"It disgusts me greatly"

Just wait until you see the rampant amount of ageism that will be hoisted upon McCain. That's far worse than any racism put upon Obama.

"It disgusts me greatly"

Just wait until you see the rampant amount of ageism that will be hoisted upon McCain. That's far worse than any racism put upon Obama.

Sorry, but I believe someone being senile affects their ability to lead America negatively more then the color of a persons skin.

Then whay aren't you up in arms over the average of the members in Congress?

http://congress.indiana.edu/learn_about/feature/qa_members.html#age

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_Senators_by_age

There are currently 23 members of the Senate that are the same age, if not older than him.

We focus too much on the Presidency, when the real issues exist within the Legislative Branch....

Then whay aren't you up in arms over the average of the members in Congress?

http://congress.indiana.edu/learn_about/feature/qa_members.html#age

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_Senators_by_age

There are currently 23 members of the Senate that are the same age, if not older than him.

We focus too much on the Presidency, when the real issues exist within the Legislative Branch....


Deflecting the issue won't resolve it.

23 members of congress alone do not lead the entire country. The president has much more power then those 23 members.

The President doesn't lead the country, either,
Nor does the Supreme Court.

We the People do, for the most part, through our actions, or in many cases, inactions....

I think Sixee has a valid point.

People shouldn't not vote for McCain because he's in his 70s. They should vote for or against him on the merits of his actions. If he starts acting senile, that's the issue itself, not his age directly. People can develop Alzheimer's in their 40s. Should we exclude anyone over 40 from running because there's a higher risk for disease? I get sick more often now than when I was a teenager. Should our president have to be under 25 to thwart this? Where's it stop, what kind of cut off? Arguing against him strictly on his age is no different than arguing against Hillary strictly for being a woman or against Obama for being black.

I can't say it doesn't concern me a bit about his age, and potential of health issues while in office. There's risk for that for anyone who's elected though. If a person is leaning on this as a major hurdle, than they should also look more closely at his running mate. I don't think his age should be a deciding factor though for anyone about McCain, just like I don't think Obama's race should factor into it. We all know it will, and anyone who dismisses either candidate strictly based on age or race is a moron.

Vote for or against a candidate based upon actions they can control, not on things that are out of their power to control.

Sorry, but I believe someone being senile affects their ability to lead America negatively more then the color of a persons skin.


Thats your opionion, however age discrimination is still very wrong with laws to protect it. However one should be able to find plenty of reasons not to vote for McCain that his age should be a non issue. If you can't you may be voting for all the wrong reasons.

"Sorry, but I believe someone being black affects their ability to lead America negatively more then their age."

Change a couple words, same wrong and disgusting sentiment.

lol?

wow, just...wow.

"Sorry, but I believe someone being black affects their ability to lead America negatively more then their age."

Change a couple words, same wrong and disgusting sentiment.

Yea, if you have an IQ of 5

The President doesn't lead the country, either,
Nor does the Supreme Court.

We the People do, for the most part, through our actions, or in many cases, inactions....

So it was us who started the War on Terror without a declaration from Congress or support from the UN, or approval of Congress???

So it was us who started the War on Terror without a declaration from Congress or support from the UN, or approval of Congress???

That argument could be made. We as the American Public didn't have to re-elect GWB and his cronies. We could have demanded more proof before leaving Afghanistan to play with Saddam in Iraq.

I didn't know we needed UN approval to take actions against those that attacked us....but what do I know?

And Jedd if that takes an IQ of 5, what was your IQ when you wrote your comment about age?

"Sorry, but I believe someone being black affects their ability to lead America negatively more then their age."

Change a couple words, same wrong and disgusting sentiment.

Or a Freudian slip?

I didn't know we needed UN approval to take actions against those that attacked us....but what do I know?



he quite clearly said UN support, not approval. also, iraq never attacked you, back to school sir.

And Jedd if that takes an IQ of 5, what was your IQ when you wrote your comment about age?

It also takes an IQ of 3 to think that what I said and what he said are the same thing.

he quite clearly said UN support, not approval. also, iraq never attacked you, back to school sir.

The UN will support something it does not approve of ? /boggle

Note: I never said anything about Iraq. Back to reading comprehension for you.

Jedd, when does the rubber and glue argument get brought out?

If you are gonna dislike McCain, dislike him for something tangible like his voting record.

The UN will support something it does not approve of ? /boggle

Note: I never said anything about Iraq. Back to reading comprehension for you.

Jedd, when does the rubber and glue argument get brought out?

If you are gonna dislike McCain, dislike him for something tangible like his voting record.

I would not make my decision to vote or not vote on McCain based on his age personally, but do not blame others who would add that to the list of issues they have with him.

As should be very clear without need for explanation, there is no negative to being black, where as an old man has increased chances to suffer from many ailments including loss of memory.

there is no negative to being black

for the purposes of cutting off someone else from saying it, they have increase chance for sickle cell...

Apparently there has been a lot of racism thrown at the Obama staffers...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24588813/

It disgusts me greatly


I am unhappy seeing that bigotry displayed as well jedd, but I find it ironic that you engage in the same discriminatory thinking that you are disgusted by.

Furtivus' post was very clear in showing that both age and race can be used to discriminate, and you blew that off with a snide comment. You are as much a bigot as those people calling Obama's staffers names. Your form of prejudice just happens to be for something other than race.

Except we'll all get old some day?

It's no where near close. Stop reaching.

People are discriminated against for lots of reasons. To act like they are all equal and the same is fucking stupid.

I am unhappy seeing that bigotry displayed as well jedd, but I find it ironic that you engage in the same discriminatory thinking that you are disgusted by.

