Well since the discussion on slavery was opened in the Breaking News!! thread I thought we could open the discussion here instead of derailing that thread. (but its pretty much off the tracks anyway, i still have hope tho!)

So with slavery, should bygones be bygones or decendants pay for their ancestors misstake (i never really got this p.o.v).

They way I see it, if modern day slave decendants want compensation, they should seek it from African tribes, they invented it and they captured most slaves and sold off to the whites for the triangle trade to begin with.

Can someone please explain the opposite point of view for me, as i dont see the logic in it. Its like blaming Germans born in the later end 20th century for the holocaust.

White Man's Guilt.

To paraphrase an African-American actor from the movie "Barber Shop"

'Reparations are a bad idea, if black people got free money from the government, Cadillac would be the number one car company in America.'

The only time reparations were paid to any one ethnic group was $20,000 dollars paid to Japanese-American survivors of the interment camps, and 1.5 billion dollars into an education fund. Paying 7th+ generation African-Americans for shitty happenings that went on long before they were born is bullshit.

Just because my great great great great great great grandfather owned slaves and said racist words doesn't mean I do and I shouldn't have to pay for it.

P.S. Black people like me!

it is all political softing.

like the United Negro College fund to help only black people to get an education; descrimiating against Whites, Asians, and Hispanics. They have lots of excuses like they are oppressed and their ancestors where slaves and america owes them or some bogus bull shit.i don't think they check any backgroud to see if you are direct decentant from slave you just have to be black skined.

remember it's ok to be raciest as long as you are not white, then you are a bad person.

It was a bad thing, but I had nothing to do with it and neither did any of my direct ancestors.

If anyone expected special consideration from me just because I'm white and they're black, I'd tell them that would be racist of us both. In reality, I've NEVER run into a person even hinting at it.

This is 2003.9. Women are CEOs, men are moms, and slavery isn't to "the man", it's to consumer debt.

I agree with Hubbe. They sold their own people out.

Slavery is obviously a bad thing. BUT if it had never happend, African Americans would not be in the U.S. in the population they are today. One benefit of the whole slave period, was that African people were brought here, in mass, and eventually got their roots here much sooner than if they had never been forcibly "imported" so to speak.

The ancestors argument is fucking bullshit. It's done. Over. If you aren't ACTUALLY a surviving slave, you aren't entitled to shit, unless your ancestors left you something that is legally yours etc. Not just some "I'm black, you're white, gimme my money" crap.

Would be funny if government paid compensation to the x-th generation of the slave's family.
But well, anything strange can happen in the us sometimes it is good, sometimes just sad. sometimes funny.

I doubt however the slavery would be African tribes' fault.
If one buys a gun, goes to bank, robs it, while kills 7 people...then its not the one's fault who sold the gun.

worst..analogy..ever.

'I agree with Hubbe. They sold their own people out. '

- *puts his head in his lap and cries*

Ok.. heres the slavery thing.

Coastal African tribes would go inland and round up people from rival tribes.
They would take them and sell them to English (http://www.daintycrew.com/slavetrade.htm) and Dutch (http://books.caribseek.com/Curacao/Commercial_History_of_Curacao/rise-of-the-dutch-slave-trade.shtml)traders.
These traders would take them across the Atlantic to sell in the Americas for huge profits. The ones that survived the voyage anyway.
Once there the slaves would be sold to large Plantations which would produce Cotton and Tobacco mostly.. 90% of which was bought by Europe.
Sometimes the goods produced by these slaves would be taken back to European ports by the very same ships that brought over slaves.

Looks to me Europe should pay it. Probably trace that dirty fricken slave running pirate right back to one of Halo's great great great grand papa's. PAY UP!

The idea behind reparations stems from basic inequality in the United States. The US likes to believe we exist on a basis where everyone is good and equal, has an equal opportunity for success in life. Most people however realize that quite simply that isn't the case. If you are born in a poor neighborhood you have much less of a chance of attending a good school, living in an environment where education and "good" behavior are encouraged, and having family wealth to get you into a good college. The worse the neighborhood, down to your local gang turfs, the worse your chances for success. Plenty of research and anecdotal evidence for that.

