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If you don't want to hear about auction-type activity, or the selling of in-game items for real world cash, feel free to stop reading now. If, however, you participate in such activities, or just want to hear a good NAG, please, read on.

Many of you know me from my in game character, Imonly. Well, after almost two and a half years of playing, I decided to quit for a myriad of reasons, and figured that I may as well get something out of my time invested. So, I sold my character on that auction service (you know what I'm talking about ;) ), and moved all my plat (100k) to my second account, which was basically a bazaar mule.

Sold the account with no problems, and moved onto selling my plat. Got a high bid from a fellow known by his playerauction ID of pezz120. Emailed this person at , and made arrangements to pick up the plat. He paid me via Paypal, here is the screenshot of the email confirmation:

home.attbi.com/~sgeffre/paypal.JPG (http://home.attbi.com/~sgeffre/paypal.JPG)

So, now we know that Mr. is the individual we're dealing with. I gave 's in game character "Rypper" a little over 101k, basically all the plat I had. I logged off, canceled my second account, and went about my business, pleased that I had recieved some return on my time investment.

This morning, I log into Paypal to see how long it's going to take to have the money deposited in my bank account, and lo and behold, the payment was reversed!! Here is a screenshot of the dispute:

home.attbi.com/~sgeffre/dispute.JPG (http://home.attbi.com/~sgeffre/dispute.JPG)

Mr. has decided that not only does he want his plat, but he wants his real life cash, too! Well, that didn't seem fair to me, so I emailed him. During the selling process, he was VERY quick to respond to my email, however, now that I have no money and no plat, John has decided to become scarce. How unfortunate.

So, I talk to paypal, put in my dispute, and start to do some looking around. I know that Rypper, being a level 55 necromancer with no guild is most likely not his main, so on a whim, I put his email address that I got from Paypal into google.com. You can do it yourself, but I've saved you the trouble with a screenshot of the results:

home.attbi.com/~sgeffre/google.JPG (http://home.attbi.com/~sgeffre/google.JPG)

Ho ho!! Well lookie here, Mr. is none other than Simon David! Well, being the skeptic that I am, I was not content to just rest on that piece of information, as we all know that accounts can be sold, and maybe Simon David is not owned by Mr. at all. So, I decide to look at some of his recent posts. You can do the same, but again, I've saved you the trouble with a screenshot:

home.attbi.com/~sgeffre/nevada.JPG (http://home.attbi.com/~sgeffre/nevada.JPG)

If you prefer, here is the thread that shot came from:

pub142.ezboard.com/fayona...4626.topic (http://pub142.ezboard.com/fayonaerofrm1.showMessage?topicID=4626.topic)

Well, now this is very interesting. If you look at the first screenshot of Paypal information, you see that Mr. in fact lives in Nevada, Iowa, and so does Simon David! Since Simon David, AKA just made that post on June 17, I'm willing to bet he still owns that account.

So, now that we have established that Simon David is the person who has my plat, the only thing you have left to ask yourself is, "Self, how do I know Imonly REALLY gave him the plat?" Well, that is where the well of hard data runs dry, my friends. Being that the plat was on my bazaar mule, I had no logging on. You know how large logs can get when you spend all day and all night in the bazaar, so that is why I have no log. Also, having just sold my character in a very quick and painless auction transaction, I was not so overly cautious about this one, and naively trusted Mr.. My bad, I guess I should assume people are scammers until proven otherwise.

However, I will appeal to your logic here. Why would I, a person who doesn't play EQ, doesn't even have a main character anymore, come to an EQ message board, take the time to look up all the information I did, craft this lengthy and, dare I say, interesting read about a person I didn't know before yesterday, if what I have presented to you is not fact? I leave it up to you to come to your own conclusion, but believe me, everything I have presented to you is the truth. I did deliver the plat, and I did get shafted out of the money.

Simon, , whatever, maybe this is an honest mistake. Maybe you accidentally hit the dispute button in Paypal without noticing and haven't been to your computer since. If that's the case, please contact me and we'll make alternate payment arrangements. If you do, I will be happy to come back here and let the good folks of Ayonae Ro know that all is well, and everything has been cleared up. Until then, please be cautious of ANY dealings you have with Simon David, his alt Rypper, Mr. at (screen name for that account is John B).

Thanks for your attention! :)

Haha,Ebaying is your friend :D

gives it one hour before buyza54 respsonds

didn't flame him like i wanted to :( but i give ya props on the research and good report on it all! I remember before ya were 60 leveling with you in Velks :(

Simon has always struck me as a fuckin idiot and that he'd stoop to that does not surprise me in the least..sorry you got scammed and hope his behaivor has consequences if only on this board and in game

Please clarify: Is this characters first name Simondavid or first name Simon last name David?

While Simondavid is no longer in my guild, I can vouch for his honor and it would VERY much surprise me to scam anyone.

Kad

The characters name is Simondavid, you can tell from Imonly's research from google and the post.

NM, saw the screenshot.

I'd like to hear his side of things of course...

Kad

Isn't there a way to do paypal where the person sending you the money can't do shit like this?

Some times I really wonder the truth behind posts like this one. Not knowing either person, I can't make a character judgement. But I would say old simondavid has some 'splaining to do.

Remember that saying "In God we trust, all others pay cash"?


Lol.

The best thing to do when dealing with paypal is have 2 accounts.

With the first account, you collect the payments. This will be where they try and reverse the charges.

When you get cash in account 1, immediatly pay all of it out to account 2.

Now, paypal seeing that there is no money in your account will try and debit your credit card. Easy enough. Now with a quick phone call to your credit card company, you get those charges marked as fraud. Now it is no longer your problem.

Paypal will find the person and will deliver sweet justice.

That's all for your lesson in ebaying today. I sell some junk on regular ebay, and people try this shit all the time. It's real funny when paypal comes back and debits said persons bank account or they see it on there credit card statement.

The character Simon David is no longer owned by "Mr Sanders" as per this transaction:

http://www.badwordfiltersarefun.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=1048696030
(replace "badwordfiltersarefun" with that baaad baaad url thats worse than saying NI to old ladies)

If "Mr Saunders" is reading this, it would be in your best intrests to keep our transaction in good standing, lest some rather delicate information be spread around. Even though it appeared as you did try and take back the account last month, there is still the slightest chance it was a mistake, and I wont spill the beans unless its unmistakingly apparent you're trying to rip me off.

Is it blackmail to keep your investment secure? hmm.


However, Imonly, since your a fellow silent-fist brother, if you're in need of a private investigator, I just happen to know of a company located nearby with a very bright investigator working for them that specializes in internet fraud, and has bought and sold a couple accounts himself. If you can meet his retainer (to protect his investment) I think you'd be rather surprised with the information he might could supply you.

:)


~ZEE!@#
Grand Master of the Sideways Run
Grand Master of the Sideways Halo

Hey alyx did I make the 1 hour mark? was having a seizure so took me longer. Whoever posted about the 2 paypal accounts is right. It is what I do and many others do and keeps money safe (usually). I think I have sold to simondavid before acctually, barb shaman if I am correct. Was many many months ago though and never had any problems. This is what happens when you sell plat to random people and not me :) not to make fun of you or anything, but it is best to find people with high feedback when being a new seller since you have no idea how everything works where as most high end sellers know the ins and outs to protect themselves in every way. Ladies and gentleman that is ebaying for you. Oh and that address seems correct so why not do a little research on him and have some fun? I remember hearing about a seller who I regurally talk to tell me how he was scammed and how he called immigration and said he had suspicion of illegal aliens being at the mans house and it sounded really funny.

2 words:

Western Union

There's a fun way to screw over someone who tries to scam you on paypal. This *WILL* work, just search the PA message boards for conformation. This has worked for me and many others. The only requirement is that the person has a confirmed mailing address, and you do this within 7 days of receiving the paypal (used to be 14).

Go to the post office and send the person a blank* letter. Get delivery confirmation (signature confirmation is required if the payment was over $250) and send the person that blank letter. Reply to paypal with the deliery confirmation number once the package has been received. Paypal will automatically return the money to you because you have proven that you have shipped the item. There is no way I know of for them to refuse delivery confirmation if a signature isn't required but I have had people dumb enough to sign for stuff anyway after they tried to scam me lol.

*Blank letter becomes more fun when you write them messages like "Nice try scammer, thanks!" or similar taunts.

www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/we...ns-outside (http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/protections-outside) for more info.

REMEMBER!!! Paypal is not a bank and most credit agencies will not accept them as a valid claim holder. The two account scenario is your best bet. If they try to put a black mark on your credit, it usually doesn't matter. Paypal makes more money and can operate more "freely" without the burden of government regulation a bank has, but in turn smart consumers can take advantage of them.

ENJOY!

Well isn't this a cluster fuck.

Lets see if I can straighten this out before I punch a hole in my computer screen.

First off Simondavid is no longer my character I sold him back in March when I got accepted to SWG Beta. Played that for a couple months it sucked so I decided to come back to eq. I didn't feel like starting over so I thought what the hell I will just buy a toon for cheap around 55 or 60, and go from there. So I buy Rypper. Never playing a necro before I thought his gear was pretty decent. Turns out its not so I go online and buy sone plat to equip him.

Incomes Imonly - I win the auction for 100k and we meet in the bazaar. Well when I type his name in to paypal. I accidently put an f in place of the i for the domain name. So we sit there for about 10 minutes with no transfer. I double check the e-mail, and he tells me I made a mistake on the domain name so I change it, and whala money transfer. So I go about the rest of my evening and before I go to sleep I go to paypal to make sure everything went through ok. Well both transactions are still on the screen. One says complete, The other with the wrong address says unclaimed, and has a cancel button next to it. So I hit the cancel button. It stays there so I figure I better put a hold on the transaction so I don't get charged twice. I then shoot off an e-mail to me friend at the bank saying to make sure paypal only charges my account once for the $176.05. Off to bed I go.

So last night I get a call from a friend that I play eq with about this thread, and I figured I would get it cleared up as soon as I get home, but since I put in our first emails Imonly I told you I was going to be out of town for 2-3 days. Ends up our class got done early and I got home last night. What did I get home to you ask.....Well 3 prank phone calls (one which sexually harassed my wife) and a e-mail box full of dumbass letters from morons that troll the boards.

So FUCK YOU! Instead of sending me a quick e-mail and waiting for my response, after you have an e-mail stating that I will be gone a couple days. You come here, and make my new character worthless drag my old character name through the mud, and causing me and more importantly my wife to get threatening phone calls. You can kiss my fucking ass. I will be spending the day today changing and making private my home phone, setting up new e-mail accounts and emailing everyone on my list of my new address. After that I guess I will try to decide what to do with my new worthless character, and any gear or plat on him.

So again thanks Imonly for being such fucktard. Me and my wife appreciate it.

This would be about the time the bouncers come out on Springer right?

like i said

hes an idiot

at least you went to the trouble to make sure YOU didnt get screwed huh? now because Imonly is frustrated because HE got screwed, you turn it around and make it into an excuse to continue being a fuckin idiot instead of making things right with him

be a man and relate to his situation and understand his frustration and do the right thing

You are a fucking moron Simondavid.

You deserve it, you scamming jackass.

I hope nothing less happened to BeoSUCKS after I posted his IP on a few "computer help" forums =/

While im not big in NAG i know imonly and read this all over, it seems Simon that u mistakenly interupted thet tansaction, then when imonly found out about this had natural reactions, first its emails and i assume they got worse as time went on which is understandable because he belived u to be a scamer, so he beliveing has been scamed by u makes this post, yet leaves it open for u to correct it and says it at the bottem, when u return now instead of doing the right thing and make a payment or return the plat after explaining your out of town u wanna try to turn it around on imonly like a ass, i doubt he is responceable for your phone calls or other peoples emails to u, he being not big on ebay was nervos to start, just think about it, both ya can understand eachothers intial reactions and i hope to see u do the right thing on this...
but dont try to turn it around on imonly and then say well fine then now im gonna scam u)

I NEVER made any phone calls to Mr. Saunders, and I only sent him two emails: One, asking him why he cancelled the transaction when he knows I gave him the plat, and the second one to point him at this thread, since he (it seemed to me) was obviously ignoring my email. I don't stoop to those kinds of activities. Even my initial post on this board gave John an opportunity to explain himself and make things right.

John, you admit that you put the payment on hold, yet don't even bother to email me to tell me? How do you expect me to react? I'm very reluctant to give you the benefit of the doubt about the fact this was unintentional, but even if it was, you are now trying to justify keeping the money? I delivered what you paid for, and I expect payment. I can't understand how you feel right in keeping what is not yours.

As I said in my first message, simply reverse the dispute, and I'll be happy to come here and tell everyone that you did the right thing, and that the whole thing was a misunderstanding. However, not doing so just makes it clear to everyone that you are indeed a scammer that should not be dealt with. The choice is yours.

