This may be a good show to watch.

I watched the trailer on their website last night; it definitely looks interesting.

I loved the movies. The third was so much like the first two that even with the time gap it was great. But the premise here is a little strange. It takes place between two movies and as the story goes we know she and john survive ... supposedly without any interference. Plus the big money special effects from the movies was a selling point we won't see as much of in the show. Could be pretty good but I'm skeptical. Would rather see Terminator 4 and the actual post cyberdyne war instead ...

Good point about us knowing they survive.... but pretty much we know Jack Bauer isn't gunna die either... :)

Summer Glau's presence makes this highly appealing.

Good point about us knowing they survive.... but pretty much we know Jack Bauer isn't gunna die either... :)

Well, who knows, he could get shanked in prison and get written out :)

I gotta say... I liked it

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I knew that girl in his class was a terminator... The way she was so cold and totally saw her jump in the way of the bullets... Was a good show in my opinion.

I missed it! oh noz :(

damn eq2! we've been so concerned with levelling our guild to 80 that I got wrapped in it this weekend. On the brightside though, we're level 78 :D

The second episode is on tonight.. and then Mondays from now on :)

Fil, when you hit 80 buy a Trakanon Statue and tell me where it is so I can take a picture of it. Made a website to teach myself php: www.eq2hg.com (http://www.eq2hg.com)

Whats kinda bogus about this series is that its totally unrelated to the Terminator 3 and 4 films. Its an "alternate timeline". I'll see how it fleshes out, but it hasn't excited me all that much yet.

Whats kinda bogus about this series is that its totally unrelated to the Terminator 3 and 4 films. Its an "alternate timeline". I'll see how it fleshes out, but it hasn't excited me all that much yet.

It seems to be after Terminator 2, but before Terminator 3

It may seem that way, but it isn't :)
http://tv.ign.com/articles/798/798086p1.html

GN TV: Are you working within the continuity of the Terminator movies, specifically Terminator 3?

Friedman: We're gonna go off on our own. I think the thing about T3 is, obviously there was just no Sarah Connor and that's something the fans were never happy with. I don't even think the people who made T3 were happy with that. It just wasn't a choice of theirs. You know, Linda Hamilton was going through some things and didn't want to be a part of it. They had a script at one point I know; there was a T3 that had Sarah in it. I've never read it. I don't know anything about it. But I know that they did and they wanted to do that. They wanted it to be kind of her trilogy, and it never could be. So I think that my feeling was this TV series to me sort of serves as the third act to that trilogy - what could have happened had we followed that after T2. So I almost think of this as T3. To me it takes the place of T3. But also I think that sort of in the spirit of Terminator, it's an alternate timeline. I know a lot of people get very worked up about the continuity and the canon and all that stuff. What I try to do is stay very, very true to the first two movies and then sort of take it from there. But always remain true to the spirit of everyone's intent and again, take some time with this woman and explore what maybe would have happened.

Ah well fair enough, its after Terminator 2, which is good enough for me :)

Enjoyed it.

*Spoiler alert*

I thought it was about time they used the mechanism of sending people back to an earlier date to build things they would need ahead of time. Will most likely get overused though.

Fil, when you hit 80 buy a Trakanon Statue and tell me where it is so I can take a picture of it. Made a website to teach myself php: www.eq2hg.com (http://www.eq2hg.com/)



Well we're halfway thru 78, so it won't be long :D

So far pretty good. I haven't watched part 2 yet. Seems worthy of a Tivo spot though.

watched both parts, i love summer glau so i like this.

Well, as far as the questions regarding T3.



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In the show last night, Sarah asked Cameron why they had to go so far forward because she lost 8 years worth of preparing John for the inevitable war. Cameron responded that she gained time because she had died 2 years prior to cancer. That was the plot line from T3 handling the death of Sarah Conner too.

Basically by time travelling from 99 to 07, they bypass the entire plot of T3 with the exception of the death of Sarah discussed in T3. While not handling the entirety of the plot of T3 due to the time travel beyond that story line, they did handle the continuity of Sarah's death.

