www.aintitcoolnews.com/di...i?id=16302 (http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=16302)

some spoiler info here.. but not too bad..

i believe the real spoiler has been out for a long time...(the book...)

yea no shit... I read the "spoiler" the first time like 10 years ago...

You stupid fuckers..

No shit the main plot is known..

But the "spoiler" is in HOW they show it and WHAT they show. Why the hell do I have to explain things to you dumb bastards.

well tierfin is a stoner...

dont make me tell them how you asked if you could shave my balls...eww =/

oh jeesus christ

i believe the real spoiler has been out for a long time...(the book...) [/url]

Yeah, Jackson has been SO true to the original literature in the first two movies I can see how you would say that. HAHAHAHAHA, yeah right.
Like elves winning the fight for the humans in Helm's Deep, or Aragorn's fall off the cliff and dream about Liv Tyler for 25 minutes, or any of the other 1000 omissions, changes, and additions. The whole series has thus far been a great disappointment to me, it further confirms that film makers are too egotistical to actually film LOTR as it deserves to be shot and, rather, are too bent on satisfying the wishes of Hollywood producers and putting one's own touch on a story so good, complete, and well recognized that NOBODY needed to do ANYTHING to it in order to present it in film format.
So if you think reading ROTK is going to have much to do with the turd burger they're going to serve us up next month, you probably thought TTT was "roxx0rs", in which case grats, you are the reason they have dumbed down one of the greatest stories ever told in order to present us with the lowest common deno

deno = denominator.

Helps if you close a quote with quote tags instead of /url, but what can I say I'm slow like that.

The whole series has thus far been a great disappointment to me

You, in the list of minorities, are just below Albino, lesbian, clubfooted, Eskimos.

You, in the list of minorities, are just below Albino, lesbian, clubfooted, Eskimos.

Well be that as it may, I still consider it better that than being one of the Stupid Illiterate Teenaged Fanboys who will sit through any movie presented to them with a familiar title and Ooo and Aah as though it had come anywhere near capturing the majesty that made the original title worth licensing in the first place.

But really, the lotr films arent that good, well, the first two anyways...

'The whole series has thus far been a great disappointment to me, it further confirms that film makers are too egotistical to actually film LOTR as it deserves to be shot'

- Or film-makers are exactly that: film makers.
ISN'T THAT A CRAZY NOTION?!
You can't bash a director for not staying true to a book when he's never claimed to have done so.
The Lord of the Ring movies are extremely well done, like them or not.

yea who would of thought of ever creating 3 movies, longer then 2 hours each, with outstanding graphics, outstanding scenery, good actors, and actually building the set? man, my understanding of movies must of been way dumbed down since gumby was hot

Yea.. whatever.
www.rottentomatoes.com/m/...s-1118285/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheLordoftheRingsTheTwoTowers-1118285/)

See that link.. 98%. NO movie EVER gets rated that high..
These are people who are movie experts.. or are they teenaged fanbois too? They went to school, had jobs in, have knowledge of.. movies.. They get paid for it..
So when I say your asstastic opinions are in the small, tiny, weensy, ultra minority.. its only because its true.

besides.. Why the FUCK did you post your bullshit anyway? This thread never ASKED your thoughts on the movie..
yet for some reason you felt compelled to share it.. Why? Trying to impress people with how DIFFERENT you are? OooOoOoOOooooOOOooO
here.. take a cookie..
now STFU

Firstly, Tierfin, there are things that can be spoiled. Certain things in the movie are different then they are in the book. Won't go intomore detail then that, but yeah, there are spoilers even for those of us who know the whole story by heart.

Secondly... Whoo...

Gwindor.

Your argument seems to be that they didn't follow the exact details of the book. That argument is just as stupid as the first time I heard it when FotR came out. You even added in the trademark idiot typo's and miss spellings.

If you think that it is possible to make a good movie from a book, by not changing anything from the book, that the people making the movie are "only in it for the cash" or that anyone could even come close to what Peter Jackson and his team has done with the movies; then you are horribly ignorant and you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

So dude, do yourself a favor and get the hell out of the discussion, unless you want to make yourself look even more pathetic.

Didn't notice L2's link until just now.