Furtivus' post was very clear in showing that both age and race can be used to discriminate, and you blew that off with a snide comment. You are as much a bigot as those people calling Obama's staffers names. Your form of prejudice just happens to be for something other than race.

Sorry, but that is BS.

I never made disgusting comments about the man's age, or said that it is the reason people should not vote for him. I simply posted that I see how age is a factor in the decision making in regards to voting for John McCain or not.

If John McCain was the perfect candidate to me, and an old man. I would not give someone else my vote because of it, but it is just another on a list of reasons why he may not be a good choice.

Now try and say the same regarding a black man, and it is nowhere near the same statement, and is 100% racist.

There is a huge difference, and like I said earlier.

An older president is at higher risk of death or illness/Memory loss, then a Black president.

If you don't agree, fine.. But don't you dare call it a prejudice.

Greystone, I thought Sickle Cell was proven to effect all races within mosquito infested areas....?

Sickle-cell disease occurs more commonly in people (or their descendants) from parts of the world such as sub-Saharan Africa, where malaria is or was common, but it also occurs in people of other ethnicities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle-cell_disease

I would not make my decision to vote or not vote on McCain based on his age personally, but do not blame others who would add that to the list of issues they have with him.

As should be very clear without need for explanation, there is no negative to being black, where as an old man has increased chances to suffer from many ailments including loss of memory.


Do you have statistics to prove this with regards to memory loss. Can someone prove that McCain has memory loss and at what rate. You are bigot from the word go, its good to see your true colors come out. OMG HES OLD!!!

Do you have statistics to prove this with regards to memory loss. Can someone prove that McCain has memory loss and at what rate. You are bigot from the word go, its good to see your true colors come out. OMG HES OLD!!!

How the fuck is thinking an old man is not best for the most important job in the world, being a bigot? He already has proven he forgets the difference between shia and sunni... Yes, There is proof that McCain isn't always thinking straight.

You are ridiculous.

why are you people even arguing about this shit? the human body degenerates as time passes, its not a myth!

"An older president is at higher risk of death or illness/Memory loss, then a Black president."

You're stereotyping is eerily familiar to the blatant stereotyping against blacks. You're failure is the inability to see that your discrimination is exactly the same.

You're stereotyping a group and applying that stereotype to an individual rather than looking at the individual.

"He already has proven he forgets the difference between shia and sunni... Yes, There is proof that McCain isn't always thinking straight."

Says the guy whose candidate said there were 57 states. But McCain misspoke because he is old; Obama was just tired...

OMG Jedd is ridiculous.!!!!!!!!!!111

"An older president is at higher risk of death or illness/Memory loss, then a Black president."

You're stereotyping is eerily familiar to the blatant stereotyping against blacks. You're failure is the inability to see that your discrimination is exactly the same.

You're stereotyping a group and applying that stereotype to an individual rather than looking at the individual.

/sigh

Since you people seem to not know what happens to people as they get older...

Aging Happens to All of UsAs people age many changes occur. Look at some of your baby pictures and look into a mirror. Have you changed? Of course you have. You have aged.
Aging is a process of growth. As we grow our skin changes and becomes more wrinkled and our hair may become more gray. Eyesight and hearing may diminish and glasses or hearing devices may be needed.

Aging bones gradually lose their calcium, become weakened and fracture easily. This loss is inevitable. It may be slowed by increasing physical activity and eating foods rich in calcium (for example dairy products, sardines, salmon and raw vegetables) but it can’t be stopped.

Frequently, an older person may be very sensitive to temperature because of circulation problems, loss of body fat and other changes. For example, your older relative may ask for a sweater because they are cold and you could be roasting.
Usually, weight generally decreases due to muscle loss. Body fat shifts to the lower body and hips. This effects how an older person functions.



Age-Associated Memory Impairment (AAMI) Age-Associate Memory Impairment (AAMI) refers to a normal decline in memory due to aging.


Some decline in memory (http://www.memorylossonline.com/glossary/memory.html) is normal as we age. This often takes the form of "memory lapses" (e.g., forgetting where you left your glasses). Older memories and memories of personal information (e.g. the names of family members) tend to survive well into old age.



Individuals with AAMI may show this kind of memory decline, but it is within the limits of what is considered "normal" for their age group. Memory decline which is more severe or consistent may be classified as Mild Cognitive Impairment (http://www.memorylossonline.com/glossary/mci.html) and may indicate the early stages of a condition such as dementia (http://www.memorylossonline.com/glossary/dementia.html).


In the 1980s, a group of scientists and physicians at the National Institutes of Health developed a set of standards for diagnosing AAMI.


A patient may be considered to have AAMI if he or she is at least 50 years old and meets all of the following criteria:

The patient has noticed a decline in memory performance.
The patient performs below "normal" levels on a standard test of memory.
All other obvious causes of memory decline, except normal aging, have been ruled out. (In other words, the memory decline cannot be attributed to other causes such as a recent heart attack or head injury, depression, adverse reactions to medication, Alzheimer's disease, etc.)

How can I be a bigot about something that will one day be myself?

But Obama is black he is most likely to use Crack Cocaine as well, how the hell can he run our country on CRACK!!!

I bet McCain has Dementia as well, he is getting up there.

that is some badass trolling ibudin, i salute thee.

But Obama is black he is most likely to use Crack Cocaine as well, how the hell can he run our country on CRACK!!!

I bet McCain has Dementia as well, he is getting up there.

Let me explain it for someone who has trouble understanding english.

If it is something 1 black person chooses to do, and you apply it to all black people it is racism.

