I was listening to NPR in some store and heard a story about this, and found it interesting that an operation could grow this big without anyone knowing about it for so long.
The Link to the Story (http://www.canoe.ca/NationalTicker/CANOE-wire.Indoor-Pot-Bust.html)

edit~ Holy Fubar Link Batman!
-dart

They also mentioned something on the radio about it being setup and run by' OrganizedCrime'. It makes sense when you think about the initial startup costs, and setting up the lights/hydroponics.

The mafia hasn't really had any headlines lately, and has kinda taken on a low profile in recent years. But squatting a whole plant and making it a weed factory could bring some other area's of crime back into the limelight

Nice fucking links... I'm not even going to bother.

holy shit why did it log me in on that account? I hate EZ!

I think this was the intended link... www.canoe.ca/NationalTick...-Bust.html (http://www.canoe.ca/NationalTicker/CANOE-wire.Indoor-Pot-Bust.html)

That was my intended link, I blame lack of coffee!

Should be less gay to look at now in the original post too, wuwu!

the largest and most sophisticated in modern Canadian history
wherever they got their info, was totally off.

Why? They haven't seen yours yet ? ;)

I'd be willing to bet that much dope is run across the border of Mexico daily. Nice catch though for Seagent Preston of the Yukon.


Ibudin

A bunch of marijuana farms out in the open wouldn't constitute the "largest and most sophisticated operation."

Investigators seized more than 30,000 marijuana plants


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sophisticated? yeah, I guess so.
Large? somewhat, I suppose.. but there is bigger, I assure you.

I'm not all to sure on american weed laws; but we have legal grow ops in Canada. I don't even see why this is such news.
Our Prime Minister has mentioned decriminalization of marijuana, and there is many other people who are also trying to decriminalize it.

Give it 2-3 years.. Finding grow ops in Canada is going to be like finding sand on a beach. We have it, we like it, we use it (by we, I mean 5,000,000 canadians).

I think, not sure, but maybe some Americans may or may not have used marijuana on very rare occassions.

Don't quote me on that.

I didn't say Americans didn't smoke chronic, I know lots of americans who love the chronic.

what I was saying, was that finding some grow op in Canada is some piss poor news.

Oh, and I'd hardly call that shit you americans smoke marijuana, it's like tobacco it's so fucking weak.
(yes, I had to say that, your comment was just so off what I said and retarded that I felt I had to insult your entire country for letting your parents have children)

Oh my god Xanaron lives in BC and thinks thats the only place you can get chronic. Get out of your shell man. You ever been to Ontario..talk about fucking ditch weed growing fools


I assure you the US has its share of "chronic" producers.

Ibudin

I didn't say it was the only place to get it..

Can you people not fucking read!?

I know Americans grow marijuana.. every country does.. Fuck are you stupid.
I've never smoked Ontario Bud.. I have no need for it. Why would I pay some asshat amount of money to get what is more than likely shit sent halfway across the country?

Oh, and I'd hardly call that shit you americans smoke marijuana, it's like tobacco it's so fucking weak.

You're implying alot there. I don't know what crawled up your ass and died, but I fucking assure you, what we smoke in the South will own your B.C. schwag 6 ways from Sunday.

You haven't lived till you've had Blueberry.

I've had blueberry before.. it's not all that good..

Then someone lied to you.

http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/0a774906/cannabis.jpg

wow, what a photoshop picture..
I just don't see it happening for this reason. (http://www.420.com/htsite/news/content.php?page=news_03061205&tpage=1)
Anybody have anything intelligent to say?

Obviously not you.

How is what I said not intelligent?

All I said was finding a grow op in Canada wasn't all that big of news..

Then you fucks get all retarded and start spewing shit out of your mouth that has nothing to do with anything.

You're acting like you have several porcupines stuck up your ass.

Give it 2-3 years.. Finding grow ops in Canada is going to be like finding sand on a beach

explain to me how that in any shape was instigating your comments?