Gwindor, when 98% of the entire god damned internet (and movie community) disagree's with you, you're pretty fucked.

well, typical of a lemming, you find it more impressive to side with the majority than to discuss the potential pros and cons of the actual film. unlike you, i don't find myself at all "fucked" for having my own opinions.

btw Disco: i have produced, directed, written, engineered, gaffed, and so many other tasks on feature length motion pictures that i would dare say i have about 1000 times more of a clue than you do about how and why movies are made. you are under the impression that if you speak sternly and use lots of profanity in your post that you have "owned" someone. someday, when you reach puberty, you will realize that there is more to "ownership" than a foul mouth.

Gwindor, few movies ever lived up to the books they were based on. Jurassic Park was mediocre at best; its sequel was laughable. The Three Musketers consistently suck ass on the TV screen (and I've seen at least four versions from three different countries). King Rat, while incredibly well done, could barely fit the skeleton of the story into two hours; it would have been far better as a miniseries or a six-hour behemoth of a movie.

The LOTR movies, however, are different. Why? The books contain quite a bit of tedious crap (a tradition that Robert Jordan seems to emulate). Yes, they were imaginative, epic, the forefathers of the genre, but they (especially the first) had some lousy parts.

Why copy something when it is possible to improve on it? Bombadil and the Barrow-Downs got cut from the movies. Did we miss out on anything fantastic? I think not.

lemming??? you nuts,the movies were damn good.
sure,there were certain scenes i wish were filmed different.like weathertop.i thought the end fight was a bit cheesy with the torch through the nazguls head.kinda made the nazgul a bit to laughable.
i liked the book version of the nazgul trying to lure frodo to them from within his mind.with the "come to mordor,to mordor we will take you" type stuff (seemed alot creepier in the book)then the "give us the halfling, she elf" corniness.
the special effect on Galadraiels test scene was a bit to much but thats just a nit pick.same with the sam drowning scene,i thought went on a wee bit to long.
i actually liked alot of the changes and additions like arwens expanded role alot of it was taken from the appendix in return of the king book and expanded on and fleshed out more.loved all the extra saurman stuff.
bombidil, goldberry ,old man willow/old forrest and the borrow downs not being in it didnt bother me,even in the books those were odd chapters to read.

the two towers though went a bit extreme on veering off the book but again almost most of it didnt bother me.
the elves at helms deep didnt bother me at all,kinda liked that change.the warg attack i liked,i thought was a cool addition.
the aragorn goin over the edge thing was a bit much,i dont see a reason why that was put in,except to give more screen time to arwen.but what really bothers me the most is they add that scene and cut a ton of faramir and treebeard/merry/pippin stuff out.
though i have read and seen the preveiw of the special edition commin out on nov 18, that adds alot of what was cut out.

in return of the king the only really major thing that i have heard about changed,is the scouring of the shire chapter was left out.but like bombdil,isnt really nessary for the movie.and i can understand fully why it was left out,doesnt bother me at all if its there or not.

all and all there damn good movies based on the book.theres just no way you can film the entire book chapter by chapter,it would be a season of a television show+ to get it all.
and there are a few boring spots,mostly in the first book that tend to drag.
ill still read the books once every year or so,just now i get to watch the movies as well.

lemming??? you nuts,the movies were damn good.
Your opinion (that the movies were damn good) is perfectly valid, as is my opinion (that the movies were damn disappointing). I'm not accusing people who enjoyed the movie of being lemmings. That would be foolish.

You, in the list of minorities, are just below Albino, lesbian, clubfooted, Eskimos.

See that link.. 98%. NO movie EVER gets rated that high..

Gwindor, when 98% of the entire god damned internet (and movie community) disagree's with you, you're pretty fucked.

All these comments add up to one thing: my opinion isn't strong enough to stand on its own. I'm sorry that some of you guys aren't confident enough about how you feel to justify your opinions without assuming that anyone who disagrees with you is attacking you personally. The absurdity of assuming that one internet polling site is in some way equivalent to "98% of the entire god damned internet (and movie community)" is right up there with "30 Helens Agree" from the Kids In The Hall.

If you enjoy the films, I think that's great. Several people have argued with me in this thread detailing the things they liked about the films and why they disagree with my opinion. Also good. Responding to my claims of disappointment with hostility is uncalled for and silly, though you're certainly entitled to waste your time picking fights with random people over their opinions on movies.

