I know i'll probably be flamed for this but this is the NAG section and all....


What was up with the series finale of Angel lastnight? I was soo pissed off when it ended, i felt like i was jipped. I screamed damnit so loud my mom came to my room to see if i was alright. [i tend to say that when i stump my toe or drop something on it, i've a very clumsy person |I ]. I wanted to see Angel slay that dragon and he and Spike get their mortality back and for Buffy to show up and help. I cried when Wesley died :( poor man, atleast he got to be kissed by Fred [Llriya] before he died. It was cool when Llriya punched that demon in the head and made it explode /thumbs up. But still it pissed me off that the SERIES FINALE ended with the biggest cliffhanger ever.
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Gah, bastard. I started this thread in the Real Life section.

The series finale was brilliant. Joss isn't about telling the story, he's about us interpreting it. We get to decide what happens. But the ultimate message got through - you keep fighting, no matter what.
Look at Gunn and his visit to Anne (which was very cool). While she was loading the van, he asks the question posed to St. Francis of Assisi – what would you do if the world was ending? According to the story, St. Francis was hoeing a garden when this question was asked, and replied “Keep hoeing”. And Anne, the social worker, notes she’ll keep loading the van.
And that's what I'm gonna miss the most, as I did with Buffy.
The sort of television that will no longer be around if Joss and co don't make another programme. It's a rare breed that treats the viewer as intelligent, as fruitful. You'll get people who will make fun of it, who can't accept it simply because they'll laugh at the fantasy side.
But as the creator said, those people who can't get past that, aren't smart enough for the messages conveyed in the stories.

Angel was cracking. I thought the Greek-tragedy style situation of Lorne and Wesley were bloody brilliant.
And the dragon?
Hell yes! All I wanna know is... is it the same one from Season5 in Buffy? :P

I didn't realize you'd started this thread in the RL section, sorry, but i still would have liked for the series to differently. Yes i didn't like the Lorne killing Lindsy but i still think i could have ended better. I understood the " The fight never ends", but still i think it could have ended better then it did.

As for the dragon it does look like the dragon from Season 5.
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/looking for the Edit tag.

I meant i did like the Lorne killing Lindsy. Bah! so many errors in that post. That's what i get for thinking of something else while i try to type on here.

'/looking for the Edit tag.'

- No worries, I beat you to it.
Yeah the Lorne thing was.. powerful. I rewound it thinking I'd missed something, didn't quite grasp it.

A bit like Wesley shooting his father, or that guy in the leg in his office. Just don't expect someone to get a big gun out, lol.

Yea, and Lorne was so cool when he did it, "You're not part of the solution" hehe. I'm assuming Lorne left the group after that, and for Lindsy to bitch because it was a "lacky" that killed him /snicker. Then Eva was the moron she is and stayed in the Woldram & Heart building as it colapsed around her.

I dunno, I was sort of partial toward Eve. I thought she made a great bad girl at the beginning of the season. Though the whinning toward the end was.. lacking.
Lorne (Andy Hallete) gave an exceptional performance, perhaps the best of the finale. I loved his "Goodnight, folks" at the end, totally "showbiz" way to say it. That's Lorne totally.
But like I said.. very tragic his entire story. He used to be so happy, and funny, and vibrant. But you could tell, throughout this last season, he was tired and frustrated, and, well, at the end - disgusted. The close up of Lindsey washing his hands of blood (ala Macbeath) and Lorne's look.. it was great. But yeah, definately sad.
The entire thing was sad, but at the same time.. so well done. Joss can certainly do finale's well.
Such a shame Angel signed away his Shanshu though *sniff*

One thing I was hoping, though, was to see some Buffy peeps in the end. I was seriously counting on Buffy punching Hamilton, not Conner. And Willow bursting in to save Wesley with magic.
Now how AWSOME would that have been?