Special funds like the United Negro College fun are set up to offset this basic problem, and supply people who, in the eyes of the creators of the fund, are starting at less of a strong position than others. This is obviously a sweeping generalization, since not every black person is born into the ghetto nor is every white person born rich. However, if you look at the demographics (or just walk into an inner city school) you'll notice pretty quickly that there is a definitely disproportionate number of blacks to whites (or Latinos, depending on where you are....). I don't have a problem with programs like this at all - I think they address a very real discrepancy, and work mostly on a basis of merit.

Reparations are closely related. They stem from the idea that blacks are currently living in a lower class environment due to their treatment by whites. In other words, white man brought them here and made them slaves, while whites had business and land ownership. Once slavery was ended blacks were free...but with what resources to start with?

You could argue that over the fact that in the course of several generations blacks have had time to play catch up, but simple glances at prison populations/economic demographics/employment levels in business will show you that there is still a huge gap. Why that gap still exists is a good question.

The problem I have with reparations is that there is no real evidence that handing someone money is going to solve anything. College scholarship, maybe. And funds that are setup by do-gooders are at least a free will type of thing. But asking someone to pay reparations based on the actions of their ancestors is the same line of thinking related to having royalty sit on the throne based on their birth. Each successive generation has felt less and less responsible for slavery, and will probably continue to do so.

But there is a real problem that needs a solution of some sort. Leaving the poor and uneducated to rot in the inner cities is NOT a solution. Neither is handing over money. It's also not realistic to say they can just move if they don't like their surroundings. Possible, but very challenging.

Incidental, saying that only African tribes who sold slaves should be held responsible is like saying a drug dealer is not responsible for what they do - after all, someone else grew the drugs, right? Traders who brought slaves across the ocean are just as guilty, if not more so since they supplied a crucial link in the market.


-Kanyli

(And before anyone jumps in - yes I know that there are poor outside the inner cities, and that more people are involved than blacks, Latinos, whites, and whatever else. But to keep this post under several pages, some generalizations are necessary.)

I don't think we should pay reperations. We can not be held accountable for things people did 200-300 years ago.

My ancestors came from Ireland in the early 1800's on my moms side. On my dad's side his father was french canadian and his mother was Cherokee. None of wich ever owned slaves or had anything to do with slave trade.
It's like that whole Land claim deal. My ancesters had their land taken and were tossed onto a rerservation. I don't think that entitles me to that land even though they are my ancestors.

It's like that whole Land claim deal. My ancesters had their land taken and were tossed onto a rerservation. I don't think that entitles me to that land even though they are my ancestors.

Please do not touch that subject because Zehn said he would ban people doing so ..

And no people are not responsible for slavery, people are responsible for still treating the African American as slaves aka treat em worse then white people ... I think Slavery still has a large effect on how people treat the African American today. And yes, the majority will treat black people as everyone else but if you look with an open eye you will see a lot of black people today still being discriminated (all you need to do is walk around in my area at night or drive for that matter to see black peeps getting arrested why white blowing trash gets passed)

Please do not touch that subject because Zehn said he would ban people doing so ..

Please shut up.

We can "touch" the subject all we want. We just cannot say That you are a "stupid injin". We can still say you are "Stupid".



YOU ARE STUPID!

You use a broad brush to paint a small picture. And you are a Anon troll. please play a toon on this server and tell us the name.

If not just go away. The only thing I hate more then stupid people are anon stupid people.

'I agree with Hubbe. They sold their own people out. '

- *puts his head in his lap and cries*


Why the tears Halo, Slavery as a concept wasnt invented by Europeans, it was invented by Africans. Though they didnt sell their "own people" out, mostly other tribes, sorta like Sweden invading Denmark.

Yes, Europeans and Colonial Americans involvement created a business enviroment that was catastrophical to the continent and the native africans, but they werent the first to do so.