I said I was unsure about American laws on Marijuana.. which I am unsure of, since I'm not american.

who has the stick up their ass? the person who made a harmless comment or the 2-3 ignorant pricks who made rude comments? I only commented back because of what you said.
Move the fuck on chimp.

American laws are really quite simple.

Having any of it on you is illegal.

You're not making harmless comments dude. You reacted to my overtly sarcastic remark by calling American weed trash, which is a pretty fucking empty remark considering some of the quality of operations around the South.

Then, when people react to your flamebaiting, you're pulling the victim card. Kinda like a certain Hungarian...

you seriously can't have any at all on you?

and the only weed I've smoked in the states was in Vegas and Seattle, and both were shit.

Where in the south exactly? I enjoy trying _good_ new things.

i'm so ashamed because our weed is shit compared to canada's :o hahahahahahaha

anyways, if its illegal, its illegal, you can't have any on you, or in you, unless your treaded medically

Remember guys, Xanaron smokes so that makes him/her/it infinately more open minded and intelligent then anyone else on the board. It's a proven fact amongst smokers that smoking makes you a genius.

OH MY FUCKING GOD you stupid potheads stop arguing about who makes a better illegal drug you jackasses, do you have any IDEA how stupid you look?

Master Damoiel Mindbend
Retired Enchanter of the 60th Season

Remember guys, Xanaron smokes so that makes him/her/it infinately more open minded and intelligent then anyone else on the board. It's a proven fact amongst smokers that smoking makes you a genius.

A fucking men...thats all I can think about when these assholes post about pot...how smart they think they are.

I've tried a few times American buds on trips and yeah, they are shit and cost like 2 times or more waht bud costs here in Canada.

Impresario Almadar Tegleftyln
Retired

A fucking men...thats all I can think about when these assholes post about pot...how smart they think they are.
omgz0rz, the govt says its rong follow them lolz!!one!1!

Pray tell, what, exactly, is the problem with decriminalizing Marijuana and setting a legal age in the same fashion as Alcohol? What makes it inherently worse than other legal drugs? Who do you think sponsers the Campaign for a Drug Free America?

umm... how does that quote fit in with what you just said? i don't think anyone here is disputing the morality in keeping pot illegalized

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Nice defense there. The government also says stealing traffice cones is illegal but I've got a federal offense warning people that my clothes hamper is definately not safe.

No, I base my stance on the fact that every pothead I have run into is a moron. You are not an Einstein in waiting if only you smoke enough.

<a href="http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/harmful-effects-of-marijuana.htm" target="_new">21 seconds with Google.</a>

Marijuana isn't a fucking academic supplement, its not supposed to increase your intelligence. It's like alcohol or tobacco; it makes already good things (South Park, Madden 2004) great, or makes bad things (VT *cough*) tolerable.

I'll agree with you on that much Beo. Alcohol and Marijuana is great when you're boring. Oops, I meant bored. I just love how wicked gay someone can be when they're high in claiming how my desire to not partake in their particular enjoyment is somehow closed minded.

And it almost always comes back to that. Any argument I've gotten into with a stoner has always ended in how I'm a right-wing conservative Christian who's ultimate dream in life is to hold the president's dick while he pee's.

Wanna smoke a little every other week or so to take the edge off? Be my guest. We all have different ways of dealing with stress, chemical or otherwise.

But when I call someone who gets stoned every other night a fucking lamer and they try to justify it by saying, "Well...alcohol is legal! So what's wrong with marijuana?" I just have to laugh. And then they'll laugh with me because I'm laughing and they have no fucking clue what's going on.

'Then, when people react to your flamebaiting, you're pulling the victim card. Kinda like a certain Hungarian... '

Wow, Hungarians and smoke in one topic. Finally something that Beo said and make sense.

You're just another victim of DuPont, Zehn. :(

--Cen

Pray tell, what, exactly, is the problem with decriminalizing Marijuana and setting a legal age in the same fashion as Alcohol? What makes it inherently worse than other legal drugs? Who do you think sponsers the Campaign for a Drug Free America?



I would think you're just as stupid for sitting here telling everyone how drunk you got last night and rambleing on for 2 pages.

