Disclaimer: The language isn't gonna be pretty, and lastly if you know me in real life (you know who you are) you probably don't want to keep reading ... I warned you!

Saturday my friends introduced me to a fella named Jack ... and I don't think my life will ever be the same.

As a house of males all seniors in college, the objective of our existance is to naturally pick up girls. Friday night being a bit of a downer, a sketch club that will forever be remembered as a "sausage fest", we decided our redeaming night would be a Saturday Evening treck into the familiar Adam's Morgan. Never been drunk (but have been tipsy), I figured I'd try to get smashed this evening and 5 shots of Jack Daniels we were on the move. We got into the bar "Tom Toms" and satisfied with the male to female ratio (being in our favor) we spread out. 2 Hard Ciders and 3 Long Island Ice Teas later ...

... and the memory then picks up with us leaving the club. I kinda remember my friend Brendan being carted off by a pack of females all wearing leis (the flower neck thing) and carrying plastic penises. Then later I remember him exposing himself to two guys who took a picture of him peeing on the sidewalk. Then darkness ...

... I woke up around 11 AM headache free (thank god) and dragged my ass to work. Running a bit late I busted out the phone and went to call my manager when I noticed a phone number quite unfamiliar to me in the phone book. Kick ass, I think, I got a number last night. Glowing I enjoyed waiting tables more than any other time in the past, and walked with some serious tips.

However, I get home to my roomate Josh saying "Yo man, why the hell were you hitting on that fat chick all night last night." Oh no. The worst case scenerio. Did I take the role of wingman too seriously, or did I actually dig this girl? The descriptions were sketchy ... she was big, but how big no one could really tell me. She was "well groomed", whatever the fuck that means. Her number was in my phone, so we know at least that at one point in my life I had an intention of calling this mystery woman. And this my friends is where I come to you looking for advice ...

It is true that I'm no stranger to dating. Anyone who knows me in real life is probably quite familiar with "the list", the 83 names of girls who have ever happened to share spit with me on various occasions (the origin of the list is a long story in itself, and not necessarily one that'll add to this one). This list includes a variety of girls, some I'd love to see again and some I'd sooner forget (as some of you may be familiar with). "Old School" members of Final Destiny will remember Melissa, the best girl that ever happened to me ... who I dumped because she was too good. Halagar in particular, the retired Main Tank of Rest in Peace will remember trying to talk me out of attending RIP's first Avatar of War kill as the girlfriend of the time was itching to get it on. The bards of our server will remember trying to make sense of the fact that I'd up and dump an attractive nymphomaniac for no real reason at all, just that she annoyed me. So the logic of it all just seems to reason that I'm dissatisfied no matter where I turn and if I could dedicate 2 hours of my life talking to this stranger and having a great time, should I really let something as trivial as her weight get in my way?

I'm not even sure what I'm asking, maybe just a yay or nay to reinforce my decision to call her up and honor my word (that I can only assume I made) and take her out on a date. And with that, if anyone can make a suggestion better than "taking her jogging and then out for a salad" I'd appreciate it! :)

Chad, I have legitamate and pretty knowledgable advice for this, but send me an AIM, I don't want to deal with these boards for this.

The worst case scenerio.

Again, why is the "fat chick" always the worst case scenario, I ask? The way the story started out I expected you to wake up with a dildo in your ass.

--Cen

To not sound "that" shallow, coming home with a phone number you are quite proud to turn out to be any fringe or frowned apon genre would fit into the "worst case scenerio" be it devoid of personality or ugly as sin or a "fat chick".

You're still retarded for dropping the nympho, dude.

Have some fucking balls, call that girl and at least find out who the fuck you hit on all night long.
Just because she doesn't have top model measurements doesn't mean she is any less intelligent, sexy or good looking. You know.. women over 80lbs CAN be attractive you know.

I am sorry but your story sounds like a silly "I am a stupid teenager, like to drink till I have no fucking clue what I am doing, then I hit on a woman and since my friends dont think she's a good fuck, I will never see her anymore, no matter who she is, because my friends said so.. and since I was so fucking drunk I can't even remember anything from that night, I will just.. drink again tonight" story.

