As some of the community knows I work for a school district in Texas. I do Technology grant research, network security, and other assigned task (I wish I could get that line out of my contract) Anyways our district is a Charter school district (we are a public school alternative from the traditional public school) and comprised of 3 high schools and 1 virtual high school.

On 9/11 I was asked to speak to some of the kids about the loss I had on that day of some very close friends who died that day. I accepted and for the most part the kids listened and then we talked about what it meant to them.

The Principal after I am done stands up and request we say the Pledge of Allegiance and all are complying. Now half way through the pledge a child i have no other way to describe him stood up and shouted FUCK AMERICAN and then started condemning our nation, the laws of our nation, and just being rude and vulgar. When asked to be quiet he kept up the profanity and was getting to be for a lack of a term a belligerent shit head.

The kid got a ticket from one of the sheriff deputies we hire to do security at our school for disruption and profanity that offended a teacher as in all the cussing he did. The district suspended him for 3 days due to his disruptive behavior and for cussing out the staff members. At no time was the actions taken against him because he said fuck America but cause he yelled fuck and a few other profanities.

Now his parents are trying to say that we were oppressing the child and are being idiots. People at work are afraid they will say we were trying to force our beliefs on the child. It is now a State Law in Texas that all school children must say the Pledge and the Texas Pledge every morning and that if a student does not wish they do not have to. Do you think we at the school acted correctly or not on this and what would you have done.

Now on a personal note in the teachers lounge that day boy I felt sorry for that kid hehe his ears must have been burning from what they were saying. The best idea of the day was to tattoo with the American flag and put Yes I am an American and I love America in tattoos on him and drop him some Arab country that hates Americans and see if he still thinks Fuck America. My idea was that he needs to sit down with every family that lost someone on 9 11 and to sit down with every person wounded so far in the war on terror and then to sit down with the families of those that gave their lives so he can stand up and say Fuck America and see if he feels the same. If he does then I said deport his ass with the tattoos and see how long he last.


/salute all who have passed to make the world a safer place and to those in not so safe area's defending my freedom to babble on this board thank you

His right or not, the kid was being an insensitive jackass. There's a time and place for everything, and that wasn't it.

ytrok prolly sent one of his kids to cause a disruption.

That kid should get the Taino (R) award for making trouble.

Just because it was political does not give him the right to totally disrupt things. Had it been an assembly on teenage violence and a kid did that, or a magazine sales assembly, the punishment would have also been the same.

Well done, in my opinion.

His right or not, the kid was being an insensitive jackass. There's a time and place for everything, and that wasn't it.
I completely agree with you.
Oh and fuck you, Marz.

That kid should get the Taino (R) award for making trouble.

I completely agree with you.
Oh and fuck you, Tainto.

It is now a State Law in Texas that all school children must say the Pledge and the Texas Pledge every morning and that if a student does not wish they do not have to.

I don’t get this sentence seems to be a contradiction.
There is a law that say's you must say the pledge, yet if you don’t want to you don't have to???
Doesn't make sense, I think you mistyped something.

The kid got a ticket from one of the sheriff deputies we hire to do security at our school for disruption and profanity that offended a teacher as in all the cussing he did. The district suspended him for 3 days due to his disruptive behaviour and for cussing out the staff members.

That's only normal IMO.

Now on a personal note in the teachers lounge that day boy I felt sorry for that kid hehe his ears must have been burning from what they were saying. The best idea of the day was to tattoo with the American flag and put Yes I am an American and I love America in tattoos on him and drop him some Arab country that hates Americans and see if he still thinks Fuck America. My idea was that he needs to sit down with every family that lost someone on 9 11 and to sit down with every person wounded so far in the war on terror and then to sit down with the families of those that gave their lives so he can stand up and say Fuck America and see if he feels the same. If he does then I said deport his ass with the tattoos and see how long he last.

This however is a huge problem IMO.
The kid disagrees with the normal standard and expresses these feelings and is conficted to death.
Really I would expect better from teachers.
There is still a thing called freedom of speech.
He is allowed to have a different opinion and express it.
The way he did it is disrespectfull and indeed deserved the ticket he got. But, what I read in you're statement is that, the reaction of the teachers was not aimed against the way he made the statement, but at the statement he made.
And that is fundamently wrong. He has a right to say what he thinks and feels even if you don't agree with what he say's.
The way he did it was wrong offcourse and he deserves the ticket he got.
We have a simular discussion in two different threads here.

One thing keeps bothering me though and thats that the americans seem to think that 9-11 was only directed at them.
I completely disagree with that, in my opinion 9-11 was an act of agression against all western nation including my own country, The Netherlands.
This was also seen this way by NATO thus invocing paragraph 5 of the treaty, stating that an attack against one of the nations is an attack against ALL the nations in NATO.
But judging by most of the reactions on this board most US people seem to think that they alone are under attack and the rest of the world is their enemy (including other NATO country's). I just don't think this is correct.