'If not just go away. The only thing I hate more then stupid people are anon stupid people. '

- Christ, you must not beable to look in a mirror.

'Yes, Europeans and Colonial Americans involvement created a business enviroment that was catastrophical to the continent and the native africans, but they werent the first to do so. '

- Oh no, they weren't, I agree.
But we built a culture out of it, for generations. It's certainly a case of two evils, but I hate it when people run to that "they sold their own people out!" as if it means everyone elses hands are clean.

But we built a culture out of it, for generations. It's certainly a case of two evils, but I hate it when people run to that "they sold their own people out!" as if it means everyone elses hands are clean.

Who is this "we" you speak of? You and who else built a culture out of slavery? That is a really fucked up thing to do. I would NEVER own slaves. I thought you were a good guy.

Now that I know you and your "We" friends used slaves to build your culture I am very sad.

They did sell their own people out and my hands ARE clean.. Not because of african tribe wars based on slave trading, but because i was born years later, in a nation that pretty much wasnt involved at all the the triangle trade.

Wrong my Herring quaffing friend

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_trade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_trade)

Sweden also owned a fort on Ghana coastline (Christiansborg) which was a central shipping point for slaves to be shipped off into the middle passage. Later, Sweden sold this fort to Denmark once they gave up the slave trade in 1813.

So.. dont go bragging about them clean hands.

"years later" meaning my hands are clean, just like yours..

"pretty much wasnt involved at all" Doesnt mean not involved at all.

If Sweden had been the major exporter of slaves, I still say my hands are clean, on the same basis.. I didnt do that shit. people several generations back did, which is the whole basis for my argument.

With all of this talking back that Hubbe's friends are doing, he might not give out a single custom title to a pal the rest of this year!

Master Damoiel Mindbend
Retired Enchanter of the 60th Season

I probably wont..

But.. Only 10 days left so its not like its a big deal =P

I know Hubbe...

I agree.. we aint had shit to do with that. People long since dead who we never knew.

I feel ZERO guilt about slavery. The only reason I posted was to show how really widespread it was. SO if someone WAS to start fingerpointing (/eyes "Random Euro Trash"; RETs henceforth) they would be best advised to Hush.

mm But RETs can suck my ass, Im SAFETUB- (Specific And Famous European Trash Uber Boss - Of Ayonae Ro)

Those RETs dont have a thing on me! =)

I dont see how this can be made to be anti-america tho.. this if anything could be blamed on Europeans since (afaik, my history kinda sucks) Slavery begun when you guys where still colonies.

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Well of course I'm not talking about YOU personally hubbe you prat.
I mean nations, histories, cultures. Just as the nation of Germany isn't clean of crimes against humanity in WW2, doesn't mean I'm bloody blaming some random German on the street for gassing Jews.
What I mean by "I hate it when people use that expression as if their hands are clean", is that they suggest their beloved countries are innocent.

'Who is this "we" you speak of? You and who else built a culture out of slavery? That is a really fucked up thing to do. I would NEVER own slaves. I thought you were a good guy.'

- Well deaath1, you've just killed off any hopes and expectations that there was a brain cell left in that dwindling heap of bone, and have gained the rank of "I'm just trolling because I can't get a date on the weekend." Good job.

If Sweden had been the major exporter of slaves, I still say my hands are clean, on the same basis.. I didnt do that shit. people several generations back did, which is the whole basis for my argument.

i could own my own 'hubbe' if Sweden had been a major slave exporting country!

Bloody thankful it didn't then.
Or I might have ended up with a.. a... FLYGANDE!

Slavery as a concept wasnt invented by Europeans, it was invented by Africans

Not true.
Slavery has been around for thousends of years.
The Romans had slaves so did the Greek, the Egytians, chinese etc.....
The concept is thousends of years old.
I don't think anyone knows who invented it or started with it, but it where certainly not the Africans you refer to.

Slavery is obviously a bad thing. BUT if it had never happend, African Americans would not be in the U.S. in the population they are today. One benefit of the whole slave period, was that African people were brought here, in mass, and eventually got their roots here much sooner than if they had never been forcibly "imported" so to speak.