KMA what would your reaction be if someone called your house, and told your wife they wanted to come to her house in Nevada (and they knew the address) and have sex with her? Keep in mind they said much worse things(use your imagination). All because he put my last name along with my city and state on a public message board. Over 170 dollars.....170. Not a thousand hell not even 500, but a 170. Thats 2.5 days of work roughly for the kid at McDonalds making 6 dollars an hour. Instead he wants to play private eye after just a few hours of an obvious error on paypals side. Maybe he should investigate his own fucking mail box where he has my e-mail that states " if you are unable to do the transaction around 5 today its no big deal we will just have to wait since I will be out of town 2-3 days." Ya 2-3 days not 2-3 hours which is the time it took for him to come posting.

So go ahead call me an idiot. But I did not try to interrupt his transaction I canceled the transaction to the wrong e-mail address. If I fucked it up sorry...if paypal fucked it up sorry and how the fuck did I try to protect myself and not him when my e-mail to the bank states " please only allow one paypal deduction in the amount of $176.05 from my account due to a typing error they may attempt to withdrawal this amount twice. "


To all those who want to keep flaming me go ahead....it must be nice being perfect.

2.5 days of work is trivial?

Interesting. You never said you'd fix the situation.

Sure, it seems as though you made a mistake in the transaction, but not fixing the situation because some people decided to contact you just makes your claim as shady as it being cancelled in the first place. If it's your character's reputation that you are so worried about, it's not gonna get any better by refusing to pay up. I'd assume if you got her the money, she'd post something, and everything would be over.

I think most of us see what your saying Simon, I believe your Email changing and phone number changing is being a little too paranoid, but hey...

However the thing that we see is, You still have Imonly's plat, and imonly doesn't have the 107 dollars, and no way to take the plat back even if she wanted to... Asuming your canceling of the transaction was a mistake, and your saying your too busy to fix the transaction (not sure what exactly your excuse is here, tryin to help ya out a bit) with changing all your personal information, It only takes a minute... Rather than comming back here to try and defend yourself again, just go fix your mistake... and Imonly will im sure be happy to tell us it all worked out.

I understand no ones perfect, and you might've made a mistake... But you can still fix this Simon.

I feel sorry for your wife Simondavid...but not because some people prank called her. :\

I noticed beo and runno have "I use to be someone" as their signature. I think I wanna try that to :)

I use to be razzanizzu, salamyen, evilfoot, narogo, saeeliel, starsong, mathersx, ginguh, thorgar, grimnir, phelen, some IVM cleric whos name I can't even remember, sammuel, maja, shendari, and tons more on ayonae ro, but I just can not remember all their names :( Sorry for my lost brothers and sisters who I did not include here.

Those sigs are gay.

Buyza, that siezure shot was just low,man. :(

you took the time to email your bank to make sure they didnt screw you by charging you twice yet when it came time to put forth a little selfless effort and confirm the payment was even MADE, you decided it wasnt worth that much effort

if you and your wife cant blow off kids makin stupid prank phone calls then i feel sorry for you. its stupid, its annoying, and they are wrong for doing it, but using that as an excuse to be as big an ass as you can is just as bad

the dollar amount may not be much to you but it may mean the difference between bounced checks or unpaid bills and late fees so dont try and rationalize it

if its so trivial just pay it

Hiya everyone!

Attention: Mr. Saunders. Can I call you John? I can? Thanks.

John, even if everything you say is true I believe you are making yet another mistake...
You get undesirable emails and phonecalls when one or more people think you COULD have scammed but fail to see that showing those people that you ARE a scammer could be much worse.
Since you believe 170 dollars is nothing why not save yourself and your family from the possibility of an even worse fate? Just pay what you owe!
And John, if you are still trying to figure out what to do with your now worthless necro and the plat he has I have another suggestion... give back the plat and delete the necro! Wasnt that easy?!

BTW- You said you found out about this thread via a friend and not from the second email Imonly sent you. Are you telling me you were gone for 2-3 days after an Ebay trans and you didn't check your email before logging into EQ? Hmmm.
NM... I have seen too many "Monk" episodes. :)

I will be waiting on the edge of my seat for the conclusion of this soap opera.

With love,

-Xeck-

Over 170 dollars.....170. Not a thousand hell not even 500, but a 170. Thats 2.5 days of work roughly for the kid at McDonalds making 6 dollars an hour.

And your point is? You don't just take a guys hard earned platinum, fuck up a very simple operation and then blame it all on the other guy because he was worried that you'd scammed him.

If you want to clear your "good" reputation then pay him, no good blaming some coincidental prank calls on someone who had nothing to do with them and acting like you're refusing to pay.

Sounds to me like someone's been caught with their pants down and their dick in the vacuum cleaner...

I went back to your post and found my mistake.
You didn't find out from your friend about this thread online. You said he CALLED you last night.
Umm. You then proceeded to say in the same paragraph that you figured you would straighten it out when you got home. And yet you found time to troll the board and even start your own thread YESTERDAY. But you waited until today to "straighten it out".
Guess you couldn't decide what you wanted to say til today.

Timeline seems a bit skewed though. The night call from your friend while you were out of town, the class finishing, you going home to troll the board and post a question about PA... ALL before 5pm!
Dammit you are good!

Congrats on the RL Jboots!;)

With love again,
-Xeck-

Buyza,

Youre an ass. That is fucking pathetic what you said and you know what I mean. One word, Karma brother.. It will come back to you soon. I know youre young and you think its "cool" to do shit like that but take it from someone who use to do the same shit when he was youre age... When you get older you will feel like shit if you constantly do shit like that to people in your day to day life.

So pretty please with sugar on top...Shut the fuck up and dont say stupid shit like that ever again.

youre should be your in "your age" :o

I am sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about gerf and selwen :) I guess karma does exsist since it just happened to alyx though, huh? He wants to start shit with me all the time I will start shit with him. *seizures out of this post*

Buyza.... Do you know what a joke is??? I think buyza's nickname should be Jarred Fogel Jr. it fits him better...

Ok I believe this is my first NAG post. For you NAG hawk’s out there, if I made a post 6 months ago and forgot about it don’t flame me for it :) . You will soon see I’m an accountant by trade, boring.

Here we go, Simondavid entered a contract with Imonly for $170.00. Imonly delivered on his part but payment was delayed. So he made a public post naming Simondavid’s real name and city calling him a scammer. If I were a lawyer this might be called slander. I am assuming here that Simondavid did send an email saying that he would be out of town for 2 to 3 days. IMHO, if after a week Imonly did not get a response he should have made the post he did, not one-day that is pulling the trigger way to fast.

Because of Imonly’s actions, Simondavid feels he must change his phone and email address. Right or wrong that is his call to make his family feel safe, not to mention wife faction. This amount, IMHO, should be deducted from the original agreement of $170.00.

The next amount to be deducted is a little more fuzzy. How much money do you put on phone calls, and emails threatening your family when you are away from home? Turning your family life upside down for one or two weeks? I personally would call it even.

Imonly I think you shot yourself in the foot bringing this up here so soon. If the guy said he was going to be out of town for 2 to 3 days, wait that long at least, if not till day 4 before sending the dogs after him.

What is this joke you speak of?

If you knew Alyx at all you would know he was only busting your balls.. Dont be so quick to get so defensive, it shows that you have an inferiority complex...

Acctually I do know the difference and he just annoys me as he did in game when he would talk shit to me as well as on message boards so oh well. I am just busting his balls to I guess.

Udabut, the problem with your argument is that before I posted this message, I was going through the process of determining exactly who Mr. Saunders was in game (see my initial message). When I ran across his EZBoard ID of Simondavid, the first thing I did was look at his recent posts, to see if he was the person I thought he was. I ran across this thread:

pub142.ezboard.com/fayona...c&index=16 (http://pub142.ezboard.com/fayonaerofrm6.showMessage?topicID=3372.topic&index=16)

As you can see, he made a post yesterday, 6/24/03, at 4:55pm. What did that tell me? That told me that Mr. Saunders did indeed have Internet access, and was trolling around the Ayonae Ro boards, passing the time. At that moment, his claim of not being around for a couple of days seemed unlikely, at the very least. Even if he was out of town, he clearly had a way to check email. I had emailed him earlier that morning at every email address I had for him, one of which was a Yahoo! address. He should have had no problem recieving the email and responding to it. He did not.

My post wasn't even made here until 6/24/03 at 10:07pm, over 5 HOURS after Mr. Saunders was tooling around this message board. In my mind, that was more than enough time to at least respond to my email. Did I react too soon? I don't think so. Remember: I was sitting at the other end of a denied transaction from Paypal indicating that I had not delivered property to him, with absolutely no explanation and little recourse.

With regards to your assumptions of monetary damages to him, I can only say this: How much is my time and stress worth? I did not initiate this problem, yet I have had to spend my time refuting his claim with Paypal, and trying to come up with a course of action on how to deal with the situation. I also am out money I was expecting, and have to deal with the financial repurcussions of not seeing money I expected for days, maybe never at all! I feel that the balance of "punitive" damages you indicate would swing in my favor, since I did absolutely nothing to initiate this situation, and Mr. Saunders is doing absolutely nothing to remedy it. However, all I want is my $175.05 that is rightfully mine for a good that was sold.

All along, John Saunders has had it within his power to make this go away, and to resolve the situation. To date, Mr. Saunders has not recinded his claim of no delivery with Paypal, and has not responded to my email.

City computer.... we are not allowed to access Yahoo, and mchsi has no way of getting email from another source.

"I guess karma does exsist"

Of course I exist. Was there ever any doubt? >_<

Simondavid,

Why don't you just shut the fuck up and pay your god dam debt.

Seriously, why the fuck are you still talking and haven't paid the man yet?

This is mainly to Udabut.

Imonly did enter a contract with Simondavid for 100k in pp for $175.05. Payment wasn't delayed it was canceled after Imonly gave him the product. Simondavid states he canceled it on accident. Understandable who would want to be charged twice?

Simondavid feels he has to change his e-mails and his phone numbers to feel safe from people who lack maturity. So be it but that's another case altogether. Cash shouldn't be deducted from his balanced owed. It should be a separate matter all together. I.E. Your buying $400.00 of product from a grocery store. A box falls off the top shelf due to bad placement. The box hits your wrist and breaks your watch. You proceed to the checkout counter and state 'Hey your box fell and broke my watch!' they wouldn't say 'Wow really?!? How much did you pay for your watch? $250? Okay then you only owe us $150 for the items you are buying.' What would really happen is you would send a bill for watch repair or a new watch and they would take care of it. If they don't pay for your watch then you take them to small claims court and let a judge deal with it.

Simondavid needs to pay Imonly what he owes. Then pursue the phone prank calls etc. if he wishes to. However why is it so hard for Simondavid to pay his debt? He states it was an accident, which shows it's still unpaid.

That's my opinion on the matter.
--Kalanes

I agree with Kalanes... He should still honor his contract and deal with the phone calls and emails seperately.

Kalanes,
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp In your example of the grocery store, “a box falls off the top shelf due to bad placement. The box hits your wrist and breaks your watch.” If that were all that happened, then I would agree with you 100%.

This is not the case, I’ll put a twist on your example. What Imonly did, as owner of the store, was tell his clerks in the store, “See that Simondavid guy, I can’t prove it but I know he has been stealing from us, here is all the circumstantial evidence!” So the clerks get all pissed at Simondavid and from the next isle over they push the box down on Simondavid and brake’s his watch. That is just wrong, in this case we can not put a name on the clerk but we know where it all started, Imonly. Because he could not wait 2 to 3 day’s even though Simondavid said he would be out of touch till then.

If Imonly had waited the 2 or 3 day’s he would have his cash and be happy as a clam. Simondavid would be playing EQ now on his necro, and his wife and kids, you do have kids right Simondavid? Would be thinking of there summer vacation, and not calling all there friends changing there phone number and explaining why it is unlisted, because some stranger is calling talking sex with there mother.

Uda, might wanna double check those rings on your magelo :P

Honestly, how much room does either person have to complain? The seller might have jumped the gun a little bit and gone too far in trying to leverage the buyer before knowing the facts. The buyer could have been more careful about the payment, seeing as how it's supposedly his typo that started the whole sequence of events.

Either way you look at it, they were both using an unsupported trading system that's mostly unregulated. It's pretty much a universal fact of life that if you take a chance on using the gray market to make a deal and things go wrong, you're just plain screwed. Live and learn.

Updated Pinches, had a few other items that needed updating also thanks :P

Pay him and shut the fuck up. How the fuck do you mistype an I for an F anyway? you'd have to be fucking retarded to do such a thing.

So, I guess, after all the debate, only one question remains...Simondavid, are you going to pay for the plat?

I would have to say both are equally at fault for the situation that SimonDavid is now facing in his personal Real Life.

To be honest, if I were Simondavid I would be pretty ticked off also and would really have trouble paying Imonly, in essence letting him off the hook for what he started by posting so quickly.

At the same time if I were Imonly, and still did not receive my payment, I would feel justified in what I did by posting.

Kinda a catch twenty-two.

My thought would be split the difference, with Simondavid paying Imonly $85 vs $170. This compromise would then act as both apology and punishment for each.

Split the difference? Lord. Man, freaking NO ONE is responsible for their actions anymore, are they?

Does anyone REALLY CARE about a couple of prank calls? Do we even know if they really happened?