LOL, I looked at the title and thought it said Series Finale: Angeal. I was like, man there goes another great bard :p

Hahahaha....a great bard. That's a good one! :rollin



Maylen Bojangles

I am gonna miss Angel horribly. That and Smallville, oh and aqua teen hunger force(Sunday night Adult Swim), are really the only shows I watch. Crying frigging shame, heard rumors of a possible mini series though?

Fuck you Maylen =( Or should I say Gaylen? And where's my 60k?

:rollin

Where's my 60 billion double dollars bitch?



Maylen Bojangles

Right with your 60 million wulongs.

Touche Ang, touche indeed~ >D




Maylen Bojangles

The writing was as usual,quite brilliant. I hated to see the series end.
You know its messed up, I know a lot of people that watch and love shows like Angel and Buffy but dont know anyone who has ever participatd in Neilsen ratings.
The Lorne/Lindsy thing was way out of left field. A very nice touch.
They left the ending semi open for a reason. It hasn't been confirmed,but rumor has it uPN might pick up Angel.

Nah, all rumours have been denied now. Joss himself said there's no chance of Angel coming back.
There's still some talk of a Buffy/Angel TV movie some time next year.

Personally I want them to get working on Ripper, a Giles' spinoff for British TV.
And you just KNOW a Spike spin-off would be too cool.

Wet myself when he went to the bar to read poetry. "THAT WAS FOR CECILY!" Classic.

Charisma Carpenter in Playboy this month. Damn nice.

No kidding.
Nicest arse I've seen in a while.

Great ending!
I also heard them rumours for past 2 years that UPN was gonna take it, I am glad they are squelched now.

Angel pwns ur momza!

It would be nice if they did, they took Buffy and kept her around for what another 2 years.
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It would be nice if they did, they took Buffy and kept her around for what another 2 years.

They took Buffy and defanged it and turned it into another prime time soap opera.

Bah! Can't please all the people all the time. Though i did think the musical was stupid.

Www...HAT?!
Once More With Feeling was television gold.
Was absolutely superb.

But I do agree, the last two seasons were.. lacking.
Still, like Kiv always said, the characters/show couldn't stay as they were forever.

I have to admit I groaned when I heard that they were coming out with a Buffy musical. Howeve, once I watched I thought it was great. the writing was once again brilliant.
Spike really shouldn't sing though lol.

Have your heard his band, Ghost of the Machine?
Heh, it's not too bad actually.

Anthony Head's voice is awsome, though. As was Amber Bensons.

Have your heard his band, Ghost of the Machine
No I haven't. I did a google search but got nothin. Do you know where I could hear it?

"personally, I want to slay the dragon"

I loved the ending, full of JW's classic 1 liners. Nice to see the good guys dont always win, but was AWESOME they tried. Thought it was a great episode. Buffy's ending i was mad at certain parts but Angel I was happy with.

-Lorne
I had no clue wtf he was so mad about until he killed Lesley. Then it made all the sense, flat out cold blood killing a man, but was a good way to tie the ending of the character

-Spike
the poetry thing was hilarious. THey make you think hes getting into a fight " a couple more shots of liquid courage" and then hes " That one was for Cicily" I spit water everywhere

-Wesley
sad to see him die, but was cool he got that closure with Fred. I have to admit then Fred said somethign about him dying and being reunited i got a little choked up. THen the wizard dick saying "ok little girl give me your best shit" was classic.

A good ending to a good show.

Could someone recap the ending for us who didn't see it?

Sure.


WARNING: SPOILERS! RAWRR!












We found out, at the end of the last episode "Powerplay", that all of Angel's seemingly dangerous dealings with the Forces of Darkness were actually the result of a real sneaky plan. A while ago, Cordelia came to say goodbye, and said it with a final kiss. If you remember, Doyle did the same thing, and passed on something to Cordelia. A "gift". Angel got the visions. And that's what kick-started his plan. He saw what he had to do, the Black Thorne, working for the Senior Partners, were the top guys doing all the evil work. Kill them, and they essentially severe the Senior Partner's links to the world.
Angel has to show them that he's actually turning evil, so he pretends to fight with Wesley, Spike, Gunn and co. He has to kill Droga, though, and *pretend* that he engineered Fred's death. Finally, the biggest sacrifice.. he has to sign a document that render's the Shanshu prophercies useless. And he does it. For the greater good.