Nothing I'd in any way call something to be proud of.
Maybe I just understood you wrong tho...

Dear Kelraz:

It won't kill you to call her up and find out who or what you spent your evening with - it'll put your apprehensive curiosity to rest if nothing else. It might not be as bad as you think; *something* in you, even in your drunken state, saw her as worthy of hitting on, and what's the worst thing that can happen? She might be just as embarassed as you at the evening's events (after all, she spent the evening with someone who was completely wasted ;) ) and you both might be able to have a good laugh about it... Also, re the weight thing, there are worse fates than having a 'plush' partner, you narcissistic bastard ;) ....

Regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
Autonomous Collective

P.S. Please give my regards to Halagar if you hear from him; I miss him and Narie both...

The thing is ... untill now you have no clue at all what she looks like.
So she may be fat (who cares) she may be the next Naomi Campell (sp?) she may be white, black, chinese or latino ... you just don't know ...

So be a man, call her up, make a date and have the balls to be the man you "were" when you got the number from her.

Haha. count yourself lucky. if your biggest problem is that you got drunk and hit on some chick you dont remember then count yourself lucky. Me and a legion of others can tell you horror stories that begin with "well i just took a couple shots of Jack...".

In all seriousness. take responsibility and give her a call. be honest that your memory was somewhat hazy if need be. dont be mean and just take it from there. If you so choose, a little white lie (in which i mean lie to spare her feelings) could be used in which you tell her that you are seeing someone else atm and that u were just too drunk to know what u are doing and sorry that you led her on yada yada yada. You will feel better for doing the right thing instead of just ignoring the issue and then i feel guilty, maybe some fear, then i need to get drunk again to get rid of that shit, etc, etc.

youll know what to do. your a smart guy.....for a liberal :p

Fat chicks need love too. More of her to love. More cushion for the pushin. But in all seriousness i've dated a some what over weight but still cute woman before, If she has a nice body underneath some of that weight (this is if things are going along) just give her a yoga/gym membership, prolly wanna make it for 2(i.e. you and her) to avoid drama, even if you dont wanna go. Might wanna drop some hints about it before hand, such as 'i'm thinkin about getting a gym membership' or crap like that. Atleast take the yoga, flexibility is your friend. of course all this will only take place if she has potential =)

Ever get a hummer from a double jointed chick?

What some people call fat, others will call full figured. Not so much they are a little overweight, but still look pretty fuckable.

What's the problem here?
Are you afraid to call her or something?

Listen it's really simple, pick up the phone, dial the number and talk to her.
If she sounds nice ask her out on a date, if not then don't.
It's not that now she gave you her number you have to date her.
And if you date her and you don't like her, for any reason, then don't date her again.

oh and there is also a change that she was drunk as well and after you talk to you or date you never wants to see you again.

It's only a phone number not a marriage proposal.

Kids these days... Call her. Don't be a chicken shit.

I've fucked up because I thought more about what my friends thought than what I thought.

Hell, I thought I was immune to it, but I wasn't.

Thats the exact problem with it all Laeyakk. Everyone who's mentioned it "in real life" has given me shit ... and thats why I knew I had to take it here. This board may be filled with "trolls" and shit stirrers, but I figured I'd get a pretty broad set of oppinions accross the board and being quazi-anonymous I don't worry much what any of you think :)

I called her, we are going out wednesday.

Heh - so she remembered you.

I called her, we are going out wednesday.Good for you. If you like her, date her. If something elvolves from it, good for both of you. If not, then nothing lost trying.

If your friends can't understand that you might be interested in someone that isn't going to be on the cover of Vogue next month, then you might want to find a new circle of friends - one that isn't so preoccupied on what's on the outside of people.

and there is a difference between your friends being judgemental assholes and your friends offering some advice for your well being. example: "shes a total psycho and will fuck with your head, dont get involved with her". That may be some good advice

I remember when Melissa hit your "autorun" key while we were raiding in NTOV Halls of Testing... wow was it funny to see you running off at full speed into the waiting arms (jaws?) of the enemy =)

And don't take these clown's advice of "give her a gym membership" etc.

That shit is just dumb, the whole "Well..i'll like her more once I change her" thing..Gah..I dont even wanna get into it.