Dude, shut the fuck up. He had a right to say what he said, and he wasn't punished for what he said. He was punished for the way he said it. If he had stood up and been like "Fuck France!11!onewon!1" then he would have gotten the same treatment. People have a right to their opinions also, and my opinion is the kid is a fuckhead who should be shot. So what? He expressed his opinion, I express mine.

I love the people who try to support this shit.

Remember to invite me to your weddings.

So when you both say "I do" I can yell "CUM GUZZLING WHORE!" as loud as I can and proceed to urinate on the wedding cake.

Then I will have the defense lawyers at the LOTJ law firm get me off the hook for using my freedom of speech.

People have a right to their opinions also, and my opinion is the kid is a fuckhead who should be shot. So what?

Wtf..you sick fuck

news9sanantonio.com/conte...9&SecID=99 (http://news9sanantonio.com/content/education/?ArID=4189&SecID=99)

this is a news story about the schools and the pledge thing as far as the law goes.

As far as the teachers go saying what they say you have to understand I live in Military City USA and there is alot of pride in our Nation in this city. Most the employee's here are retired military, spent some time in the military, have a military spouse, or like me a military brat. I feel that the kid was just craving attention and wanted to look cool. More information of all things his dad is an officer in the US armed forces and his mom is a lawyer here in town.

This happened in Texas? :p That's the last place I'd expect it to be handled well. Good job with it I guess, should have been harsher though... In any memorial disrespect like that is just untolerable.

Yeah,i agree.But even saying that you should kill someone,let alone a child.For expressing the right to object is seriously fucked up.Now,i totally agree that saying those things in a memorial assembly is bang out of order,more than out of order.But Bildazar went way way to far.
I`d like to think that they didn`t really mean it,and were just saying it out of anger.

/peace out

For expressing the right to object is seriously fucked up

He wasn't doing any such thing. He was being an inappropriate, insensitive piece of shit excuse for a human being, and I certainly don't think age (high school kids know perfectly well what they're saying) has any effect on how I feel about such a scumbag.

Dude, shut the fuck up. He had a right to say what he said, and he wasn't punished for what he said. He was punished for the way he said it. If he had stood up and been like "Fuck France!11!onewon!1" then he would have gotten the same treatment. People have a right to their opinions also, and my opinion is the kid is a fuckhead who should be shot. So what? He expressed his opinion, I express mine.

So I'm getting flamed now for agreeing with the punishment?
My protest was against the fact that the teachers apparently denied him the freedom of speech in the teachers Lounge.
I'm very happy you obviously agree with me on that point.
It might be a good idea to read and try to understand the post you're flaming before you try to flame someone.

I love the people who try to support this shit.

Not sure who you mean because noone that replied supported "this shit" .
As a matter of fact everyone that replied said that they agreed with the punishment he got.
It might be a good idea to read and try to understand the post you're flaming before you try to flame someone.

My protest was against the fact that the teachers apparently denied him the freedom of speech in the teachers Lounge

The last thing I see him being denied is freedom of speech, andwhere in the post.

ytrok prolly sent one of his kids to cause a disruption.
Insulting my 4 and 6 year olds is the best you can do?
This is about integrity and respect for any given situation, not about a political issue.
Leave my kids out of it please or adress it directly to them when they can understand and read/write english.

If this is your way of making a joke, go make it over your own children and not mine.

Thanks for your understanding.

Its sad really that people dont understand what freedom of speech is...

Freedom of speech ISNT "I can say anything I want and you have to listen to me and give me a podium to say it on"

Freedom of speech is you CAN say whatever you want, (except the example of "Fire" in a crowded theater) and the government cant arrest you WHAT you said..

You CAN be arrested for Breach of Peach, Inciting to Riot, Disorderly Conduct, Trespassing... other things depending on HOW you say it..

Oh ya.. Freedom of speech (for you hollywood Dixie Chick type people) doesnt protect you from people thinking your an asshat and not buying what your selling... Freedom of speech does NOT protect you from people TELLING you what an asshole you are.. And finally.. freedom of speech does NOT guarentee you a right to say what you want, Congress can not admit you to the floor, a Judge can tell you to STFU in his court room, A property owner/ manager can remove you from his property, A person can drown you out by speaking louder, ect ect..

This incident has to have been made up. As we've all learned on these boards, there's no way a child strong-armed for years to say the pledge of allegiance for years could EVER do this.

Insulting my 4 and 6 year olds is the best you can do?

Do this.

Wait 'till Ralph is typing up another bullshit anti-American post, or making subtle refrences in others, then grab his sack as hard as you can, squeeze until he turns blue, and yell "STOP. NO! NO!" as loud as you can.

After a few times, you wont have to worry about insults anymore.