If it is something that happens to all old people or is increased dramatically in older people and will one day happen to you, and you apply it to the reasoning for choosing a president... You are not a bigot.

"If it is something 1 black person chooses to do, and you apply it to all black people it is racism.

If it is something that happens to all old people or is increased dramatically in older people and will one day happen to you, and you apply it to the reasoning for choosing a president... You are not a bigot."

That's some twisted Jeddlogic there. Go ahead and continue making excuses for your bigotry.

"If it is something 1 black person chooses to do, and you apply it to all black people it is racism.

If it is something that happens to all old people or is increased dramatically in older people and will one day happen to you, and you apply it to the reasoning for choosing a president... You are not a bigot."

That's some twisted Jeddlogic there. Go ahead and continue making excuses for your bigotry.

So when I become an old man, will I not be a bigot anymore? You are so funny!

Just as we have many examples of old members of society becoming frail and losing their faculties, we also see examples (usually the fluff pieces on the news) of people in their 80's and 90's who are physically fit and actively engaged in their communities, showing no signs of incapacitation due to age.

McCain was born in 1936. Jack Kemp was born in 1935, and I would dearly love to see him running in this election.

Just as we have many examples of old members of society becoming frail and losing their faculties, we also see examples (usually the fluff pieces on the news) of people in their 80's and 90's who are physically fit and actively engaged in their communities, showing no signs of incapacitation due to age.

McCain was born in 1936. Jack Kemp was born in 1935, and I would dearly love to see him running in this election.

There is an exception to every rule. That doesn't mean that people fearing that McCain may be too old to be president are bigots.

Fearing Obama is too black makes you a bigot.

bylimet, you cannot deny the fact that as you get older, the body degenerates, and the chance of you suffering from various ailments rises greatly, can you?

bylimet, you cannot deny the fact that as you get older, the body degenerates, and the chance of you suffering from various ailments rises greatly, can you?

He isn't. But once again Jedd is assuming because he is of a certain age he must exhibit "said" problems. He is generalizing, much like saying a black man in America is most likely to be a crack user.

He isn't. But once again Jedd is assuming because he is of a certain age he must exhibit "said" problems. He is generalizing, much like saying a black man in America is most likely to be a crack user.

When the hell did I say that?

I said it is a valid concern to believe that his old age may be an issue with him being the choice for president, BECAUSE of the POSSIBILITIES that OLD AGE brings with it.

And I find it hilarious that I am a bigot towards old people now... I guess I should go tell my grandfather and grandmother to fuck off cause I hate old people.

And I also think some old people should not have the right to drive because of their FAILING EYESIGHT. I must be a huge bigot for that one.

bylimet, you cannot deny the fact that as you get older, the body degenerates, and the chance of you suffering from various ailments rises greatly, can you?

Nowhere have I denied that.

My only contention is that the manner in which jedd presented his case against voting for McCain due to age was bigoted in the same sense of the person who says that they won't vote for Obama because he is black. It is reducing an individual to a generalized stereotype, and usually done so in negative fashion.


Hell, I have watched my own body start causing me more problems since passing 50.

"It's going to be a big one in the coming months."

It's equally as important as Obama's race or Hillary's gender is to the contest (i.e. a factor that people will consider but shouldn't based on gender, race, or age stereotypes as Jedd is doing).

4 of 9 Supreme Court justices are older than McCain. 2 more are approximately the same age.

I make no claims as to its validity. That would be the point of having a thread about it.

Regardless, it will absolutely be discussed to death in the upcoming months.

"bylimet, you cannot deny the fact that as you get older, the body degenerates, and the chance of you suffering from various ailments rises greatly, can you?"

It's also undeniable that a black man is more likely to end up in prison than a white or hispanic man. Does that make it right to take that stereotype (supported by undeniable statistics) and apply it to the individual? No, it doesn't make it right whether it's an age or a race or a gender stereotype.

"bylimet, you cannot deny the fact that as you get older, the body degenerates, and the chance of you suffering from various ailments rises greatly, can you?"

It's also undeniable that a black man is more likely to end up in prison than a white or hispanic man. Does that make it right to take that stereotype (supported by undeniable statistics) and apply it to the individual? No, it doesn't make it right whether it's an age or a race or a gender stereotype.

Those 2 are utterly incomparable.

One is a health statistic based on studies over many years regarding the human body.

The other is a statistic of criminal activity, and has nothing to do with the ability of the person to lead.

I would rather be driven by a young black man, then an old black man.

I would rather be driven by a young white man, then an old white man.

This is not bigotry. It is a decision made based on the statistics laid before society.

Bigotry is if I...

would rather be driven by a white man of any age, rather then a black man of any age.

I will one day be an old man, and I will understand completely if someone would not like me as a 75+ year old man to drive them or their children around, or if they do not want me leading the country.

These comparisons aren't good.

It's not inevitable that Obama will someday end up in prison, but it is inevitable (supported by undeniable statistics) that we will all deteriorate, mentally and physically, with age. Trying to bring statistics into the picture only draws more light to that fact.

"It's not inevitable that Obama will someday end up in prison, but it is inevitable (supported by undeniable statistics) that we will all deteriorate, mentally and physically, with age."

That's irrelevant though Sanchek. It's the point of applying a statistic to a group of people (based on age, race, or gender) and assuming automatically it applies to the individual. It is not inevitable that McCain will suffer from the stereotypes assumed by Jedd anymore than it is inevitable Obama would suffer from the same stereotypes. Is it possible? Sure, ask Mayor Barry.

"It's not inevitable that Obama will someday end up in prison, but it is inevitable (supported by undeniable statistics) that we will all deteriorate, mentally and physically, with age."