The fact that you don't realize how childish and retarded this thread is,is proof enough that weed is bad for you.

>And it almost always comes back to that. Any argument I've gotten into with a stoner has always ended in how I'm a right-wing conservative Christian who's ultimate dream in life is to hold the president's dick while he pee's.

Should stop posting your diary on the net Zehn, pretty sure everyone knows that about you by now.

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omgz0rz, the govt says its rong follow them lolz!!one!1!

Pray tell, what, exactly, is the problem with decriminalizing Marijuana and setting a legal age in the same fashion as Alcohol? What makes it inherently worse than other legal drugs? Who do you think sponsers the Campaign for a Drug Free America?

hahahahaahah

A blunt of nugs combined with the movie Finding Nemo is quite possibly one of the coolest things ever.

Jackass the Movie > all while under the influence of adult beverages!

You should try the CKY video's too then.

And that picture was fucking hilarious.

Nice defense there. The government also says stealing traffice cones is illegal but I've got a federal offense warning people that my clothes hamper is definately not safe.
Woah there Zehn, you rebel. Keep fighting the system dude.... /sarcasm off



The fact that you don't realize how childish and retarded this thread is,is proof enough that weed is bad for you.
For the record, I've never smoked weed in my life. I've simply never had the desire to try, and I doubt I will. So while you're feeble attempt to discredit me based on me being a stoner, is well... wrong.




No, I base my stance on the fact that every pothead I have run into is a moron. You are not an Einstein in waiting if only you smoke enough.
Then you haven't broadened your horizons enough. I have friends who could tear you an intellectual asshole so wide even your thick head could fit through it. Flexibility is of course an issue... but we'll pretend it isn't. Pot makes some people fucking idiots because they do jack shit, while my friends smoke weed while reading philosophy. It all depends on the person.


Gotta hit up school, but I'll help you with your little misleading link when I get back ;) . Then we can all sit back and hold hands and sing!




But when I call someone who gets stoned every other night a fucking lamer and they try to justify it by saying, "Well...alcohol is legal! So what's wrong with marijuana?" I just have to laugh.
While thats really simplistic, it is a legitimite question to a degree. I like you openly admit you're incapable of answering the question though. As I said before, when I have time I'll delineate the arguments for marijuana in comparison to alcohol.




I would think you're just as stupid for sitting here telling everyone how drunk you got last night and rambleing on for 2 pages.
I got drunk last night and rambled for two pages? Man, how'd I miss that?





hahahahaahah

Pot makes some people fucking idiots because they do jack shit, while my friends smoke weed while reading philosophy. It all depends on the person.

Wrong. Nice try though.

Master Damoiel Mindbend
Retired Enchanter of the 60th Season

Instead of taking only fragments of my argument, why don't you try beating the whole of it? Oh that's right, you can't.

I'll respond when you actually have a decent point somewhere in your witty ineffectual retorts. In the meantime, keep telling us about your friends who are super-genius's because they smoke pot.

>your friends who are super-genius's because they smoke pot

Wile E. Coyote smokes pot?

Nah Qaman, the president of Acme Company is the Genius!! Wile E. Coyote is merely victim of a 1-800 catalog number and an unlimited amount on a credit card.

Well, it probably isn't his credit card anyways.

Well...there are some really smart fuckers that smoke dope (none of them post here however...)

The ones I know smoke HUGE amounts of weed because they are so fucked up its the only way they can handle going to school and talking to people etc. The couple I know are the 1600 sat types.

No one becomes a genius by smoking pot. But i smoke some for years now, and i"m not dumber for smoking it. And yeah, those who smoke like 5-6 blunts a day or more actually gets dumber over time. It all depends about how you can control from overtaking it.

I don't see anyone claiming to be a super genius because they smoke. I've never heard anyone comment on their intelligence and how it is increased by their smoking of marijuana. To call someone lame because they choose to take part in an activity that is harmful to their body is just stupid. It's my body, and I'll damn well do what I want with it.