Well here's my thought, pay the man. Then Imonly comes here and says that he is happy with the situation now that he has been paid and the prankers go away. Regardless of whether Simondavid is the victim of a typo or not, his story sounds a hell of a lot more fishy than does Imonly's. The more he goes into what he now feels he has to go through to protect his privacy, the more his story sounds like bullshit excuses from a scammer. So just pay him, Imonly comes here and says thanks and apologizes for what he had to go through, and this chapter of OMFG 1 W@Z SCAMZORRED!!!11! can end.

Anyone want to buy a UBER rogue? Western Union, Money order only!! 8) Ohh and like 350k pp!

Udabut, about your example with the watch, maybe its just me but if someone who works at a store is pushing boxes on people i think the police would charge it to that person not imonly just because he happened to be manager.

Imonly's post may(no one realy knows) have been what caused the prank calls but i dont see why u all are trying to put that on her. she didnt go prank calling him, i mean if i goto a web site about hmm...Mexican Clowns...then i decide i have a hatered for Clowns and i mail bomb them, i dont think anyone would be blameing the web site for mexican clowns, no they would be blameing my ass for sending mail bombs.

but just because we dont know the loser that did prank call this guy doesnt mean we put it on imonly for posting about whom she thought scamed her. i mean this guy has yet to pay her, even after all this...

Well.. Imonly did put Simondavids personal home information and his first and last name on a public message board. That wasn't cool.. I don't think anyone would appreciate that in the least even if they did "deserve it" Imonly could have at least had the courtesy to blur it out.

Ya i mean, it's the least you can do after he ripped you off Imonly.. :rolleyes

If I were Simondavid I'd take his ass to court for privacy violations.

From my perspective, there are 2 faults here:

1) Imonly posting SD's details
2) SD refusing to pay for goods he has taken.

Number 1 seems like it was an accident that happened when he was trying to prove a point, where as number 2 is blatantly avoiding paying for the goods.

There are, however, several inconsistencies:

1) Is there proof that the prank calls/emails ever happened?
2) Is there any proof that they are connected to Imonly's bad choice of judgement when posting the details?
3) SD claims: "After that I guess I will try to decide what to do with my new worthless character, and any gear or plat on him." yet Imonly has clearly stated on more than one occasion that he has already delivered the 100k plat to SD.
4) How can anyone get so worked up over prank phone calls? There's a reason why the receivers are two way, you either give shit to the prank caller or you hang up, it's that simple.

Who is telling the truth?

If SD is telling the truth and someone called and talked shit to my wife like that, there is a reason to get worked up... The calls(if true) are borderline terroristic threats and you could have the person responsible arrested. The phone company will have records of it if you report it to them.

Man, you guys are something.

Simondavid fucking SCAMMED this guy, and you're saying its Imonly's fault for posting it?

Maybe its because I've had the experience of a less than cooperative buyer, but fuck, if someone scammed me and I had access to this, you can bet I'd do at least this much.

I entered into a transaction that was risky, yes. Did I know it was risky? You bet I did. Because I knew it was risky, does that mean I that I should just bend over if someone tries to screw me? No.

For those of you claiming that I jumped the gun in posting, maybe you are right, maybe you are not. Put yourself in this situation and see if you would not have done the same:

- You deliver a good or service, and recieve payment.
- The payment is then reversed (NOT put on "hold") - with the buyer claiming you did not hold up your end of the transaction. That, combined with the propensity for these types of transactions to be fradulent, would IMMEDIATELY lead you to believe you had been scammed.
- The person who reversed the payment claims that he will not be "online" for a couple days, yet you see him cruising and posting on Internet message boards.
- The person has made no attempt to respond to repeated attempts at communication.

Now, given all of the above facts, I felt justified in posting what I did. It was just one thing after another, a "convergence of circumstance", if you will. I would venture to bet that if any one of you were put in similar circumstances as to the ones above, you would feel compelled to take action. I did.

Mr. Saunders claims that people crank called his house. I certainly did not do so, and there is no clear evidence that the call is even related to what I posted! My view is that he is simply using whatever excuse he can to justify his actions to keep my money.

Bottom line, Mr. Saunders has BOTH my real world cash and my platinum, and has made no attempts to return either. Regardless of what "damages" he claims to have recieved, I have recieved actual, tangible, damages in the amount of $175.05.

Regardless of how many times Mr. Saunders says "Fuck you" to me, or calls me a "fucktard", or says "KMA", I have tried to be civil and adult, and I stand by my word. If he pays me what is owed, I will happily post here letting everyone know the problem has been solved. Case closed. Unfortunately, his continued lack to hold up his end of the bargain makes me more and more convinced that he meant to scam me all along.

Simondavid fucking SCAMMED this guy, and you're saying its Imonly's fault for posting it?

I certainly didnt say that. Im not taking either side. I was just answering the people who said it was just a few crank calls. The magnatude of the calls make them more then just a few "Crank Calls". I also stated IF SD was telling the truth.

/shurg

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My point exactly. How is Imonly taking responsibility for his actions of posting Simondavid's personal information on this board. Whether the calls are true or not is irrelevent in my book. His personal information was posted publically, which is irreversable compared to the transaction which is entirely fixable. Hence my thought posted earlier.

Jedcea, I don't want to get into a semantics argument, but nothing that I posted in my message wasn't already public domain, and extremely easy to find. First of all, nowhere in my post do I hand out Mr. Saunders' phone number. Secondly, he already posted his email in an ezboard message, one that is easily found using Google, or any other search engine. He also posted his physical location in another ezboard thread that is very public. All I did was connect the dots between information that anyone could have found easily, without me. I NEVER handed out anything that anyone with 20 minutes and an Internet connection couldn't have found out on their own.

The fact that supposedly someone got his telephone number, even though I never gave it out, proves my point completely. If they found that, they certainly would have found everything else I posted, just as easily.

What's even more amazing to me is that Mr. Saunders, and apparently a few others, are trying to shift the blame to me, and have come to the conclusion that the fact that I posted easily obtainable PUBLIC information, most of which Mr. Saunders has already made public himself, justifies him in taking $175 from me. Amazing.

Pay your Debts you fucking deadbeat scammer.

Wow, you can stop from paying people if they make public information...erm...public? Cool! I refuse to pay my phone bill because they put my phone number in a book and sent it to EVERYONE!! Bastards! :rolleyes

Back when i was playing i was in VC with simondavid. He didn't impress me as the nicest person i've ever met, but in no way did i figure him for a scammer. Simple transactions like this can usually be worked out between people with integrity even if a mistake or misunderstanding comes up. I for one would like to see him pay up and put an end to this needless mess.

The phone company will have records of it if you report it to them.

You can't get phone records . You have to create a police report, then hire a lawyer, who can subpoena the records.

I've had a couple of sales callers actually curse at me. The phone company doesn't care.

Imonly, you bastard, you got scammed, then when you posted proof, the scammer may have been inconvenienced.

You all crack me up.

All this debate, and still only one question remains...

Simondavid, are you going to pay the man for the plat?

In my solomonly wisdom, I think the simple solution is for Simondavid to make sure the dough goes through and for everyone on the board to get a shot at prank calling Imonly... =)

IANALawyer: Of course, you're all arguing legal contract bullshit over virtual property, which to my knowledge hasnt ever been successfully been tested. Simondavid paid $170 for NOTHING. Sony, the sandbox owner, has declared all real world transactions null and void! Both of you have admitted that you broke Sonys rules and if Sony chooses to lock all 3 accounts (Simondavids 2 and Imonly's one) there isnt a god damn thing you can do about it.

And, for that matter, Sony can read this thread and lock all the ones that Buyza has listed too. And theres not a god damn thing you can do about it.

Chew on that a while.

Kad

There is no spoon.

http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp

There is the spoon All worship the spoon and for 100k simondavid this spoon can be yours!

I am not saying that there is not a debt here that needs to be paid. I fully agree that there is.

damn picture thingie here it goes again and yes simondavid this spoon can be yours for 100k please buy my spoon so you have the SPOON!
http://www.wooden.co.uk/pics/149.jpg

So he can eat your ass?

The truth is, the longer SD stalls and doesn't pay up, the more he looks like he is full of shit on the whole thing, and making up excuses so he has a self-proclaimed legit reason to scam Imonly.

On a lighter note, yesterday I got pranked and called a fucker on the phone, so I'm taking Yahoo.com to court for putting my information on the internet..weeeee! :rollin

UMM this just hit me, and it maybe will be the next thing in this, SD is claiming hes changes his email, then something will come up along the lines of i dont know imonly i dont use that email anymore, then it will be something about paypal wont work for me anymore because i changed my email and in the end it will be imonly geting scamed

Ok here is the fix...I will send you a check in the mail Imonly as soon as you send me your address and phone#. Also I am requesting you send me Amidgits address and phone# too since that is who hacked my email account and also most likely has called my house ( I am guessing on this.) but I do have the email from amidgit. So as soon as I get that I will send the money.

Fuck you scammer PAY YOUR FUCKING DEBTS. You are a piece of shit deadbeat.

I can't believe you are still posting here.

What bullshit.

So Kadath, I can list every account on this server and say I ebayed them, then they can ban them, right?

SD pay the debt. That last post just doesnt cut it.

Simondavid, you aren't in a position to negotiate. You either pay the money that you have admitted that you owe, or you be known as a scammer. There is no room for conditions. You made a deal. You renigged on the deal. You were exposed. Now, to save face, just pay the damn money. It's not complicated. The people on the board are most likely going to commend you for doing the right thing. It's really the only way to save face, if you care to save face. Otherwise, they're right. You're a fucking scammer.

Ok, I admit it, I haxored your e-mail and called your wife!! Then the aliens probed me with silentcerri's spoon.

Anyone else hungry for some Boston Market?

So Imonly, I'm assuming you are more of a computer geek than I am, accountant remember :) .

What you are saying, if I can find your personal info on line somehow, social security number and all, it is perfectly fine for me to post it here? It is public info isn’t it? I’m just connecting the dots, and letting 10,000 people, about the population of Aro, that are riled up about this know your real name and address, and who knows what else. Makes you feel safe sleeping at night doesn’t it!

You married? Have kids? How about the 100 people send your wife and kids emails saying, F**K every in every sentence like 90% of the posts here, that sound good? If you did the math that’s 1% of the population we are talking about.

I’m not going to do that. Just think about what you did. In your earlier post you said, “this is all public info, I just connected the dots.” Well there is a lot of info that is “public” if you look close enough.

If your logic is sound, all I can say is welcome back to the 1950’s. Not that we are looking for communist, now. When you post personal info, “public” or not, you just did two things: A) Blacklisted that person. B) Just yelled fire in a theater, in this case Simindavids house.

Even if you didn’t want to wait 24 hours, let alone the 2 to 3 days that was asked. I’m assuming he did ask you sense you have yet to dispute it. Did you have to put personal info on the boards? I’m sure he knows who Simondavid is.

If everyone hasn’t realized yet, I’m more upset about the personal info getting posted on the public boards than I am about the 100K plat or the $170.00. And in that way I feel Simondavid has paid a lot more than $170.00.

Even if you didn’t want to wait 24 hours, let alone the 2 to 3 days that was asked. I’m assuming he did ask you sense you have yet to dispute it.

Your persistence in somehow trying to make me responsible for this is perplexing. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear in my earlier posts, I will try to do so now. I was NEVER asked to wait 2 to 3 days for my money. The transaction was simply disputed, and I was left holding the bag with no explanation, no email, no contact, nothing. Perhaps you are under the assumption that Mr. Saunders and I had a conversation after the time he cancelled the transaction, but before I posted what I did. That is incorrect. I never heard anything from him after I delivered the plat.

IF Mr. Saunders had sent me an email AFTER the transaction was cancelled telling me it was a mistake and that it would take him a couple days to fix it, I certainly would have given the benefit of the doubt and not raised the red flag. I recieved no such commmunication.

The email that Mr. Saunders is referring to came BEFORE I gave him the plat, and was part of the arrangements we were making to meet in game. He basically said that he would like to meet in game it that day, because he would not be "online" for a couple of days. As I mentioned earlier, that claim was immediately suspect after I saw him posting on this forum, COMBINED with the other circumstances I already mentioned.

As far as you posting my contact information on the web, how about I propose this: If you pay me $175.05, you can list my name and email (I'll make it easy for you, it's public information and you can find it in my initial post), you can post it on this board. Hmm...doesn't sound like a good deal? Yeah, I don't think I got one either.

Udabut,
Your twist isn't the same guy. What my point was that it is two separate transactions. First: Simon owes Imonly money and Second: Imonly posted info, which MAY have been the cause of the prank calls. (whose to say this wasn't happening before or didn't even happen and he is just trying to find excuses not to pay). Two separate cases. Need to be dealt with separately. Not bound together.

--Kalanes

Let me see if I can sum this up.


SD FUCKING STOLE THIS GUYS PLATT.

I bet Udabut felt sorry for the criminal who shot himself while trying to case that home in Texas.

I'm sure udabut, kadath and any other VC that post here are just trying to defend their friend. Unfortunately what seems to be coming out as facts are against simondavid. I do feel bad for him that people called his house. Maybe, on the other hand, his personal info wouldn't have come out or been reserched if he hadn't tried to scam someone. I don't think anyone deserves that, and it's definately not an excuse.