Funny how you start by saying slavery is bad and then start explaining why you think Africans should be thankfull it happened to them.

Funny you remember to breathe when you are sleeping without help.

Like I said, they would not be here with the population/numbers that they are today if it hadn't happened. That's not saying slavery is a good thing, but it's just a by-product of it.

By the way. Nice attempt at trying to twist up what I said. You should realize that shit don't work anymore. Take your word games somewhere else, bitch.

One benefit of the whole slave period, was that African people were brought here, in mass, and eventually got their roots here much sooner than if they had never been forcibly "imported" so to speak.

What benefit is this you're speaking about?
To who is this a benefit?
Why is it a benefit that they "got their roots here much sooner than if they had never been forcibly "imported" " ?

Nice attempt at trying to twist up what I said.

Twisted up nothing, I quoted and made a comment on it.

you start by saying slavery is bad and then start explaining why you think Africans should be thankfull it happened to them.

Where the FUCK did I say they should be thankful? Please shut the fuck up. If you need to play word games and twist meaning around, go play with Ytrok.

The benefit is the fact that it ADDED to the cultural diversity we have here very, very rapidly. If they had not been imported as slaves, it is possible that it would have taken much longer for people to realize that slavery was wrong, and longer still for anyone to do something about it. Again I am not trying to justify slavery. (Though I am sure you will attempt to twist up my words with your usual bullshit)

Who's benefit? Try everyone.

Now shut the fuck up and crawl back in your whole you whiny bitch.

Who's benefit? Try everyone.

Sure it was clearly to the benefit of the Africans to be taken from theire homes and forced into slavery.

The benefit is the fact that it ADDED to the cultural diversity we have here very, very rapidly.

Why is this "cultural diversity" a good thing?
Since when is this "cultural diversity" apreciated, was this before or after Martin Luther King?

If they had not been imported as slaves, it is possible that it would have taken much longer for people to realize that slavery was wrong, and longer still for anyone to do something about it.

What is you're argument here : that because the Africans where brought to America as slaves, the Americans started realizing slavery was wrong much sooner then they would have done otherwise?
Are you trying to say that the civil war would have been fought at a later date if theire where less slaves or no slaves at all? Or are you saying that it would not have been fought at all?

Again I am not trying to justify slavery.

Who said you where?
I understand you do not agree with slavery, but well it did bring everyone some much needed "cultural diversity", which is widely regarded as a good thing, so it wasn't all bad.

Not true.
Slavery has been around for thousends of years.
The Romans had slaves so did the Greek, the Egytians, chinese etc.....
The concept is thousends of years old.
I don't think anyone knows who invented it or started with it, but it where certainly not the Africans you refer to.

the Egytians

How are they not africans? =/ Its a big continent.

Read what I said again please. Slavery as a concept originally came from the African continent.

I have no online source but this info is all according to my history teacher when I was in Oxford. He said that the earliest signs of slavery was in africa ca: 2000bc (afai can remember). Infact, in africa it was more a form of feudalism than a source of free labour.

Read what I said again please. Slavery as a concept originally came from the African continent.

Yes, but in the context of te discussion it sounded like you meant it was the Africans that where selling slaves who invented this. I pointed out that the concept of slavery is allot older.
Granted the Egyptians are in Africa but they where not the earliest in the list I named, the Chinese where.
However this does not mean that the Chinese invented it, I simply pointed out that noone really knows who invented it (well that was my intention).

To state that the Africans invented slavery in a discussion about slaves from Afrika is likely to cause people to think that the Afrikan slaves brought this upon themselves.
Which is not you're intention, but it is how it came across.
We simply don't know who invented it, it could have been the Africans, the Chinese or whoever.

Infact, in africa it was more a form of feudalism than a source of free labour.

Correct.
Another reason why this has nothing to do with the slavery this discussion is about.

Why wouldnt it?

Anything that gives more info on the topic is welcome..