I would argue that smoking pot every other day is more healthy than playing Everquest all day. Perhaps not in a physical sense, (It could be. Not getting much exercise playing EQ all day.) but I do not think obsessive gaming is very good on your mental health. When I used to play Everquest hardcore I was spending like, 5 hours a day on the computer. That is just pathetic. I know at least in my case that it was more harmful to me than any amount of marijuana could be. (Well, not any...) I'm pretty sure these people with 100's and 100's of days played have more to worry about than I do.

You pick your poison. If you think I'm an idiot because I smoke marijuana, that's fine. My lungs, your liver. It makes you no smarter or worse.

My good friend Bill O'Reilly put it in a way that I find myself to agree with:

Much of the population is bullish on intoxication. And set in their ways. Dedicated pot smokers believe they are "mellow" and look down on crackheads nodding out in alleyways or deserted basements. Young professionals sniffing coke know that they're on top of the world, masters of the universe: The drug tells them so. The country club set, knocking back martinis and Manhattans and Cosmopolitans, looks down on the rednecks at the noisy beer joint across the county line, and the writers and intellectuals at the local college sneer at both groups for being "alkies" but believe that a trip on the lastest psychedelic drug is an intellectual adventure. But everyone has one believe in common: I can handle my "drug of choi

Wrong. Nice try though.
pwnd!

So you're saying that my friends don't smoke weed while reading philosophy? Or you're saying that all people who smoke weed are lazy? Or are you simply antagonizing for the sake of embarassing yourself?



Instead of taking only fragments of my argument, why don't you try beating the whole of it? Oh that's right, you can't.
Woah sweetheart, I already said in my post I was going to as soon as I was out of school. It's called reedin komprehenshun, tri et owt sumtym:
Gotta hit up school, but I'll help you with your little misleading link when I get back
I know you're excited, and I won't keep you waiting. Get it nice and hard so you can rub one out to this display of owning... it'll be excellent ;) *Huggles*




In the meantime, keep telling us about your friends who are super-genius's because they smoke pot.
Woah, I did not say they are super genius's because they smoke pot, but that they do and it would not lessen their ability to derationalize any argument you could make for/against marijuana. And for the record, I have very liberal and very conservative friends who all agree on marijuana decriminalization, so this really isn't so much a party issue, even though its normally pushed by very "liberal" groups.



And now for your article:

Marijuana (THC) is an extremely powerful and pleasurable intoxicant. It affects, alters, and damages brain cells controlling thinking, emotion, pleasure, coordination, mood and memory.
Correct, very similar to the effects of Alcohol. That should be something we can agree on, and it really has no bearing either way in the argument. Moving on.


The pituitary gland is also damaged which regulates hunger, thirst, blood pressure, sexual behavior, and release of sex hormones.
The idea that smoking marijuana affects the release of sex hormones and testosterone was a homophobic notion that was originally created during the sexual revolution to fight the increase in marijuana use. Contrary to Dr. R. C. Kolodony's 1974 study which suggested so, of the 7 more recent studies, the latest by Dr. Robert Block of the University of Iowa, none have found the same results. Interestingly enough, heavy alcohol use has been proven to cause a decrease in testosterone levels.



Clogged synapses, brain damage and addiction
Brain damage... this is another one of those government funded beliefs, that is even taught to school children by DARE. However, heres the real scoop:

A single study once tried to show that smoking marijuana could damage the brain by killing brain cells in monkeys. This study came under heavy scrutiny from a medical review board for it's poor design. Recently, using technology that is so advanced, a study was completed on Rhesus monkeys that could see the effects of learning on brain cells. Marijuana use had no effect on the brain cells, and the notion that it causes brain damage by killing such cells has never been proven except in the one study which many people still cite because it's simply an argument to fight marijuana decriminalization.

Additionally, unlike Tobacco or Alcohol, there is no addictive element to Marijuana. Any very rare "addiction" simply stems from the feeling... and by that notion, shopping should be criminalized.




Marijuana accumulates in the microscopic spaces between nerve cells in the brain called "synapses." This clogging interferes by slowing and impairing transfer critical information.
While on a high, yes. Alcohol has a very similar effect in the way it slows the nervous system, but like Marijuana, it's only while drunk.