That's irrelevant though Sanchek. It's the point of applying a statistic to a group of people (based on age, race, or gender) and assuming automatically it applies to the individual. It is not inevitable that McCain will suffer from the stereotypes assumed by Jedd anymore than it is inevitable Obama would suffer from the same stereotypes. Is it possible? Sure, ask Mayor Barry.

Seeing as how McCain is in a constant state of degeneration due to his old age and will be impacted with much higher levels of stress, I believe I am correct in assuming that he will suffer from them. You don't have to agree... But calling me a bigot?

Sorry, but I believe someone being senile affects their ability to lead America negatively more then the color of a persons skin.


C'mon jedd, this is what you said. It is a bigoted remark, unless you have some data , or can provide a link so Ainwein won't whine, that shows McCain is suffering from senility.

You do not like McCain. You can surely list many reasons for that position. What you posted tho' was not reasons for not liking him, but was an accusation with no factual basis other than generalized stereotyping. It was bigoted.

Both of your examples are blatant bigotry Jedd. Citing statistics to support your bigotry doesn't make it not bigotry.

Basing a decision with respect to an individual on a negative stereotype (even if the stereotype is statistically supported) is discrimination. There's a reason we have laws against the same type of behavior you are supporting in this thread.

"Seeing as how McCain is in a constant state of degeneration due to his old age and will be impacted with much higher levels of stress, I believe I am correct in assuming that he will suffer from them. You don't have to agree... But calling me a bigot?"

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

It's no different than someone making assumptions about Obama based solely on the color of his skin (even if those assumptions are supported by statistical data for blacks).

Both of your examples are blatant bigotry Jedd. Citing statistics to support your bigotry doesn't make it not bigotry.

Basing a decision with respect to an individual on a negative stereotype (even if the stereotype is statistically supported) is discrimination. There's a reason we have laws against the same type of behavior you are supporting in this thread.

"Seeing as how McCain is in a constant state of degeneration due to his old age and will be impacted with much higher levels of stress, I believe I am correct in assuming that he will suffer from them. You don't have to agree... But calling me a bigot?"

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

It's no different than someone making assumptions about Obama based solely on the color of his skin (even if those assumptions are supported by statistical data for blacks).

I'm sorry but I disagree.

Nowhere have I denied that.

My only contention is that the manner in which jedd presented his case against voting for McCain due to age was bigoted in the same sense of the person who says that they won't vote for Obama because he is black. It is reducing an individual to a generalized stereotype, and usually done so in negative fashion.


Hell, I have watched my own body start causing me more problems since passing 50.

if we all can (hopefully) agree that age causes deterioration, and that the job hes after is one of, if not the most, stressful jobs in the entire world, can you now see what worries some people? its a legitimate concern imo.

"It's not inevitable that Obama will someday end up in prison, but it is inevitable (supported by undeniable statistics) that we will all deteriorate, mentally and physically, with age."

That's irrelevant though Sanchek. It's the point of applying a statistic to a group of people (based on age, race, or gender) and assuming automatically it applies to the individual. It is not inevitable that McCain will suffer from the stereotypes assumed by Jedd anymore than it is inevitable Obama would suffer from the same stereotypes. Is it possible? Sure, ask Mayor Barry.
The difference is that the elderly losing their faculties isn't a stereotype. It is an eventuality. Baring medical breakthroughs, it will affect every one of us lucky enough to live to an old age.

The question shouldn't at all be whether or not it's valid to consider age, but whether or not McCain's condition at his age is enough of a factor to worry about. It may be every bit as irrelevant as Obama's race, but you can't prove that by trying to dismiss it out-of-hand. Especially not by comparing apples to oranges as your reason for casual dismissal.

if we all can (hopefully) agree that age causes deterioration, and that the job hes after is one of, if not the most, stressful jobs in the entire world, can you now see what worries some people? its a legitimate concern imo.


I do not disagree with that, Wiggo. Again, my contention is that jedd offered a bigoted statement, implying that McCain is senile. It is very possible he may suffer from senility at some point, but I have neither seen nor heard any data to the effect that he currently suffers from this, and so I see jedd's comment as bigoted. That is my only point.

Haha.

Look at the puppets throwing out buzz words like bigotry because Jedd thinks McCain is old.

He is fucking old. If I don't vote for him because I think he'll end up like Reagan did, that's my business. How old is too old? How black is too black? (Notice how one is quite valid, and one isn't?)

To even compare that to racism is laughable.

There's been no hint that McCain is in any way senile. As much as I dislike the man he is by all reports very sharp.

I do wonder at his age for the job at hand, it is a point of concern for me. While Regan did a great job initially I think at the end of his 8 years he was far from the pistol he started out as.

Haha.

Look at the puppets throwing out buzz words like bigotry because Jedd thinks McCain is old.

He is fucking old. If I don't vote for him because I think he'll end up like Reagan did, that's my business. How old is too old? How black is too black? (Notice how one is quite valid, and one isn't?)

To even compare that to racism is laughable.


Ok, Ain, if you are intent on behaving like a little piss-ant in this thread too, by all means feel free, but while you are at it can you maybe explain how you would describe jedd's post "Sorry, but I believe someone being senile affects their ability to lead America negatively more then the color of a persons skin." Without some proof or one of your beloved links regarding McCain's mental faculties, how can that statement be looked at as anything but bigoted?

C'mon, piss-ant, enlighten us.

Goddamn, you're a fucking idiot.

GETTING OLD ISN'T LIKE BEING BLACK.