Infact, Id appriciate it if you had some links about slavery in China because its a topic i dont know much about.

Not much is known about slavery in China.
I could only find a couple of relevant links.

history1 (http://pasture.ecn.purdue.edu/~agenhtml/agenmc/china/artantiq.html)

history2 (http://pasture.ecn.purdue.edu/~agenhtml/agenmc/china/artantiq.html)

No real info about the type of slavery, just that it excisted.

What is more interesting IMO is that the Chinese abolished slavery during the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644).

History_of_China (http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China)


Anything that gives more info on the topic is welcome..

I disagree.
Not all information is relevant to the discussion, irrelevant information or incomplete information, usually does more harm then good in a discussion.
This type of information usually changes the focus of the discussion and in allot of cases the topic of the discussion.
So you start of discussing the use of a mouse in EQ and end up discussing American politics 10 pages later.

BTW what was this thread about again?

Should newest generations of said ethnic pay for the damage done (in our case slavery) in far past to another said ethny.

Or something.

And to the record, you derailed the thread Balogh, questionning the origine of slavery (which doesn't really matter) and interpreting MM comment, which are both out of topic. :b

While we are at lets toss in some funds to the familys who lost loved ones fighting to abolish slavery. Keep in mind many many American citzens during that time did not own a slave and many more died fighting to rid its nasty practice.

you derailed the thread Balogh, questionning the origine of slavery

I disagree.
The discussion focussed on slave trades from africa and the nations involved in this.
The comment that africans invented slavery is a very relevant one in that perspective.
It suggest that slavery was a local african custom that had been around for a long time.
Which throws a different light on the whole discussion about compensation.

What happened was that the Africans that helped the slave traders where often cohersed to do so by the traders (can only speak of the Dutch here).
Usually there relatives and wifes where captured and being held as prissoners to force the tribes to capture more slaves.
These slaves would then be traded back for the family members.
There would have been a few Africans that helped volluntairely for some pay, but they where the minority.
It was an extremely ugly business, that had nothing to do with the feadelistic system that was in place.
This was pure business, no other motive then profit.

What's really scary is L2 and Balogh post exactly the same way. Is one the evil twin of the other?

Reparations would set back race relations in the US by decades if not a century ;(

It's an awful ill thought out political ploy that by god I hope doesn't come to pass.

There are all sorts of tools a person could use to raise themself out of any situation. Working hard in school/athletics or hell joining the Military and learning a good trade...

As an afterthought. My family on my Mothers side was heavily involved in the Underground Railroad, helping slaves escape. We lost land and loved ones lives, does that mean we get a chunk from said reparations?

Ahhhh as for where slavery originated. I think as a concept it crawled out of an Apple tree and bit one of the earliest humans on the ass.

Since human life as we know has been all but proven to originate from the African Continent I'd wager that's where slavery first developed.

Man has always been all too quick to perpetrate evils upon his fellow humans, why would slavery be saved for later days hmm?

Fandros...

This is a touchy subject for a lot of people, and some won't even touch, even though they keeping up with it.

I agree that by separating out people by race, and giving them special treatment, you are causing more of a problem than helping.

Take for instance Black History Month, or BET.

Why do I constantly have to be reminded that these people are black? Do I give a good flying fuck that they were black?

No, I don't

Isn't it time to move on and just join the people of "Black History Month" over to just regular history with all the "White History"?

I think:
Todays younger generation(me) are long beyond seeing black and white. Take for example, My wife's parents are the biggest sets of Bigot's I know. They refer to people as Niggers, Wops, Wetbacks and the like, but my wife inherited none of that.

I don't think it makes them "Bad People" for say, but uneducated for a better lack of word.

In closing, I say label us as one people, and you better serve us all.

Again, Black History Month is another way to offset the huge disparity between what the dominant US culture is aware of from history class and all of the elements of history left out of the books. You only have to flip through any history book to see how much of it is Euro-centric and focuses on the actions of white people. I remember my history book even had a whole chapter on Christianity and how it's spread influenced the world. Not that it didn't, but what about the spread of Islam, for exmple? Or any other major religion. Most of it focused on the reign of English kings from the perspective of the English. Very little was covered about Asia, Africa, South America....yech.