Long term use causes the brain to stop production of brain chemicals necessary to "feel good" - a negative feedback condition. And, the user becomes chemically addicted to marijuana.
I'm not sure what this argument is saying, as the chemicals produced that give the "high" feeling from marijuana are not triggered and released by the brain, but is the Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol chemical that comes from the plant itself.




Speeds up heartbeat as much as 50%, increases blood pressure, and poses great risk to those with hypertension and heart disease
If you have hypertension and heart disease, you shouldn't be smoking in the first place. It's really pretty simple, thats like saying alcohol should be illegal because people with liver problems are in danger.



Marijuana damages the network of glands, organs, and hormones involved in growth and development, energy levels, and reproduction.
The website already posted this claim, so I"m assuming in doing it a second time it is merely an attempt to make their case seem longer and thus more substantial *shrug*. As per the study completed by Dr. Block and several others, it is clear that that claim is not legitimite... and sorry, repeating it doesn't make it true.



Organs and glands affected:
pituitary gland
thyroid gland
stomach
duodenum
pancreas
adrenal glands
testis
Cute list, it's just a continuation of the defeated point above.




Marijuana use can decrease and degenerate sperm, sperm count, movement, and cause lowered sex drive. Females can have egg damage, suppression of ovulation, disrupt menstrual cycles, and alteration of hormone levels.
In the early 1980s, Dr. Gabriel Nahas did a study with the cells of Rhesus monkeys contained in test tubes and petrii dishes which came to conclusion that sperm counts were lowered in humans too. He received a lot of criticism for his jump from monkey cells to human bodies, and he renounced his own results in 1983. As far as sperm count studies that actually were placed on humans, in 1988 a study found a correlation between marijuana use and slightly lowered sperm counts. The only problems with this argument when used against marijuana are: 1) Lowered sperm counts have not been proven to have a negative effect on fertility, and 2) Once marijuana use is discontinued, sperm counts return to normal levels.

As far as the female argument, it is unproven and largely regarded as a simple scare tactic to dissuade female would-be smokers. If you can indeed find a study that can statistically show this, instead of simply say that it's true, by all means I'll listen. Of course, you won't be able to do a study like that yourself, as it's illegal to study the affects on women here in the US. Why? Your guess is as good as mine, and I bet you know what mine is.




Regular use during pregnancy can lower birth weight and cause abnormalities similar to Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (small head, irritability, poor growth and development.
While occurances of this are at this point not statistically proveable, it is known that Delta-9-THC does reach the baby and can potentially have the same affects as alcohol on the baby's growth. As a result, the chronic smoking of marijuana is not recommended during pregnancy, especially during the third trimester.




Can destroy the number of chromosomes, resulting in cell abnormalities and impaired function.
See above.




Other affects on the central nervous system
distortions of perceptions, thinking and reality
Difficulty in forming concepts and thoughts
Poor concentration
Mental confusion
Loss of motivation
Wide mood swings
Aggression and hostility
Depression, anxiety and paranoia
All while high, and all are just as common with alcohol.




The harmful effects of marijuana on the Eyes:
Sleep looking, blood-shot eyes with dilated pupils.

I'm not sure how this is bad for you, as it's a physical appearance thing that, one again, leaves after the high.



The harmful effects of marijuana on the Throat Irritates membranes of the esophagus; increases chance of developing cancer of larynx and esophagus.
Let's compare tobacco and marijuana:

-Tobacco contains nicotine, an addictive substance, which can harden the arteries in the throat when inhaled and may be responsible for much of the heart disease associated with smoking tobacco. New research has even found that nicotine itself may be the reason for the cancerous nature of smoking tobacco, as upon burning it turns into the cancer causing chemical N Nitrosamine, which is then inhaled.

-Marijuana contains THC, which is much like a cough drop because it is a bronchial dilator, allowing the lungs to open and smoke to clear, unlike Nicotine which makes your lungs close up. While the exact cause of cancer in smoking is unproven at this point, it is currently believed by many that it is from a substance known as Lead 210. If this is true, it would explain why there has never been a single case of documented lung cancer from marijuana use alone, as it contains much less Lead 210 than tobacco.