Anytime you try to play a shell game and take advantage of someone, you better be ready to deal with the consequences. When they play a bit more hardball than you were ready for to get even or square, don't go crying, just admit you got caught with your pants down and pay up.

Simon can you do me a major favor and post a picture of your wife. I want to see a picture of the female I have been calling.

KKTHX


PS -

Nice to see you around UDABUT. Haven't seen you forever.

If everyone hasn’t realized yet, I’m more upset about the personal info getting posted on the public boards than I am about the 100K plat or the $170.00. And in that way I feel Simondavid has paid a lot more than $170.00.

Obviously you wouldn't be overly concerned about the $170.00 as it wasn't your money.

look plain and simple simon fucked over Imonly by reversing the charges. even if he had sent me an email saying that it was a mistake and would take a couple days to fix I still would have posted here to let everyone know and to keep him honest in fixing the problem....

Does anyone really relize how many times scammers say it will take a couple days to just be paticent that they will "fix" everything? The longer a scammer can keep you waiting the better his chance of getting away with it.

And now simon is crying about a few prank phone calls.... ummm... guy your address is now LISTED on public forum the guys who are making the calls KNOW where you live... Now unless you are planning on moveing over this, changing your phone number and email address isn't going to help very much.

Pay off the charge save face. Otherwise you are just proving you are nothing better than a scammer like he claimed.


oh PS FUCK you Beowuulf thanks for letting me know you posted my shit on the boards I would have never known if you didn't say so.... Now I don't feel so bad aboput posting your address and phone number on every gay porn message board i can find....

Heh if there were people out to "Get" SD after reading this by emails and phone calls, i bet it was because he was showed as a scamer, and sence thats is suposedly the case the emails and phone calls would have stoped after he cleared it up by paying imonly what he owes and thereby clearing himself from this claim. he has yet to do so, so i say he deserives whatever our board server members do to his email or phone, and maybe they can goto his house and flatten his tires and paper his house....

The price for the Tires to be repaired would prolly be around what he owe imonly

simon your replies speak volumes about your character

the fact that yer scared of children on the internet, and over the telephone, digs the hole even deeper

if you wanna give the idle minds of forum trolls the motivation to harrass you even more then by all means keep replying and deny payment to imonly i could care less, as ive already come to the conclusion yer a shithead anyway

every one of imonly's posts has addressed every aspect of this situation with incredible restraint and poise..if you cant put yourself in imonlys place and completely understand and relate to the feelings that have been expressed then you truly live a sheltered life

whether you pay or not, your reputation is fucked as far as alot of people are concerned and im afraid thats gonna work against imonly in this particular instance. Thanks for the heads up and im sorry it happened to you imonly you seem like a pretty decent person and i hate learning lessons when decent people are the victims

The excuses are transparent and in all probability part of the original plan, at least conseptually.

Pay up.

I know that my wife would kick my ass if I bought virtual property. I would be more worried about her feeling I was a total idiot for buying virtual property and it leading to this in RL 'cause I was a real tool. I would do all I could to make it all go away and not perpetuating the scam and it impacting on my family.

Anyway, you can buy new wives too on the internet. GL.

Yeah, just pay him you cheap, lying motherfucker.

IMONLY...I think Simondavid has made it clear he will not pay you now. The only way for you to get your money out of this deal is follow my instructions earlier in this thread on how to dispute his reversal. If you have evidence that you sent him an item with a delivery confirmation number through USPS, Paypal will drop the reversal and give you your money back.

Simondavid deserves worse than what he's gotten so far. :evil

Damn, just read this entire thread. It made me pretty sick to my stomach and made me remember just how stupid people can be when people were posting about how prank calls and personal information justify scamming someone. In case you forgot scamming is the same as stealing. There is zero proof on the prank calls as well and mainly just sounds like an excuse to justify scamming. True or not that's no excuse.

SD fucked up by messing up the transaction. SD fucked up by still not paying Imonly.

Imonly fucked up by not realizing that most people don't 'connect the dots' with personal information because most people aren't that web savy. So that info shouldn't have been posted regardless of whether it could have been found easily or not.

HOWEVER, Imonly did not have the INTENT to post the info for harm. Imonly posted it to show proof and leave nothing out. He messed up in overlooking that personal info shouldn't have been posted but it's pretty obvious it wasn't Imonly's intent to cause supposed prank calls to happen.

Now SD on the other hand is showing OBVIOUS intent to scam Imonly by this entire escapade.

So SD so far is fucking up pretty bad intentionally and Imonly fucked up once on lack of better judgment.

Despite that, Imonly's mistake STILL doesn't make an excuse to scam. To steal.

Now, if someone continues to bring up the fucking prank calls like they are an excuse to steal to me that shows what kind of person THEY are to think that justifies stealing.

Both fucked up. One obviously with intention. One is fixable as well.

So SD can fix his fuck ups by paying but all Imonly can do is apologize for the personal info.

Personally though after seeing this I think SD is a scammer and a shithead for being a scammer and wouldn't care at all if Imonly didn't apologize because if I were SD's wife and knew that he was doing this shit I'd be more pissed that I was married to a guy acting like this than that harrassing phone call that I "maybe" got but hasn't been proven.

holy fucking shit eh?

Imonly fucked up by not realizing that most people don't 'connect the dots' with personal information because most people aren't that web savy. So that info shouldn't have been posted regardless of whether it could have been found easily or not.

Thank you, that's the point I have been trying to make.

HOWEVER, Imonly did not have the INTENT to post the info for harm. Imonly posted it to show proof and leave nothing out. He messed up in overlooking that personal info shouldn't have been posted but it's pretty obvious it wasn't Imonly's intent to cause supposed prank calls to happen.

Might make some of you fall off your seat, but I 100% agree with this also.

Suffice it to say that Simondavid has ruined his name completely. Way to go, dipshit. You could have easily paid the money and posted here that you had done so and that your cancelling the transaction was an error, not fraud. I also notice how SD hasn't bothered to reply to this thread lately.

Everyone say it in unison...SCAMMER

Fucking thief. Sleep well fucktard, even my ONLINE reputation is worth more then $170 bucks. You SUCK asshole. You are no better then a punk who steals old ladies social security checks.

PAY BACK WHAT YOU STOLE!

i lost 107 bucks on paypal because of scammers

If i had the exact address of the guy who scammed me id report internet and go find him and beat his ass...immediately, the fucker was smart, and paypal gave me back a whole 0.01 dollars~!

scammers should fucken burn

Since you have his real name and address, why not take him to small claims court. Don't need to hire a lawyer or anything for small claims.

Maybe you don't think the 100 bucks would be worth going to court over. That's what professional scammers like SD count on you thinking. Don't let this shithead get away with this.

Out of curiosity how much could 100k plat buy to twink out a whole new char, and get them PLed to say 50?

If the answer is say A lot of really nice stuff, I think we know what SD will be putting his "new found" wealth to use for.

<shrug>

Losyl Lignisam

kadath and any other VC that post here are just trying to defend their friend

Not at all. Despite the fact that out of game transactions are against the rules, I'm the first person to tell you that if you participate in them FOLLOW THROUGH on your end of the bargain.

While SD may be upset that repurcussions of this transaction have affected his family, they should be handled AFTER the original contract is complete. They do not nullify his obligation and while I understand his frustration, being obstinate about it on these boards does not help.

Kad

kadath and any other VC that post here are just trying to defend their friend

Thats a bunch of crap. I don't care if it were my best friend, thats a fuckin shady thing to do. And for him to still not pay Imonly is even worse. I still stand by my previous statement that SD's personal info shouldn't have been posted tho. Any rep SD got by this thread he deserved.

I wasn't trying to put a jab in to the VC guys that were posting. Only trying to stir the pot after comments like splitting the money owed and i'd have trouble paying the money after what happened. I don't belive anyone can justify what was done, and i didn't say you tried. I was only pointing out among the folks that troll the boards that VC is a pretty tight group for the most part and they might be a bit biased. The flavor of the thread has gone from lets get the other side to why hasn't he tried to clear it up. I just wanted to make that plain as i wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, any of you.

:rollin

I thought this thread was very entertaining. Imonly posted because she thought she was getting ripped off, and I would have done the same. Honest people do not stop responding to emails for a few days when they know they are conducting a buisness transaction.
SD got what he deserved.... err that is, if he is telling the truth about the phone calls and the like.
Sounds to me like the title of this thread is completely accurate.

Simon David IS a Scammer :D

Since you have his real name and address, why not take him to small claims court. Don't need to hire a lawyer or anything for small claims.

And sue for what damages? Imonly, or what the fuck ever his name is, broke the EULA by ebaying. It's all Vitrual Property. NO grounds to sue. Dumbass on Imonly for ebaying and double dumbass for jumpping to such extremes. Try that shit with me and you'd never see your money again either. You desereved to be scammed. As For SD i used to be in VC for a short bit with my piece of shit druid Wuin. Was always cool with me but perhaps he could have tried a bit hard to make it striaght before his info got posted? Dont really remember what occured since I am too lazy to go back and read. And TRIPLE dumbass on me if I fucked up the info on who did what. All in all a very entertaining post. Thank you. Now you all can go outside and play a nice game of Hide and Go Fuck Your Self.

I like threads like this. They help me identify all the other shitbags in the game who think anything other than immediately paying the guy the money he's owed is a good idea.

My name and phone number are public information. I'm not afraid of people coming to my house and doing bad things to me, because I'm not a thief.

Very interesting, seeing as selling eq items/characters is still frowned upon by SoE isn't it?

I agree that he should pay up. Prank call or not, what's due is due, even if Imonly acted a little premature (then again with todays scammers, you really can't be premature)

Public info is public info, Imonly coulda said "hey, this guy who's publicly listed here <insert random website or search engine que>" same diff..just a matter of Imonly posting it X instead of saying you can find it at Y..

Also the person who pranked call (if it's true) that is lame..so so lame...

Orun

With the modern anonymity we have called 'the Internet', people are able to go online from nearly anywhere in the world and say hurtful things to one another. To steal from one another. They nearly always get away with it, too. SimonDavid is no different than the twenty million 12 year olds out there that go online every day and try to piss other people off. The only difference here is that he was caught with his hand in the cookie jar and Imonly knows who he is.

I can tell you one thing, for sure. If someone had scammed me and I knew who they are and where they live they certainly wouldn't get away with JUST a few prank phone calls to their wife.

You're treading on very dangerous ground here, SimonDavid. You're ****ing with somebody's money. You're ****ing with somebody's time.

Perhaps Imonly didn't know that people would abuse your personal information if they posted the proof of your thievery. Who knows. Perhaps this entire business of "Waaaah, people are prank calling my wife and I'm scared and I wet myself waaah!" is a complete lie. Who knows.

My suggestion to you would be to give Imonly the money that you owe him and be done with it because as I'm sure you know, many EverQuest players have nothing but time on their hands and I'm sure people have nothing better to do than A) farm AAs, or B) make your life hell.

Stop being such a ****ing weasel and pay the man.

Personally I think its funny that your attempt to rob him came back and bit you in the ass. From what I can gather from your previous posts you're obviously a poor excuse for a human being to begin with.

You're treading on very dangerous ground here, SimonDavid. You're ****ing with somebody's money. You're ****ing with somebody's time.

Personally The second he received a harassing phone call is the second that it started to invade his life. Threatening his family and livelihood. He was being NICE as I see it to just easily change info. There are allot of people out there who would be more then willing to do MUCH more when there family is threatened. Money is just money you can re-earn it. The slightest chance of something happening to my family is unacceptable and will be dealt with with extreme prejudice.

Hes already proven that he has no integrity whatsoever by stealing from Imonly. Are you really so blind as to simply take his word that he is receiving harassing phone calls? I'm not.

I say - Where is the proof?

Theres plenty of proof that you're a thief, Simon David, but where is the proof of anything that you have to say?

As a side note -- you know things are totally fucked when theres a rogue telling you "Hey, you're a thieving scumbag!"

And sue for what damages? Imonly, or what the fuck ever his name is, broke the EULA by ebaying. It's all Vitrual Property.
What if he was selling his TIME he spent getting the plat? Theres nothing in the EULA about selling your time...


Sounds to me like someone's been caught with their pants down and their dick in the vacuum cleaner...
I COULD HAVE SWORN I LOCKED THE DOOR!

Time is not a sueable damage.. If it were courts would be full of people sueing EVERYONE for waisting my time. I.E. I woulld be suing your dumbass for making me post this in response. And if you tell me "well you did not have to post this then" then Imonly did not have to take a chance E_baying...

He wouldn't be suing for wasted time. One is payed for their time so he would be suing for "lost wages" in a sense.

Time is not a sueable damage..Since when?

Wow 7 pages of reading, I went through 2 ciggies almost.

As most people can see there are too many holes in SD's story.

Pay the money, since $170 isn't much to you, then you can take the money and buy another EQ toon.

Posts like this are forgotten in a week after they are finished.


Move on, this shit isn't worth getting worked up over.

Simondavid fucking SCAMMED this guy, and you're saying its Imonly's fault for posting it?
This is a problem that people often don't understand.
You don't have the right to simply do everything because someone did something wrong. There comes this picture in mind of (yeah sorry) american hillybillies that shoot people down because they were at their door, for example.
Holy fuck they have been at your door ffs! That's all.

