Seems they are showing themselves...

Funny how a couple of months ago Republicans were BLASTING the Obama administration for Napolitano's memo regarding Right Wing TERRORISTS...

What a fucking JOKE the GOP has become...

As far as I know, neither Scott Roeder nor the 88 year old guy today were veterans recently returned from the Middle East. If you recall, that's the generalization the talking heads objected to. I don't see how this diminishes that objection at all.

Because the warning wasn't limited to returning veterans.. it said, hey this is possible.. but the entirety of the report was about a general rise in far right extremism..

anyway..

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200906100041

even Faux admits they were wrong about the DHS report.

btw.. listen to last 2 or 3 mins of this clip with the woman from the SPLC.

While this particular psycho is likely right wing by US standards, he seems to be motivated by racism more than economic ideology. He didn't closely fit the infamous Missouri profile, being overtly anti- christian as well as anti-semitic. Still, its a fair point. Such people *are* out there and the FBI can't ignore them.

We need to be careful though not to equate "right wing" with racism. There are plenty of racists out there who are decidedly "left wing" with regards to their economic viewpoints. Left wing white supremacist groups are rare in the US, but political parties like the UK's BNP have a definite racist reputation about them while advocating left wing fiscal policies in Europe. In this country, the left wing racists are more frequently "non-white" groups, but they are no less racist than the KKK.

The bottom line is it is impossible to closely monitor all the nut jobs out there without infringing on the freedom and privacy of the rest of us. Its a tough call how much freedom should be sacrificed to prevent these wackos from killing people.

Because the warning wasn't limited to returning veterans.. it said, hey this is possible.. but the entirety of the report was about a general rise in far right extremism..

I know the report wasn't limited to returning veterans, but did the talking heads object much to the entire thing? I'm sure there were a handful, but the general uproar wasn't about that was it? I thought most of the objection was limited to the generalization about returning veterans.

The bottom line is it is impossible to closely monitor all the nut jobs out there without infringing on the freedom and privacy of the rest of us. Its a tough call how much freedom should be sacrificed to prevent these wackos from killing people.

Those silly guys that wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights had some ideas about that.

No San..

Hannity, Rush, Levin, and the entire Faux News line up took it and twisted the DHS report as an attack on Teabaggers. Remember, the report came out at about the same time as the tea party thingies.

Additionally.. there was way more uproar about the part that warned about anti abortion groups.

The report said that veterans were being targeted by right wing hate groups to join them thereby bringing in much needed military experience. It never said that veterans were right wing terrorists and it was very specific and not generalized.

They need veterans because these groups are full of do nothing fat assed big mouths. The thing is these groups don't take into account the disdain for war that 99% of veterans have.

Targeting the teabag thing was just as screwed up, IMO.

The hardcore anti-abortion crowd is hard to defend though, since they already have a history of violence.

Targeting the teabag thing was just as screwed up, IMO.

The hardcore anti-abortion crowd is hard to defend though, since they already have a history of violence.

The teabag thing should have been targeted because it was a bunch of Morons who know nothing about the actual Boston Tea party and grossly misinterpreted it, and also because they ended up being suckered by the same idiots who got us into this. Was nothing more than political grandstanding by the republicans.

If simply being ill informed is grounds for the terrorist label, the list of domestic "terrorists" is going to be pretty damn long.

Nobody targeted the Teabaggers... No body gave shit.. but the blowhards used at as "reason to be offended" #2323423

Those silly guys that wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights had some ideas about that.

Yeah, but other silly people on the Supreme Court get to interpret those ideas and we get to live with their interpretations.

Wanted to post this earlier, but the site was down: http://www.altmuslim.com/a/a/a/3110/

Two men, one Christian and the other Muslim, commit murder just one day apart in the United States. Both appear to have been motivated by their religious beliefs. The Christian murderer is Scott Roeder and his victim is Dr. George Tiller, a physician from Wichita, KS who performed late term abortions. The Muslim murderer is Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad and his victims are Pvt. William Long and Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula who were new U.S. Army recruiters.

These two murder cases expose the media’s and our legal system’s bias against Muslims. Both crimes seem to fit the definition of terrorism motivated by religious extremism. The media and the legal system, however, are treating these alleged murderers and their crimes very differently.