Here here, Darus!

The minute you start trying to 'improve' your partner, you can nail the coffin down on the relationship... it's dead. People aren't going to be anythng but what they are, and if they're going to lose weight, for example, they're going to do it in their own time and for their own reasons. And if you pull some of this crap in the guise of trying to 'help' her, you're being disengenuous both to yourself and the person you're dating, and will more likely than not *contribute* to any psychologial factors influencing the trait, not help work them out. It will only end up in the resentment pile in the end...

If you can't look at someone and like them for who they are, flaws and all, first, take a look at yourself, and second, ask yourself why you are attracted to that person in the first place... The Pygmalion project is bullshit. (omg, I swore! ;) )

Regards,
Nydia

Oh, and Kelraz, gratz on having the courage to call her and ask her out :) . I hope that it turns out to be an enjoyable, or at least enlightening, evening for both of you...

Warm regards,
Nydia

So I picked her up around ... 9:30 or so, and boy was I surprised.

First off the poor girl seems to have lost 300 pounds since we were in the club by the stories that my friends have been telling. She had a really cute face to boot, and nice hair. Admidtedly, she was tall ... (6'3" to my 6'1"), and she was a little overweight, but not a "deuce and a half" by any means of measuring.

We went out bowling, Strike Bethesda is a pretty wicked place in itself. I beat her 2 games outta 2, which is good because who doesn't like to keep the women folk down. And in between throwing those round ball things at those oblong white things, we chatted it up and had a pretty great time.

Afterwards we went back to her house, and just sat on her bed and talked for like, lets say an hour. No making out or anything, unusual for a Kelraz first date, but acceptable. She walked me to the door, I went for the hug and she went for the kiss and there was an awkward kiss quazi on the lips, and I headed for the car with a wave.

I had fun, I almost hate to admidt it. Physically she's not the type of girl I would have dated in the past and that does bother me a bit ... maybe its more that I'm bothered I feel this way than her actual appearance ... and thats where the problem repeats itself. I had a great time with her and would honestly see her again without a doubt if she was a bit skinnier ... now the question remains if I am gonna call her back and see her again.

So, you hung out and had a pretty great time.

Do you find her reasonably attractive, yes/no.

If yes, go for the 2nd date. She certainly seems interested.

If no, hey nothing wrong with having a female friend you get along with great.

I remember when Melissa hit your "autorun" key while we were raiding in NTOV Halls of Testing... wow was it funny to see you running off at full speed into the waiting arms (jaws?) of the enemy =)

Lol i remember that, she ended up wiping us.

I also remember hearing from Finrez the day after some raid, god I wish I remember where ... I blacked out at the computer, had a fever or something, and Melissa was trying to make sure I was alive and call a cab to take me to the hospital and I was too busy trying to get her to camp my character out and explain to you guys what was happening :)

First off the poor girl seems to have lost 300 pounds since we were in the club by the stories that my friends have been telling. She had a really cute face to boot, and nice hair. Admidtedly, she was tall ... (6'3" to my 6'1"), and she was a little overweight, but not a "deuce and a half" by any means of measuring.

Heh, never ever EVER trust drunk friends. =)

It really depends -- you aiming for more lip lock practice with a trophy girlfriend you can use to increase your status with your buds, or are you hoping to enjoy yourself and have fun?

There is nothing wrong with using dating as a form of social oneupmanship -- people do it all the time, and it has its own form of rewards. We are socially competative critters, many people enjoy the game. And there is the old adage that good friends tend to outlast most dating partners, so your status with your friends is in some ways more important than having a good time while dating.

Meh. =)

I also remember hearing from Finrez the day after some raid, god I wish I remember where ... I blacked out at the computer, had a fever or something, and Melissa was trying to make sure I was alive and call a cab to take me to the hospital and I was too busy trying to get her to camp my character out and explain to you guys what was happening

Lol was that the time she was freaking out because an orc pawn jumped her?

and who are these "wise" people that you think post on these boards? when u see them, plz let me know :p

Go for it.

