Two groups of guildys were in POS at ocean giants. We were working on BOT keys and had been pulling for about an hour to get to named. Meanwhile bunch of Final Destiny showed up.
We pulled named and sure enuf - though we did our best - we wiped with about 15% left.
Sure enuf the FD moves in finishes off named for the medallions.
Yeah I know - no rules against it. Always thought FD had a little more class than that. Another guild might of helped us finish him off.
Even had a couple FD peeps tell me later that I knew - apologizing - they were embarrassed at what occurred.

Like I said no rules against what they did - but still classless.

Anything to be uber I guess is the FD motto - even at the expense of others. Hope your proud!

Buvans
65 Warrior
Divine Legion

I don't see why it's "classless," you guys messed up and somebody else beat you to a mob. It's called ffa server, I'd say you're the one with no class; whining about somebody killing a free spawn.

You should join FD - with your attitude you would fit right in.

And coming from someone that can't even put a thread in the right category...

Just to reiterate what I’ve said in the pass, the actions of few don’t represent all.

kinda like when VVV gimpkilled innoruuk back on solro for those that remember, some noob guild wiped and VVV sat in zone counting down til all of other raid died then bumrushed inno at like 15% and killed him

was so classless that i and about 10 of my guildmates guildremoved there on the spot in hate and the largest guild on the server (VVV had over 200 members during the Kunark era when we broke up) disbanded the very next day. At least we had the honor to see what our guildmates did was wrong, and felt guilty about it.

if you cant see what is wrong with this then you just show the whole server what kind of lowlife scum you are. and no i wasnt in pos but this kind of behavior leaves a very bad taste in my mouth, like going down on a vietnamese whore with a yeast infection

You should join FD - with your attitude you would fit right in.

Actually he was close, then he pussed out and went to IvM because he missed his 2 friends he actually had from Vea Victis. FU Daddio and yo foster momma too. Hey, remember that group in Fungus Grove, when Dash flipped out. Or when we duo'ed upper dogs.

P.S. Shut the fuck up anon cocklunch.

If you or your guild wipe to a mob at 15%, you cant kill that mob, thus dont deserve the loot. As for the other side of the story, why the hell would someone from the other guild help you so that they get no loot, and you get loot for something you cant kill, and why wait until he regens to 100%? Besides, if they did help, this thread would be a whiny bitch complaining that FD was trying to KS them.

heh calling foul when rules state its fair play is gay


Thats really all i have to say, when was the last time you helped another guild killed something you were after with a guild raid of your own? Better yet when did you save them from wiping so they could get the loot?


This sounds more to me like we lost the loot we wanted cause we died, all because another didnt save us. And you call FD classless thats funny actually.

sweet irony....FD people would flame us for killing stuff because "your EP flagged you ahve no right in lower tiers or non-PoP"...

We pulled named and sure enuf - though we did our best - we wiped with about 15% left.


At that very moment when you wiped, any claim you had on the mob was gone, and it was free to anyone else who wanted to kill it. Welcome to everquest. Get over yourself.

Please to flame! Feel free to make anon accounts and drudge shit up, I won't do IP checks!

I'm not used to flaming....

Hmmmm, lemme see.....

mimosttr scarfs down big knobbly donkey dicks!

Does this constitute a flame Zehn? On a scale of 1 to 10 how was that? Teach me Master!

We should make a scale of 1 ~ 10 of who were the greatest flamers of Ayonae Ro. With 1 being like OIpunx because honestly who has ever flamed him? Gandien would be 10. When pretty much your one and only post incites the largest flame thread this board has ever seen....

Wow a 2 group raid force? I remember beating the named with a bard and druid trio. Sure hope you let that sucker regen back to full health before ya poped it off.

the thing that bothers me is not that FD killed the mob, you are correct when you say when first raid force wiped it was fair game. but if they didnt wait for it to regen to 100% it was a lame kill. like saying i cant kill this mob without having some noobs zerg it for me first. i dont know how many FD were there to kill it but either way its kinda cheesy

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sweet irony....FD people would flame us for killing stuff because "your EP flagged you ahve no right in lower tiers or non-PoP"...


We go there for upgrades Grey... PoS mini drops > Vex Thal

Entwood maces are overpowered!

Before you oh-so-leet dudes go ripping Divine Legion a new one for having a 'two group' (oh the zergage!) raid together to work PoS giants and fail taking a shot at the nameds, it behooves one to know that most of DL is well below level 65 (avg is mid-high 50s last time I looked, but I'm guessing that they had their higher end out there), and that they're not exactly Time geared.

Two full groups is what we use as well, with levels being 56-65 on your typical day.

And he's not saying that Final Destiny wasn't within their *rights* to swoop in and take the kill after they wiped, but since they were there and witnessed the struggle, a nicer group of folks might have helped them out.

Sincerely,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
Autonomous Collective

I didn't know which guild that person was in when posting, I'm just an asshole. You know that Nydia!