It is a legitimate concern that while McCain might be fine now, that over the course of his administration it could become a problem.

You know, the exact same situation that ended up in a puppet Presidency with Reagan towards the end of his administration?

EDIT: And just because you seem particularly dense today, I'll point out that talking heads routinely question the wisdom of inaugurating such an elderly president, while not one would ever dare to question Obama's ability to lead because of his race.

You know, the exact same situation that ended up in a puppet Presidency with Reagan towards the end of his administration?

Well, we have pretty clear current evidence that you don't need to be senile to be a puppet President either.

McCain is old, yeah, but he's not ancient and still appears to be in full command of his mental facilities. It's not uncommon for people to remain completely cogent well into their 80s, and we already have provisions in place for a president having medical issues.

Goddamn, you're a fucking idiot.

GETTING OLD ISN'T LIKE BEING BLACK.

.


Which just goes to show what a truly uneducated little academic you are.

You are stuck in a mindset that the word bigot cannot be applied to anything but race relations.

Now, once again, "Sorry, but I believe someone being senile affects their ability to lead America negatively more then the color of a persons skin." This statement does not say anything about his condition now and what might happen in the future as you try to explain it; it says "someone being senile".
The implication of the statement given is that McCain being old is senile.
That is a bigoted, or prejudiced, or biased statement. Take your pick of the descriptive term.

Where you are tripping over yourself is in thinking this is an issue of McCain supporters vs. Obama supporters, which it is not. It is about jedd making a statement which displays a prejudice. Think back to some of your composition courses, and how you were taught to present a statement. Being the good little academic piss-ant you are, you will surely see how it could have been presented in a better form to avoid any misrepresentation.

Now run along little piss-ant and find something else to fling poo about.

Now, once again, "Sorry, but I believe someone being senile affects their ability to lead America negatively more then the color of a persons skin." This statement does not say anything about his condition now and what might happen in the future as you try to explain it; it says "someone being senile".
The implication of the statement given is that McCain being old is senile.
That is a bigoted, or prejudiced, or biased statement. Take your pick of the descriptive termHaha.

Let's all pretend for a second that calling someone prejudiced and calling someone a bigot carry the same connotations.

...

Okay, now that that's over...

Furvitus straight up tried to say that it was no different than racism.

Answer this - are all the people who question McCain's ability to lead because of his age bigots? (The only reason his age would be relevant is if he were to become senile)

You should mail this one in to the Drudge Report. I think you're onto something here!

Answer this - are all the people who question McCain's ability to lead because of his age bigots? (The only reason his age would be relevant is if he were to become senile)



The statement given by jedd is the reason for the discussion. Your professors must be getting jealous with the way you are kissing ass around here and not paying them their usual due.

You continue to want to run in circles around the fact that jedd did a poor job of presenting his opinion, and made a poor choice in wording his statement. jedd, not "all the people who question McCain", and his statement was the topic. You follow the subject better than this in your coursework, I hope.

Greystone, I thought Sickle Cell was proven to effect all races within mosquito infested areas....?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle-cell_disease

He said more common, not that others can't get it.

Someone compared not voting for McCain because of his age, to no voting for Obama because of him being black, and I responded that it was completely different.

The senile sentence was OBVIOUSLY showing how the age factor is MORE RELEVANT, then the black factor.

The funny thing is, the only people who didn't get it are the ones who never get it, and the people that understood are the ones who always understand.

God, are all of you going to act like 5 year olds?

Has this site jumped the shark as a place for me to go and have intelligent dialogue with people of different mindsets? The last few days it's piss ant's this and fuck you's that. Damn guys.

Several of you deserve countless negative rep hits, not for disagreeing with each other but for resulting in nothing but name calling and dick waving. Grow the fuck up.

I could add some names to this, but if you think I might be talking about you, I probably am.

I've said before and I'll say again:

I would be absolutely thrilled if we would ban all personal attacks in Real Life NAG. They don't have any place in intelligent debate. People who resort to ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) attacks should be probated. Period.


I usually try to lay off, but certain people can't resist the urge to bring this crap into every thread.

As I'm sure Fandros will chime in, I'll just say that I've only recently begun calling you things like 'idiot' and 'moron'', while you have been judging my self-worth as a person for months now. (You will amount to nothing. You're worthless. So on and so forth). It would be just as easy for me to turn around and do the same thing - I'd just like to think I'm above that.

OK.

Time to end this silly horseshit.

Jackie Robinson.
Not allowed to play in the Major Leagues because he is black. RACISM

Released from a team because he can no longer hit a fastball because age has slowed his reflexes. REALITY

Seriously Furtivus.. Shut the fuck up. You cant possibly be this stupid. Our capabilities decline as we get older. Can we make a realistic projection as to McCains capabilities 4 years from now based on medical fact? Will he be as mentally accute and active as he is today? Its a fair question concerning lifes inevitabilities.
Saying that Obama is likely to end up in jail because lots of blacks go to jail is the stupidest fucking thing Ive ever read on this board... and that.. is saying something.

And YES. Im flaming the fuck out of Furtivus because such intellectual dishonesty is MUCH worse than name calling. It is destructive and, more than anything else, will destroy the ability to have sound discussion. It cannot be tolerated or treated nicely. It preys on our tolerance. Flaming is appropriate in some cases when the level of bullshit is so high that it needs to be purged with a good old fashion STFU.

Even if McCain's age is an issue for you as a voter, have you seen his mother? Her personality may be unique but she sure is bright-eyed, alert, and mobile for a 95-something-year-old.

She looks and acts way younger than her actual age... maybe it runs in the family (well, at least the mental condition part =).

