So people are complaining about the patriots running up the score on other teams. Even going as far as dolphin players saying it was a kick in the teeth.

IMO, if you can't stop a team's offense why should they stop playing so your feelings arent hurt.

As far as the Dolphins complaining, i am sure in '72 when they went undefeated and beat the Patriots 51-0 they didnt sit in the locker room and go "oh man we are bad bad men"

So is running up the score bad?

Running up the score is fun, but unnecessary. College teams use to do it a lot because it helped them in the rankings. I don't think there is any place for it in the NFL though.

:devil

the unlikelyhood of the Pat tieing, but tie-beakers for playoffs are based on points scored.

Who dictates what is a good enough lead? There has been MULTIPLE 20+ point comeback wins, i do beleive Elway was famous for them. Hell there has been a 33 point comeback by the Bills. The Colts scored 21 points in 4 minutes left in the game. The 3 yard rush with 19 seconds left, was perhaps showboating, but the Pats used their 3rd string running back who played for the freaking Navel Academy....

I hate the Patriots and everything out of Boston (except my friends up there, but even they can kiss my ass). Screw them all, it was a fumble. :D

On running up the score, though, whatever. If a team can't stop the points from showing up on the board, then that is their problem. If the Pats do to the Redskins this week what they did to the Dolphins last week... I am going to be pissed. But, at my team, not the one scoring the points.

If a team complains about a score being run up, it is a bunch of sissy panzy bullshit. Stop crying and play the game better.

As far as the Dolphins complaining, i am sure in '72 when they went undefeated and beat the Patriots 51-0 they didnt sit in the locker room and go "oh man we are bad bad men" Exactly. I am sure they were loving every bit of it.

I heard a Steve Spurrier quote concerning running up the score.

"you stop trying to comeback we'll stop trying to score"

Ask the Texans about Running up the score. I don't know exactly how far up they were but the got beat after a run of unanswered points. That happened this past weekend.

29 points in the final 9 minutes of the game. to lead by 1 and lose from a field goal setting a new field goal record for the nfl of 8.

btw the kicker had been moved around the league up and down so much he still is living in a hotel in Tenn. maybe he can finally buy a house after last weekend.

This is his third season with the Titans. I have a hard time believing after 2+ years with a team that he'd be staying in a hotel.

He's also only played regular season games for the Titans. He never made it beyond camp/practice squad with the Packers, Buccaneers, and Steelers. He did play the complete 2005 and 2006 seasons in Tennessee, and obviously has played every game thusfar this season.

I thought it wild myself. But its what the commentators discussed during his last kick.

Darn and thought this was gonna be about that ass whooping i gave Grey last weekend =P

you got luck you bastard, you were sweating until the 4pm games started

After the Patriots got caught with their hands in the cookie jar earlier this year, nothing surprises me. And I would run up the score as well during the entire game till the last minute. Stuffing in a touch down in the last minute when you are up 4+ touch downs would be a bit over the top, which I don't think was the case here?

People pay good money to see Tom Brady or whoever that teams stars are... You don't pull Pavarotti out of a concert because he was singing way too well.

52-7 wow....watch washington complain that CAssell ran the ball in :)

They pulled Brady pretty late. It's all fun and games until he breaks something. Some would call it karma.

After a good night's rest I gotta say the Patriots suck. I used to give them props - it's really hard to do what they've done year in and year out. They were always a humble team, and Boston fans are easily ignored...

Then I moved to DC, where I'm surrounded by damn east coasterners.

Philly fans I can stand. Sure, they whine a lot but hey, I would too if my city hadn't won a championship in so long.

NY fans, eh. I used to loathe these people. I still hate the Yankees and what they have done to baseball, but sans salary cap it's bound to happen, and it's not like some teams aren't catching up (I feel sorry for any team in the AL East). I think my hate for these people has given way for the next group of people.

Boston "fans". Prior to 2001, no one gave a shit about the Pats. Now everyone needs a personalized license plate to match their Brady or lolmoss jersey. Again, half of these people have no idea who anyone is on their team except the marquee players. I'm not talking Bruschi or Vrabel here - I'm talking Brady and Moss, and that's frickin it.