If someone calls you an idiot, you don't have the right to shoot this person on the head. Just because one person makes something bad doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want in response.

So yes, I am saying that Imonly made a mistake and indeed weakened his/her position badly with this action. This doesn't make Simondavids action any better, but worsens (sp?) Imonly's position.

No I am not taking sides. I am just saying that you gotta understand that someone's bad doesn't give you the right to completely freak out.

The slightest chance of something happening to my family is unacceptable and will be dealt with with extreme prejudice.

So if your family was threatened because you owed someone money, and you had the money to pay the threatener, you would do something other then pay your debt?

blah blah blah....

you reap what you sow when you use ebay services for EQ.

If you want to quite EQ, fine cancle your account and walk away. If you want to sell, fine do it! But be warned, people will try to scam you.

Hey John,
Does you wife know that the phone calls and e-mails were all caused by you trying to steal from someone? I doubt it.
Or maybe you cancelled the transaction BECAUSE she found out about it and MADE you cancel it. But you had already spent the plat so rather than show you have no balls you make up another excuse to hold payment.

BTW I know you are reading this because I know your type. Whether you respond or not doesn't make a difference, I KNOW you are reading this!

Live in fear thief. Someone will find out the answer to this question and post it! OMG!
Maybe that will give you an excuse to not pay your phone bill.;)
with love,
-Xeck-

Does you wife know that the phone calls and e-mails were all caused by you trying to steal from someone? I doubt it.

A couple of things to consider.

1) In no way, shape, or form should personal information have been posted in a public fucking forum on anybody. That is a transgression beyond belief.

2) Given the attitude shown by many on this board, is anyone surprised that once that information was made public that a shitstorm of prank phone calls was made? Some folks here have nothing better to do that flame anyone for anything, and it's not the first time folks have complained on these boards of phone calls made to their personal residence. Real fucking mature of the morons that did do it.

BTW I know you are reading this because I know your type. Whether you respond or not doesn't make a difference, I KNOW you are reading this!

You know his type? WTF are you smoking?

A guy get's a web error and has two screens up. He then ancels one so he's not double charged. Then, he's unavailable for a couple days.

Well, god damn! Shit happens ok. It's easy to fix, and should be fixed. However, we given the nature of this board and everything the guy catches fire from anyone and everyone. And, he's getting harrassing phone calls at his personal residence. Hello, can you say get a fucking life?

This post should never have been made in the first place. It should have been handled through the auction service first, and if no resolution was made, then made a post for scamming. Not this premptive crap that more than just "crossed the line".

A guy get's a web error and has two screens up. He then ancels one so he's not double charged. Then, he's unavailable for a couple days.If you "accidentally" get double-charged and you have to cancel a transaction to someone, you don't just go unavailable. You do your best to make sure that the transaction went over correctly. You contact the other party.

The bottom line is that that the other guy STILL hasn't been paid.

Lol

Aazumar, first you quote me asking whether John's wife knows what caused the phone calls. Followed by your response that doesn't even address this question.

Then you quote me saying I know John is reading my post because I know his type followed by your response that doesn't even address this point...

And you ask me WTF I am smoking? Nice try.:rollin

Try to focus.

-Xeck-

Remember, two wrongs don't make a right.........


Three lefts do.

Well, it has been a week since my initial post, and I have yet to receive any money, or any communication from Mr. Saunders.

For those of you criticizing my decision to post what I did when I did, all I can say is that it isn't your $175 that was stolen. It's very easy to pass judgment on someone when it isn't money being taken out of your wallet. Mr. Saunders' suspicious activities from the start, combined with his continued refusal to pay me, makes me convinced I did the right thing at the right time. I honestly believe Mr. Saunders was out to scam me from the beginning.

After reading a lot of what has been discussed here, I can say that yes, I did make an error in actually posting the address of Mr. Saunders. I simply was trying to prove that Simondavid was actually Mr. Saunders, because of the post Simondavid himself made that he lived in Nevada, Iowa. I never intended for him to receive any kind of prank phone calls, as indicated by the fact that I never posted his telephone number. If I had it to do over again, I probably would have blurred out that piece of information; HOWEVER, that oversight is hardly justification for keeping my money. It seems painfully clear that Mr. Saunders never intended to pay me at all.

I am in the process of disputing his reversal with Paypal, and have provided them with as much information as possible, including a link to this thread, where Mr. Saunders admits he received the items in question and has not paid me. I doubt I will ever see my money again, so please beware of this character. Any dealings with Mr. John Saunders, or his in game character "Rypper", should be dealt with the utmost cautiousness, if at all. Hopefully he won't be able to scam any of you.

If he doesn't pay you, I say you post his address and phone number.

Posting RL information (Address, phone number, RL name, IP address, etc...) is against Ezboards terms of use. 8/

Imonly fucked up by not realizing that most people don't 'connect the dots' with personal information because most people aren't that web savy. So that info shouldn't have been posted regardless of whether it could have been found easily or not.

Ummm, HELLO!! If people were web savvy enough to find this guy's phone number from what was posted, they would have been web savvy enough to find out everything else, regardless of what Imonly put up! Your argument holds no water, stop making excuses for this worthless shitbag.

If he did have two transactions, and canceled one of them. Why would he not leave the person a damn email telling them their MIGHT be a problem before going unavailable?

I must say indeed this is a very good thread. We need more dumbasses to keep fucking up. The boards were so dry recently. Thank god for Imonly and Simondavid.

No one fucked up here. Simon David simply stole money from Imonly. We got to watch. It actually sucked.

Give back the money you stole DICKHEAD!

Reminds me of that Brell-serrellis scammer thread, to a lesser degree.

Perhaps an ez-admin can compare SimonDavid's IP addy with IPs of some other accused scammers such as Crazey Monkey and let us know if they match or not.

Crazey Monkey Scam (http://pub142.ezboard.com/fayonaerofrm6.showMessage?topicID=3152.topic)

Crazey Monkey Recent (http://pub142.ezboard.com/fayonaerofrm7.showMessage?topicID=12744.topic)

Ummm, HELLO!! If people were web savvy enough to find this guy's phone number from what was posted, they would have been web savvy enough to find out everything else, regardless of what Imonly put up! Your argument holds no water, stop making excuses for this worthless shitbag.
Ummm, HELLO yourself. You forget there's no fucking proof to the prank calls and there's no fucking proof that anyone who reads these boards even called SimonDavid. You ASSUME shit because you believe everything that's spoonfed into your mouth without proof.

Imonly, however, provided proof. Granted Imonly should have blurred out the personal info. Now if it just so HAPPENS that there were one or two people from this board that managed to find the phone number thanks to the personal info provided by Imonly then they were probably only one or two people because MOST people, like I said (read what I said where you quoted me), aren't that web savy. Remember, MOST does not = all.

I am not making excuses for a "shitbag". The only shitbag I see in this situation is SD for not paying Imonly back. Imonly made a mistake in my opinion but that doesn't make a person a shitbag. Mistakes happen and most mistakes are forgivable. Didn't they teach you that in Kindergarten?

They said it exactly like that to me too Elazul, "Marky, you just made a mistake, you aren't a shitbag."

Ahh, the wonders of being 5 years old. :)

ROFL Elazul!!! You are cracking me up here! I must have said something wrong, because you totally misunderstood my point.

What I was trying to say is that even if Imonly only put up Simondavid's name and state, people would still have been able to get Simondavid's phone number, and IMonly needed that information to prove Simondavid was this Saunders guy. "Non-web savvy" people, as you put it, wouldn't have gotten his phone number from the information Imonly provided anyway, so your arguement didn't make any sense to me.

I wasn't calling Imonly the shitbag, I was calling SD the shitbag. Hope I cleared that up. Just to make it clear, Simondavid, you're a shitbag.

Back to your regularly scheduled NAG. :P

I h9 Elazuls fucking swearing!

SD you are a piss of crap, You can try to change the smell but it doesnt change what it is.

Best wishes with your masters Imonly, drop me an email sometime.

Posting RL information (Address, phone number, RL name, IP address, etc...) is against Ezboards terms of use. 8/

from Rules (http://pub142.ezboard.com/fayonaerofrm6.showMessage?topicID=3409.topic)

1) Linking indirectly or directly to any @#%$ player site is out of the question. You do it, soon as I notify Kiv or Edeina not only will you be banned, but we'll be posting your IP so that kitties can come over and rape your grandma.

lol

Soo did the dickhead ever pay?

I'm curious too....

Has he paid his debt yet or what? >:

To date, I have neither recieved any money, or any communication from Mr. Saunders, AKA Simondavid, AKA Rypper. :(

My case with Paypal is still open, I assume it will be closed shortly, as they usually take 1 - 2 weeks to investigate. I will post their findings when they are complete.

Sorry bout that Wes001. I misunderstood your post and thought you were backing up SD. So if my venting knocked you over, my bad. =p

<---filled with the power of the h9

Oh and ,,|,, o_o ,,|,, to SD for being a dickweed and not paying.

A double ASCII bird....

Harsh.... but what else did we expect from someone like Elazul?

So, now that VC knows they have a confessed scammer in thier ranks, what are they going to do about it? Is the scammer still in VC? That is very interesting, unless i missed an earlier post. I think that if he is still active there, they should post all his toons so that this scammer can get harrassed off this server. I sent a tell to some VC to find out, but did not get a reply, i added them both to my friends list so i can harass them. If any of you know of any of his alts, plz post.

I did talk to one VC and he said Simondavid left the guild to find another one, not sure if it is scammer related.

Reyes SD is not and has not been in VC.. hell SD quit playing months ago.. If you followed the thread it was mentioned in the beginning that He quit playing but started again hence buying the necro and the plat.

Sorry Lahle.

SD was VC for a long time. He did quit playing quite sometime ago. I can say this. If he was still in VC and pulled this kind of crap, he would have had to resolve this or he wouldn't be for long.

Although at one point SD and i were friends, my respect for him is gone.

damn you amidgit... i still want your help to get that one thing from that one zone 8*(

Well, I recieved the final resolution from Paypal regarding Mr. Saunders fraudulent reversal of funds:

"As stated in our User Agreement, PayPal's Buyer Complaint Policy only applies to the shipment of goods, not to disputes about virtual or intagible goods. Therefore, we cannot take any action. We encourage you to continue to work directly with the buyer to amicably resolve this dispute."

So, it looks like I got screwed. Mr. John Saunders, I hope your low class actions come back on you tenfold. For the rest of you, please be on the lookout for Mr. Saunders, who plays a necro named Rypper. To keep yourself from being scammed, avoid this person at all costs.

Damn that sucks :\ Sorry Imonly

This shit is still going on?

PAY THE GUY HIS MONEY YOU MOTHERFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.

So the scammer gets away with it?

/hugs Imonly
Bria
Dusk Eternal's
Little Blue Bandaid Babe

If you want to keep going on, you may write to the marketing department of paypal, saying that if they can not ensure safety in virtual delivery, all everquest purchases will be done with PayPal's competitors.

Just an idea...

Lani

And why would they care Lani? All paypals enemies got the same rules as paypal, aka they wont have any guarantees for virtual stuff...

And SD was VC for quite a long time, but I talked to him last time about 2 months ago so he quitting several months ago wont fit in there kinda (and yes I know it was him because Ive known him since he was lvl 13 or so when he was killing shit in NRo :P)

Sorry Imonly, was hoping for a better resolution. I cant begin to guess what has happened to Simondavid for him to have changed so drastically. Simon if you are reading give me a shout bro!

Kad

Sorry to bump this, just wanted to add a piece of information that may (or may not) help Imonly out.

A long time ago, I was guilded with Rypper, although the person I knew was probably several owners ago. Anyway, back then one of the person's other characters was Vilelance, an Iksar monk that I have also seen running around still.

I don't know for a fact that both characters were (or are) on the same account still, and I certainly have no idea how many times the characters have been transferred over the last couple years. But it's worth looking into, I suppose.

Hope this helps, what this guy did really stinks. :/

SimonDavid left VC on March 11, 2003 and Cancelled his EQ account on March 29, 2003. Please wipe all allegations of Simondavid's affiliation with VC during this Incident with Imonly.

pub144.ezboard.com/fvaliantcrusaders25023frm4.showMessage?topicID=545 .topic (http://pub144.ezboard.com/fvaliantcrusaders25023frm4.showMessage?topicID=545 .topic)

pub144.ezboard.com/fvaliantcrusaders25023frm4.showMessage?topicID=556 .topic (http://pub144.ezboard.com/fvaliantcrusaders25023frm4.showMessage?topicID=556 .topic)


PS. There is no forgiveness until this matter is resolved.

I do not believe Simondavid is Vilelance. I have both of their IPs and they are different.

And I am still hoping that Simon fulfills his obligation regardless of affiliation with VC.

Kad

Personally i'd like to see the ayonae ro mods snag that bitch SD's IP address and track down his internet provider. Hopefully it is the only cable/dsl provider in his area and they remove his service after they hear about him using their webservice to rob and steal.