Freedom of speech ISNT "I can say anything I want and you have to listen to me and give me a podium to say it on"

Freedom of speech is being able to say
whatever you want,without anyone or anything being able to censor you.
The ' Freedom of speech ' act doesn`t grant freedom of speech at all.What it does is give people the illusion that they have more freedom than they actually do.If it was truly freedom of speech,you could say anything you wanted without being censored or prosecuted in anyway. :b

Free speech basically means that you can say whatever you want, however you cannot use excessive profanity and cannot slander somebody. It is a law in California that you can be arrested and fined for using profanity towards a government offical (aka a public school teacher or administrator)

Hey Marz did you know your sig exceeds the limits as stated in the rules??
Just wanna help ya out here bud.

marz own you ytrok, eat your "wifes" dick

marz own you ytrok, eat your "wifes" dick
/giggle

Breach of Peach

That is only unlawful if the peach in queston is under 18 years old.

The last thing I see him being denied is freedom of speech, andwhere in the post.

Freedom of speech is you CAN say whatever you want, (except the example of "Fire" in a crowded theater) and the government cant arrest you WHAT you said..

Really you don't think that people virtually convicting you to death is in any way a limitation on someone's freedom of speech?
He said "fuck America" and the reaction was to convict him to death, you really think that's a proportional reaction?

Freedom of speech is allot more then being able to say anything you want whenever you want.
To really be able to have freedom of speech you have to respect someone else’s opinion and allow him to have that.
This was clearly not the case, he was convicted to death because he had a different opinion, not because he spoke at an inappropriate moment or because he disrupted class.
He was convicted to a virtual death because he said "fuck America".
You don't think that's limiting freedom of speech??

The right to say whatever you want whenever you want is meaningless, if it means that by doing so you will be convicted to a virtual death.

My point is that you can never have true freedom of speech if other people don't respect you're opinion even if it is a highly controversial one or one not generally accepted.

Insulting my 4 and 6 year olds is the best you can do?
This is about integrity and respect for any given situation, not about a political issue.
Leave my kids out of it please or address it directly to them when they can understand and read/write English.


Mily you're directing you're comment to someone who thinks that convicting a young child (under 12 I guess) to a virtual death for saying "fuck America" is perfectly ok and acceptable.
He also thinks that freedom of speech entitles him to threaten others and bully them into not using there freedom of speech as this following quote clearly indicates

Do this.

Wait 'till Ralph is typing up another bullshit anti-American post, or making subtle references in others, then grab his sack as hard as you can, squeeze until he turns blue, and yell "STOP. NO! NO!" as loud as you can.

After a few times, you wont have to worry about insults anymore.

I don't think logic or appealing to his common sense and decency (My opinion is that he does not have these) can persuade him not to insult.
This is a clear example of why I don't think he grasps the concept of freedom of speech.

He will most likely immediately respond to this post by flaming me and threatening to kill me in RL.
This is off course not done because he denies me my freedom of speech, but because he does not like what I said and he feels that he then has the freedom of speech to threaten to kill me.
He probably thinks that by threatening me he can convince me to change my mind, a gun to someone’s head is always a very convincing argument.

So let it be he does not know any better.

Freedom of speech is allot more then being able to say anything you want whenever you want.To really be able to have freedom of speech you have to respect someone else’s opinion and allow him to have that.



You have to get over this part because its been explained over and over..Freedom of Speech is not what you think it is. Do you live here in the US? If you did you would realize that this isn't the case when refering to "Freedom of Speech"...its not "Freedom of Speech and you are immune from any wrong doing against you because you want to spew shit out of your mouth"

This is purely my opionion: Until you can live on your own, and feed your own mouth, pay your taxes, and be a productive citizen in society you should have muzzle on your mouth because your opionion doesn't mean shit when it comes right down to it. So ya a 12 year old ..doesn't have a clue.



Ibudin

You have to get over this part because its been explained over and over..Freedom of Speech is not what you think it is. Do you live here in the US? If you did you would realize that this isn't the case when refering to "Freedom of Speech"...its not "Freedom of Speech and you are immune from any wrong doing against you because you want to spew shit out of your mouth"

Oh I got it allright, freedom of speech is when someone has a different opinion you are allowed to virtually kill them.
This is real freedom of speech, you are in no way forced to keep you're mouth shut.
Really you can speak you're mind freelly, however if you do so and say something someone else does not like, he is entitled to virtually kill you.
As you said freedom of speech does not make you immune to any wrong doing.
Bullets and threats are by far the best arguments.

Ok you got it!


Ibudin

So ya a 12 year old ..doesn't have a clue.

I so much agree with that, which makes the reaction of the teachers so much worse in my opinion.

"Do you think we at the school acted correctly or not on this and what would you have done."

Yes. Has nothing to do with the pledge or 9/11, he was using profanity and disrupting a school function.

