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Rover
05-29-2008, 07:21 PM
So good 'ol Scott comes out and blows the whistle and instead of the "Liberal Media" taking a serious look at his allegations, which happen to be pretty close to what was thought happened, the media seems to be more concerned that he might be a rat instead.

Lets not forget that other former Bush administration employees have come out with similiar allegations about the administration. Whats the deal here? Why is this being presented like McClellan is some rat who just shat upon the "Don"?

Malse
05-29-2008, 07:23 PM
Initiating reality control field in 5 .. 4 .. 3 .. 2 ..

Bylimet Spiritwalker
05-29-2008, 07:47 PM
So good 'ol Scott comes out and blows the whistle and instead of the "Liberal Media" taking a serious look at his allegations, which happen to be pretty close to what was thought happened, the media seems to be more concerned that he might be a rat instead.

Lets not forget that other former Bush administration employees have come out with similiar allegations about the administration. Whats the deal here? Why is this being presented like McClellan is some rat who just shat upon the "Don"?


There could possibly be some who set some stock in an obscure notion called "integrity", and the comments I hear mostly are why didn't he stand up and display his sense of principles by quitting; why didn't he ever raise these questions to his boss; why is he now doing exactly what he said was wrong with previous former staffers who wrote books following leaving the White House?

Like was said earlier on Hardball, the Press Secretary is a member of the media with better access. That may explain why those in the media are prone to be more critical of a book that they seem to agree McClellan could not have written on his own, and one that raises issues that he steadfastly defended and/or argued the opposite position of while Press Secretary and Deputy PS.

And, as far as "tell all books" from former staffers, I heard that even one of their former chefs wrote one.


One thing that has been made clearer though, is that it is not Bush and Cheney that have created this terrible state of affairs as much as the blame lies with those who bought into their we/they, us/them mindset. It does not matter who wins in November if people are going to continue with such a dysfunctional way of viewing everything; the country will continue it's decline until we are little more than a caricature of our former "greatness".

fildien
05-30-2008, 11:16 AM
Interesting perspective we must be getting our news from different sources I haven't gotten that feel from MSNBC however when I hear Ari talk about Scott I do get that feeling.

I was surprised no one has brought this up here yet. I frankly find it believeable but am amused at how the White House is trying to make it seem like he was just pissed about being pushed out.

Perhaps the most interesting thing is that this is the first time we've heard from a Bush'ite (someone this close to the administration) blasting the admin. I tend to feel like where there is smoke there is fire.

Maniacles
05-31-2008, 12:32 PM
John Stewart had Richard Clarke on, showing comments from Scott McClellan about Clarke's book that are Identical to the comments being made these days about McClellan's book.

I mean, what, even the punctuation is the same, wtf?

Rover
05-31-2008, 01:03 PM
John Stewart had Richard Clarke on, showing comments from Scott McClellan about Clarke's book that are Identical to the comments being made these days about McClellan's book.

I mean, what, even the punctuation is the same, wtf?

It's called a script. The we are so caught script...it worked on Clarke it should work on McClellan.

McClellan should just say, "look, I was part of the administration, I towed the line, now my consience is bothering me so I'm speaking out"

And the media should be saying "Lets go get the bastards in the whitehouse" But they won't because their lame and mostly controlled by corporations who benefit from Bush policy.

Kelraz Bladesinger
06-02-2008, 12:04 PM
He'll be on the Daily Show tonight, which is gonna be pretty exciting.

Fandros
06-02-2008, 12:12 PM
I have trouble with a man feeding at the table and then bitching about the food years later.

He'd have been a hero had he done it then, now he appears to be a whiner looking to make a buck.

Ailwon
06-02-2008, 12:41 PM
Looks to me like someone with a naive belief in a leader seeing what it's really like for the first time and not liking it....and trying to make a buck :devil

Fandros
06-02-2008, 12:43 PM
That could be as well Ail, tho I find it hard to believe he'd rise that high into the Politico structure without knowing what he needs to know.

Regardless, I don't see this as being anything more than a yell to sell.

Rover
06-02-2008, 04:52 PM
Or maybe his consience finally got to him.

Ailwon
06-02-2008, 05:02 PM
"Naive" may not have been the right word. Based on what he has said and his history, prior to being let go, he was very devoted to Bush....and then he started seeing what was being done and began to doubt.

Now in reality;), the fact remains that had he written a book about how conscientious Bush and his entourage have been, he'd get no play what-so-ever. The bash bush bandwagon is rolling down the hill at break neck speed, and those jumping on are making big time cash. That doesn't mean what he says is false...but it does make it suspect, IMO.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
06-02-2008, 11:17 PM
Just spit a mouthful of beer watching Fred Schneider of the B-52's on The Daily Show singing passages from McClellan's book. Jon Stewart: "Now that is an audio book!"

fildien
06-03-2008, 09:03 AM
Just spit a mouthful of beer watching Fred Schneider of the B-52's on The Daily Show singing passages from McClellan's book. Jon Stewart: "Now that is an audio book!"

I'd like to see youtube video of that :)

Fandros
06-03-2008, 09:51 AM
"Naive" may not have been the right word. Based on what he has said and his history, prior to being let go, he was very devoted to Bush....and then he started seeing what was being done and began to doubt.

Now in reality;), the fact remains that had he written a book about how conscientious Bush and his entourage have been, he'd get no play what-so-ever. The bash bush bandwagon is rolling down the hill at break neck speed, and those jumping on are making big time cash. That doesn't mean what he says is false...but it does make it suspect, IMO.

Exactly how I feel!

Sanchek
06-03-2008, 10:05 AM
It's true that Bush bashing is at an all-time high. Of course, that's been earned and should be expected. He has a higher disapproval rating than any other president in modern history.

It's not as if that's a media coup to sell books.

Fandros
06-03-2008, 10:12 AM
It's true that Bush bashing is at an all-time high. Of course, that's been earned and should be expected. He has a higher disapproval rating than any other president in modern history.

It's not as if that's a media coup to sell books.

True, so following that logic any books blasting this congress should also be warranted and sell well. It's lucky enough to have two distinctions, lower approval rating than Bush(not sure how they managed that) and also a record approval rating for Congress.

We really do have some lackluster politicians atm ;(

Sanchek
06-03-2008, 10:16 AM
Ron Paul's book opened at #1 on Amazon. That's a book by a Congressman, about how badly the Congress (among others) has failed us.

Kelraz Bladesinger
06-03-2008, 10:24 AM
Watching the interview last night my first reaction was how genuine the guy seemed. They I took a moment to remember he is a paid actor, and a good one at that. He gets an hour or two of media training a day, possibly more than any other person in the world. Not to mention he'll make a mint off his book sales.

Too little too late in my oppinion... he's just joining his old bosses making a few bucks at America's expense.

Fandros
06-03-2008, 12:56 PM
/nods Kelraz and thanks San, might have to check that book out.

ainwein
06-03-2008, 01:49 PM
The difference between the White House and the Congress in regards to public opinion being that Congress never enjoys high approval ratings, save certain anomalies such as immediately after 9/11.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
06-03-2008, 06:04 PM
I'd like to see youtube video of that :)

Should be repeated tonight at 6est/7cst.