2004 WS champs!! Here was a funny convo I once had with someone not long after-

"Hey man, Sox opener today, you pumped?"
"Yeah BRAH, I heard Dane Cook is doing the opening standup oh man is he SO FUNNY and then JOHNNY DAMON is leading off"
"He plays in NY now you dolt"

My favorite 'embarass the bandwagoning Sox fan question' used to be "Yeah, you have a great infield. Who is your 2nd baseman again?' 99% of the time this was met with blank stairs, quickly followed by boisterious reinforcement of their sox "fanhood". This doesn't work anymore, however, seeing as he hit a HR in a game at least half of Soxnation will actually watch - the World Series. I'd say sightings of Pedroia jerseys has gone up by roughly 86%, +/- 3%.

My point is Boston fans suck. I never believed someone could so easily surpass the annoyance level of NY fans, but they have done so in remarkable time. The Pats have lost their humility, and I hope, as I'm sure many do, that it costs them. I think this game against WSH sent huge signals to the rest of the league - the Pats are not only going to try to beat you, they are going to try to embarass you. People are going to take shots at Brady, and if/when he gets hurt it will be hilarious.

Why is the victor considered the "bad guy" for doing what they are supposed to do?

Are they supposed to take a knee for three downs and then punt, just because the other team is unable to stop them, and they have a 4 touchdown lead?

Vikings are my team, even tho' they perpetually suck. But if the Pats come in here and are scoring every possession, I am only going to fault the Vikings for not putting together a better defense. Being pissed at the Pats for doing what they are being paid to do is just silly.

Im with wien about this. Someone who is down 59 points and decideds to plow Brady in the 4th quarter while he throwing deep again. Is bound to happen whats 15 yards and a fine to the humilty of an asspounding in your own house. Im sure that defensive player wont even feel bad.

When if it happens seems to of been speculated on alot today.

Akipt, every city has fans when they are good. When the 49'ers where winning zomg everyone liked them, same with the Bulls...now where is all the bulls hats? It going to be like that with any sport. It is not just boston, boston's fan gets more media attention because we were the eternal underdogs for so long in baseball, and suffered a 48-10 loss in a super bowl...

Right now they are good so a lot of people jump on the bandwagon....i like the bruins, they are so-so right now, i can name i would say 80% of the team atm.

Good article for you Pats H8rs

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/071023&sportCat=nfl

Doesn't even get into Brady dumping his pregnant movie star girlfriend to date Giselle or Belichick's near obsessive vendetta vs the Jets, or the infamous Bob Kraft use Connecticut to squeeze a new stadium out of Massachusetts.

Yea... they are most definitely the bad guys..


Ain't it cool?

The article is definately written by someone who just doesnt like the patriots :)

The sainting of Manning in the article made me laugh, he is a whore. He has whored himself out to ever commercial on TV...you can't go an evening without seeing atleast 3 commecials with him in it.

AS far as "praise praise praise," sure the years they won they were good, but they were considered underdogs vs the steelers to get to the super bowl. I truely beleive that Belichick just wants to hear 1 word from the media..."dynasty." He wants to be up there with the 49'ers of montana fame. Also, his previous championships are all considered tarnished due to the cheating (which we can argue every team does he just got caught), so now he is proving he can do it.

Like the original thread said, eff them complaining about running up the score, STOP THEM FROM SCORING, delicate ego'd "professionals" shouldnt be so bitchy.

I read a good article by a sportswriter in the Mpls Star/Tribune today, tho' I did not get his name.

He basically was saying what I already have, that if Washington did not want them to score anymore they should have stopped them. If they had kicked the field goals on the two 4th down situations, I am just as sure some defensive end of the Redskins would have whined that they didn't need to do that, and could have just gone for the 1st down instead and let Washington stop them.

The Washington team played shitty, and rather than own up to that they want to make the Patriots the issue, saying they should not have kept scoring.