Anywho, Angel assigns everyone to a member of the Black Thorne (all of these demons have appeared in earlier episodes, so it all sort of "comes together"). Wesley to the wizard dude who sucks oxygen through his neck, Illyria to the dude with horns and his gang, Lorne and Lindsey to the guys in robes, Gunn to the Senator and her vampires, Spike to the demons who were given the baby, and finally Angel himself was going after the hillarious "duke" with his fetish slave, meanwhile, Harmony is supposed to keep Hamilton (aka Agent Smith) busy.

Before they set off, Angel gives a few speeches. About how, if they do this, they'll prove that they can be surrounded by the evil, but not corrupted by it. That in doing this, hurting the Senior Partners, they will most likely die, but they can show that for once, they aren't controlled, aren't puppets. They choose to do what they want, and they'll die fighting for that.
Angel informs them to meet in a certain alley-way when they've finished their tasks, and then gives them all the afternoon to spend how they wish, before the fighting. Gunn visits Anne (who owns the kids sancturary, and appeared in Buffy a few times), and there's some cool dialogue between them. She's loading some things on to a truck for the kids, and Gunn asks "What if I were to tell you none of the good you do matters? If the evil and the hurt is all engineered by powers you can't control? What would you do?" Anne pauses, and then says "Keep loading the truck." Lorne sings a final song. Lindsey snogs his fine arse girlfriend Eve, Angel visits his son, Conner, but Wesley.. does nothing. Because, in answer to Illyria, he has "nowhere to go that would make him feel good. Nothing to look forward to, or live for." Not since Fred died.

And then it all kicks off.

While the guys are fighting, we see Harmony in bed with Hamilton. Thinking she's keeping him busy, like Angel asked, she's actually betrayed everyone (as she did previously, and as Angel always said she would) and has told Hamilton everything. So before Angel managed to leave the office to kill the Duke, Hamilton kicks his arse. Falling through the room of the office, from his apartment, Angel encounters Harmony, and said he always knew, but didn't hold it against her. He gave her an already written resume, and the fight continues. But Hamilton is winning, big time.
All the while, Spike has managed to save the baby, Illyria has killed all of her guys, but Wesley is loosing the fight against the wizard, and Gunn, though succeeding in killing the Senator, is loosing against the mini-army of vampires.
Back to Angel, we see that he actually managed to poison the Duke's slave at a previous meeting with the Black Thorne, and so, when the Duke drinks his slave's blood, he dies from the poison. Hamilton gets pissed and before he delivers a crushing blow to Angel, is knocked through the wall by.. Connar! The two start to kick Hamilton's arse in some bloody good fighting scenes, but, as always, he gets the upper hand. As he throws Connar across the room and in to the elevator door, he tells Angel that it's useless to keep fighting him, as he is the "embodiment of the Senior Partners, their blood, their power, flows through" him. Angel replies "Guess what word you shouldn't have said," and leaps through the air, sinking his fangs in to Hamilton's neck. Sucking his blood, Angel also becomes imbued with the Senior Partners power, and kicks Hamilton's arse all over the room, eventually breaking his neck.
Flash back to Wesley. The wizard has him suspended in the air as he walks toward him. Wesley gets out a knife and says "Let's do this the old way", but it would appear the wizard knows more than just magic, and manages to block the knife, grab a sword from the wall.. and thrusts it through Wesley. At this time, Illyria comes in, and catches Wesley as he falls. She shows real emotion, human emotion.. and asks if Wesley wants her to lie to him, "one more time" (if you didn't see the previous episodes, she can take on Fred's old form, mannerisms, and such). Wesley, previously giving a speech about how he never wants Illyria to turn in to Fred again, as it kills him, replies "Yes". She does, and there's an entire touching scene between the two. "Your wound, it's mortal," she says. "Aren't we all?" he replies. He dies. As the wizard laughs, Fred stands up, and turns to him. He continues to laugh and says "Ohh, come on little girl, give it your best shot." In slow motion - and it fucking rocks - Fred changes to Illyria as she brings her arm through the air and smashes the wizards face to pieces. Ownage.
And finally it goes to Lorne and Lindsey. In a rather cool "Macbeth" scene, Lindsey tries to wash the blood off his hands and rattles on about how thrilling it was to kill lots of demons again, to Lorne's disgust. With some typically A-class Whedon dialogue, Lorne says how it's all too unsavioury for him, having told Angel before they set out that this was "it" for him, "I won't come back after this". We don't know why he seemed to fed up and dramatic then, but, as he pulls out a silenced pistol, he shoots Lindsey in the chest twice. He drops the gun, turns around, says "Goodnight folks", and walks out. Then it's clear, this just isn't what he signed up to do.
And then it's all over. Angel is the first to the back alley, and he thinks he's alone. It begins to rain, but Spike emerges from a shadow. "No one else so far". At that moment, Illyria jumps down from a rooftop, and as they look at her, noticing the missing Wesley, she merely replies "He's gone".
As they think that's it, a wounded, cut-up Gunn hobbles down from the street to meet them. At that same moment, the Senior Partners unleash hell on 'em. Demons, giants, vampires, even a fucking dragon. But they did what they had to do - show the Big Bad that it doesn't control them. And they fucked 'em up real good in doing so.
"So.. you wanna take the thirty thousand on the right, or the thirty thousand on the left?" asked Gunn. "You don't have 10 minutes to live with those wounds", replies Illyria. "Then we better hurry," he said.
"So what now?" Spike says.
There's silence.
Angel grips his sword and brings it up. "Well, personally, I wanna slay the dragon".