Additionally, the criminalized state of Marijuana makes it much more dangerous than it would be if decriminalized. Filtered cigarettes, Inhalers, and vaporizers, which all serve as safer methods for taking marijuana, are impractical to make unless mass produced, and our current laws do not allow for this. A legalized marijuana would be a safer marijuana.




Gonna switch the order on this one:
The harmful effects of marijuana on the Lungs

Causes bronchial tubes to be inflamed, thickened and to produce more mucus; resulting in narrowing of the air passages - Chronic Bronchitis
Slightly misleading: from the smoke itself, like tobacco, yes, but the THC itself serves as a bronchial dilator, something tobacco does not have.



Significant damage and destruction of the air sacs of the lungs, reducing the lungs ability to bring oxygen and remove carbon dioxide - Emphysema

Marijuana smoke has twice as much "tar" as cigarette smoke and significantly increases chance of lung cancer, inflammation and infection.
Very true points, but consider this: marijuana smokers do not chain smoke, unlike tobacco users. As a result, especially with strong marijuana, the need to smoke is confined to a minimum, as smoker's know the point where they've reached as high as they want to get. So for the tar making it twice as bad, or even if it were twenty times as bad for you, there still is little enough smoked that it's health issues don't even compare to those of Tobacco smokers.




I'll respond when you actually have a decent point somewhere in your witty ineffectual retorts.
Decent point? I've destroyed everything your entire source gave that attempted to paint marijuana as more harmful/wrong than either tobacco or alcohol.



Oh that's right, you can't.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Bitch.

Herro! I r teh Daidel. I maek sm4rt post by taking zehn quote + make funny 1 line comment about how my friends r so cool and i r teh fighting teh good fight! I r teh so intelectrual dat I act liek rational nazi police of eq massage board! P.S. I haev no weenus.

Damn good post, Daidal.

heh, gotta love competing scientific studies...

Anyway in my experience the most useless people I have ever encountered are either hardcore alcoholics or chronic pot smokers or both. If you are going to drink or smoke pot, do it in moderation. I would recommend doing neither if you can avoid it without becoming a social pariah.

Reading comprehension. You too should try it some time.

Ever notice the title of my link? 21 seconds on google? Yeah. It came up with that site, which seemed to have a few of the negative effects of Marijuana, so I posted it.

You defeated that, not my argument. You tried to defeat my argument and failed. And I think now, after reading your post, it's my fault because I didn't specify my point. I get lost sometimes in delivery since I tend to exaggerate grossly. I rarely take these boards seriously since, and I'll be honest here, I doubt I'm gonna change anyone's opinions.

My argument is thus, and clarified.

Marijuana, like most things, is fine with me when confined to small, unrelated incidents used to releave a bit of stress or enjoy yourself more, etc.... I jerk off now and then, have had a few drinks in my time when hanging out with the boys, and even smoked a few cigars during very prominant occasions.

My problem is with the people that chain smoke a few times every night and suddenly feel that they are the Almighty descended form on high all the sudden. It's the people who believe that they are the higher form of intelligence simply because they're more open-minded because they do marijuana.

Intelligent people smoke, idiot's smoke. However, the intelligent people seem for the most part to keep to themselves when doing it or keep it amongst themselves. The idiots fly to message boards or public places and let everyone know they're an idiot. Oh, Hi Xan.

Anyways, I'd elaborate more but it's dump day and I've got to get my trash ready.

Besides, in defeating the link I provided, you didn't really show anywhere why marijuana should be all fine and dandy for public consumption. You just did what most people do and try to 'justify it' by saying it's less harmful then alcohol and cigarettes.

I won't pretend that marijuana doesn't have negative health affects. And I won't claim it makes you smarter.

But it does make VT tolerable...and Funyuns edible!

Funyuns

It's Funions!!!! The weed has corrupted yu0r brain oh noz!11!