First off if your going to call FD classless you better look around there are many classless guilds on the server. I met a couple of them last night, trained 6 times by the same guild over and over just to have them say ,if I really wanted a train they would be happy to bring me one, point being there are many assholesplaying EQ get used to it. a nicer group of folks might have helped them out. I agree Nydia!

Sig under 50k thanks

Gandien gets bigger flames then amp?

Someone find amp, make him post again!

P.S. Shut the fuck up anon cocklunch.

How is it an anon post when his name/guild are in his sig?

He's lacking reading comprehension?

For starters, why the hell would anyone go to PoS? Simply medallions. That’s what you where there for and you know that’s what FD was there for. Did you bother to ask FD for help? Oh no, then you be flaming on how FD tried to KS you.

/tell FinalDestiny Hey we are not to sure if we can handle this, if we start to fail could you help us? We can offer you a medallion if your help is required.

You may get further when asking for help, rather then assume someone will help.

There isn't a win win for anyone here. You tried, You Failed, You Try another Day.

Grey you know theres a difference between when you got flamed for ganking Cursed looking solely for Bloodfrenzys and this situation. This was backflagging, not upgrading. Its not like our group is farming PoS minis looking for upgrades....

We have both been on both sides of this argument and the answer is always the same. If you can kill it, do it. If you can't, don't bitch about it when someone else does. I didn't like it then, I don't really like it now, but thats the way it has always been.

Sage Garrath Moore
Final Destiny
Arcanist

. . . big knobbly donkey dicks!

Is that the same as knuckle-cock?

as far as slamming them for using 2 grps, I seem to remember a certain raid only a month or 2 with over 25 people, many FD included, I know I saw Chenoa there, wiping repeatedly to that lame treekeeper in PoS. he doesnt take that many to kill either but 4 wipes was it? What exactly was the point in berating these guys for needing 2+ grps for it? it happens, either from bad class mix, low levels, or lack of tactics, its a game and takes a certain learning curve sometimes. get over yourselves.

Hmmm...I don't see anyone in FD saying anything about 2 groups in this thread.

450 X 150 INCLUDING text please

It was me and its not that big of deal. A druid with charm and some back up was able to take down named when I was seeking a bot key. 3 people..Bard,myself, and a druid..all barely lvl 65 with "shit grear" at the time...so ya cant play the uber card BS. The statement has nothing to do with FD or whoever the orginator of the post was ..just cold hard facts using the tools given to the classes to work with.

Many times people around you die and you don't even know they are in trouble unless you have them targeted. If they are fighting a mob and you are on another one how the heck do you expect them to know you need help unless you yell loudly. And even if you yell they more often than not can not abandon what they are doing to help. Are they to be watching over you like guardians? Then kill your mob and give you the kill..
Part of planar progression is based on being able to handle the kill you are on before moving to the next and more difficult one. Take some time and look at why you wiped rather than pointing fingers at those who did not. Then..get a strong group of your peers together, get back out there, and keep doing it until you are able to kill them.. When you can beat it then you are ready to progress.


Sorry Erala 450 X 150 and under 50K

Jordack has a condom on his sword.

I want to apologize to many in FD - most are good peeps.
Few bad apples in every bushel I guess.

hope everytime you see another guild struggling for a mob you want you go right over and help them regardless because thats obviously your point of view.


As for me i leave things open, im not about to go help RiP kill Fenin if they are failing (not that they would but you get the point) just because im a nice guy. And if im seen as an ass because i dont well /shrug feel free to call me what you want.

It's not totally clear from the initial post, but if you get mob down to 15%, run into trouble and FD or whoever steps in to help, isn't it just as likely they'd end up getting accused of KSing?

Maybe it's lowered expectations from too many shitty stories on this server, but I'd just be happy they left me alone to succeed or fail on my own. (Though I personally try to send tells offering help when I see others in trouble, I don't think there's any moral obligation to do so.)

happy they left me alone to succeed or fail on my own.


apparently thats also an assholish thought!


Welcome to the group of assholes!

considering how common medallions are (I got my bot key done in 2 days with pickup groups, losing many rolls), it's pretty lame to drop spawns someone else is trying to kill.

It's not like those are the only medallion droppers and the spawn isn't that long. Legal or not, polite people would have taken their medallion farming elsewhere.

omg this is over medallions in PoS wow...

whats great is the poster of this is given the benefit of the doubt that he wouldnt do the same to FD and even tho he can sit there and say oh i would have helped we dont really know if thats true or not. But on with more FD flames cause they take sloppy seconds!!!

and here we were discussing whether we should give you medallions. after reading this thread, I am glad we didn't.

We set up farther down the wall, and could not even see your group, your progress, or lack thereof. We did not know you were all dead til the mob went home.

Not once did you ask for help. None of us are psychic.