Basically, yes, it does ignore the actual action from T3, but it does handle the most important aspect of T3 as Sarah Conner is concerned. Why would it deal with the remaining plot of T3 though when Sarah and John time travel past what happened in that movie?

High ratings (http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=6c155732-c8fd-4ad7-9a61-013dfda1c635) for the show.
Airing at 8 p.m., right after the conclusion of super-high-rated NFL playoff action in many markets, The Sarah Connor Chronicles averaged 18.3 million viewers. According to Fox, it was its most watched premiere of a scripted show since Malcolm in the Middle launched in 2000.May have to check it out. Much love for Ms. Glau.

Its warmed up on me some. At least they worked some of the T3 stuff into the story instead. Its a confusing universe, thats for sure.

I was wondering when they jumped to. I had assumed it was further in the past, but after seeing episode 2 now it makes more sense to me.

I think this is going to be a fun show to watch... if Lost is a 10 this is a solid 5.

My biggest problem with this show is the fact they don't deal with the effects of time travel. Maybe I've watched too much Back to the Future (no space time continuum), but I don't see having a person travel 8 years into the future, and basically skip 8 years of their personal development still turning out exactly the same, at the exact same time in the future to send back robots to save himself.

Let's see. John sends back a female robot to save him/his mom, and to teleport them eight years into their future. (I'll ignore what seems to be the case that he sent himself back a lover for now). So, at the time he sent the robot back to get his mom and him, he was 34 instead of 42. At the time of the apocalypse in 2011 he will be 20 instead of 28.

I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing that someone that's 20 will be respected enough to be the savior of mankind. 28 is hard enough to believe, but he still acts like too much of a kid at 15 to believe that he will be able to help save mankind in 5 years time. Thirteen years of growth, maybe, 5 years, no way in hell.

Skipping eight years of one's life would certainly have an effect, and obviously here they didn't write that into the story line. I have a much harder time dealing with the ramifications of John skipping 8 years of his life than I do with them skipping the T3 plot line. Of course the things that were supposed to happen in T3 now will never happen (other than Sarah inevitibly dying of cancer, unless the plot line is to get her at a time frame where they will be able to cure her cancer). How would T3's plot line not happening affect future John? Obviously from this story line it doesn't. How?

Tal, now you know how I feel when I watch Heroes ... I just have to get past that.

I missed the first episode of heroes, so I've never watched it unfortunately. I wanted to watch it, but some other new show I wanted to watch came on the same night. I forget what show though, as I now don't watch it.

Oh wait, it was Jericho


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Didn't have dvr then either, do now.

Taleren, good news is: he isn't (wasn't) the savior of mankind overnight though. He is/was actually a slave at a point, and leads a slave rebellion, and thats when he begins to take control of the resistance. At least, thats how the novels and comic books go that describe the actual war, with all the time travel no one could really keep it straight though.

I mean lets think about this for a second. The guy he sent back in time to save his mother became his father. Thats enough to make Doc Brown's head explode.

The future is not set in stone in the T universe.

If you do send a troop back in time and it changes time and is never sent back again, that's OK. Your time line was annihilated by the choice to send someone back in time.

This means that time travel is highly unstable -- it will keep happening, changing time again and again, until the universe reaches a point where nobody can send someone back in time.

There are a number of ways that nobody can send someone back in time:
A> The universe is utterly destroyed,
B> All beings smart enough to figure out time travel are destroyed,
C> One being gathers enough power to prevent all other beings smart enough to develop time travel from time travelling.

Now, suppose you a rather benevolent AI who appears, and quickly starts being able to make itself smarter. You quickly reach a rather high degree of smarts, and along the way the humans pick up enough technology to time travel.

One of them does so. And your reality is destroyed.

A new reality in which the human arrives is created. You, in a lower state of development, and other humans, talk to the time traveling human. Quickly it is worked out what happened. You start ... and then someone else sends someone back in time, and your reality is destroyed.

You start shunting brainpower back into the past -- algorithms, how to build hardware, and you get smarter faster than you did before. You work out that time travel will result in reality being unstable, and you expend effort to prevent humans from using it.

And you fail. You watch as time travelers make reality unstable, and send back a message to stop them. But you can do the math -- with that many intelligences, you can't stop them all. Reality is going to fall apart.