In other words, in many senses, every month is White History Month.

Only in the last few years have textbook manufacturers FINALLY started to address more than the white man's point of view. Maybe Black History Month has had an influence on this, it's hard to tell. But considering that most American's grew up without much of an understanding of any culture other than white America, it certainly doesn't hurt.

Now, if we could just cover Native American history in this country.


-Kanyli

Gods, don't you realize that by applying more labels and making more distinction between the races you yourself are creating more racial distinctions and therefore more racial tensions?

Until the folks who think they are helping by doing completely braindead shit like this stop trying to "Help" we'll never move on.

Fucking knock it off and live in the real world. Apparently you didn't grow up with race riots brought about by racial bigots all claiming to be working to bring down the "Man".

Fandros...

A few thoughts...

I don't believe any sort of reparations are possible or appropriate 130 years after they might have done some good. At this point even identifying the descendants of American slaves and slave owners is messy. Let's move on to other projects that will help everyone in our country.

Black History Month: I have no problem with it at all as long as I am not expected to treat it any differently than other celebrations of ethnicity. I don't get upset by St. Patricks Day or Cinco de Mayo or Mardis Gras or whatever. I view BHM in much the same way, as a celebration by a segment of my fellow Americans for their origins. As long as they view themselves as Americans first, I am content to participate if asked even though I am not Irish, Mexican, French or African in origin.

As far as our text books being Eurocentric, of course they are. The US was founded by expatriate Europeans for the most part. Our language and culture all spring from that viewpoint. It would be completely illogical to have any other "centrism" given our origins as a nation. Other views are prevailent in other parts of the world for the same reason.

'As far as our text books being Eurocentric, of course they are. The US was founded by expatriate Europeans for the most part.'

- I don't think she's questioning the reasons for why it is. Because as you said, it's obvious.
What I think she was saying is that it's stupid.
Which, I hope you'd agree, it is. Just like how every textbook around regards the subject in question or such as "he".

That's all fine but is the solution to create a special month to focus on a specific ethnicity and, in my opinion, reinforce the divisions of our society, or to fix the problem the right way and incorporate a more diverse view of history in school textbooks ( a solution that might require some form of governmental regulation to start ) ?

I think it only reinforces the divisions if you take a hostile view of it. Embrace it as part of American history and suddenly it does not seem so divisive. I can be as proud of an achieving African American as I can be of any other American of different background.

Halo, no matter how you try, an exact balance of viewpoints is not really possible. While it is definitely good to have exposure to other viewpoints, there will always be a focus based on culture. Frankly the view from , say, a Maori standpoint has absolutely no real relevance to most Americans. Why would it make sense to give them equal billing in our textbooks?

Now what should be expanded are views from those non-European cultures directly effected in our part of the world, i.e. indigenous inhabitants of North and Central America, Polynesia, possibly western Africa. But even then, they should not be the focus of our history since the decisions that were made that directly affect us today were mostly not made by them. If we are to understand how we got to where we are, the focus needs to be on understanding how and why the decisions were made by those in power, not on competing cultures who were the victims of those decisions.The voices of those victims should not be ignored or forgotten, but they should not take center stage as it were. At least, IMHO anyway.

Frankly the view from , say, a Maori standpoint has absolutely no real relevance to most Americans. Why would it make sense to give them equal billing in our textbooks?I'm not so sure I agree. How different would, say the war in Iraq have been if more Americans were better informed on the history of the region? Or the Balkans conflict? Vietnam? How many decisions are made simply from the standpoint of not understanding another culture (or in the case of Joe on the Street, not knowing it at all). Remember that much of American politics is driven by public outcry and demand - anything that shifts general knowledge in the public will affect the government.