Greystone, backflagging our members, recruits and alts is very different than IVM's slumming of AoW to sell blades of carnage and Zlandicar for talismans to sell.

Arch Lich Thana

We were asked by the other guild when they arrived what our intentions were - which we addressed.

The other guild peeps stayed (sat down right behind us) and watched us for nearly an hour while we cleared to the named. It was evident they were waiting for us to have some bad luck and perhaps wipe so they could finish named off. Might have been appropriate for them to just tell us - "hey if you guys screw up we are taking our shot"

During our attempt to clear - a half hearted effort was made by others (not from our group - not 100% sure who this was) to pull the named even though we obviously were there first.

Afterwards I received (3) different tells from FD apologizing - one even said he/she was embarrassed by what they did.

The point is - if they wanted medallions that bad all they had to do was ask and could of joined - open rolls etc. We are there to have fun - most of us would of gotten a kick out of participating on something - no matter how minor - with one of the elite guilds on the server.

We had the camp - when they saw us there they should of done what most other guilds would of done - left and come back some other time.

I will rephrase my earlier post - I am disappointed by what occurred. I know many peeps in FD who are truly good people and I have a lot of respect for (Garath is one). I understand that no rules were broken - I am not disputing that.

We are a small guild with a mixture of 50's and 60's - for the most part it takes a lot of effort for us to get everyone together to do something like this. The large raiding guilds like FD do stuff like this in therir sleep with little effort. For us to not succeed is something we laugh off, learn from and try again a second time. Not getting the second chance due to something like this was again - disappointing.

I apologize to FD for the "no class" remark. It was inappropriate.

Buvans
Divine Legion

I'm just curious if any other minis were up or if it was just convenient to grab those first because FD was there.

If others were up, why not just leave them in peace until you killed the others.

If those were the only minis up, I'd have just found something else to do in another zone. PoS minis are almost always up. The other group spent their night clearing the minis just to have another guild walk in and do the quick part...I can imagine that's pretty frustrating. FD spent no effort other than showing up in a zone...it's not like you wasted more than the 5 minutes it took to get to the camp from wherever you were in the game.

just one of those things thats makes you wanna go "hummmmm".

most of us would of gotten a kick out of participating on something - no matter how minor - with one of the elite guilds on the server.

/giggle

There are 4 ways you can look at this,

1 is this guy is bitching because FD took a kill they wanted to and he's a dumbass because it's a fair kill. If they wait for 100% regen they'd be morons, because at this point they are there for medallions not to try and beat a mini.

2 this guy is whining dumbass because it took em 3 groups while you can trio it so he's a tard.

3 both the above are tards because relatively speaking kinuvan can solo the named so it's like fighting over orc 1 in ec for him =] woot pot shot because kinuvan is a cheater at pvp.

4 this guy is a dumbass because he is in a fantasy world where he thought being in a powerful guild and having that power implies some kind of responsibility and dignity. That the reason the people in FD are there is because they are some cool ass people who have plenty of loots and won't run over a smaller guild in a heart beat.

In my mind that's one of the reasons why I am in sot and not in the other top notch guilds. The reason is we all play this game for fun, power, friends exploration whatever it is, I don't know how the other guilds do it but most of the time if we go somewhere for a kill and see somone else there we will just leave, there are a lot of targets out there and we'd rather push back our own schedule at our own expense than ruin some other peoples' day.

For example we went to kill RZ which we need to do BADLY only 2 bows on active players in sot.. we zoned in and fd was one their 2nd or 3rd attempt of the night, we waited a bit, they wiped, Celeus told guild they want to go again so we moved over to HOH to take out MM, we could easily outrace em but we didn't.

I dunno what I'm implying but I guess my point is just because it's a part of eq rules does not make something ok and I think that's what we all loose touch of and maybe we should try to watch out for the little folks.

last example is I went on a random ew vindi kill and my friend said look at there is the best bard on the server easy.. I was awe struck and was like woah that guy is cool he's kiting like 10 giants.. from there on out I always spoke good of him even though I hardly knew him.. IMO something like that is waaay cooler than if I had seen this bard then seen him trample my small guild just so he could get his loot for his alt.

From what I read so far FD had 2 options, kill the mob and take the loot like it's their right or kill the mob hand over the medallions and and earn the satisfaction of hearing all those chears and compliments that those fools won't forget.

lol I type soo much when I'm tired =]

Most of the stuff in this game doesn't last with you or when you quit will be gone but some of the stuff won't be and this kind of thing is the ladder.

In my mind that's one of the reasons why I am in sot and not in the other top notch guilds. The reason is we all play this game for fun, power, friends exploration whatever it is, I don't know how the other guilds do it but most of the time if we go somewhere for a kill and see somone else there we will just leave, there are a lot of targets out there and we'd rather push back our own schedule at our own expense than ruin some other peoples' day.

I wanna have your baby, Siludorf :)

Or maybe join SoT!

I wanna have your baby, Siludorf

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