Haven't seen a playing aid post in quite a while, but, I leave for a few months, come back, and still see the same errors over and over and over again...

So here's a couple things i'd like to point out.

Parking. When more than one mob is coming to the party, it helps if not all of them are beating on your party members. All classes with root should know the basics of parking....i.e. moving a mob away from the rest of the party, and rooting it. Paladins in particular! Gaining aggro of all the side mobs via planting an early heal on the puller, and then parking the adds in a safe place IS THE REASON YOU GET ADDED TO GROUPS. Ok, that and stunning gating mobs. They don't need a self healing low damage warrior.

For everyone else, sometimes it's just easier to root one of the mobs in the middle of the gaggle. When such a mob is rooted, and the rooter mentions this fact in group chat, all the melee types ought to move away from the rooted mob, dragging the unrooted mob away from it. No, really. It makes sense, I swear!

Pull rate. Unless the casters are screaming, the proper pull rate invoves having one mob getting a beating, and a second mob getting prepped for beating via mez/root/slow/debuff. If your party is waiting for mobs to come between kills, you are pulling too slowly. A cleric who heals a puller to 100% health is indicating he is ready for pulls. (this is a message for both pullers AND clerics! saves typing!). Note, when shit just hit the fan last pull, it's probably not a good idea to try that dangerous pull next, better to do the easy kill first.

Necros....don't heal em unless they scream. In most cases, they don't need clarity either. They will bitch at you if you give them clarity or healing when they don't want it.

Bards...invis really pisses the pet casters off....

Pet casters....fluffy should be involved in every fight, not every other fight. /assist the rogue

Regarding rogues....it helps if those who gain aggro for moments make a little triangle between themselves and the rogue, so the rogue stays at the backside, no matter who has aggro. Pushing mobs into corners pisses the rogue off...;)

Basics of aggro...it pays to let the warrior build up some aggro before debuffing the hell out of the mob, unless that debuff is root....

The top bubble....a lot of classes have methods of minor healing/regen. It's never worth it for a cleric to "top off" any player's last bubble...hell, at the very least, get the benifit of their sitting regen. On the other hand, heal non tanks at 60% life, don't wait for 40%.

Snare...when snared mobs run, they don't move..... snare/darkness is good. Have at least one group member with the skill.

I'm sure there are other tips for basic single group tactics, but this is something you can point your friends who are just starting eq at to let them know how to play a bit better.

You know, I'm kinda offended the only thing you could come up with for bards is to not use Selo's Song of Travel if you have a pet caster in the group ...

place IS THE REASON YOU GET ADDED TO GROUPS. Ok, that and stunning gating mobs. They don't need a self healing low damage warrior.

Just making a correction, but.
Pallies get added to groups for tanking since their agro is way better than a warriors, also they can rez, buff HP, stun, and backup heal. I've never seen a group pick a pally because they needed a CC class.

Bitch please, get a clue about high end pallies before typing stupid shit.

Yeah. Warriors soooo suck in exp groups atm. :x

Paladins suck.. that will be all.

till next time !

You Sir, have no clue what a Paladin is here for. I never CCed mobs since like 15 levels. And guess what? I could do so, but others do the job faster and more efficant then us.
Rangers, Druids, Shamans... you mostly have one of those in the group. If you don't, if you also have no chanter but a warrior to tank.. then we MAY talk about me CCing.
/slap

Actually also Necroes and Bards CC way better then we do. So that means, if we have no Druid, Shaman, Chanter, Ranger, Necro or Bard in the group and if I am not tanking (means we have a warrior) then I may think about CCing. I personally wouldn't want to be in that group at all thou, when noone can slow nor mezz or debuff.

Uhhhh... the post is not directed at the 65 with 100AA crowd guys. Get a clue. And at the lower levels he is referring to, its quite right to say that a Paladin's job is 'ghetto-mezzing'.

Dfrac

i dunno
ive had a paladin tank for me at some point every level for the last 55-odd levels

Thank you Maniacles!

But this is lesson 2 imo ;)

Lesson 1 will be more about communication:
.) notify your group when you go afk (and say when you are back on-line).
.) if low mana say it before a mob is going to be pulled (and not after!).
.) say when you have to leave (like 10mn before if you can).
.) say when you have rooted/mezzed/charmed a mob.
.) etc ...

Add to lesson 2:
.) don't cry if you debuff (tash/slow/malo/etc ...) an incomming mob and die (i.e. let MT gain aggro).
.) act after puller "inc mob" message, specially if he/she is an FD puller.
.) indoor zone = no horse but sometimes it's bad to be sit when a mob is pulled.

my 2cp,

Given a group with a paladin and a warrior, I'd much rather have the paladin tanking these days. Their agro is superb and clerics/druids can keep up w/ pretty much any xp-mob dps.