Boner you are the wise person I was waiting for :)

If there is no physical attraction.. don't waste your time trying to make some relationship crap. People who say that they can "love" someone(not friendship, or family, or brotherly love) that they do not find attractive are full of shit. No physical attraction, and a "relationship" won't work. If you don't immediately want to get in her pants when you see her, tell her you wanna just hang out and be drinking pals!

Dude, if you wind up actually dating every chick you're wingmanning, you'll always be hitting bars stag, cuz a wingman can't get your 6 if he's busy with the 6-tonner.

There's my advice!

If there is no physical attraction.. don't waste your time trying to make some relationship crap. People who say that they can "love" someone(not friendship, or family, or brotherly love) that they do not find attractive are full of shi

Thats somewhat true but not really, things like "beauty" and "attraction" are very mentally oriented.
Its actually quite easy to find something you wern't attracted to before as attractive with, I can't think of a better way to describe it , so well not totally accurate, i'll use term "self-Brainwashing".

Example: I was recently dating an asian woman, where i'll be honest in saying I never found asian women attractive at all, but after alittle effort I convinced myself she was beautiful..and she was, and now I find most asian women attractive..not just her.

Its about changing your perception to accent the good qualities of different aspects of people.

Well I oversimpliafied it, my point has merit, basically that its possible if you really want it to be.
Do some research, read some books(actually I think that discussions already hit this board, the societal concepts of beauty and attraction).

Don't Confuse Chemical and Physical attraction either, they get muddled together often but are very different things.
From my understanding, kelraz finds her chemically attractive but not physically (chemical on otherhand is something you really cant change easily at all...)

Anyways...I've rambled on enough.

Darus is right on again here. If you had a good time with this girl, if you two felt comfortable together, if you felt 'chemistry' there... don't worry that she isn't a size 6 - it'll cease to matter pretty darned fast if you guys really have a 'hit'. If she went for the kiss on the first date, I'd say that she likes what *she* sees, and you guys could have a nice time together if you wished...

And I don't know that I agree with Laeyakk, although it's true that true friends will outlast most marriages ;) . Kelraz is still in college, and these are his school buddies he's hanging with. I don't know about others' college experiences, but those 'rat pack' college social groups tend not to last long past graduation from my observations. I only keep in touch one of my classmates from USC today, and I found most of those relationships to have been very superficial, in the final analysis. In short, if it were me I wouldn't give a rat's ass what my friends thought about someone I was dating's *appearance*. If they had severe reservations about her mental health, or some other deep-seated problem, it would be another matter, but the only negative I've heard brought up to this point is that she's kind of a big girl. Look at it this way: if they judge women that critically, how might they judge you? Do you want people that superficial and conceited for friends? If that's the scene you like, if its about landing the hot fish, so to speak, then go for it and don't have any regrets, but it seems that this doesn't sit so easy with you...

I'd ask her out again and see how it goes. And you know, as shocking as it may sound, people of the opposite sex actually make pretty good *friends*, if you find that you enjoy her company but there's no spark there... this is assuming that that suits her as well, of course :) .

Regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
Autonomous Collective

people of the opposite sex actually make pretty good *friends*

Lies.

Women are -evil-.

If there is no physical attraction.. don't waste your time trying to make some relationship crap. People who say that they can "love" someone(not friendship, or family, or brotherly love) that they do not find attractive are full of shit.

This is true for the majority of men. I wouldnt have put it this way but this is the jest of it. It is hard to be romantically involved in someone who you yourself does not find attractive.I have been there and done that and it just doesnt work. In the end the person ends up getting hurt worse then if you told the you just want to be friends.

If you have no physical attraction then tread carefully kelraz. Because the longer it goes on the more attatched this person is going to get to you.

P.S. Post a pic!!!

If you have no physical attraction then tread carefully kelraz. Because the longer it goes on the more attatched this person is going to get to you.

P.S. Post a pic!!!

Being very one sided about this, who says she even likes HIM?

;>

Being very one sided about this, who says she even likes HIM?

She walked me to the door, I went for the hug and she went for the kiss

Point being?

I think the point was that if she gave him her number and then tried to kiss him at the end of a date, she's probably interested. Though, it might just have been a mercy kiss to make him feel better when she ditches him soon. :p

Really, don't proceed in something where you think you need to change the other person's physical appearance to be happy. If you aren't attracted to begin with, it's not going to be good. Life's too short to waste time being that fake. Of course, if you're letting other people tell you what you're physically attracted to, you've got worse issues to worry about.