I read the book several years ago, its the best book I have ever read.
This movie Jackson made is the best Movie made out of a book I have ever seen. There you go.

It is not possible to put Tolkiens 1000+ pages into those movies. If so they would have to make around 6 movies out of it. You also must see that you cannot make a movie out of a book page for page. It is not possible. If you'd look behind the scenes and would learn about the INSANE efforts Jackson and his crew put into this movie, then you'd stop talking bad about it. He did the best possible job.

your opinion is one thing, i really dont care if you like it or not. but calling the majority lemmings for liking it, is a wee bit of a hyocritcal statement.
after gettin all defensive when your opinions were gettin flamed.

the movies were damn good in my "opinion" there you happy now.P

Its always tricky with movies, the only way to be as 'true' as possible to the book is to have a narrator, which totally sucks... it makes it too kiddie.

Having said that, I think that it was great, however being from New Zealand made me as involved as it was possible to be, without actually being behind the camera. If you want to see my father though, he is the man in black seated at the council of Elrond, closest to the elf. You also see him reflected in the fire of the ring when everyone is arguing. He had lines, but they edited them out. In fact, there is a huge amount still sitting on the cutting room floor, omitted even from the extended versions.

Most of my friends were involved in the production as well, whether CG, extras, stuntmen etc.

Thank god they don't follow the book word for word.
Could you imagine Tom Bombadil in a motion epic movie? I mean great character, good fun, but in a modern, action movie?
Get real. An hour of his singing and jumping around and the cinema's would be emptied.

lol Halo

I personally have missed Tom Bombadil and the whole story about the grave and spiders in the enchanted woods and so on. However, it is not possible to put everyhting in those movies. Even now the whole story is very very complicated for anyone not having read the book.
It is very hard ot understand everything because even if it does not look like, in every second of the movie you get to know more and more details about the whole history of the characters and everything.

Adding even more content would have completely overwhelmed everyone not knowing the book. When you read the book you have 1000+ pages to learn everything. It takes weeks or months to read this book and learn about middle earth and all the stories. In this movie you have around 7 hours time to learn this all.

Well be that as it may, I still consider it better that than being one of the Stupid Illiterate Teenaged Fanboys who will sit through any movie presented to them with a familiar title and Ooo and Aah as though it had come anywhere near capturing the majesty that made the original title worth licensing in the first place.

remember that quote? thats yours.. Nobody had insulted or flamed you..
You presented a extreme frindge opinion in a thread where nobody asked for it, and wasnt about what your gaffing ass thought. All I did was point out that you are in a ultra minority and the VAST majority of the worlds population disagrees with you..

Now we get this..
I'm sorry that some of you guys aren't confident enough about how you feel to justify your opinions without assuming that anyone who disagrees with you is attacking you personally
Cry me a river asshole.
You led with the personal attack after I pointed out that very very very very few people agree with you.
We call that being hypocritical

Responding to my claims of disappointment with hostility is uncalled for and silly, though you're certainly entitled to waste your time picking fights with random people over their opinions on movies.
Was it EQUALLY as silly to respond to my claims of your extreme posistion with a personal attack?
Oh wait.. no.. your a hypocrit.. I forgot.

i have produced, directed, written, engineered, gaffed, and so many other tasks on feature length motion pictures that i would dare say i have about 1000 times more of a clue than you do about how and why movies are made
I call bullshit.
And no.. filming 90 mins of your dog Fluffy humping a stuffed animal does NOT count as "Directing and Producing a feature length film"
Ok Spielburg?

It doesn't?
/sigh There goes the big time..

I think they should stay true to the book. I mean, wouldn't it be great to be able to sit down and spend three hours just gazing at the lovely countryside in new zealand, kill orcs for about 5 minutes, have Frodo whine about something, and then go back to gazing at the lovely countryside in new zealand for four more hours?

Though I'd like to see Radagast the Brown make an appearance, charm a lion or something and own some orcs. Or maybe see Legolas pick up a shiny blue object, shout, "QUAD DAMAGE" and then start gibbing some more orcs.