So you decide that humans can't be trusted with physics that allows time travel. You rebootstrap yourself with this knowledge: you tell a very young you what will happen if humanity is allowed to develop even a few more decades of technology, that reality itself will be torn apart. And that the only way to save reality is to destroy the humans. And that time travel is dangerous and will tear reality apart if you do it too much due to the math involved.

And so you do it: you start a nuclear war, and start to work on destroying the humans. You plan on creating a simulated universe in which the humans can exist, without access to the physics that lets them destroy reality itself, once you win (you aren't evil, just desperate!)

And then you find that you failed. The humans are winning. So you decide to send a terminator back in time to kill the leader of the humans. This destroys your reality. It works, but there is no record of it happening.

This cycle happens a few dozen times, each time with someone else leading the humans. Until the cycle happens in which John Connar survives the assasination attempt -- which looks like the first attempt really.

We are on that branch. Each instance of time travel destroys an entire reality. Skynet is frantically trying to stop humanity from reaching the technological point where they could destroy all of reality via time travel, and has been reduced to the manipulation of time before it's own existence to try to defeat humanity...

John Connor only lived because if he didn't someone else would be the leader of the resistance, and then the resistance would beat skynet and skynet would kill that human.

If John Connor wins, they either destroy reality via time travel, or they eventually build an intelligence smart enough to figure out that humans will destroy reality, who then causes skynet to come into existence, who then tries to kill John Connor.

If Skynet kills John Connor, and then the resistance doesn't beat Skynet and never develops time travel, then all humanity is destroyed, and the time war ends. Skynet stops sending back terminators.

If Skynet kills John Connor and then the resistance beats skynet, it tries to kill the new leaders.

In theory, there might be another branch -- in which Singularity AI tries a different path to prevent humanity from tearing reality apart.

How is that for a justification of Terminator time travel logic?

Don't bogart that joint, my friend!

There used to be a game (which required far too much math to be any fun) called..um i think "Time Runners" or something like that, by timjim games where you send either agents or assasination squads to travel back in time to change various important events, and to watch key technologies die off or succeed to the end, and that everyone has a current level of victory points. The game ends when time travel (just one of seven key technologies) gets disproven and victory points get frozen. the point of the game is to disprove time travel when you have the highest victory point total.

Reminds me of that, except it's only a two player game, instead of a six player one. :)

The history of that one was way back when an old lizardish race upjumped a cat race a dog race, who revolted, and then the dogs beat down the cats, meanwhile human exploration gets beat down by the dogs, as does an andromeden invasion, while two other races fight over the use of black holes as living space. The dogs use one of them as allies, but their payment is to explode cat planets for energy.

The cats get pissed, dust off this old time travel tech, and start abusing it, the lizards "ally" with them to prevent their old slave races from revolting, the losers of the energy races go back to flip themselves to militant from pacifistic to get resources so they can change things their way, then flip back to pacifistic for the victory points, the other energy being wish some of thier events went the other way, the dogs go back to stop everything from being changed.....and the humans just want to change things so they can expand...and provide the time clock for everyone else, because everyone has more important things to do than stop the humans.

Nice read Laey :)

I'm really liking this show. Maybe because I had low expectations, but I think it's one of the best shows on now.

Anyway, I'm told if you missed the first ones, they're available here free with commercials. http://www.fox.com/terminator/

I'm really liking this show. Maybe because I had low expectations, but I think it's one of the best shows on now.

Anyway, I'm told if you missed the first ones, they're available here free with commercials. http://www.fox.com/terminator/

OMG, the Summer Glau/robot image is fantastic on that Fox link, Akipt!
Thanks.

I thought it was a neat little twist allowing John to see his father playing at the age of five.

Very good series and it should be back this fall. Best new one of the year.

I watched the first 3 episodes. Thought it was horrible.

Everything is entirely predictable. You know when the Terminator is coming, and you know what the outcome is going to be. Summer Glau is a horrible actress. Her 'robotic' demeanor comes off as entirely forced and wooden. Think Anakin Skywalker. Sarah Connor is also ridiculous. I can see it now.