Have some fucking balls, call that girl and at least find out who the fuck you hit on all night long.
Just because she doesn't have top model measurements doesn't mean she is any less intelligent, sexy or good looking. You know.. women over 80lbs CAN be attractive you know.

I am sorry but your story sounds like a silly "I am a stupid teenager, like to drink till I have no fucking clue what I am doing, then I hit on a woman and since my friends dont think she's a good fuck, I will never see her anymore, no matter who she is, because my friends said so.. and since I was so fucking drunk I can't even remember anything from that night, I will just.. drink again tonight" story.

Couldn`t have said it better myself

Also i`d like to add...
2 Hard Ciders and 3 Long Island Ice Teas later ...

Lol :) reminded me of that simpsons episode with drunk Marge,dunno why though

I have been there and done that and it just doesnt work. In the end the person ends up getting hurt worse then if you told the you just want to be friends.

Im hardly being onesided. I have been in this same situation(somewhat). I was offering my opinion and experience.

As for your, "Who said she even likes him?" (this is not meant as a flame) I dont know where your from Darus but where im from if at the end of the night I go for a hug and she goes for the kiss, that to me is pretty clear that she is intrested. Would you not agree?

Women are -evil-.

Some of my best friends are evil.

I don't know about others' college experiences, but those 'rat pack' college social groups tend not to last long past graduation from my observations

Hmm. It wasn't drinking buddies, but I've got 2 very close friends I picked up in university. Would probably have more, but I only keep ~ 10 good friends ("sell my first born for" level) active at any one point. . .

Thats somewhat true but not really, things like "beauty" and "attraction" are very mentally oriented.
Its actually quite easy to find something you wern't attracted to before as attractive with, I can't think of a better way to describe it , so well not totally accurate, i'll use term "self-Brainwashing".

It is both fun and useful. =)

Pick a food you don't like that much (not detest), and see if you can learn yourself to enjoy it.

I try to do this periodically, and end up with new enjoyable dishes of food that I never ate before. I think the last thing I did it to was olives. . .

It works for physical appearance too. Remember, most of your life you have been brainwashed into believing "attractive" means "top 0.01% of the population, spend 3 hours in makeup, then airbrush away any flaws".

Self Brainwashing for me = Coffee tastes good!

...when all I really want it for is the drug.

Would you not agree?

I wouldn't agree no, many people will do it just cause its expected or to be nice, it doesn't denote interest.
Which is all I'm saying, cause some people seem to have that

"well if shes a fat girl she must be interested in a good looking guy like kelraz cause she can't do any better" Attitude.

Which Im not directing at you gerf.

Again, despite what people say, its quite possible to "force" yourself to be attracted to something/one , its a matter of willingness to, and if someone says they're simply not willing to, thats thier perogative and I'm hardly one to tell them different.

I guess the real end question, directed at Kelraz, is "what are you looking for?"

If your just looking for a trophy, or something to lay, move on and spin the wheel.
If your looking for anything serious , you probly owe it to yourself to give things you wouldn't consider a chance, because we never know where we'll find happiness.

"well if shes a fat girl she must be interested in a good looking guy like kelraz cause she can't do any better"

... but but but nobody could do any better than Kelraz!

And I mean nobody, is better than Duff Man

Ooooh Yeeahhh

Just a lil follow up ... its Sunday afternoon and she just left.

She came over last night.

bow chica bow wow

You should show her this thread that you started Kelraz. I bet you would score some points for sure. :evil

She came over last night.

Ah, another meaningful relationship with a woman you referred to as fat gets off to a good start.

kelraz had plumber therapy! oh yeah!

;p jk bro

something i learned along time ago the fat ones give the best blow-job. so go out with her once.then don't call her again. and if it's real good call her up for a 2nd one.

I wouldn't agree no, many people will do it just cause its expected or to be nice, it doesn't denote interest.