Also to all you morons, prank calls just happen, unless the guy prank calls and says "haha fucker i'm calling you for imonly i'm gonna @*^($)(@$ your wife" well then their isn't shit SD can do but whine like the bitch he is. I may go prank call SD now just for the fun of it. Can you prove it was me? Can you prove it was because of what imonly posted? No... i'll do it just because he is a complete fuck. Could I be bluffing and just talking shit? Probably yes. I could say I killed 10 people and they are buried in the woods and you could go tell a cop and he'll laugh at you. At most he'd investigate, they'd grill me for a few hours and tell me lying about serious stuff isn't funny and I'd be out. Or I'd simply just say, "i never said that, prove i did".

... calling card/pay phone... record it? go ahead, i'll use a voicebox bitch.

I seriously would love to see this guy get haunted. I also would like to call when it's just his wife and instead of talking about sex i'd tell her about what a dork and puss her husband really is.

Although I bet SD doesn't even have a wife, that is probably the address to his parents house where he lives in the basement because he "can't find a job" and has to live off unemployment while he plays eq and steals peoples money on paypal.

Steal the $170 but when you rot in hell when you die I hope it was worth it you spineless fuck.

HA...

p.s. To all you morons who can't seem to comprehend what people type (note this isn't all of you) , I am not the one who pranked his house nor do I know anything about it. My comments are made simply based on what I read today.

p.s. x2 : Elazul <3 u!

Crack is bad, mmkay.

Since payment still has not been made, I have decided to approach this like a quest.
I will check into the scammers situation. I would appreciate all the help I can get. Do not post the scammers info here but instead catch me online tonight after 9pm eastern time if you have its address or phone #. Even old info will help me in this quest.
I will be playing Zard tonight so shoot me a tell.

Since I will be working on this in my spare time it may take a while. If all else fails, I will be in the area of Nevada, Iowa next month so I can ask in person if other communication attempts fail.
Anyone know what it takes to start a collection agency? Seems like I may have found a fulfilling occupation. Like a bounty hunter but with credit report hits instead of lethal weapons. :smokin

-Xeck-

I think pursuing any of what you described is a really bad idea. Imonly suing in small claims court isnt a bad idea, but vigilantism of any kind is not only illegal, but dangerous.

Kad

Let me add that I AM NOT A LAWYER, but I would suspect that anyone who provides support to such an operation beforehand would be legally bound as an accomplice as well.

Kad

???
Since I will only be there to talk it would not be a crime to give me info. I am not a violent person. I only want to ask a few questions of him, as well as relatives and neighbors. Call it research into possible book "Birth of a Thief".
I am hurt that you think I would use force or vandalism to retaliate. I wouldn't do that. Just talk. Communication. An attempt to find out why the scam. Hell, if the sob story is good enough and I believe it, I will pay the money to Imonly myself.

There are legal ways to handle ALL situations. Even theft.

-Xeck-

Kadath, how is it that you have Vilelances IP address?

Likely because he was a member of VC, and posted on their message boards.

He is currently a member of VC, and I am the VC board admin, and can therefore allow admins and mods of the VC board to view IPs on all posts.

I have attempted to alert Vilelance to this thread, but I do not know if he has seen it. I personally would not want to talk behind his back, and that is a serious allegation against him posted above.

Kad

I only want to ask a few questions of him, as well as relatives and neighbors.

Right. Confront someone on their front door step over an issue that you dont have any businees in, and expect him to have a casual chat rather than:

A. Tell you to go F yourself and get off his property before he calls the cops

B. Calls the cops

C. Punch you in the face, subdue you, and call the cops

D. Worse

I'm a peaceful guy, but some dipshit showing up on my stoop to wave his finger in my face is going to get more than he expected, and I would expect the same of any sane homeowner.

Again, I suggest you disregard any idea of approaching someone like this and let the professionals, ie the courts and the police, handle it. Especially since it isnt any of your business (unless you are married to Imonly, and I dont know either of you to know if that is the case) to begin with.

Kad

So now going to someones door to ask a few questions makes me a dipshit AND in your view qualifies me for physical attack on my person? I am very glad you are a PEACEFUL person Kadath. :rolleyes
Now lets address the Vilelance subject:

1. Someone remembers that Rypper and Vilelance were the same person long ago.

2. SD admits buying Rypper account.

3. Vilelance just happens to be a member of the same guild SD was in.

4. Kadath tries misdirect and fear tactics in an attempt to take focus off of SD even though he quit his guild 4 months ago.

5. SD admits posting to at least one message board from a different computer in a different city.

Conclusion:

1. SD is Vilelance.

2. SD is still a VC member (but I think you know that already).

3. VC will cover for their own even the one that is a thief.

I suspect there is a secret yet to be revealed.

My guess is JS is a second year college student still living at his parents house. And they don't even know that the prank phone calls (if they happened at all) were a result of their son stealing $170 from someone.
Just a wild guess till I check it out.

Maybe once his parents hear what I have to say they will pay his bill for him. I know I would in their spot. I will provide the proof to support my claim of theft including his own admission of cancelled payment.

-Xeck-

So now going to someones door to ask a few questions makes me a dipshit AND in your view qualifies me for physical attack on my person?

Yes, if you take matters into your own hand and start a confrontation on someone elses property, yes that clearly is in the realm of dipshit to me, and if you look over the last 3 years on this server's board, you will find that I rarely post in NAG and it is even more rare that I curse on it. I in no way condone or encourage violence, but I presume any sane homeowner will protect himself, his family and his property from any stranger that steps foot on his soil with an axe to grind.

Kadath tries misdirect and fear tactics

Negative. I am giving you the same advice I would give regardless of guild affiliations. I ENCOURAGE you to let the professionals handle this, I AGREE that Simondavid is fully in the wrong here. Not one post in this thread have I even hinted otherwise.

SD is still a VC member (but I think you know that already).

I have already stated that I have ZERO proof of that, and have encouraged Vilelance to address it, both publically in this thread and on our private boards. I CATEGORICALLY do NOT believe it is true. If it IS true, then VC will deal with the issue privately, but you already know my personal feelings on how Simondavid has acted.

Anything else?

Kad

Nope... that about sums it up. Thankyou Kadath for your concern for my well being. It is touching.

Dipshit out!:b


-Xeck-

You arent a dipshit until you actually do it, until then, I'll consider you a reasonable person who is merely overly excited to help their friend. Good luck.

/bow

Kad

Haha... this is too funny. Kadath is right Xeck, if you showed up at my house I'd be tempted to kick your ass.

I just wanted to add that I'm not trying to throw around wild accusations or get heavily involved with this, I just don't like seeing people get ripped off and I've had the pleasure of playing with Imonly a few times.

Just to clear up where I'm coming from, through my guild's several incarnations I've almost always been the one who keeps track of the roster and other junk like that. Partly because of this, I save all my logs; I just use a simple splitter to move them into a seperate directory once in a while.

Anyway, for quite some time I was guilded with a person who played the characters of Rypper and Vilelance. I double-checked myself before posting by doing a simple text search of my logs, which revealed:

[Sat Dec 08 15:16:23 2001] Rypper tells you, 'Vilelance main, Rypper and Blackened are the alts'

Blackened was a druid, I believe. Like I said, I don't know for a fact that all these characters are on the same account, but I'm pretty sure that they were -- I never saw two of them on at once.

That doesn't mean that the person playing Vilelance is this John Saunders, but he still may know something that could be useful about the Rypper character, since that's where the plat went.

as the Norrath turns.......

Thankyou Fullwin for the info.

Kadath, is Blackened a VC member also?

Dethnyte, I think it is nice that you back your fellow guild members. (Kadath and Vilelance) Key words in your post are "tempted" and "try". Those words represent the choice all people have between slamming the door in my face or jail time for assault. If someone comes to your door unarmed and you even as much as hold them you WILL be guilty of assault. I would gladly take a beating if it meant JS or a relative spend some time behind bars. NP. I will just make sure my life insurance policy is up to date.

I have a question for ya Xeck..

Lets say that you do go to SD's house and he or his wife answers the door. Here's how I see this playing out..

Xeck: Hi I wondered if I could ask you a few questions about your husband blah blah blah (However you would approach her or him depending on who came to the door).

SD's wife: (for scenarios' sake) I don't know who you are and I don't feel comfortable talking to you about my husband.

Would you leave? Or would you be persistent. If you were persistent then calling the police on you would be valid. That could be considered harassment.

I know that if a stranger came to my door I wouldn't want to sit there and have a conversation with you no matter what it was concerning. If I were SD's wife then whatever conversation we would have about the internet and paypal and whatever would be between me and him. It would be none of your business. If it were SD coming to the door instead of his wife you can bet he would be a little more pissed than if it were his wife answering. And he may be a little freaked out that you were so into this whole thing when you had no part of it. Not to mention the fact that you bothered to come out to his house which may very well be in a different state.. Concluding that you have so little going on in your life to where you can become so obsessed with this matter.

Take some friendly advice and let Imonly deal with this.. sympathize and be a friend. Don't be a psycho.

I shoot first ask questions later..

Just kidding..

No really come to my door..

Blazemore

To be honest, there is very little I can do personally at this point to get my money back. A lawsuit would have little chance of succeeding, and would probably not be worth the time I would have to invest taking off work, especially since I live multiple states away from Iowa. While showing up at Mr. Saunders' front door may not be the most adviseable course of action, the main reason I made this post in the first place was to expose Mr. Saunders to everyone so they don't get screwed.

If Simondavid is indeed Vilelance (and I'm not saying he is), it is in the best interests of the Ay Ro community to find out so they know they are dealing with a scammer. I would highly encourage such an investigation to continue to either: a.) prove that Simondavid is not Vilelance and clear up the association that has already been proven via logs to exist, or b.) prove that Vilelance is indeed Simondavid, so everyone knows to deal with any transactions with him accordingly.

Mr. Saunders obviously doesn't value his real life reputation, or his feduciary responsibility to me, but hopefully his in-game reputation means something to him that ruining it would prompt him to pay me what I'm owed.

Overall, I must say that I'm impressed with the support I've recieved from the community, even though I'm technically not a member of that community any longer. Thanks to everyone for their continuing efforts to right an obvious wrong.

Actully someone correct me if im wrong but SD lives in 1 state, Imonly lives in another....now im not a lawyer but what SD did can be contrude as Fraud and not sure about the monitary value of the fraud but, could have sworn i heard some where that fraud across state lines is a FEDERAL offense. But i could be completely off here

Kadath, is Blackened a VC member also?

I've never seen nor heard of that character, either in VC or out. I still havent talked to Vilelance myself either.

(Should point out that I am not nor have I ever been the guildmaster of VC, I am however an officer and our most public voice on these boards)

Kad

I am impressed! Valiant Crusaders have quite the turnout for this thread:
Almadine, Aazumar, Blazemore, Dethnyte, Lahle, Jedcea, Palora, Vladius and Udabut. Even Wuin chimed in posting as Osgiliath a few times. All for someone that left the guild long ago. Hmmmm.
A few responses...
Lahle- Yes, if his wife (or mom) declined to talk to me after I told her what my quest was I would indeed leave the property. No question about it. I would instead focus on willing relatives and neighbors. I don't force anyone to talk to me. But you would be surprise how many people don't mind talking if they have nothing to hide.
Blazemore- While I have to deal with first, if I live through it and you shoot me a tell with your addy. I would be glad to test whether you would indeed shoot me for knocking at your door. Of course I would have to wait till I am in the area like in the scammers case. I am not going to make a special trip.

Think of the big picture. If by doing this I can change Mr. Saunders from a life of crime saving countless victims of needless emotional distress and financial hardship shouldn't I take a day or two to do it? As a society I would hope more people would do the same. If a relative of mine was proved to have ripped off someone, I would appologize for their actions and pay the debt. Then deal with the thief afterwards. Some VC members seem to have a different code of ethics. It does indeed take all kinds.

Future dipshit out!

-Xeck-

I did forget something. I don't know Imonly. I have not even seen her char or chars in game. My response to this thread is based on what the both agree happened.
Bottom line is Imonly lost $176.05 because Johnny decided not to pay as agreed. Anyone in VC disagree with that?

Future dipshit out!
-Xeck-

BTW- I will be playing Zard again tonight (after 9pm eastern time) in case anyone has info. Shoot me a tell and I will let you know what I have already. I can't post the info here.

a relative of mine
Interesting how you twist words Xeck, how can you compare a ex guildy and a "relative"?
Hey wait, I'm talking to you, we are both part of Ayo Ro communauty, we are relative right? Ok I'm sending you bills and debts, can I have your address please? (You can try to deal with me later of course ;) )

As well, you are comparing something that happened in real life with real cash and a platinum scam in EQ. If I steal a banana (you want a banana, don't you?), my guild in EQ should pay the grocer back?

Oh and the best for the end...
I can't post the info here.
:rollin

Not a dipshit... Just a... clown, yeah. :)

Don't misunderstand, Xeck.. The VC that are posting in this thread aren't defending SD. It seems that VC is being associated with SD and his actions when he left VC months ago! Why are we posting.. basically to let people (YOU mainly) know that we are in no way "sticking up" for SD. We have repeatedly posted that he did left.. we even posted his good bye thread..

Anyone in VC disagree with that?