Reality check: people pay to watch teams score, not to sit back and say, "Okay, we have scored enough, we will coast the rest of the game."
There would be even more scathing sports stories written if the Pats were to stop trying after a certain score differential, calling them much the same names as now and worse.

Fans are fickle. /shrug

In my opinion scoring is what these guys are paid to do. If other teams can't stop them then oh well. I can see not running up a socre in elementary type functions; hell even in high school coaches will put in 3rd and 4th string when they are so far ahead...but pros? What is next; telling teams how many points they are allowed to score at all? There are just too many other realms that are bombarded with the P.C. disease leave sports out of it!

On another note; I read an article recently (forgot where) about how the Pats is one of the "whitest" teams in the NFL and how a few other of the top teams are moving that direction...the article led the readers to believe this was b/c of people like T.O., Chad Johnson etc...I found it interesting.

That's fine if they want to hang out their starters to chase records and prove their greatness, or whatever the fuck they think they're doing. When people start getting injured, however, they'll have only themselves to blame.

And next, we will have a ten run rule for professional baseball.

I'll just quote KSK (http://kissmesuzy.blogspot.com/)

Here's where I stand on the issue, Brady is a dick, Gibbs is a pussy, and Belichick is an asshole....

...Yeah, they're assholes for leaving their starters in after the Skins started to sit defensive players, but we're pussies for letting it happen. Should Brady be throwing deep jump balls to Randy Moss when they're up 42 in the fourth quarter? It seems pretty ridiculous, so why not get them to stop? Instead of going up for the ball why not just keep your feet and flip that country motherfucker on his head?

Now that's football.

And next, we will have a ten run rule for professional baseball.

I'm not advocating any kind of limit on their scoring. If they want to run up scores, they can do that. This kind of play, however, comes with risks. I think it would be good for football if Brady got hurt. Sports teams over the past couple of decades have become huge money making machines. Better talent is being drafted. Players are getting faster, they are getting stronger. Records are going to be broken - this is inevitable. What I don't want to see is every team with a uniquely talented player throwing him out there for records, which is exactly what New England is doing. It's fun until he gets destroyed. As Nekko said, what is 15 years and a miniscule fine for taking out this guy? You'd get slaps on the back all around from the entire league. If this was my team, I'd be pissed off as all hell that he was seeing action in fourth quarter routs. It's ridiculous.

For someone to think Brady is going to get destroyed is almost hilarious. Hes not a frail little old man, he can take a hit, he has a strong offensive line...someone isn't realistically going to be able to get this magical hit on him out of no where. Hes not a retard.

But it only takes one person getting blocked into his knees to cost him a year. It doesn't even have to be a malicious hit. Injuries are a fact of life in the NFL. Just putting the extra risk to Brady with the unneeded time in the game is silly.

The sainting of Manning in the article made me laugh, he is a whore. He has whored himself out to ever commercial on TV...you can't go an evening without seeing atleast 3 commecials with him in it.

Hey, I'm all for it. If someone who's a role model and acts like a role model wants to get some publicity ... great. Athletes need that kinda publicity compared to say his canine loving counterpart. I got to meet him this past summer off the field at the Academy of Achievement and he was genuinely a nice guy and pretty humble and dumps quite a bit of those commercial proceeds into his PeyBack Foundation.

The problem Kel is, what has brady done wrong that he is be villified?

He is playing too well! Thats what he has done wrong. The "haters" are just those whose teams the score gets run up on. My team I root for, The Browns!, got their asses handed to them but I was happy we at least scored a little. We didn't lose THAT bad. Poor Redskins.

He's being vilified because of the way they are handling their organization.

The Pats used to be a humble team. No longer.

I don't root for anyone the Patriots have played, or will play this season. I have no vested interest in this besides as a fan of the game.

I like the NFL how it is. You go out there to win. Not just win TODAY, but next week, next month. Part of that involves protecting your investments. THROWING YOUR STARTER OUT THERE IN THE FOURTH QUARTER TO RACK UP POINTS IS SO FUCKING STUPID. No one can make a good argument against this. "They want to do it and are able" is not a counter-argument. I have the ability to slam my nuts in a door over and over. The ability and desire to do so doesn't make it any less stupid.