Even if McCain's age is an issue for you as a voter, have you seen his mother? Her personality may be unique but she sure is bright-eyed, alert, and mobile for a 95-something-year-old.

She looks and acts way younger than her actual age... maybe it runs in the family (well, at least the mental condition part =).

And god forbid, she may drop dead tomorrow. Doesn't change the fact that there is a higher risk.

Seriously Furtivus.. Shut the fuck up. You cant possibly be this stupid.

Dude, why? You normally have a $20 door fee and a two drink minimum for laughs like that.

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I'm not sure if it would be worse for him to be having "senior moments" or for him to that easily confuse all those "brown people" that he apparently intends to bomb for 100 years.

Pat Robertson is bigoted against old people!

Jackie Robinson.
Not allowed to play in the Major Leagues because he is black. RACISM

Released from a team because he can no longer hit a fastball because age has slowed his reflexes. REALITY


This is intellectual dishonesty. Flame me all you want -- it doesn't change the laws. You can't possibly be this stupid or you simply didn't read the thread (from the rest of your post it's fairly obvious you didn't read the thread). Releasing Jackie Robinson from a team because he can't hit a fastball is not the issue.

I have no problem with criticizing someone because they cannot perform the job (your second example which is completely different from your first example). Jedd didn't do that. He made a negative assumption about McCain based solely on a protected class (in this case age). It's no different than anyone else making a negative assumption about Obama based solely on his class (race, age, gender, any other protected classification).

Jackie Robinson.
Not allowed to play in the Major Leagues because he is black. RACISM

Released from a team because he can no longer hit a fastball because age has slowed his reflexes. REALITY


This is intellectual dishonesty. Flame me all you want -- it doesn't change the laws. You can't possibly be this stupid or you simply didn't read the thread (from the rest of your post it's fairly obvious you didn't read the thread). Releasing Jackie Robinson from a team because he can't hit a fastball is not the issue.

I have no problem with criticizing someone because they cannot perform the job (your second example which is completely different from your first example). Jedd didn't do that. He made a negative assumption about McCain based solely on a protected class (in this case age). It's no different than anyone else making a negative assumption about Obama based solely on his class (race, age, gender, any other protected classification).

Did you watch the video full of bigots?

This is Bigotry

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/05/14/bojorquez.obama.tshirt.controversy.wsb

Releasing Jackie Robinson from a team because he can't hit a fastball is not the issue.


And here we were all sitting around thinking this was about an old black guy who can't hit fastballs...then you came along and put it all in context for us.

lol, Sanchek your failing at your job, you need to split this into a "what is bigotry" thread...come on seriously!

I am sorry i guess im a tard cause i agree with Jedd on this one. What is inevitable and what is stereotype are not the same.

It's also undeniable that a black man is more likely to end up in prison than a white or hispanic man

That is a statistic based on the country you live in, I would be willing Wiggo couldnt make the same statement. Age is world wide.

Simple proof: http://www.freemosquitoringtones.org/

ignore what it is but ge the point as you get old you lose high end hearing 10 to 1 Byl cant hear anything higher than the 15khz . That comment i made does it make me a bigot, or just a man who can read a graph on what age groups typically can hear what??

I think that there is a bit of a disconnect here. There is no question that the conversation has got a bit muddled.

Several people have pointed out that McCain has, in the very recent past, showed signs that his mind might not be as agile as it once was. This is a valid concern about a very important issue, and it should not be ignored. His age might be causing the decline in his mental faculties, but it is the latter and not the former that is the real issue.

If they were saying that age itself, a priori, is a reason to disbar someone from public office, that would be very prejudiced.

I am sorry i guess im a tard cause i agree with Jedd on this one. What is inevitable and what is stereotype are not the same.



It is inevitable that Mccain will suffer from senility? Interesting that you are able to make such a diagnosis.

The point that I was making when I made the first mention of jedd reacting to McCain in the same manner he found disgusting re: the racial epithets and comments, is that he was making an assumption the same as you are.

He said, and I am paraphrasing but hitting the main point, 'having a leader who is senile'. That was a prejudicial statement Grey, because there is no proof that McCain is senile at this point or any released medical documentation that he will be during the years he would serve, if elected. It is an assumption based on common knowledge regarding the decline we all face with age, but it is not based on any factual information regarding this specific individual.

Simple proof: http://www.freemosquitoringtones.org/



Hey... I can hear the one that says can't be heard over age of 30 and I'm 32. Though I can't hear anything younger than the 24 one.

It is inevitable that Mccain will suffer from senility? Interesting that you are able to make such a diagnosis.

The point that I was making when I made the first mention of jedd reacting to McCain in the same manner he found disgusting re: the racial epithets and comments, is that he was making an assumption the same as you are.

He said, and I am paraphrasing but hitting the main point, 'having a leader who is senile'. That was a prejudicial statement Grey, because there is no proof that McCain is senile at this point or any released medical documentation that he will be during the years he would serve, if elected. It is an assumption based on common knowledge regarding the decline we all face with age, but it is not based on any factual information regarding this specific individual.

You misinterpreted my post...

When confronted with "concerns about age are about as legit as concerns about a black man" I responded with...

Sorry, but I believe someone being senile affects their ability to lead America negatively more then the color of a persons skin.

I did not claim McCain to be senile at all... I brought up senile, due to the fact that people show signs of senile weakness as they get older. Therefore backing up my argument that it is in no way bigoted or wrong to consider age an issue, and in no way comparable to the color of ones skin.

se·nile

Pronunciation: \ˈsē-ˌnī(-ə)l also ˈse-\ Function:adjective

1: of, relating to, exhibiting, or characteristic of old age <senile weakness>; especially : exhibiting a loss of cognitive abilities (as memory) associated with old age2: approaching the end of a geological cycle of erosion

I never mentioned senility (sp?) i was saying aging and the effects of aging are inevitable.