The End.
Yehar, I can tell a good story, eh.

Hamilton (aka Agent Smith) busy

Ya know, I said the same thing.

You forgot to mention Spike going into the rough neck bar....(I would tell it but I don't have the time)

The thing I'll always remember about "Angel" is that he got his ass kicked by Al Bundy.

Admit it Halo, being asked to paraphrase the entire episode gave you goosebumps of joy.

And... and... you actually *remember* what I say? Not sure if I should be alarmed due to the fucked up things I normally say to you, or feel genuinely touched (in the non-homoerotic way).

'Admit it Halo, being asked to paraphrase the entire episode gave you goosebumps of joy.'

- NEVER! (Although yes, it did. Hence my 5 second answer after she asked :P)

'And... and... you actually *remember* what I say? Not sure if I should be alarmed due to the fucked up things I normally say to you, or feel genuinely touched (in the non-homoerotic way). '

- Aww, baby, of course I remember what you say uhh.. uhmm.. whats your name again? Kivelty? Kovren? Kivern? Or whatever.

The world is a pretty small place.
Due to what Crist0 wrote I checked up David Boreanaz on IMDB and saw that he indeed had been in a Married With Children episode. So I clicked on the show's name, got a list of the actors, picked Katey Sagal at random (plays Peggy in MWC) and under Actress: Filmography, at the top of the list, it says "Lords of Everquest (2003) (VG) ... Lady Sakti", this not more than five minutes after I've read a rant about how Lords of Everquest beta testers get first dibs on the EQ2 beta.

Due to what Crist0 wrote I checked up David Boreanaz on IMDB and saw that he indeed had been in a Married With Children episode.


Haha did you think I was lying?

Uhm no.
I just verified it.
If I'd thought you were wrong I wouldn't have bothered going to imdb, now would I.

Actually if you thought I was right you wouldn't have bothered to double check it and see that "he indeed had been in a Married With Children episode".

Never said I thought you were right :)
I said I didn't think you were lying. Big difference.