Let's say Brady manages to survive the season and breaks the record. What about the next hot shot QB? He starts off good and then his coach decides to do the same thing. At the pace Brady is going, anyone who wants to break his record is going to HAVE to resort to running up scores on people. This is not good for football.

The best part is going to be Boston turning against Belichick and the Pats if Brady gets hurt.

:(:(:( Why did you hang Brady out there? /tear /tear HANG BELICHECK!

I just can't imagine why any knowledgeable sports fan would want their star player out there risking themselves for no good reason... /boggle

I understand, your point mate. I do beleive once we get passed Colts and Steelers things will change.

I wonder if NE can top this http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7393810?MSNHPHCP&GT1=10539

Read that article again Nekko. That was 72 in the first quarter (so not running up 4th quarter points), AND the opposing team had 6 turnovers in the first quarter alone. That's not running up the score. Though I really can't comment on the rest of their games considering they have outscored their opponants something like 649-0 so far this season.

Now, if the team in said article had scored the 72 in the 4th than i might agree. The article also doesn't mention whether the team left their starters in the game for just about the entire game when they jumped out to such a huge first quarter lead.

The only issue I personally see with the Pats doing what they have is they are leaving their starters in far too long and risking injury.

I hope they leave them in all year and get picked off one by one so when the Saints make it do the superbowl they won't have to face them :)

As the New England Patriots pour it on opponents, fans have to be wondering about it and Tuesday former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher said it: If the Patriots keep running up the score, will someone like Tom Brady be the victim of a retaliatory hit?

The subject of the Pats' late-game tactics is causing a lot of buzz around the NFL, particularly after Sunday's 52-7 victory over the Washington Redskins. On a CBS conference call with reporters Tuesday. Cowher noted the Patriots could be playing a dangerous game.

"At some point if this continues, someone's going to take a cheap shot,'' Cowher said. "Is that worth subjecting your players to if it comes to that?''



to me it is sad that instead of cowboying up and stopping them they would have to take a cheap shot. THat "brave" soul better be ready for what happens after...teams are very protective of their quarterbacks and Brady might not be the only one that gets hurt.

Most people that get injured get injured on freak accidents. It's not only the cheap shots Brady needs to watch out for. You are over simplifying if you think the only way this could end badly is a cheap shot.

no no no, i do beleive he could get hurt every snap that he is in play, but he is the least sacked quarterback in the nfl atm, so the chances are a cheap shot would have higher probability of injury.

Tal, I read the link, I posted it as " I wonder if the NE can top it " ..72 points in a quarter. As for getting a cheap shot on Brady im sure this plays more into there game plan, Now anyone who hits Brady is going to be scrutinized.

Go go Indy...

You damn pats h8ers! that TMQ Article was pretty funny how biased it was. Its about time they make up for the close games they had in the past! I mean as mentioned manning whores himself out to around 6-10 commercials per year, prolly gains millions of extra dollars off them alone. Last I knew when brady did his contract after his 3 super bowl wins he asked for something like 4 million less per year then Manning who had 0 rings at the time. Most of the guys there could probaly make a lot more money if they went to another team. Many choose to win rather then more money when they all ready have more then enough to live quite nicely which is something you dont see much in sports these days.

Now with said that its kinda sad because I bet next year quite a few of the free agents NE got are gonna be snagged up by other teams for quite a bit of money after their performance in NE and the team next year probaly wont be nearly as good.

So yes, Manning better be shitting out golden apples to kids in hospitals with all that money he makes, and it better be millions. I laugh when I watched a baseball game every now and then and it says "Hood Milk will donate 1000$ for every home run the Red Sox make!" ... WOW.. One-thousand-dollars in a multi billion dollar Industy! Thats the saddest advertising i've seen in my life and makes me not want to buy it ever.

How many illegitimate kids does Peyton have?

and

How many mistresses in NYC does Tony Dungy have?


