No Way the Republicans win in 2000

He didnt win. He lost the vote remember :P

Nope he won, take off the tinfoil!!!

Hell I voted for Gore in 2000, even I know he lost ;P

Nope he won, take off the tinfoil!!!

Hell I voted for Gore in 2000, even I know he lost ;P

Tell that to the 30,000 disenfranchised black voters in Florida, who had names similar to felons.

Tell that to the 30,000 disenfranchised black voters in Florida, who had names similar to felons.

So instead of fixing the problem the Democrats simply grabbed a wet nap for their collective manginas, oh and tightened down their tinfoil hats.

Has anything been done to fix it? (mind you I voted for Gore and I recall quite clearly the allegations of voter fraud from both sides that year)

The recent HBO movie about that mess, Recount (http://www.hbo.com/films/recount/), was interesting. I'm sure it's quite biased, but interesting nonetheless.

(mind you I voted for Gore and I recall quite clearly the allegations of voter fraud from both sides that year)

On the other hand, I voted for Dubya, but I'm pretty sure Jeb and Miss Harris stole Florida.

All I remember is the talking heads carrying on about how what happened in Florida isn't that unusual, and that events like misplaced ballot boxes or other election screwups are relatively common. Later the news carries on about how people don't vote, and don't feel like their vote matters. Gee, I wonder why?

Florida was stolen plain and simple... If 30,000 likely black voters(who tend to vote democratic) were not allowed to vote because they had names similar to felons(a rule made up by the republican secretary of state in Florida). And it wasn't important enough for the necessary time to be spent recounting all the ballots by hand, and counting the dimpled chads. then that election was stolen.

There were thousands of elderly voters who protested because they realized they had voted for Pat Buchanan instead of Al Gore. Even Pat Buchanan said he though a lot of his votes were not really for him.

Then you have people who are American Citizens who simply were not allowed to vote?

Anyone who cares about our democracy, should KNOW and care that the election in 2000 was stolen from Al Gore.

30,000 people not allowed to vote
elderly voting for the wrong candidate due to a confusing ballot

Bush wins by 2000 votes.

Hmm

I think the way that Harris killed off the recount was even worse than the disenfranchised. They were almost done with a few recounts that would have put Gore ahead, but Harris shut them down and refused to accept any of the updated numbers.

If anyone brings up a "hanging Chad" I'm gonna flip out. I was working as a waiter in a retirement community through all of that, and the retirees had pretty shitty memories so I had to introduce myself at every table.
"Hi, my name is Chad and I'll be your ser..." "Chad? Are you a hanging Chad or a pregnant Chad? *laughter*"

Funny the first time, but since they couldn't remember shit hearing that joke 12 times a night, every night, for about a year ...

I think there is plenty of literature out there on this that pretty much removes all doubt that Gore won the Florida and thus the 2000 general election.

Oh gawd. It's never too late to fight the last war. :rolleyes:

HBO Recount interesting? HBO Rewrite would have been a more apt name for it.

Gore won? Then why did all the recounts that the news industry conducted show Bush still winning?

The news industry doesn't get to do recounts. Those were underway, and were ordered to be stopped.

Gore won Florida... Unless you think 30,000 Black and Cuban voters were going to vote for Bush.

The recounts were done for the entire state and for just those counties that Gore wanted redone. Bush won both ways. Irrefutable.

And I don't recall any of these fugitive name things being brought before the Supreme Court. Maybe you should look into doing that?

The recounts were never finished....

Hand recounts take longer and were not allowed to finish, even though Gore got closer and closer to winning as they continued.

Some counties only did machine recounts, and that was against the law of the recounts. They were supposed to be HAND recounts.

The ongoing struggle to get them all done and counted ended when the Supreme court ordered them to stop.

In addition to that, many of those machine recounts were nothing more than double checking the counter on the machine. They didn't even feed the ballots back through.

It's easier to be a tinfoil hat wearer than a googler.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2001-04-03-floridamain.htm

George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes — more than triple his official 537-vote margin — if every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted as votes, a USA TODAY/Miami Herald/Knight Ridder study shows. The study is the first comprehensive review of the 61,195 "undervote" ballots that were at the center of Florida's disputed presidential election.

Recount was a good movie, it DID show both sides Akipt.

I live here (florida) and know people who did Polk Counties recount and said there was so many issues, people bickering over if a ballot was filled in right, even thought it was CLEARLY one way they tossed it out because it wasnt EXACTLY how they wanted it. Was a serious fuckup.

there needs to be serious reform to the Electoral College that made this entire fiasco possible....popular vote > All. (yes i know that would mean depending on how the math is done Hillary wins) Also, there should be standardized voting that isnt subjective to bubble filling.

Bush winning by 1665 votes, and 62k not counting, you guys really think it was conclusive????

Recount also clued me into something i didnt know. the Supreme court wrote their decision basically only counted for that decision, and wasnt "new law" very interesting movie.

The person who ran the better campaign won the 2000 election.

End of story.

The person who ran the better campaign and had a brother running the swing state, won the 2000 election .
End of story.

fixed.

The news industry doesn't get to do recounts. Those were underway, and were ordered to be stopped.