"The best idea of the day was to tattoo with the American flag and put Yes I am an American and I love America in tattoos on him and drop him some Arab country that hates Americans and see if he still thinks Fuck America"

Include his parents on this one and we may have a winner :')

He wasn't convicted to a damn thing because of his opinion on America, nor because he stated it. People are very much allowed to get upset over what others say, and indeed think that they should be done physical harm for it. So what? Those people aren't in power, and have no legal ability to take action on their thoughts. If people's opinions=convictions, then I assure you that pretty much everyone would be convicted to death at one point or another, because half the people I know just going around thinking "Man, I wish that guy would just keel over dead". There are no restrictions on this kid's freedom of speech going on, and it s in fact you who doesn't have things straight.

You are contradicting yourself if you say ...

Kids can make up their own minds about things (about the brainwash), yet you hold their parents responsible for their acts.

So what is it ....

We all decide for ourselfes or someone else is responsible for our acts?

I think you have children, so you probably understand what he meant.

Ytrok, I added the extra pixel just for you.

And, I don't need help from someone who failed "MS Paint 4 dummiez".

Ytrok,

Read all of Cerri's post:

Now his parents are trying to say that we were oppressing the child and are being idiots.

That is why I included them in on my little joke. Plus they are responsible for his unlawful actions to some degree because he is a minor and they are his legal guardians.

moved to other topic

This bullshit story has nothing to do with attitudes about 9/11. This is about a kid who disrupted his schools assembly nothing more. Wrapping it up in 9/11 is an INSULT to those that died that day.

Before all you fucking Nazis go torture and execute this child for apposing your opinions, remember this, as an American, being opposed to our government is the MOST patriotic thing an American can do. It is what seperates our great country from every other country.

No matter what the N.R.A. says your pathetic little guns will not and do not protect you from our government. Being able to make our government accountable for its actions is the only thing that keeps our government from turning into a dictatorship.

Wrapping it up in 9/11 is an INSULT to those that died that day.

Not sure what you mean here....I believe he was insulting the memory of those that died...and by condoning his actions, the parents are as well.

Before all you fucking Nazis go torture and execute this child for apposing your opinions, remember this, as an American, being opposed to our government is the MOST patriotic thing an American can do.

So am I a Nazi for joking about some little ass insulting those who died on 9/11 and disrupting a school function by spewing obscene language? Oh and by also comdemning the parents that condoned these actions? I will admit that it is inappropriate to have anything like this posted at a school. But I have the right to dislike this kid and his parents for their actions. It was just a joke btw.

being opposed to our government is the MOST patriotic thing an American can do.

It could be, under the correct circumstances, if that government is not upholding the values and beliefs of the constitution. It could also be just as patriotic to show the government full support, when it is upholding the values of liberty and justice for all.

No matter what the N.R.A. says your pathetic little guns will not and do not protect you from our government

no comment :') < not a fan of the NRA

Being able to make our government accountable for its actions is the only thing that keeps our government from turning into a dictatorship.

We have to do this.....and I don't think we are making them accountable nearly enough in recent years.

Honestly though, where the fuck does the NRA come into this at all? And keeping us safe from the government? WTF? Are you high?

Opposing the government, the best thing we can do for the country? That's a laugh... I see the headlines now

US GOVERNMENT COMES UP WITH MEANS OF WORLD PEACE, BUT OOPS, TO BE GOOD AMERICANS WE HAVE TO OPPOSE IT!

"Man, I wish that guy would just keel over dead". There are no restrictions on this kid's freedom of speech going on, and it s in fact you who doesn't have things straight.

I was gonne reply, but in fact i'm not gonne do that now.
Because if I do there is a change you will come to my house and shoot me.
I know I have the freedom to dsay whatever I want, I also know that if I do so this will propebly have some grave repricutions, some death threats, maybe some bomb-letters you never know right?
This knowledge does in no way effect my freedom of speech, I still have it, I just can't use it without getting killed.

Ibudin clearly explained the difference between the way we in Europe see freedom of speech and the way it is viewed in the US.
I'm very thankfull to him for that, who knows what could have happened otherwise, I could have said what i thought and felt.
Thank you for saving me Ibudin, was really nice of you.

Yes, everytime someone thinks someone should die, they in fact take action on those thoughts, and use the guns that EVERY good American has, goes to the house of another American who isn't as fast with their gun, and kills thm. You have solved America, here is your cookie.

www.theouterlimits.com/episodes/season6/64.htm (http://www.theouterlimits.com/episodes/season6/64.htm)

:evil Watch this episode of the outer limits.

Yes, everytime someone thinks someone should die, they in fact take action on those thoughts, and use the guns that EVERY good American has, goes to the house of another American who isn't as fast with their gun, and kills thm

Nope, but the threat alone is a good enough argument not to speak.