BUt...

Putin is the leader of Germany
Iran is training Al Qeada

And there are 57 states...

Everyone can make mistakes, regardless of age.

And there are 57 states...

Everyone can make mistakes, regardless of age.

The difference is, add the stress to the already problematic memory of an older person, and it will be two fold what it is for a man Obama's age... right?

touche' Fandros....

The difference is, add the stress to the already problematic memory of an older person, and it will be two fold what it is for a man Obama's age... right?

Seems a logical assumption but the new unwritten rules of the board are you have to provide reems of empirical evidence by sources only a select few consider legit for that opinion to hold water.

Teasing aside, I tend to agree with you Jedd.

Teasing aside, I tend to agree with you Jedd.

I am going to print this out and hang it up on my wall!

The problem here is the stereotyping. There are people who, at 40, aren't capable of running the country. There are black people who certainly aren't capable of running the country. McCain and Obama aren't necessarily the stereotypical old man or black man, respectively, and should be judged on their own merits rather than the merits of the stereotypes you could fit them in. After all, we haven't had an Asian Secretary of the Treasury, though we all know how great they are with math and numbers!

McCain is a fucking machine. He wakes up earlier than me, he goes to bed way later than I, and he's well over double my age. He seldom looks tired and is generally on top of his game compared to a lot of the other Senators day to day, while I couldn't even stay awake through my noon press conference. I have no doubt in my mind that he'll be mentally and physically capable of handling the job of President. That being said, there are plenty of other reasons *not* to vote for him that Lleauric can gladly point out to you if you've missed those posts :)

The problem here is the stereotyping. There are people who, at 40, aren't capable of running the country. There are black people who certainly aren't capable of running the country. McCain and Obama aren't necessarily the stereotypical old man or black man, respectively, and should be judged on their own merits rather than the merits of the stereotypes you could fit them in.

After all, we haven't had an Asian Secretary of the Treasury, though we all know how great they are with math and numbers!

The issue here is this though Kelraz... It was never said that McCain is too old to be president, or that he is too old as of now in my opinion to have such an important job.

His age however raises issues with his future as president as he gets even older. Like I said, I would not make my decision on McCain based on his age, but I would take his age into consideration and if it stacks up with other issues then he won't get the vote.

Now doing the same with Obama in regards to him being black, is racism.

Ibudin

Should McCain's age be... 05-14-2008 02:51 PM Ibudin Stop the hate on old guys, you will someday be one -Ibudin

Should McCain's age be... 05-13-2008 03:48 PM Ibudin Once again you prove to be a twit. Your owner -Ibudin

Spam neg rep hits... You are so cool!!!

http://ayonae.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gifShould McCain's age be... (http://ayonae.com/showthread.php?p=141183#post141183)05-13-2008 03:18 PMJedd Corpse (http://ayonae.com/member.php?u=1314)You have once again degenerated into nothing more then a troll -Jedd

Right back at you, your the one who started it......and I'll keep going. In fact I can't stand you. You concentrate solely on Iran and rarely post on anything but. People call you to the carpet on your comment on age discrimination and you instantly neg rep me. I'll do what ever it takes to push your buttons and get more CAPITAL LETTER POSTS from you.

http://ayonae.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gifShould McCain's age be... (http://ayonae.com/showthread.php?p=141183#post141183)05-13-2008 03:18 PMJedd Corpse (http://ayonae.com/member.php?u=1314)You have once again degenerated into nothing more then a troll -Jedd

Right back at you, your the one who started it......and I'll keep going. In fact I can't stand you. You concentrate solely on Iran and rarely post on anything but. People call you to the carpet on your comment on age discrimination and you instantly neg rep me. I'll do what ever it takes to push your buttons and get more CAPITAL LETTER POSTS from you.

Isn't it funny that right after i neg repped you ONE TIME, someone called you a troll in the thread?

You must be right though, we must all be wrong and stupid.

Your a troll yourself. You go off half cocked on anyone who disgrees with you on this forum. Right down the list of people here have all had problems with you. Your the only one I really have problems with on this forum. Your the only one that consitantly neg reps me for simply my opionion..
And not to mention your extremely rude PM's.

Wiggo has been around a lot longer than you and he calls just about anyone a troll who disputes you. I think hes hanging on your balls right now. I like Wiggo though..he brings alternate views to the forum..you bring one.

Your a troll yourself. You go off half cocked on anyone who disgrees with you on this forum. Right down the list of people here have all had problems with you. Your the only one I really have problems with on this forum. Your the only one that consitantly neg reps me for simply my opionion..

Wiggo has been around a lot longer than you and he calls just about anyone a troll who disputes you. I think hes hanging on your balls right now. I like Wiggo though..he brings alternate views to the forum..you bring one.

Look at your contribution to every thread I post in, and you will find that you have been nothing but a worthless troll who spends more time baiting me then actually discussing the issues.

There was a time when I was under 100 rep, where you went on a campaign to get me in the negatives. Have you noticed that even though you were able to do so, I have risen because people have /GASP + repped me for my posts? Even after your 8 neg rep hits in 2 day campaign you failed.

What have you achieved? nothing but making yourself look like a complete idiot.

The issue here is this though Kelraz... It was never said that McCain is too old to be president, or that he is too old as of now in my opinion to have such an important job.