HAx0r on teh my brainz ((((

Herro! I r teh Daidel. I maek sm4rt post by taking zehn quote + make funny 1 line comment about how my friends r so cool and i r teh fighting teh good fight! I r teh so intelectrual dat I act liek rational nazi police of eq massage board! P.S. I haev no weenus.
Shew, that is by far, the worst argument for anything I have ever heard. Ad hominem out the fucking wazoo, so I really don't have anything to respond with. If you want to argue points, make your argument. If you want to resort to 3rd grade, you're welcome to. Theres nothing I can do to stop you, I'm really knot the "nazi police of eq massage board!"

Oh what the fuck, I'll tear your drivel apart anyways.



I maek sm4rt post by taking zehn quote + make funny 1 line comment about how my friends r so cool and i r teh fighting teh good fight!

1 Line Post/Response Count: 5
1 Line Post/Response Count that was sarcastic/antagonistic: 2
Total Post/Response Count: 28

2/28 Shew... that ratio does not bode well for you. Somebody here is winning this one, and I'm pretty sure it's not you. Strike one.


friends r so cool and i r teh fighting teh good fight!

At no point did I call my friends "so cool" or anything even remotely near that. I commented on how them smoking weed does not make them intellectually inferior, and it's proof enough that it depends completely on the person. Strike Two.



I r teh so intelectrual dat I act liek rational nazi police of eq massage board!

I'm still having trouble finding where you pulled this one from. Am I intellectual? Perhaps, to some. Many probably think I'm a fucking idiot *waits for the one liners on this one ;) *. The fact that I've backed my opinion with reasons and statistics is what seperates my argument from people who just post links probably without even reading or considering what they mean. And then there are people like you, with the most proposterous statements that really do nothing . I sure hope outside this game you somehow add something meaningful to the world Shew...



P.S. I haev no weenus.

You could never keep a secret, could you? Broken promises can only mean one thing:

Strike Three, you're out.






Reading comprehension. You too should try it some time.
Ooo burn.... But wait!

You defeated that, not my argument. You tried to defeat my argument and failed. And I think now, after reading your post, it's my fault because I didn't specify my point.
Uh huh? yea? Go on. Really?

Way to turn it around on me like I almost fucked up. At least you realized it, but its a shame that you didn't just correct your mistake before you posted it.



Marijuana, like most things, is fine with me when confined to small, unrelated incidents used to releave a bit of stress or enjoy yourself more, etc.... I jerk off now and then, have had a few drinks in my time when hanging out with the boys, and even smoked a few cigars during very prominant occasions.
I agree. I don't comprehend how this admission in any way, shape, or form, argues for the continued criminalization of marijuana.



My problem is with the people that chain smoke a few times every night and suddenly feel that they are the Almighty descended form on high all the sudden. It's the people who believe that they are the higher form of intelligence simply because they're more open-minded because they do marijuana.
Oh I agree it can be extremely annoying. I'm not seeing your argument though... So because a few people annoy you it should be illegal? I'm perplexed, to say the least.


Besides, in defeating the link I provided, you didn't really show anywhere why marijuana should be all fine and dandy for public consumption. You just did what most people do and try to 'justify it' by saying it's less harmful then alcohol and cigarettes.
Thats exactly the point though. On what grounds should it be illegal? Laws are formed to protect each person's natural rights, it was the basis of our government from Locke's political theorey. Casual use of marijuana in no way, shape, or form infringes on these rights any more than the socially acceptable Tobacco and Alcohol products that are used throughout the nation. So why Marijuana? If you'd like to present that argument, as one should be able to justify laws (Laws are created when they are necessary to protect life, liberty, and property; they should not have to be revoked when proven unnecessary. There should be substantial empirical or logical reasoning behind the criminalization of marijuana, or it should be decriminalized), I'm all ears. If you can't, admit it and it's no big deal.


With that said, *Zehn Huggles*.

How many cigarette's does it take before you start suffering form lung cancer?

How many drinks does it take before you can't safely drive?

How many joints does it take before you start feeling the various projected effects of marijuana other then stress relief?