How many Colts players have tested positive for steroids?

How many times have the Colts been penalized for cheating?

How many rules have been made by the NFL to combat dirty play by the Colts defensive backs?

...

Yeah the Patriots are such saints...

So yes, Manning better be shitting out golden apples to kids in hospitals with all that money he makes, and it better be millions.

That hospital wasn't named after him because he's a good football player.

How many illegitimate kids does Peyton have?

and

How many mistresses in NYC does Tony Dungy have?



oh god the moral high ground, coming form a dude who has admitted to using illegal drugs aka smokes weed....(see how rediculous that sounds?)

Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning was barely able to compose himself as he apologized to his family, friends, coaches, team, and fans Tuesday, tearfully admitting that he had in fact cheated during a 1981 game of hide and seek by deliberately hiding inside his house even though it had been declared off-limits...

ZOMG HE IS A CHEATER ZOMG ZOMG!

(sorry had to add the last part_)

My point is, the worst thing you can say about Peyton is he does too many commercials. Yeah that makes him a horrible person. You guys post about people being obviously biased against Pats, and you are biased against the Colts because Peyton does too many commercials?

Stating you hate the Colts because they are the Pats biggest rival is one thing, and totally understandable. Saying you hate Peyton because he does commercials is just stupid and petty when the Pats as a team have done many more deplorable acts as a unit (including the coach) than the Colts have.

And what the fuck does my past marijauna use have to do with anything? Did I bring up your past usage in this thread before your post? No we were talking about two sports teams (there's a huge differance for someone getting paid millions of dollars a year doing performance enhancing drugs than me doing some recreational drugs). Though it's nice you feel the need to attack me as a person because I like differant teams than you.

your negative rep hit, and post proves you missed the point good game internet for not conveying things right......what the hell does bradys kid have to do with anything, or potential mistresses have to do with anything...that is the point I was trying to make. It wasnt intended as a personal attack really wasnt bro. I <3 you.

I dont hate PAyton i just htink he is a media whore.

My only point with my prior thread (with comments I'd left out of this thread up until that point) was there are many reasons that people that aren't Patriots fans have for not being Patriots fans, even outside of them being the most dominant team of at least the last decade. My point was, there are things that certain Patriots do that are much worse than doing too many commercials.

I don't hate the Patriots for these things, but some do. I hate the Patriots because my two favorite teams are the Steelers (I was born 70 miles from Pittsburgh) and the Colts (I lived in Indiana for 15 years, my wife is from Indianapolis, my parents still live 45 miles from Indianapolis, etc.). I am by far a bigger Steeler fan, but I still love the Colts. Therefore, having both my teams taken out in the playoffs year in and year out (other than the last 2 years) by the Patriots recently has made me abhor the Patriots.

I do think each of the things I listed are much worse on an individual level than Peyton doing too many commercials though. The things I listed have nothing to do with the game at all, just like Peyton doing too many commercials doesn't either (though I'm sure you'll see several Peyton commercials during the game). When the worst thing you can say about a team though is that their quarterback has too much media presence, that's a pretty respectable and well run organization.

The negative rep hit I gave you wasn't missing the point. It was for a personal attack against me that wasn't warranted and had no place in this thread.

All the Pats will go free agency next year or two like Driz mentioned, It is awesome to see so many high end players on one team. Farve will get a couple recievers and play one more year and Gods team the Dallas cowboys will go to the superbowl in the new House of god in Dallas Texas.

Im a Houston fan personally

Well at least this thread is entertaining!

Kansas has scored 69 points on Nebraska, and still 3 1/2 minutes to go in the third quarter. Now we will see what running up a score is all about. :p

They scored the 69th and 76th points on rushing touchdowns. I wouldn't call what they did running up the score considering they only scored 7 in the 4th. They were rushing the ball at the end of the 3rd and for the 4th.

I agree Tal. It was the large number that I was looking at, figuring there would be some comments on that score. Besides, the Pats scored most of their late points the same way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ufwukWgKfI

That was very scary.