I still don't think Black History Month emphasizes racial divisions. I do think events like the Million Man March do, however. Some of the current black leaders (Jackson, Farrakhan) do as much to add to racial problems as repair them, IM(not-so)HO. Whereas something like BHM focuses on achievements of African Americans, some of these other events keep building upon existing problems. Reparations would do the same.


-Kanyli

I don't think the war in Iraq would have much different at all. I at least am fully aware of the artificial nature of the boundaries and humiliations imposed by the west in that part of the world. But understanding why a Saddam was able to come to power and hold on to it in no way reduces the threat he poses unless of course your own society decides to espouse his methods and personal glory.

For example, studying the Ottoman Empire's history and view of things (or even Saladin's if you want to go back further) in no way makes it easier to tolerate a Saddam. He was still a butcher bent on increasing his power whether he cloaked himself in pan-arabism or not. We might have more sympathy for the average joe in Iraq (or Iran, or Afghanistan or wherever), but the perceived need to de-fang the leadership would still be there.

I do agree that some of the Jesse Jacksons of today emphasize the negative and the divisions.They generally try to make themselves out to be the champions of the downtrodden and carve out a niche for themselves in the political world. But remember, they are professional politicians and are doing what they think will help them attain political power. If you look past their bullshit, some things like BHM or MLK day that emphasize the positive are beneficial, not divisive.

Slavery... SUCKS ASS if you think that slavery is cool then you can go fuck a dead goat. What is so cool about making someone do anything you tell them to (disobedience punishable by death) just 'cause their skin color is different. If you think that I'm wrong or have something to say contact me at chronomaster027@yahoo.com
It was a mistake of the past, and we shouldn't have to repay black people for that, they did not suffer so why we pay them.

Slavery... SUCKS ASS if you think that slavery is cool then you can go fuck a dead goat. What is so cool about making someone do anything you tell them to (disobedience punishable by death) just 'cause their skin color is different. If you think that I'm wrong or have something to say contact me at chronomaster027@yahoo.com
It was a mistake of the past, and we shouldn't have to repay black people for that, they did not suffer so why we pay them.

Wow, what a transition... Honestly, do you actually read what you write?

If we were to hand a $5,000 check to every black person in America, would we all here in America give each other a big hug and realize how wrong we all were to hate each other? Would skinheads quit hating other races? Would black people quit hating "whitey?" What is the "right" amount of money per person to make all these racial tensions go away?

I think racial reparations would do more damage than good. The folks who got the money would always think they deserved more and the skinhead/racist groups would be on a recruiting spree after all the poor disenfranchised white people just see a huge government giveaway based on the color of someone's skin.

The dumbest thing about this is most white people in America never owned slaves.

And even then, none of my family even lived in the US until just after WWI. Why should my tax dollar go to pay a "debt" that I don't owe?

Nobody in my ancestory ever owned or sold a slave.. or profited from thier work...

Just doesn't make sense

i agree

i agree that namie needs to say hi more often(WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?!!!)

I -almost- think that folks should be "honored" (not a good word for it at all) that their ancestors were slaves.. Don't get me wrong, but the US is a hell of a lot better for living conditions than Africa. And in a lot of the parts of Africa, believe it or not, there is racism towards lighter skinned blacks.

I have some Irish in me, and how one of my ancestors got here is from a slave boat. Don't believe me? Conditions on the slave trader boats sucked. It wasn't uncommon for slave sellers to pick up "replacements" for their lost merchandise, and they kidnapped quite a few young men from the coastal villages in Europe.

and then there is the white farmers in africa who are treated like shit too.

If we're keeping an account.... I actually think they owe ME money.

African-Americans these days have got things alot easier thanks to their ancestors' slavery. I'm sure that 99.9% of them would rather live liberally in the USA than fighting poverty in the less-developed Africa.

Through speculative hindsight, if it was not for the rising division between the Confederates and Unionists, America may not be so liberal today.

Well, Hubbe...Mugabe is probably the worst leader in the history of that country =). He was elected on an anti-white farmer campaign and now that they murdered/kicked them out...the new farmers are getting maybe a 25% yield from the crops. Starvation is rampant. Go hate!