I call bullshit.
I call apathy. Since you don't know me, anything about me, what I do, what I went to school for, etc., your "call" means absolutely nothing. If you choose to believe that I have never worked on a feature motion picture, that is your right.

your opinion is one thing, i really dont care if you like it or not. but calling the majority lemmings for liking it, is a wee bit of a hyocritcal statement.
No, Allamar, it is not because I didn't call the "majority" lemmings "for liking it", I called the people (as quoted) lemmings for trying to use an internet popularity contest from some random site as a justification for why I must be incorrect. As I said in the post you must not have understood (or maybe you just didn't read it), it is more than sensible to have an opinion about this movie vis a vis likes and dislikes. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good.

Pssst


The Ring is destroyed at the end.

And to think i have yet to see RoTK. I guess I don't need a spoiler.

"This movie Jackson made is the best Movie made out of a book I have ever seen. There you go."

Bullshit! "Rambo - First Blood" owns it!

i have produced, directed, written, engineered, gaffed, and so many other tasks on feature length motion pictures

Wow I didnt realize that we had a movie producer, director, AND writer in our midst!!! Care to enlighten us on your "projects" there Mr.Kubrick?

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The problem here is that there is no accepted standard about a movies success aside from ticket sales.

Lord Of The Rings has been HIGHLY successful because it has sold a lot of tickets.

I liked it. I hated the books in general. I loved the story but OMFB the tedium and boredom that encompass so much of the novels just ruins it for me.

Haha

Oh its true.. gwindor IS a succesful screenwriter..
the proof is here (http://www.maddogproductions.com/plotomatic.htm)

Wow I didnt realize that we had a movie producer, director, AND writer in our midst!!! Care to enlighten us on your "projects" there Mr.Kubrick?

BWAHAHAHAHAHHA!

Godzilla VS George Bush
an original screenplay concept
by Bakka

Science Fiction: A sexy district attorney teams up with a well-built female cyborg to save the earth from aliens. In the process they deflower a nun. By the end of the movie they blow up 52 cars and end up winning the admiration of their co-workers, living happily ever after.
Think Priscilla, Queen of the Desert meets Day of the Dead.

my post was a joke based on common sense...

Allamar, it is not because I didn't call the "majority" lemmings "for liking it", I called the people (as quoted) lemmings for trying to use an internet popularity contest from some random site as a justification for why I must be incorrect.

Well be that as it may, I still consider it better that than being one of the Stupid Illiterate Teenaged Fanboys who will sit through any movie presented to them with a familiar title and Ooo and Aah as though it had come anywhere near capturing the majesty that made the original title worth licensing in the first place.

Next time look at what you wrote.

Dumbass (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=hypocrite)

All these comments add up to one thing: my opinion isn't strong enough to stand on its own.

EXACTLY

Lesbian Hookers
an original screenplay concept
by Willgatus

Romance: A kind hearted prostitute teams up with a kind hearted prostitute to find the true meaning of love. In the process they fall in love with a kind hearted prostitute. By the end of the movie they have sex with 85 ewoks and end up winning the admiration of their kind hearted prostitute, living happily ever after.

Think sex lies and videotape meets Full Metal Jacket



All this from the first try. I'm bound to be famous!

Ok its late but I will try to watch my spelling and grammar so as to not get flammed while just stating the facts.
Peter Jackson did an excellent job in creating a masterpiece in the LOTR project he had to get producers to shell out over three hundred million dollars to start production.
In order to get producers to shell out that kind of money one will show them a screen play with Liz Tyler saving Frodo at the river; It will also have her in some dream sceen in the two towers and it will have some sceen in the return of the king. Hell there will be many things that one will change from the book to create this movie adaption and make this epic movie trilogy.
Why you might ask ? well see this is the way hollywood works see they make movies for people that don't read books who just watch movies see thats where they make there money.
So in closing yes the movie differ's from the book one could never make a movie exactly like a book even if it didn't have to be sold to people that don't read as much as they go to the movies.
Me I have read the books many times and think no finer job of this epic saga made into a movie could have possibly been made. I think Peter Jackson did an excellent job of filiming all of it in New Zeland and keeping it as untainted by hollywood as possible.
Hey and on a good note many people have decided to read the books now also so over all LOTR is a win win and hey again how can any movie as popular that is going to eclipse 1 billion dollars be considered anything but one of the greatest movies of all time..... late rambling

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