While I can understand that, what I cant understand would be he initiated a hug, she initiated a kiss. To me that would not mean she is doing it to just "be nice" or because its "expected". Now had she went for the hug and he initiated the kiss then yes your theory would be totally true, but that is not the case here thus disproving you intitial theory! Can you agree with that?

/Does the Ace Ventura pelvic thrusting motion. 'OH YEAH! DO YOU LIKE THAT! HUH? HUH!? I HAVE EXERCISED THE DEAMONS, This house is clear....

:lol

Well to back you up Gerf, I can say without a shadow of a doubt she likes me :)

Date 3 went great, she didn't spend the night this time but thats quite alright, gave me time to go raid with my guild afterwards :-D

Personally I tend to like mine a bit on the plump side because their punanis get just so damn hot and wet.... I mean I can remember being out in a field of hay, in the middle of the night, with the cold night air, and stars shining above, just banging the crap out of her tight little twat. The noise coming out of her moist little mouth carrying for miles over the fields....




Oh wait a minute, this is about plump "women".... I thought we were talking about sheep....


Hehehe...........

Move along, the show is over..

Jarg

Having sex with fat chicks is like riding a mo-ped. Fun to ride but you sure don't want your friends se ya doing it.


For anyone that wants to yell at me for another caluss(sp) statment, go die, I'm just joking.

It puts the lotion on it's skin...

im not afraid to tell my friends i road a go/mo-ped, those things are hella fun...

Bah if your friends give you shit, tell them to go pound salt up their ass if the both of you enjoy each others company. Its YOUR life not theirs, if they want to be superficial let them.

They are not being superficial they just dont like ugly people!

:lol

And if his standards of "ugly" isnt the same as them?

It was a joke Balt. Check the smiley at the end. ;)

What a moral Dilema!

Personally Kel, If you like her then date her, From what you wrote its not that you don't find her attractive but she's not drop dead gorgeous.

Finding a women that is fun to hang out with, pleasing to the eye and willing to put up with your shit is pretty damn hard to find.

If you narrow your search down to Supermodels, that are low maintenance (aka not ego basket cases), that still like you once they get to know you. Well then your really going to narrow down your playing field.

Add to that the of the 3 key factors above the Supermodel looks are the only ones that disapear then emphasis should be placed on the She's fun and I like to hang with her and she likes the real me are more important.

Do you have to be attracted ? Of course but being attracted doesn't mean you think she's the hottest girl on campus.

I still find the argument of "fat chicks are ugly" to be totally ridiculous, myself.

Go take a nice long look at the Venus of Willendorf or the Rubenesque/Victorian periods in history.

--Cen

Lol shit, thanks for the laugh Cenaden. Made my day.

Just my personal opinion here, but who wants to be with a bundle of sticks in bed, no matter how good she looks in her (designed by gay males who want everyone to look like adolescent boys anyway ;) ) clothes? Curves = sensual and yummy...

I was once seeing some superficial putz (my '10' if anyone actually read that dippy RL thread) who told me I looked 'sooo much better naked than in my clothes' (it later turned out that he also liked to wear my clothes, and sadly, *did* look better in them than I did ;) ), but really, how does one answer that? Uhm, thanks?

I have no clue why I just related that story :) . Glad to hear things are going well, Kelraz, and gratz for following your gut and letting something nice happen out of it...

Regards,
Nydia

I personally find those "bundles of bones" much more attractive. Curves are nice while in the right places. I mean, I don't like it when they're like rediculously thin, and I won't slam the door in their face if they have a little bit of extra meat on em, but past that it just starts to get me kind of grossed. I like them healthy. Going too far in either direction from healthy is bad.

Having said that, if you find yourself attracted to her, go for it, but I usually feel that without any physical attraction, a relationship is inevitably doomed to failure.

See movie " Shallow Hal " :D

Kelraz - LONG TIME NO SEE! =)

I sent you an email to your guildrip box.

Hope its still active

Wrenn !!

Very much active mate, but the power is out at my house. Will check e-mail in a week or so :-/

Nydia,
I looked 'sooo much better naked than in my clothes' I don't buy it. You can send proof to the address in my sig.

Last night had a date with a really hot girl and we hit it off. Now I've got troubles :-(

More like a choice, if it's even a choice they'd force you to make.