His age however raises issues with his future as president as he gets even older. Like I said, I would not make my decision on McCain based on his age, but I would take his age into consideration and if it stacks up with other issues then he won't get the vote.

Now doing the same with Obama in regards to him being black, is racism.

You don't need to kid yourself as its not fooling anyone though. You and I both know neither one of us would vote for McCain if he was 40, if he was black, if he was a Democrat, and even if Barak Obama was caught taking bribes from Osama and Hillary Clinton posed for Page 3 of a bunch of different British newspapers.

Its like how everyone pointed out they wouldn't vote for Romney because he was Mormon, when that has very little to do with his politics. Or how Guilani was Pro-Choice. Its these minor polarizing factors that really have nothing to do with their leadership prowess. Its that mentality that got us into the mess we are in right now in the first place - we picked the drinking buddy over the guy who was best for the job (hell, probably twice). The issue with McCain shouldn't be age, it should be that he's spent the past year proving to everyone he'll be a lot more of the same crap we've dealt with over the past 8 years.

Here another fine comment in my PM folder from Jedd...and I know you do it to others:

This isn't recent either but its constant from you.
Oops your a fuckin retard redneck bitch :)

You don't need to kid yourself as its not fooling anyone though. You and I both know neither one of us would vote for McCain if he was 40, if he was black, if he was a Democrat, and even if Barak Obama was caught taking bribes from Osama and Hillary Clinton posed for Page 3 of a bunch of different British newspapers.

Its like how everyone pointed out they wouldn't vote for Romney because he was Mormon, when that has very little to do with his politics. Or how Guilani was Pro-Choice. Its these minor polarizing factors that really have nothing to do with their leadership prowess. Its that mentality that got us into the mess we are in right now in the first place - we picked the drinking buddy over the guy who was best for the job (hell, probably twice). The issue with McCain shouldn't be age, it should be that he's spent the past year proving to everyone he'll be a lot more of the same crap we've dealt with over the past 8 years.

Though I agree with your post entirely, I still would fear that a man of his age may be more harmful to the country when the old age is factored in with his beliefs that I do not agree with. It is all opinion though, so there is not really any right or wrong :)

Here another fine comment in my PM folder from Jedd...and I know you do it to others:

This isn't recent either but its constant from you.

Wish I kept your old pm's... but alas, I didn't find you important enough.

God, are all of you going to act like 5 year olds?

Has this site jumped the shark as a place for me to go and have intelligent dialogue with people of different mindsets? The last few days it's piss ant's this and fuck you's that. Damn guys.

Several of you deserve countless negative rep hits, not for disagreeing with each other but for resulting in nothing but name calling and dick waving. Grow the fuck up.

I could add some names to this, but if you think I might be talking about you, I probably am.

I guess my answer is yes, it's jumped the shark. Thanks guys for ruining what was once a valuable part of my day.

hey keep sealife out of this conversation!

Your a troll yourself. You go off half cocked on anyone who disgrees with you on this forum. Right down the list of people here have all had problems with you. Your the only one I really have problems with on this forum. Your the only one that consitantly neg reps me for simply my opionion..
And not to mention your extremely rude PM's.

Wiggo has been around a lot longer than you and he calls just about anyone a troll who disputes you. I think hes hanging on your balls right now. I like Wiggo though..he brings alternate views to the forum..you bring one.

wait a minute here, dude, how am i hanging on his balls because i call you a troll? it has nothing to do with his or your opinion, what you were doing was, quite simply, trolling.

But Obama is black he is most likely to use Crack Cocaine as well, how the hell can he run our country on CRACK!!!

I bet McCain has Dementia as well, he is getting up there.

i present to you evidence A1, sirs.

Same logic as the plaintiff was trying to use. I'll call you a troll as well, does it mean anything? About as much as you calling me one. Pot calling kettle black I guess huh?

So his IQ statements to other posters and such wasn't trolling? Only when it fits your agenda and his.

he got trolled, as in baited, by you, and resorted to the same old shit, not disagreeing with this in any way.

God, are all of you going to act like 5 year olds?

Has this site jumped the shark as a place for me to go and have intelligent dialogue with people of different mindsets? The last few days it's piss ant's this and fuck you's that. Damn guys.

Several of you deserve countless negative rep hits, not for disagreeing with each other but for resulting in nothing but name calling and dick waving. Grow the fuck up.

I could add some names to this, but if you think I might be talking about you, I probably am.

I have to agree, the reading here is getting hard to dredge over the bullshit. Sadly it's almost everyone here lately. Where is Thor!?! :(

I have to agree, the reading here is getting hard to dredge over the bullshit. Sadly it's almost everyone here lately. Where is Thor!?! :(
You're right. No more:

http://ayonae.com/quit-bickering-t10746.html

How old is he? 71?
Well...if I was going to vote for him I might want to look at who he picks as vice president and make sure I like him too.

Granted one can always get hit by a car and die but sadly, the older one gets the more likely one can kick the bucket especially if that person has ever had any heath issues or ones that run in their family.

Heh.

Was reading the polling data indicates that the people most likely not to vote to McCain because he is old... are... wait for it...

Old People

Heh.

Was reading the polling data indicates that the people most likely not to vote to McCain because he is old... are... wait for it...

Old People


My mother is 75 (76 next month) and she cites age first when talking about why she won't back McCain.

My mother is 75 (76 next month) and she cites age first when talking about why she won't back McCain.

so she's looking for a boy toy? =P

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Hmm... Straight talk express???

Senior moments?

Again willing to bet that much of that was taken out of context. While I dispise the GOP, i am not a big fan of slam films.

But seriously you got to love what Media is doing to politics.

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