Dont think anyone has. I've told you countless times that I think Simon was wrong based on the information I have seen here. Simon hasnt been VC for 4+ months now, perhaps you can badger whatever guild he was in after us too. =)

Does the word Munchausen mean anything to you? Hope I spelled that right...

Kad

I am sorry I confused you, Anterak. I was refering to RL family and society not in game ones. I am not saying that because Vilelance is still a VC member that anyone in that guild should pay the debt for him. In addition, if they want to keep him in their guild that is entirely up to them. I was referring to RL family members ripping off someone and RL society benefiting from one less thief. If he can change what he has become. I didn't draw the line between RL and game because I thought that it was self evident. My mistake.
As for you promoting me from dipshit to clown... it is not your call. Maybe if you can explain why me not posting his personal info when he has not done anything to me (yet) qualifies me for promotion I could accept this great honor!

Future dipshit and possible clown out!

-Xeck-

Xeck... I'm not sure who this Vilelance guy is. Probably due to the fact that I haven't logged into EQ for months. As for the VC 'sticking' up for Simondavid, perhaps you could go back and read and realize that noone is sticking up for him. I was just saying, that if you showed up at my doorstep spouting off your mouth about something that has absolutely nothing to do with you then I'd be tempted to kick your ass. Would I? Probably not, but then again depends on the day that I'm having when you decide to knock.

I am not saying that because Vilelance is still a VC member that anyone in that guild should pay the debt for him. In addition, if they want to keep him in their guild that is entirely up to them.

OMFG What debt does Vilelance have? He isn't the same guy.. as far as their IP addresses go. I don't think that he would be deceptive to VC and not tell us he was originaly SD.. he left on good terms. And if you want to reason that he posted from a different computer.. why go through that trouble? SO leave Vilelance out of this.. He has been proven nothing else but innocent so far. And we will keep him in the guild because..... again.....He has been proven nothing else but innocent so far.. HOWEVER.. if he turned out to be SD we would take necessary steps that are really none of your business. But I can assure you that we wouldn't pay off his debt.

Sorry to sound like a broken record but thats all I hear from you..

He has been proven nothing else but innocent so far
The connection between Rypper and Vilelance prove that he's innocent? How so?

All I can say is:

The connection between Rypper and Vilelance

is using the same logic as:

1) Is there proof that the prank calls/emails ever happened?
2) Is there any proof that they are connected to Imonly's bad choice of judgement when posting the details?

That said I, and I don't think any VC, has seen Vilelance in about a week to confirm his is, or is not, SD.

I have no clue about this thread. i know 2 things though. 1. Pay him his fucking money. 2. vilelence is an alt of rypper. Ryp and I were in Undead lords together many moons ago. We had a shitload of necros. so he started a monk and i started a wizard i already had to 30. the monks name he started was vilelence. Ryp and Vil were on the same account at that time and i know that Ryp account is ebay . Simon, you canceled a transaction and now you are gettin spam from good people hating scammers and your using BS as an excuse not to pay. My guess is if no one woulda said anything to you, you woulda never even showed your face.

dwelf

And it is quite possible that Simondavid sold the account to the current owner of Vilelance. Is Vilelance even ebay? I dont know for sure, its all conjecture and hearsay. Its even possible that the Vilelance / Rypper characters were split onto seperate accounts.

VC has no rules against ebayed members. Despite the fact that a good number of us dislike it, its none of our business, so long as the person plays their character reasonably well and lives up to our stated codes....

If there were a way for me to contact Vilelance to get his side of the story, you can bet I would. I have made every possible effort available to me.

Kad

A new day dawns on the message board! Hiya! I hope everyone is doing well today!

Where should I begin? Well, since the number of VC posters claiming that I should read the posts again so I see that no one is sticking up for John, we will start there:

Kadath- "While Simondavid is no longer in my guild, I can vouch for his honor and it would VERY much surprise me to scam anyone."

Udabut- "Imonly delivered on his part but payment was delayed. So he made a public post naming Simondavid's real name and city calling him a scammer. If I were a lawyer this might be called slander."

Jedcea- "I would have to say both are equally at fault for the situation that Simondavid is now facing in his personal life. To be honest, if I were Simondavid I would be pretty ticked off also and would really have trouble paying Imonly, in essence letting him off the hook for what he started by posting so quickly."

Vladius- "If I were Simondavid, I take his ass to court for privacy violations."

Lahle- "Well... Imonly did put Simondavid's personal home information and his first and last name on a public message board. That wasn't cool.. I don't think anyone would appreciate that in the least even if they did 'deserve it' Imonly could have at least had the courtesy to blur it out."

Aazumar- "A guy gets a web error and has two screens up. He then cancels one so he's not double charged. Then he's unavailable for a couple days. Well, god damn! Shit happens ok."

Then come the fear tactics. Support for the scammer all the same.

Blazemore- "I shoot first and ask questions later
Just kidding...
No really come to my door.."

Dethnyte- I was just saying that if you showed up at my doorstep spouting off your mouth about something that has absolutely nothing to do with you then I'd be tempted to kick your ass."

There are more examples of this type of support but since they are from a couple of VC members that have already been quoted I will not repeat because my point has already been made.

Lahle, am I missing something? You said "He has proven nothing else but innocent so far. HOWEVER.. if he turned out to be SD we would take necessary steps that are really none of your business. But I can assure you that we wouldn't pay off his debt. Sorry to sound like a broken record but thats all I hear from you."
I would chock it up to you not having read my last post except for one small thing... You quoted that post! With me saying I do not think VC should pay for this scam and that it is up to you what you do with him! Help me out here. What am I missing?
As far as the question of Simondavid=Rypper+Vilelance...
So far we have 2 people come forward making the connection between Rypper and Vilelance. How many more will be enough for you to accept this fact?

I am looking forward to seeing your replies.

Future dipshit and possible clown out!

-Xeck-

To be honest, there is very little I can do personally at this point to get my money back.

Imonly, you're a fucking moron. I spelled out EXACTLY how to get the money back from him and you didn't even seem to listen.

Sheesh SHAtrius, because I didn't feel that your suggestion would be a fruitful activity, I'm a fucking moron?

First of all, honestly, why would Mr. Saunders, who knows what my real name and address are, accept a package from me now, especially after he is most likely reading this same thread I am with your suggestion in it? I don't think he's that stupid. Well...nah, probably not that stupid.

Secondly, spending money on a delivery confirmation letter, while it may be a small amount, would just be throwing good money after bad, in my opinion.

Thirdly, I had already contacted Paypal repeatedly telling them that the goods I delivered were virtual, and that I had no tracking number. I would think that Paypal would be very suspicious should I suddenly present a tracking number after multiple emails explaining the situation to their customer service.

I appreciate your suggestion, and I know you were trying to help, but it didn't seem like a course of action that was likely to end in success. Sorry you feel I am a fucking moron because of it.

Thirdly, I had already contacted Paypal repeatedly telling them that the goods I delivered were virtual, and that I had no tracking number.

Paypal clearly states that no action can be taken against claims for virtual items. Had you taken 2 seconds to read, you would have known that and known that stating these were virtual goods waived any right you had to an appeal.

Sorry you lost you money, Simondavid is clearly an asshole, but I think you could have handled the situation better and recovered your money fairly easily.

How does PayPal verify the shipping address? My early info shows that this is a false address. With the actual residence 400 yards NE of there. A different street altogether.

Getting closer Johnny.:D

With love,
-Xeck-

Former dipshit and possible clown. Promotion delayed due to gag order.;)

Shortyrez, perhaps you are right, but unfortunately, I didn't have the benefit of 20:20 hindsight at the time. My fault for naively assuming that most people out there aren't scamming assholes, I won't make the same mistake again.

I just wanted to add that long ago I was ripped off by someone using the email address "Vileproductions@hotmail.com" (at least I think it was hotmail its been awhile). This person also was a reader of these boards. Sooo.. not saying that person WAS Vilelance... but... certainly is a nice coincidence.

Master Damoiel Mindbend
Retired Enchanter of the 60th Season

Sure, go ahead and take that snippet out of context, perhaps you missed this paragraph DIRECTLY preceding it:

Please clarify: Is this characters first name Simondavid or first name Simon last name David?

After that point Imonly clarified it as the Simondavid I know, he admitted as much, and he has been vilified by VC as much as anyone else for not sticking to his contracted agreement, despite the fact that BOTH the real property owners and the service used for the transaction have stated that virtual property for real cash are against their rules.

If Vilelance is indeed Simondavid, and again I ONLY have hearsay from people I dont know, you can bet that I and VC will take actions against him. Until that is shown to us Vilelance is a member in good standing in VC. I havent said that it is out of the realm of possibilities and I agree that there is circumstantial evidence to the worst of possibilities, but until then, I can only state what I know, that Vilelance has done nothing that I can show is outside our charter.

Kad

Out of context? If I quoted the entire post it still would have be "sticking up" for Johnny.
But while you are here...I would like to address your statement about ebayed chars. Doesnt your guild rules state "As a guild we must observe and follow all game-related policies set forth by Verant Interactive. These include, but are not limited to, the Play Nice Policy, Policies regarding Compromised accounts (the buying/ selling/ trading of accounts, etc.,) and the character naming policy."?
If this has also been taken out of context... I am on a hot streak! Woot!

Since I only post on weekdays I will come here Monday for more fun. (Friday is weekend day for me):D
Have a nice weekend everyone. I include VC members in this because I really do admire your defense of Vilelance/SD and do not have anything against any of you. Most of your members I hold in high regard.

Future Dipshit and pending Clown out for now!

with love,
-Xeck-

Looks like you caught me in a 'lie'. Honestly didnt remember us having that rule as we havent had many known previously owned characters in the time we've been in operation, and its never been an issue. Thanks for pointing that out.

I dont suspect we'll make an issue of it for those known to be playing pre-loved characters, feel free to call us hypocrites.

Kad

hypocrites! er... wait... Nevermind.

Dont know if this is a coincidence or what, but as off tonight Vilelance isnt tagged VC and none of our officers booted him.... I hadnt thought of using the guild tool to see when he was last on before now, and when I looked, he was gone. Still hoping to hear from him.

Kad

Hey I am down with takin down a scammer. It ticks me off bad too. I am just sayin any stranger at my doorstep that was accusing me of anything, regardless of guilt or not, and didn't get the first and only hint to get off my property wouldn't leave walking.

I wasn't dissing your quest, just the methods big guy. But hey all the best luck too you, just gotta be safe and smart about it.

Blazemore

Hey Dipshit....err Xeck, how could you leave me out of that list of VC quotes? I'm so offended.



PS. You are Forgiven.

You wouldn't have even known this bloody mass used to be a horse.

Hiya everyone! I hope you all had a good weekend. Now back to the message board fun!
Kadath, I think to be correct in your post that you 'lied' someone would of had to say that you were lied. No one said that your statement that VC didn't have a policy against ebayed chars was a lie. Only that you may not be aware that it is one of your rules and that it may have been changed or taken out of context. For you to jump all the way to "lie" doesnt apply unless you knew when you made that statement that it was not true. I don't know either way. So lets just call it an oversight. ;)
Almadine, irony is my favorite form of comedy. You call me "dipshit" then ask me why I left you out of the VC quote parade. I would have thought it apparent. But lets make it a contest. First one to post the reason for this omission wins 100pp. Not much to ubers but you can donate it to a newbie.
Here is a hint...

What is it that sets the quotes of Almadine, Palora and Shadowmage apart from the ones of Lahle, Aazumar, Udabut, Dethnyte, Blazemore, Vladius, Jedcea and Wuin (osgiliath)?

The prize may be small but it is 5% of my plat so I will have to assume that it is more or less a 100p newbie quest. Let the contest begin!

with love,
-Xeck-

Future dipshit and impending clown out!

I wasn't calling you anything that you weren't referring to yourself as. I was just helping you make the jump from "Future Dipshit" to the present. I like to help out like that when I can. :)

SO I need to defend SD to get my name in lights? FINE, here you go....

On second thought, I can't do it.


PS You are Forgiven.

Ooo...oooo...can I be forgiven too Alma? Sorry, wasn't able to defend SD either...such a shame that VC's name it being associated with him. :(

We have a winner! Congrats to Almadine for observing that to be included in the defend the scammer parade of quotes you first have to defend the scammer with a post. I will look you up to give you the prize.
I feel that you are wrong about the "dipshit" point though. If I refer to myself as Kadath did (future dipshit), it is different than you referring to me as "dipshit". You are actually the first to call me "dipshit". You can call me this or whatever you want that is worse if you chose but to excuse it by saying you do it because I call myself future dipshit is weak. To help you understand this here is an example:

If I were to refer to myself as future wormfood, is it the same as referring to myself as wormfood?

If you want to call me dipshit on its own merits then that is different. I think everyone is ok with that. :)

I will try to catch you tonight to present your winnings. See you then.

-Xeck-

Future dipshit and impending clown out!

But wouldn't "Future Dipshit" mean that eventually you will become just plain "Dipshit" at somepoint? Perhaps my interpretation of Future was a Few days from that post and your interpretation of Future is farther down the road than that. I apologize for jumping the gun on the future and calling you Dipshit, I will refer to you as Future Dipshit from now on until you decide the Future has approached us.