The Muslim murder suspect, Mr. Muhammad, is charged with terrorism along with first degree murder. Mr. Muhammad’s faith has been front and center from the very earliest news reports. The American-Muslim community’s almost immediate repudiation of Mr. Muhammad’s murder was and still is largely ignored.

On the other hand, the Christian murder suspect, Mr. Roeder, is not being charged with terrorism. His faith has not been the focus of news reports even though there seems to be ample evidence to suggest that Mr. Roeder espouses extreme, right-wing Christian beliefs. And lastly, the media is giving anti-abortion groups ample opportunity to distance themselves from the murderous actions of one of their own.

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Wow, I didn't even hear about Abdulhakim's murders.

Wow, I didn't even hear about Abdulhakim's murders.

You're joking...right?

I've been out of touch a bit, but it definitely got less press play than the killing of the abortion doctor (which was again in the Post this morning)

I agree. I've been seeing much more coverage of the abortion doctor murder, though I was aware of the other as well. Now both will probably be overshadowed by the museum murder.

As to the terrorism charges, in my mind all three instances probably qualify since they were all ideologically motivated and meant to "send a message". I'm guessing the anti-abortion murder was not initially treated as terrorism because there was a specific victim intended and no one else was targeted. In the other two cases, the perps apparently had lists of generic targets, not specific individuals, so it is easier to call.

Actually, the suspect in the Tiller murder had been casing another clinic 45 minutes away as well, and had glued *its* doors shut *and* he'd been carting bomb materials around in his car, so I think it's safe to say he fits the defintion of 'terrorist' pretty darned well. Just because he chose to air out Dr. Tiller doesn't mean that he didn't have a pervasive pattern of clinic harassment (it's documented he did) and might not have attacked any other target he deemed suitable.

It is a clear sign of racism that the muslim murderer is charged with terrorism, and the abortionist murderer is not.

Especially when the Muslim murderer chose MILITARY targets, which is usually not considered terrorism, but rather fair game.(which is still illegal)

It is a clear sign of racism that the muslim murderer is charged with terrorism, and the abortionist murderer is not.

Especially when the Muslim murderer chose MILITARY targets, which is usually not considered terrorism, but rather fair game.(which is still illegal)


Please explain this more fully, as I have heard no mention of race being involved. While it is obviously prejudicial showing a bias toward someone who has identified with those we are fighting in the Iraq/Afghanistan conflicts and attacked soldiers on our home turf, I am not able to discern the racist aspect.

Please explain this more fully, as I have heard no mention of race being involved. While it is obviously prejudicial showing a bias toward someone who has identified with those we are fighting in the Iraq/Afghanistan conflicts and attacked soldiers on our home turf, I am not able to discern the racist aspect.


You know what I mean, stop being a San...

What else will he do then?

You know what I mean, stop being a San...

No, I do not know what you mean. What I do know is way too many people have taken to bandying the term around as an all-encompassing descriptor of anyone who shows bias of any sort.

You could be meaning a bias toward the person based on his ethnicity, or based on his religion, or based on those with whom he chooses to associate. The ethnicity could be considered a form of racism depending on the ethnicity of those making the terrorist charge. But I have not heard that being touted as much as the fact of his religious beliefs and affiliations.

It would be curious if someone were to pull a Jack Ruby on him, would that person be charged with a hate crime because of the media's labeling?

No, I do not know what you mean. What I do know is way too many people have taken to bandying the term around as an all-encompassing descriptor of anyone who shows bias of any sort.

You could be meaning a bias toward the person based on his ethnicity, or based on his religion, or based on those with whom he chooses to associate. The ethnicity could be considered a form of racism depending on the ethnicity of those making the terrorist charge. But I have not heard that being touted as much as the fact of his religious beliefs and affiliations.

It would be curious if someone were to pull a Jack Ruby on him, would that person be charged with a hate crime because of the media's labeling?

The bottom line is it is a bias based on a factor similar to the bias shown towards or against a race in racism... Stop being an asshole, and understand that you know what I meant and I don't need a lesson on the meaning of the word.