Gore won Florida... Unless you think 30,000 Black and Cuban voters were going to vote for Bush.


Sorry, the votes are in and despite your rabid opinion Gore lost.

fixed.

Gore invented the internet and Global warming.

Too bad he couldn't hire better folks to help him beat Dubya.

Done deal, Gore lost and there's no unbiased report out there that claims different.

Sorry, the votes are in and despite your rabid opinion Gore lost.

So you support American citizens not being allowed to vote?

That is telling

Don't put those words in my mouth Jedd.

Utter bull, I'm saying it's a long running problem from both sides to have election fraud/issues.

I wanted Gore to win then, but there were allegations on all fronts and as such it's a wash.

Didn't the Supreme court weigh in on this??

There is not a focused push to deny truth on every front, there is merely inept methods and people on all sides ;(

It's easier to be a tinfoil hat wearer than a googler.



But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to ''count all the votes.''

In addition, the review found statistical support for the complaints of many voters, particularly elderly Democrats in Palm Beach County, who said in interviews after the election that confusing ballot designs may have led them to spoil their ballots by voting for more than one candidate.

The person who ran the better campaign won the 2000 election.

End of story.


Yes, Rove bringing the subject of McCain having a "dark-skinned" child in the family into the phone calling in Carolina definitely made that a better campaign. :rolleyes:

If you truly believe that election was stolen in some conspiracy, then where is your outrage about what happened to Clinton a week ago? 870,986 people voted for her in Florida primary alone. What about them?

Main point of the HBO movie was this:

Democrats = every vote must count even people to stupid to vote correctly. IE they care
Republicans = evil and will do anything to get elected, even usurp the will of the people.

In that movie could have had a drinking game with it. Chug a beer every time Spacey’s char says “ever vote needs to be counted” or “the voters intent” (when talking about dimples).

But when powers that be wanted the democratic primary over they all got together and decided A) individual votes in Florida and Michigan don’t matter and B) doing a revote or what ever was needed to make it right wasn’t worth their time because they wanted Obama to win. Even took existing delegates and added to Obama because they knew what people of Michigan would have done in a re vote.

If you truly believe that election was stolen in some conspiracy, then where is your outrage about what happened to Clinton a week ago? 870,986 people voted for her in Florida primary alone. What about them?

Main point of the HBO movie was this:

Democrats = every vote must count even people to stupid to vote correctly. IE they care
Republicans = evil and will do anything to get elected, even usurp the will of the people.

In that movie could have had a drinking game with it. Chug a beer every time Spacey’s char says “ever vote needs to be counted” or “the voters intent” (when talking about dimples).

But when powers that be wanted the democratic primary over they all got together and decided A) individual votes in Florida and Michigan don’t matter and B) doing a revote or what ever was needed to make it right wasn’t worth their time because they wanted Obama to win. Even took existing delegates and added to Obama because they knew what people of Michigan would have done in a re vote.

The 2 do not compare at all.

They were following the rules this year. Harris was making them up as she went in 2000. Definitely not a good comparison.

One state does not a losing campaign make.

It's simple and proof positive that he, Gore, didn't sway the nation.

He lost and tho I voted for him I'm glad he did.

One state does not a losing campaign make.

It's simple and proof positive that he, Gore, didn't sway the nation.

That's going to be pretty tough to sell, when Gore got 500k more votes than Bush.

That's going to be pretty tough to sell, when Gore got 500k more votes than Bush.

qft

Last I checked the Electoral college was still the final judge/jury on that one.

While I agree it's outdated you can't argue for rule of law and then be unhappy when it's used to decide a vote.

Now had it been a landslide aka '80 and then Carter had been awarded I could see yer point.

That was not the case however eh?

If all you care about is the electoral college, then it goes right back to Florida being stolen. You were the one that brought up "swaying the nation", which is reflected in the popular vote.

Either way you look at it, the win will forever have an asterisk beside it.

Oh trust me I'm aware of the *, but in the end it's Pres Bush and not Pres Gore.

Thing that irks me about ya'll, is you see Florida but you fail to remember all the fraud claims the other way that year.

I hate the system we use, but if you think it's only the republicans cheating it then you might want to consider abstaining from any political discussions and or votes.

I'll see if I can find the claims alluding to the democrats loading up illegal non speaking aliens and bussing them to voting polls. Or the folks that voted after dying years earlier ;P

One of the reasons I switched away from the Democratic party after 2000 was the tendecy to blame others for their failures rather than to own up and repair their party.

Party of victims indeed, fix it and come up good policies other than "not Bush and errrr Spend and lower taxes".

I don't see a reason to make it a partisan issue. If you vote for McCain this year, you'll be voting farther to the left than I intend to. Tossing labels like that will just come back to bite you in the ass.

I don't think there's even the slightest question that there's widespread corruption in the voting system, on both sides. Then, and probably even worse now.

However, pointing to other alleged fraud isn't a good argument for protecting known fraud. The only way you could back what happened in Florida is if you're happy that fraud won out and the error wasn't allowed to be corrected. If you drop the partisan bullshit and consider what you're supporting, I just don't see how you can do it.