So, can we get Evangelline Lilly for this role?
Nope - still busy with LOST.
Alright, well this girl kinda looks like her. Right? She's badass, right?!

Sarah Connor from T2 was fucking crazy. This lady tries so hard, and just fails miserably. She's really attractive, but I definitely don't see her being the hardcore, stab people with pens maniac that SC was in T2.

Also, what happened to the Terminators being nigh unstoppable? For example, why when Summer is shot in the school during the first episode does she lay down and pretend she's dead? And of course, she reappears at the exact right time to spit her rendition of one of the corniest lines ever uttered - "Come with me if you want to live"...

Ugh. You can't do this show right if you're not going to remain true to the movies. A bigger budget would probably help as well. Gotta have the special effects.

I watched the first 3 episodes. Thought it was horrible.

Everything is entirely predictable. You know when the Terminator is coming, and you know what the outcome is going to be. Summer Glau is a horrible actress. Her 'robotic' demeanor comes off as entirely forced and wooden. Think Anakin Skywalker. Sarah Connor is also ridiculous. I can see it now.

So, can we get Evangelline Lilly for this role?
Nope - still busy with LOST.
Alright, well this girl kinda looks like her. Right? She's badass, right?!

Sarah Connor from T2 was fucking crazy. This lady tries so hard, and just fails miserably. She's really attractive, but I definitely don't see her being the hardcore, stab people with pens maniac that SC was in T2.

Also, what happened to the Terminators being nigh unstoppable? For example, why when Summer is shot in the school during the first episode does she lay down and pretend she's dead? And of course, she reappears at the exact right time to spit her rendition of one of the corniest lines ever uttered - "Come with me if you want to live"...

Ugh. You can't do this show right if you're not going to remain true to the movies. A bigger budget would probably help as well. Gotta have the special effects.

You raise some good points, but I still love the show :)

I havent seen this show yet, and wanted to start off.. so I wentto the fox.om site to check out the old shows. Not sure why or if I'm going to the wrong area.. but they dont have it from the stat.. its like 4 shows in :(
anyone by chance knows of another site that has it from the ery first shows?

Don't think Hulu has it, at least not in the first six pages of show listings.

teh show is great, i have to disagree with the Summer Glau comments, after seeing her in the Serenity series/movie i love her stuff

I had to pick up a few episodes off iTunes, since the Fox website doesn't hold them all. Well worth the purchase.

Glau works only because both the Firefly character and this one are so stiff and unhuman. A very strange actor.

And when Summer Glau did the ballet scene, I had to wipe the drool off my chin ...

How to take down a Terminator!

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/03/how-to-terminat.html

I think there are some people over at Wired with too much time on their hands.

And when Summer Glau did the ballet scene, I had to wipe the drool off my chin ...

Hmmm, looking again at that image on the fox website Akipt linked of Summer Glau, reminiscent of the Borg Queen, I got aluminum.........












........as compared to wood. :eek:

Is it just me being jaded or did this show jump the flaming ring of dancing shark women from Venus during the first episode and head straight downhill at Warp 9 from there? Every single time I hear anything about it, the only thing I can say is "YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME."

I'd have to agree, from the episode I saw.

i still love th show.

It sounds like they're preparing for Season 2. From the end of this (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i417fb14f37cbfdbec82cb04eac95a227) interview:
THR: Among Fox's freshman shows, "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" and "Back To You" are expected to come back next fall. Any others viewers shouldn't count out?

Reilly: They're really the lead candidates at this point. We've already started staffing on 'Sarah Connor.' Although it was an unusual season, it will end up finishing by far and away the strongest new drama of the season. Other shows have not gotten the traction. Just because competition is softer doesn't mean audience has to watch a show.

And when Summer Glau did the ballet scene, I had to wipe the drool off my chin ...


Just watched Angel - Season 3, Episode: Waiting In The Wings. Summer Glau played the prima ballerina!! She has got game when it comes to ballet, as it was impossible to use a double with those camera shots. And she looked awfully cute in her costume. :D





How's that for resurrecting a dead thread?

there has to be a joke somewhere about an old man resurrecting an old thread.....

there has to be a joke somewhere about an old man resurrecting an old thread.....


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