I've had cigar's before and my lungs, according to my doctor are pefectly healthy. So a few every few weeks isn't gonna kill you.

After 3 drinks the only noticeable effect I've ever had was that I was 20 bucks poorer. I usually have to push 6~7 drinks before my neck loosens up and I decide that I can afterall dance despite being white. And unless I hit hard liquor I can't get past that point. So a few drinks every few weeks isn't gonna kill me.

I've never been high so I can't judge the third.

I'm not arguing for the legality of it. If you weren't so busy trying to make little witty jabs at me you might have seen that. I'm just saying that

A) It's a retarded argument to say that pot should be legalized because drinking and smoking is. It's like saying beastiality should be legal because sex is okay and so is spreading peanut butter on your balls.

B) People who overdo pot are morons, as are people who are alcoholics or those that chain-smoke.

C) If you're a moron to begin with, smoking pot will not make you more open minded and aware of the issues of the world around you. It will just make you a bigger idiot.

I think Daidal that we agree on B and C. It's A where we're not connecting.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The fact that I've backed my opinion with reasons and statistics is what seperates my argument from people who just post links probably without even reading or considering what they mean.<hr></blockquote>

So where's your sources? Btw, "High" magazine does not count.

Somebody here is winning this one, and I'm pretty sure it's not you.

Ok sunshine feel good about yourself that you are the master of message boards. Here's the thing though, you and Zehn both make good points but are both wrong. You fail to see that you're trying to generalize two groups of people with multiple sub-groups in them, for example the casual smokers, the non-smokers, the ones who don't smoke but are constantly around second hand smoke. And then the people who smoke weed constantly, who smoke at parties or once in a while.

Now I'm sure you're feeling pretty confident that I posted twice in this thread and that you have retorts for the "Hey I'm fucking bored so I'll pick on someone" comments and that be retorting with some long winded 3 page reply that only you read because the rest of the population here just scrolls down and goes "ohh, ahh I see a big word! Oh Zehn got owned!" that you're proving your point as if 2+2 does indeed equal 4 and not another number. Fact is there is no right answer. Get AIM, get Zehn's screenname and knock yourself out and feel superior over there if you want to bitch and moan and pick apart every little sentence with unmeaningful and unsubstantial points.

P.S. Bite my weiner.

It's a retarded argument to say that pot should be legalized because drinking and smoking is. It's like saying beastiality should be legal because sex is okay and so is spreading peanut butter on your balls.

I think the reason we can't come to terms on this is because we hold different views as to the nature of our government's political theory.

It seems to me that you are arguing that I'd have to find a reason why it should be legalized, not just that it wouldn't be harmful to do so.

While that's great, I completely disagree. The role of an established government is to protect the masses by each granting a small bit of their freedoms in exchange for the guarantee of their natural rights- It's Locke's basic premise. In such political theory, however, each person gives up only what is necessary to sustain their rights and not impede on the rights of others. As such, it isn't a question of "Why should it be legal?", but moreso "Why shouldn't it be legal?".



As for the analogy, the big flaw there is that beastiality does impede on the civil liberties of a subject- the animal. While we may not value an animal's rights near as much as our own, it is entirely too anthropocentric to deny an animal such rights as to not be raped.

Ok sunshine feel good about yourself that you are the master of message boards.
Yay! Now you just have to convince Zehn to change my title! :D



You fail to see that you're trying to generalize two groups of people with multiple sub-groups in them, for example the casual smokers, the non-smokers, the ones who don't smoke but are constantly around second hand smoke. And then the people who smoke weed constantly, who smoke at parties or once in a while.
I'm not attempting to generalize people or even classify people at all. I'm simply agreeing with Zehn that some people can be obnoxious while others aren't. Sub-groups you point out are irrelevant; Some are obnoxious, but some are not.




[b]Edit</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->: Going to Telluride until Monday evening, so I'll be away from the boards, but I'll respond to anything when I get back. Have a good weekend everyone!

Good for Pot.

Sorry had to post this for the inside joke amusement of about 10 people in the room with me.