What does this mean? That warrior agro is fucked. Fix it please SoE.

Nothing pisses me off more than pulling a mob, getting halfway to camp, seeing an oom, then failing FD.

You know, I'm kinda offended the only thing you could come up with for bards is to not use Selo's Song of Travel if you have a pet caster in the group ...

Rangers weren't even mentioned at all. :( No ranj0r lubbin :(

Jensae,

That is because every Ranger over level 20 knows his/her job to perfection. Get aggro, die, get a rez, repeat. /duh

Rangers lvl past 20? wtf. You'd think by 3 they realize they're just druids that can duel wield. 8/

Paladins in particular?
Man, I'd get really pissy if the paladin in my group started parking shit because that means he's not tanking, and tanking is the only reason to get a paladin in the first place.

//Kiv

You people are making my toon roll over in his virtual grave :( I was perpetually undergeared for any given situation (except maybe a year and a half ago when I did NToV with Vea Victis) and died constantly when tank-mezzing mobs or even tanking for exp in the nastier zones. I healed raid groups. I made /targ keys for the chanters and shamans to heal their sorry agro-drawing asses. I checked the main tank with a vanilla /assist key regularly - a potential timely LOH could and often did outweigh the benefits of my intact melee output. I've played healer for groups deep in exp zones such as Chardok and Sebilis back when a group would usually refuse to move down without a cleric and enchanter. In short, the class has some of the best situational spells and abilities out there - which improved dramatically with PoP (something I hardly got to experience). If you're a high end paladin and neglect your healing powers, do the world a favor and start up a warrior.

If you're a high end paladin and neglect your healing powers, do the world a favor and start up a warrior.

/nod

no! make a cleric!

note...yes, this was, in fact, directed at the sub 50 crowd.

Post 60 play is a whole different animal.

Gah.....

Sub 60 crowd...bleargh....

Pallys suck

Pallys kick ass. During raids with adds they make excellant CC'ers and tank mezzers for adds that are unmezzable. Just ask Kinens he kicks ass.

During exp groups they are amazing as well. If you don't realize that you need to get a clue. Would I ever have the patience or want to raise a pally to a fun raiding lvl..no!


Ibudin

Don't you mean, "Pallys vkick ass?"

A cleric who heals a puller to 100% health is indicating he is ready for pulls. (this is a message for both pullers AND clerics! saves typing!)

If you are in a situation where the puller's HPs are not that large compared to mob damage, you heal up everyone. So, this signal doesn't work as well everywhere.

In most cases, they don't need clarity either. They will bitch at you if you give them clarity or healing when they don't want it.

KEI/Clarity does no harm to a necro, unless they have GoB up. All necros here, when was the last time you had GoB up? *crickets*

Basics of aggro...it pays to let the warrior build up some aggro before debuffing the hell out of the mob, unless that debuff is root....

Wierdly, if you can take the DPS, debuff the hell out of it asap. A successful /taunt will beat out any amount of aggro built up on the debuffer, while /taunts before debuffing do basically nothing (unless there is a pet on the mob).

But steal aggro if you can take the DPS. And remember, that slow may be resisted. And, quick heals eat mana!

The top bubble....a lot of classes have methods of minor healing/regen. It's never worth it for a cleric to "top off" any player's last bubble...hell, at the very least, get the benifit of their sitting regen. On the other hand, heal non tanks at 60% life, don't wait for 40%.

It is sometimes worth it. =p~

As for the 60% threshold -- if an enchanter is at 90%, that means they have already taken 1500-3000 hps of damage off their runes, and it might not stop anytime soon. heh.

Bards: While your haste songs and haste buffs might look like they stack, the haste component doesn't. There are a handful of exceptions. So, don't ask for haste song unless you want the other components if you are hasted.

Bards: If you have a bard in the group, a mob is gating or casting a spell, and you get "has been awoken", it just means the bard is using mez to interrupt the mob.

I've never seen a group pick a pally because they needed a CC class.

Have done it. =)

Paladins provide almost as much fast healing as a cleric, amazing stuns and roots. A Paladin makes one of the best backup CC classes in the game, rivalled only be shamans.

And mention sub-60 if you are doing sub-60 advice. =p~

Isn't Zilor due for a list soon?

Not all warriors are underpowered =(

don't you know daddio, we're all gimps in the minds eye of everyone other than a warrior. guess we just have to prove to everyone we don't suck eh?

brel, leni called, she wants her testicles back

Whenever I can't get a group, I just turn on the other computers and box my own. Why can't everyone just be like me?!

leni can can sit on it and rotate for all I care =)

"We" Brel ?

yes "we" warriors in general need to step up, put the beat down on hybrids, and then take thier places in exp groups! Granted beating them down usually involves training most of the zone on them, and that tends to make you unpopular with the rest of the group, but by god someone has to do it!