PS Am I forgiven?

Beauty of that is the future will never arrive

Future has already been defined by Kadath. It will be in the first half of next month when I go to Nevada, Iowa to ask questions. But I will refrain from signing out with references including both clown and dipshit until I return from Iowa. If I live through it. :b

with love,

-Xeck-

Sign in my local service center:

'Free gas tomorrow'

Kad

Wow, to be associated with VC again even in small matter such as this dead horse. It makes me proud. Seriously. Good buch of folks. It's been forever and a day since that happened.

-Osgiliath Numenore
-Wuin Starbreaker

bah go back to sleep wuin

LOL. Wow some of you people may want to think about going out and possibly getting a life. I hadnt been back here since August until a friend emailed me last week and said someone from the board said they were going to stop buy my house. So just to clear a couple things up.


I never canceled the payment to Imonly. I canceled the payment to the incorrect email address. Now if Paypal screwed it up and stopped payment on both (I know nothing gets screwed up over the internet right?) I would have been more then willing to to try to fix it until I see my name plastered here. Then I start to recieve threatening phone calls other stupid crap. Never...not once did I recieve a phone call from Imonly, or an email except for a few days later where he threatens that he got some good ideas from people on the internet, and that he may follow through with them. So I think more power to ya douchebag.

A day or two later I am thinking. You know I might be kinda pissed and fly off the handle, and post some stupid shit if that happen to me so I decide I am going to send him the money. I go to my checking account onlineand what do I see: JUN30# FDR DEBIT CARD/MC DEBIT/030630 176.05 1199.05
# /PAYPAL *SCOTTGEFFRE/402 935 7733/CA Sorry for the cut and paste, but its the best I can do. I dont know how to post the pics of the scanned images of my account. So I think Heh cool all taken care.

Now I come here and read all this crap. Well I am done. I am not trying to help fix anything. I am out the cash. I still have to date never recieved any emails from Imonly, or paypal. So as far as I know it is taken care of.

Now as for Xeck coming by my house. If you feel the need to go ahead, but be warned. I am not a 17 year old kid living in my parents basement. I am 32 year old with a wife and 2 sons, and after reading these posts last week. We took the 2 recorded phone calls that we had. One that threatened my wife to the County Attorney. She said it would be rather difficult to do anything, but she has contacted ezboard in San Fransisco I believe and is working on getting Xeck's, Imonly's and a couple other people's ip addrresses so because she believes that threats came from one of them. Also Xeck, incase you didnt know in Iowa you can be arrested for tresspassing on someones private property if you have been warned not to be there. So consider this me telling you not to step on my private property. True I dont know your true name (yet), but the county Attorney assures me that if you show up, and we call the police she will do her best to make the connection between you, and the person that came to my house, and the caller.

So to recap: either Imonly has been payed and is being a dumbass, and saying he hasnt. Imonly has been payed by paypal, and has not checked his account. Or paypal fucked it up and has the money and isnt paying anyone. No matter what happen I am out the money, and I am out the character I got rid of him a while ago and switched to SWG.

I am now done with this thread I think I got everything in it I wanted to if not oh well. Good luck A Ro. Sorry VC for getting your name drug through the mud was never my intention.

Feel free to flame away cuase I wont be here to see it. Unless I get another email that someone is threatening something stupid again.

Oh Kivorn or any other mod - Ezboard legal department is pretty interested in how you are clearly violating the TOU aggreement, by letting personal inforamtion inculding my address to be posted and linked in this thread. It is also a vioaltion to post or allow to be posted anyones IP address.

Good luck.

blah....sorry for not correcting the spelling or grammer mistakes, but I just got home, and am tired. So deal with it.

I hadnt been back here since August until a friend emailed me last week

You posted on the first page of this item, dated June 25th.

hmm aint been here since next month....i wanna see that trick

Somebody is sweating!:lol Post your lawyers name and I would be more than happy to talk to her. Unlike you I have nothing to hide. No emails or phone calls to Iowa (yet). I will also abide by every law and will check with the local police when I get there to be sure of local laws. See you soon!
As for your bank taking the money from your account... It is an easy thing to check. Contact your bank and paypal to find where the money is. It cannot just disappear. If it comes down to paypal saying that Imonly has the money (and I doubt that) they can give you proof. It can be done in time to prevent me from coming to find out for myself what you are hiding.
By the way, John, if you are telling the truth you should be happy that I am incoming. You can show me the emails and let me hear the calls on tape and I can come back here as a witness to your actually getting them. As it stand now most people just figure it is another lie. However if instead of paying your debt that you have admitted you owe, you would rather have a contest of lawyers, I am ok with that. That is the joy of a clear record and reputation (and lots of spare cash).
Give me your lawyers info and I will have mine contact her. I am willing to do my part to get Imonly her money. Thats what we all want right?
Since John won't be back here to read this post, it is up to you (friend of John) to let him know what he needs to do to keep me from asking the questions of his family and neighbors. Pay the money or post the lawyers name or email address. You have a couple of weeks still. The clock is ticking.

Looking forward to meeting you though so the solution of this debt would disappoint me slightly. But I can live with it.

with love,

-Xeck-

Are you gonna be selling the video's of your trip xeck?!? Like a EQ gone wild type deal!!

I am still curious as to why Xeck is taking the liberty to go out there himself when he had nothing to do with either people or the transaction. Someone really needs to get a life.

WOW!

NEWS FLASH!! It appears that I have finally recieved my money. I will post the details later today, as I have to run to a work meeting, but wanted to let everyone know as soon as I did.

Hmm...I may have spoken too soon. I went into Paypal today to pull up the dispute screen, just to see if what Mr. Saunders said was true, and noticed I had $170.64 in my Paypal account ($175.05 minus Paypal's fees for credit card transactions). HOWEVER, that money is in a "pending" state, and I cannot do anything with it. Here is a screenshot of why:

home.attbi.com/~sgeffre/paypalscreen.gif (http://home.attbi.com/~sgeffre/paypalscreen.gif)

Unless I'm reading this wrong (which is entirely possible), Mr. Saunders has logged a dispute with his credit card company regarding this money. Because of that, Paypal voided his claim of non-delivery, and now have to work it out with the credit card company. Essentially, he simply changed the dispute from Paypal to his credit card company. I have a call into Paypal to confirm this, and am awaiting their response.

Again, I may be wrong, but until that money is actually released to me, I'm afraid I haven't been paid after all. :( Just FYI for those of you still interested in this. As I have said from the beginning, I will inform the community immediately if and when I do get paid.

Dammit, my roomate was on my PC with his login. The above comments were made by me.

/siff /whimper /cry Have a nice day everyone.

Simon, please shoot me an email, you know your new address is safe with me.

Kad

It is interesting how some people view theft. I will ask a question of you, Lahle. But since you didn't answer the last question I asked this may be a waste of time. It is worth a try.
Lahle, if someone on the street that is a stranger to you is mugged and you know who did it would you turn them in? Keep in mind you don't know them so it is none of your business, right? Would you only do something to get the victims money back if it was in your power, IF you had no life?
I still believe that it is EVERYONES responsibility to do something about it if they are able. It's not like John is innocent. He admits to cancelling the transaction. And where he has had a month now to fix this he instead uses ever changing excuses to keep Imonly's money. First he says because of emails and phonecalls to his residence he wasn't going to pay. Then a few days later he says he had a change of heart and decide to pay his debt but... Lookie here! The money was taken from his account after all!

Just a couple observations:

1. Notice the date for the supposed line from his online checking account. It is dated Jun 30th. Days AFTER he checked the account. Nice trick but then again remember that he hasn't been to the message board since August. :rolleyes
2. If John has told the truth here we are to believe he saw the deduction from his account but never came here to see if Imonly was indeed going to post saying payment had been made? Yea, right. This ploy will fail just like the last one. Anyone that has money taken from their account under these circumstances would have checked the statis by now since it has been A MONTH! And still you try to cling to hope that everyone buys it. :lol

I have decided to wait until Monday at which time I will meet with my lawyer to discuss defensive and offensive options. If you miss this post and your "friend" doesn't tell you about it again, don't worry, my lawyer will be able to find yours if your information is correct. There is a first time for everything.
Paypal will fix this if you want them to. You just gotta try.

Goodluck back at ya, John.

-Xeck-

Ok Xeck.. If I were to see someone get mugged and I knew who did it I would tell them "hey so and so mugged you" I would not go run after him because 1. It's not my place to do that when I could be putting myself in danger and 2. because there are people that are paid to do that.. the police. Plus it is one thing if you are standing on the street and that happened in front of you because then you know the whole story. But running off to another state is a totally different ball park. You are spending your time and money and I seriously don't think you will get a damn thing accomplished. Going to another state? That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.. To go off and "investigate" a story you read on a message board. And getting lawyers involved? I am guessing you are spending money on them as well because usually lawyers don't work for free.. So good luck if you plan on going through with this stupid plan. I hope whatever you are spending on it is worth it.

Udabut:
---"So Imonly, I'm assuming you are more of a computer geek than I am, accountant remember .

What you are saying, if I can find your personal info on line somehow, social security number and all, it is perfectly fine for me to post it here? It is public info isn’t it? I’m just connecting the dots, and letting 10,000 people, about the population of Aro, that are riled up about this know your real name and address, and who knows what else. Makes you feel safe sleeping at night doesn’t it!

You married? Have kids? How about the 100 people send your wife and kids emails saying, F**K every in every sentence like 90% of the posts here, that sound good? If you did the math that’s 1% of the population we are talking about.

I’m not going to do that. Just think about what you did. In your earlier post you said, “this is all public info, I just connected the dots.” Well there is a lot of info that is “public” if you look close enough.

If your logic is sound, all I can say is welcome back to the 1950’s. Not that we are looking for communist, now. When you post personal info, “public” or not, you just did two things: A) Blacklisted that person. B) Just yelled fire in a theater, in this case Simindavids house.

Even if you didn’t want to wait 24 hours, let alone the 2 to 3 days that was asked. I’m assuming he did ask you sense you have yet to dispute it. Did you have to put personal info on the boards? I’m sure he knows who Simondavid is.

If everyone hasn’t realized yet, I’m more upset about the personal info getting posted on the public boards than I am about the 100K plat or the $170.00. And in that way I feel Simondavid has paid a lot more than $170.00."

Ok Mr. Boofuckingwho. The fact is that Simondavid didn't come through on his end of the bargain and you would be pissed too. I challenge you to find ANY information on me and post it to the public so I can fucking laugh at you man. Big deal. Havent you ever heard the phrase 'sticks and stones my break my bones, but words could never hurt me.'?

I can pretty much guarentee ninety nine percent of the people on these message boards couldn't own up to half the shit they say. So go on noble on Imonly, it's not like you give a flying fuck.

Hey Galvin,

Imonly has been proven right by the fact that he has not been paid. Steal money from me and I will damm sure hunt you down and post everything I can find out about you.

SD could have put this to rest on the first page. He did not. You need to shut up.

Lahle, thankyou for answering the questions from my last post. I am still waiting for the answer to the previous question. What is it that is all you hear from me? But for now lets take a look at your last post:

You said- "If I were to see someone get mugged and I knew who did it I would tell them 'hey so and so mugged you'. I would not go run after him because 1. It's not my place to do that when I could be putting myself in danger and 2. because there are people that are paid to do that.. the police."

I read this twice because I could not believe my eyes. You would not go after them because its not your place and it might put you in danger? And because it is the police's job to do that? Nice. What about the people that are going to get hurt or killed between the time of the mugging and the police arresting the mugger? Do you think the mugger is going to sit and wait for this arrest? YOU would be, in part, responsible for these crimes. I am sorry but danger has never stopped me from doing what I believe needs to be done. Prior preparation is the key to reducing these dangers.
As for it being the police's job... It is made easier for them if the mugger is face down on the sidewalk. They dont have to find them or prove it is the right person.
Since in John's case we know where he is and who he is the police option DOES apply. It will be my first stop in Nevada, Iowa. Like giving John the option of paying his debt, I will give the police the option of arresting him. But I do not think they will do this. I will plan accordingly.
On the subject of why I would go many states away just to ask questions in an investigation of the thief. I thought I said this before but just in case I didn't I will state it now. I will be in the area already. No special trip. I say again. No special trip. I hope this is clear now. And again I say... No special trip.
On the subject of lawyers. I was not the one who pulled this card. It was John in his last post. But don't worry about the money I will pay in this area. I can handle it.

Those that know me in game and in RL know I will try every avenue to peacefully resolve a problem. What happens after that is always a judgement call. Once I spent 2k to keep a thief from profiting less than 3 hundred dollars. I am not conserned about money. I have enough for what I want with some to spare. I felt alot better paying the 2k then I would have knowing the thief got away with the 3 hundred. The same thing applies in John's case.

John, I am still waiting for you to provide info for us to contact your lawyer. Her investigation would be helped by the info I will provide to her. You will not look good when it comes to light when I get there that you had the ability to assist her in her investigation of me by giving me her email address and ignored it. Tangled web is getting tighter, ehh?

with love,

-Xeck-

Geesh could you be more dramatic kid.

Blazemore