The bottom line is it is a bias based on a factor similar to the bias shown towards or against a race in racism... Stop being an asshole, and understand that you know what I meant and I don't need a lesson on the meaning of the word.


Why the vitriolic reply? What is your investment, exactly, in your charges of racism that you are willing to attack rather than discuss?

You have a history of making charges that people are biased against this or that, usually related to Iran and Ahmanutjob. I see it as entirely appropriate to ask you to explain your charge if it does not seem accurate, which I pointed out it did not, at least to me.

I would call the DC incident one of terrorism just as I would the shooting of the soldiers, but I see more of a gray area with the abortion doctor's murder and so would not be as quick to call that other than cold blooded murder.

Now, did you want to discuss any of this, or just continue acting like a pissy little kid?

Why the vitriolic reply? What is your investment, exactly, in your charges of racism that you are willing to attack rather than discuss?

You have a history of making charges that people are biased against this or that, usually related to Iran and Ahmanutjob. I see it as entirely appropriate to ask you to explain your charge if it does not seem accurate, which I pointed out it did not, at least to me.

I would call the DC incident one of terrorism just as I would the shooting of the soldiers, but I see more of a gray area with the abortion doctor's murder and so would not be as quick to call that other than cold blooded murder.

Now, did you want to discuss any of this, or just continue acting like a pissy little kid?

My charge was clear enough with the incorrect usage of the word, that you should have understood... Instead you decided to go down the path of fucktardness that Sanchek has gone down and act stupid for the sake of acting stupid.

If you don't understand, then don't respond, otherwise either comment on my intended message(which by now you should know even if you are an infant) post your own thoughts on the matter or just stfu and go read another thread.

Clearly Jedd you are looking through your usual racist glasses yourself and trying to make yourself feel better by labeling others.

Kindly , yes this'll get moved, stfu and we'll start a collection to get you the hell out of here you shit stirring fuck nut.

I imagine you're the coward in real life, tiny little plumber who cowers and just shivers in a rage to get home and act the tough.

Clearly Jedd you are looking through your usual racist glasses yourself and trying to make yourself feel better by labeling others.

Kindly , yes this'll get moved, stfu and we'll start a collection to get you the hell out of here you shit stirring fuck nut.

I imagine you're the coward in real life, tiny little plumber who cowers and just shivers in a rage to get home and act the tough.

Clearly you are off your meds again Mr. mechanic

'What else will he do then?'

- Live happily, ever, after?

It would be curious if someone were to pull a Jack Ruby on him, would that person be charged with a hate crime because of the media's labeling?

On behalf of all white, gun toting vigilantes, I'm offended....

Mr Mechanic no longer ;(

Instead I'm medically retired and working for a contractor of Microsoft ;P

Double dipping on wages anyone???

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/407189_activist13.html

not sure about this one... but prima facie... Executive Director of a Minutemen branch, known for posting articles about "subhuman Mexicans", murders 2 Mexicans...

Might have been solely drug related but just as easily not.

Might have been solely drug related but just as easily not.


OH i'd bet my right nut this had more to do with drugs than than her little hate group.
In the past year she has been involved in 3 incidents. 2 involving shootings and one an "alleged" rape and of course she cried retaliation for her minuteman activities in all 3. she is a well known wackjob in the community here. just the kinda of person to hate all mexicans except the one's with a bag of crack in thier pocket.

Ignorant drug whore?, yes.

Terrorist?, no.

Some more articles on the AZ home-invasion robbery:
http://trueslant.com/jeffhoard/2009/06/14/minuteman-group-arrested-for-murdering-family/ (has video)
AP story on google news (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i3-6vvGnEiSGwzvcTDAYeggW6KzAD98Q2RF00)
Same story on local tv station (http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=10526106&nav=HMO5ZryK)

more video (http://blackpoliticalthought.blogspot.com/2009/06/anti-immigrant-activist-shawna-forde.html) (has comments by mother of the head of the militia group claiming that the daughter was talking about home invasion robberies prior to this happening).

local paper (http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/296911)

One of the characters, Jason Eugene Bush, is a recent returnee from Iraq who went by the nickname "Gunny."

One of the characters, Jason Eugene Bush, is a recent returnee from Iraq who went by the nickname "Gunny."


"Gunny" Bush! /sigh