I wouldn't normally have made a post about this, but I wanted to point out yet another example of how sad our media is these days.

ABC News reported: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4389616&page=1



The fiery Republican with a libertarian bent survived a strong challenge to his day job in Congress on Tuesday,

Ron Paul won 70% to 30%. I'm not sure in what alternate universe that qualifies as a "strong challenge". Seriously? It wasn't even remotely close at any point.



besting a well-funded challenger.

Of course, by well-funded, they mean Peden raised $20,000 to Ron Paul's $500,000.



"I do think the presidential race has exposed some of his values and principles that are not in line with his district, and that exposure has done him harm at home," Republican primary challenger Chris Peden said of Paul.

In fact, it's the largest margin that he's ever won by at home. So much for that exposure having done him harm at home.

They're plain making this stuff up. You have to wonder if it's done on purpose, or if they're actually comprised of journalists that inept.

* Yes, I know it's just a primary, but there's no Democratic challenger this year for the general election.

not to derail from your hating on ABC news, but i always found the massive amount of republicans shitting on ron paul at every chance quite hilarious, with the obvious high point being rudy's retardation in that debate.

Its ashame he got overlooked. Fox keeping him out of the debates for one must have hurt. But we can only hope we see him again in 4 years, and luckily we don't lose him from Congress.

Was Pedan well self-funded? Note that the last quote is by Pedan, not made up by ABC. The first quoted bit seems...overstated, however.

Note that the last quote is by Pedan, not made up by ABC.
That's true. I still think the overall tone of the article is ridiculous as a whole though.

I'm not sure about him self funding. I would assume that with only $20k donated, he must have put some in himself, but I don't know how much.

Mostly it was threat of funding from GOP to try to get him out of the race, the same thing they did to Kucinach from the Dems.

"GTFO or we funnel tons of money to your primary challenger and make you fund raise until your handshaking hand bleeds"

This is why I watch and read MSNBC news always...

By Tom Curry
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WASHINGTON - The excitement of Rep. Ron Paul’s unorthodox presidential campaign has faded since last fall. The chances were always slim that Paul would get to go to the White House to collect President Bush’s endorsement, as Sen. John McCain did Wednesday.

But Paul scored a victory Tuesday night, crushing challenger Chris Peden in the Republican primary in his Texas congressional district.

Paul’s victory in his heavily Republican district means the 33-year House veteran will be around for at least another two years to voice his dismay both at America’s overseas entanglements and at Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke’s policies.

I've found MSNBC to be generally pretty decent too.

ABC news sucks so bad. I do not watch them or CBS or FoxNews. I get my news from MSNBC and CNN mostly as well as BBC.

It's sad that Paul didn't get as much exposure. He has great potential and I think I would have probably voted for him :(

Personally, I've found CNN to be just as slanted as Fox.

Personally, I've found CNN to be just as slanted as Fox.

CNN has its moments... Did you know Wolf Blitzer used to be with AIPAC?

MSNBC is my preferred news source too.

It's interesting that Sanchek, Jedd, Fildien, and I--all with significantly different political views--would agree that MSNBC is at least a decent source of news.

You're a fool if you think any news service is independant of bias - one way or the other.

Bias isn't binary, though. The magnitude matters, and given the diversity of people that find MSNBC acceptable (in this admittedly very small set), I don't think it would be unreasonable to suggest that the magnitude of MSNBC's overall bias is likely small.

Obviously, the real moral is to never depend on too few sources for your news.

Well, that too. I didn't mean to suggest that any one source should be someone's sole news source. I was just surprised that Sanchek, Jedd and I would agree on something related to politics. :P

I tend to lean toward the commentary of Alfred E. Neuman, for an unbiased viewpoint of world events.

You're a fool if you think any news service is independant of bias - one way or the other.

Human Beings have bias. Every one of us.

While I agree that some news casters have a bias that, even though they attempt to be completely impartial and succeed 90% of the time, inherent bias can show through.

Brian Williams is a good example of about as good as it can be done. Of course, it makes him very vanilla.

The scumbags are those who have a bias and twist the information to meet their own ideological ends.

CNN has its moments... Did you know Wolf Blitzer used to be with AIPAC?
Why would it be alarming at all that the son of Jewish refugees from Poland is pro-Israel?

I'm shocked that a Jewish man has a pro-Jewish stance! Hell he worked in Israel too.

Why would it be alarming at all that the son of Jewish refugees from Poland is pro-Israel?

I'm shocked that a Jewish man has a pro-Jewish stance! Hell he worked in Israel too.

Nothing wrong with it, just food for thought.

Obviously, the real moral is to never depend on too few sources for your news.


B I N G O :)

Personally, I've found CNN to be just as slanted as Fox.Just basing this off my perception, but it seems like CNN has been getting worse over the last few years. I seem to remember them being considerably more neutral a while back.

Any more I make a point of reading several news sites, especially making sure to include non-American sources.

Just basing this off my perception, but it seems like CNN has been getting worse over the last few years. I seem to remember them being considerably more neutral a while back.


I don't watch TV news much any more other than for local news because I can filter my news better by reading it, and then discussing it here. If I had to choose one of the major news networks to watch, it would probably be MSNBC.

That said, I think CNN's bias has actually gotten less over the last few years. The bias was IMO almost as bad as Fox's bias during the last two election cycles. I think by adding people like Glenn Beck and such, they've helped to somewhat lower their bias. Also, I haven't seen their news be nearly as negative as Fox news.

I tend to lean toward the commentary of Alfred E. Neuman, for an unbiased viewpoint of world events.

i dont really know what you mean by this, since commentary is by its definition biased.

anyway, for news, apart from my local paper (G-P) and SVT (swedish bbc), i like to read/watch BBC, MSNBC, sometimes CNN if whatever is going on is big enough that i want another source, and a regular hit of batshit fox news for laughs.

Heh, I don't think adding Glenn Beck lowers bias, it simply adds a new bias to the framework, and not a very bright one at that. Given his ratings, I'm surprised that CNN has bothered to keep him on. I'd rather they simply added people who are competent at analyzing what's going on in the world.

But that's why I tend to watch MSNBC instead, when I have time for TV news.

i dont really know what you mean by this, since commentary is by its definition biased.


Alfred E. Newman is a comic book character for Mad magazine (a satirical comic if you don't get it in Sweden).

i dont really know what you mean by this, since commentary is by its definition biased.




Sorry Wiggo, I was attempting to be funny with a reference to the icon of MAD Magazine, a comic book that I was first introduced to by my uncle in the early 60's (and yes, it is still around). Alfred E. Neuman looked at the world with the slogan: "What, me worry?" He was extremely counter-culture at the time the magazine was introduced. Parents would get outraged at having their kids seeing this "trash".

It was all about satire, much like the print version of what SNL and MAD TV later brought to television.

Personally I think Bush ressembles Alfred E. Neuman. Honestly Byl that news source is probably better than some outfits :)

Fildien, what an insult! Alfred should sue you.