until she told her Mom (after my grandfather had died) in my Mom's early 50s.

Other than that rape, my mother remained a virgin until she married my father because the thought of the pain she experienced was too much. She was afraid, even with how much she loved my father that she wouldn't even be able to have sex after marriage. She still bears emotional scars almost 50 years later.

Tell me in your infinite wisdom Sixee what an 11 year old girl could have done to deserve being raped, or encouraged being raped? Tell me how anything she could have done could have brought on a lifetime scarring?

I think it is fair to say Sixee would not say she deserved it. He's not a monster.

This issue is there seems to be this perception that certain behavior increases a persons likelihood of being raped. That's just asinine.

Because I don't walk down the street with a bullet proof vest on does not mean I should shoulder some of the blame for getting shot.

Rape is a crime, crimes such as rape do not require a dress code. They are a crime because they violate a human on just about every level. To sit here and try to assign blame to the victim is just wrong.

Fid, you probably have hit it on the head, rape is common, false rape is common.

I do think that Sixee has been lambasted for a comment not meant in the vein it said....

If you go to harlem and start throwing the N-word around in a gang banger presence and get killed, sure you didn't deserve to die but it would have been more prudent to not do that...... who ever was shouting it has to take some marginal responsibility for his death and or beating right?

No one ever deserves rape or being killed but putting your self in a situation that puts you at risk for anything like that as Sixee described there is some sliver of responsibility that needs to be taken. That is what I got from his statement. I think many of you took the ball and ran a little to far with it on this one.....

I do think that Sixee has been lambasted for a comment not meant in the vein it said....

Like I said, if it were a single comment, I could see that being the case.

What I get tired of is seeing women get drunk out of their mind in a group of people who are also drunk out of their minds, then decide to fuck one of them, then another, then another, and then the next morning cry rape because they took advantage of her while she was drunk. I'm sorry but if a man is going to be responsible for his actions while drunk, then the drunk bitch screaming "I WANT MORE COCK" needs to be held accountable for her actions as well. Having seen this first hand and seen the aftermath ruin the careers of three good soldiers and then her walk off with a slap on the wrist is enough to make a guy want to punch babies.

What I kind of think Sixee is getting at a little bit is, and this is only an example.

Let's say Jill the college sophomore decides to go to a kegger at the local frat house. Now she knows she gets a little crazy when she's drunk but she loves to party. She gets wasted, runs around flashing her tits to everyone, and then bangs three guys she doesn't know because she is inebriated, as are the guys banging her. Who is to blame? Should they prosecuted for it if she claims rape? Or should she have been more responsible with her drinking? What's the answer?

Elemack hit the nail on the head. I heard about that a few times myself when I was in the Army, but never actually saw it.

Taleren, what happened to your mother was horrible. I would never say she "deserved" such a despicable act to be carried out on her.

Having said that, I'm not sure what made me more upset: whether you would think I would blame her for what happened, or that you threw what happened out for all the world to see. I'm not so sure that I'd want other people to know such an intimate secret about a family member like that.

Regardless, I guess I was wrong for having brooched the subject. I suppose the current situation where women can can either pursue rape charges or not is the best situation. The fact that there are a minority of women that will use it as a method to manupilate men and the system to their own means is overshadowed by the fact that most rapes go unreported.

And I'm used to having my statements taken out of context and ran with on this site. Otherwise, the only thing left to do would be for the "usual suspects" to pick Jedd's posts apart, and the subject of Iran can only be brought up so many times.

Having said that, I'm not sure what made me more upset: whether you would think I would blame her for what happened, or that you threw what happened out for all the world to see. I'm not so sure that I'd want other people to know such an intimate secret about a family member like that.

Though this is generally a pretty anonymous site. No one that posts here has ever met me (though I might be meeting up with Fandros for a drink over Thanksgiving).

Many of us here have shared things in conversation or to make a point that we wouldn't throw out to a stranger on the street. That's something that has made this community 'great.'

No one here is going to run to my mother and say that I mentioned what happened to her. It doesn't say my Mom's name, so it's not like she's going to stumble across it googling. But many of us have added anecdotes of painful stories on this site over the years. I'm not ashamed of my mother, or what happened to my mother. I can guarantee what happened to my mother shaped my view of women growing up, and it's a huge reason that some of the things you stated earlier in the thread pissed me off so much. How do I vocalize why it bothered me so much without sharing the reasoning behind it?

Someone who has a mother, spouse, or child that got raped is going to feel significantly different about it than someone that hasn't had to see the effects of the rape years later.

Though this is generally a pretty anonymous site. No one that posts here has ever met me (though I might be meeting up with Fandros for a drink over Thanksgiving).

Many of us here have shared things in conversation or to make a point that we wouldn't throw out to a stranger on the street. That's something that has made this community 'great.'

No one here is going to run to my mother and say that I mentioned what happened to her. It doesn't say my Mom's name, so it's not like she's going to stumble across it googling. But many of us have added anecdotes of painful stories on this site over the years. I'm not ashamed of my mother, or what happened to my mother. I can guarantee what happened to my mother shaped my view of women growing up, and it's a huge reason that some of the things you stated earlier in the thread pissed me off so much. How do I vocalize why it bothered me so much without sharing the reasoning behind it?

Someone who has a mother, spouse, or child that got raped is going to feel significantly different about it than someone that hasn't had to see the effects of the rape years later.

Very well stated Tal.

In closing I would just like to say that I hope you guys see beyond what you're fed and realize that rape has jack shit zero about how you dress, what you look like, or whether you're partying. It's sad and I hope you never have someone close to you experience this.