I have been looking for, but unable to find, a list of the Ayonae Ro folks that need looking out for (Such as The Tribunal has: POMS (http://p073.ezboard.com/fthetribunaldotorgfrm12.showMessage?topicID=2038.t opic) ) ... so I thought I would start a list with a few names I can recall:

Magicdress: Constant trains and absolutely ignorant pulling (he/she even "tagged along" - uninvited mind you - when we hit Hivequeen in WoS). Anytime they are mentioned in /gu it is nothing but us laughing at how foolish they are.

...honestly that is the only name that pops to mind, since I normally just /ignore or go on about my day. So, if you have any other names and reasons in mind, feel free to post it and I will try and do what they did on the POMS board.

Would just be nice to give them names to look out for as well :devil

We've avoided these for the most part because the majority of the people you'd want to list on it would only be encouraged by their "fame". The Bohbos and Buyzas of the server, if you will.

True Sanchek, and I may delete this, but I am not here to start on the people that scam, more so on the people that really do not play well and will only hurt the groups. The people that get caught in the half-ass scams listed there deserve it if they get hit with something major - we should all know better or be able to catch ourselves before doing something that foolish.

I just want to warn about trains and horrid players. If the flames get too stupid and non-constructive, please feel free to delete this - sure won't make me unhappy, as you know from one of my former threads.

Bohbo had alot of faults, but he could pull stuff like i've never seen though...

Bohbo was awesome, as long as you weren't a fag!

Hehe, the most we'll do is move it to the NAG, then Sandbox if it get's really, really bad. (Only porn, illegal stuff, intent to murder people and the like will be deleted) I'd also like to take the time to say that if you post something criminal, I am required by federal law to report it.

but if you don't keep a poms list, then you don't get to watch these people pay for name change, ebaying characters and server transfers trying to escape thier rep.

If you told some of these people they'd get their name on a list for training someone, it's the first thing they'd do as soon as they logged on.

Don't feed the trolls (or trainers).

There is a reason Ayonae doesn't bother with a POMS list.
See, around here, there were SO MANY SCAMMERS after the initial merge, Everyone here got jaded about it. Instead, we make fun of people who actually fall victim to the scams. The Trib poms list is what, 20 people long? I think we had 20 people alone stealing ACCOUNTS from anyone stupid enough to give their info to a guildmember they didn't know in real life, or had seen other people give their account info to and not get scammed, or give account info IN GAME to anyone. The trade scammers and other scammers became just so much white noise here.

Buzya and bohbo don't qualify even by their own poms standards. Buzya is just a condescending ass who, so far as I can see, is still an upstanding honorable ebay-type merchant . I've seen people give him shit, but never about getting accounts scammed by him. He just operates openly in an area most find distasteful. It's like charging a porn king with organized crime (just watched people vs larry flynt). On the other hand, doing what he does, I'm sure tons of scammed items, but not accounts, end up getting laundered through his bots. They gotta go through someone, might as well be him.

Bohbo falls under their "ks dispute" asshat category, which, while worthy of many nag posts, doesn't qualify him as a POMS. Yes, he was an intentional trainer in what he feels is retaliation, and his threshold for what constituted retaliation was admittedly low, but, so far as I could tell, he didn't pull the "train you out of your camp to get yer mob". He'd just go steal yer mob before you got to it. Or train his pull through your camp and claim you KS'd it when it stopped to say hi, and then intentionaly train you in retaliation. Annoying as all hell, but unfortunately well within the low standards of decency we've come to expect in ayonae. It's easy to pull singles when you have another guild taking care of the adds.

Also, as I recall, most of the crap we gave him wasn't about snagging the mobs as was wondering what the hell he was doing bottom feeding in BoT in the first place. That and he was one of the main pullers for Invictus Maneo, which was one of our top guilds, so he got cut a lot of slack (you know, who's gonna intentionally piss off an important cog in an uberguild you might want to apply for some day).

Most respect on ayonae has come from being successfully willing to waste the hell out of the other guys time, and both parties deciding to do something else instead. Griefers would get successfully griefed back and get sick of the grief game, or successfully lawyered and caught by gms in the act. Not because the gms were that good, but because there were enough people who knew how to work the system correctly to get them "dealt with". Gms had their hands full dealing with GUILD disputes, where the line between right and wrong gets murkey as all hell, so folk got so good at citing previous gm decisions. Actual GRIEF situations became breaths of fresh air, with the griefers clamped down on in most cases. Scammers ran out of victims, and those victims who still fell prey to their scams got laughed at by the rest for being an idiot. People who complained about zone trains were told to get off the fricken train tracks. People who intentionally trained were either trained back or lawyered off the server.

I mean, we got the the combination of all the asshats of CT, Karana, and Sol Ro, and while I can't speak for the other two servers, I definitely remember Sol Ro bringing it's "aggressive pull" culture intact to Ayonae (the, if yer group ain't sitting right next to the mob spawn spot, it's fair game to be pulled, none of this "this camp is xxx areas"). OoW changed that a bit, just through mob difficulty. Heck PoP changed it a bit. The "Honorable" guilds were just the ones who wouldn't intentionally screw you over with no self interest involved. We've had so many guild disputes that when new games came along, so many had burned so many bridges that when their guild died, they really had no choice but to play another game, which, IMHO is why we have so few guilds left in the post time game.

And, like people above said, if we had POMS list, we have enough asshats that some would do what they could to get ON the list. The sick thing is, we're PROUD of surviving on a server of asshats. Must be something akin to being proud of being on a zek server. Guess we're a bunch of fricken masochists.

For any of you who may frequent WoS..(or perhaps not as of late due to the abundance of trains there)... I am given to understand that some of the folks who constantly train there (4-5 of the characters in particular) are the same person. They 4-5 box and do so in order to sell plat on ebay from the loot off of stolen mobs. I am not giving names as I do not know this to be hard fact but what I have heard through a couple guilds... (one of which they were thrown from when the guild leader was spoken to about it). The particular group I am reffering to does not have a strong grasp on english from all appearances, however...they will train over and over ...repeatedly until you get so fed up you finally leave. This is what they do. Just wanted to give a heads up on what the situation *might* be. I hope someone can find a way to put a stop to it.. since when they are in the zone... its not worth even trying for anyone else.

I've had fellow guildmembers plagued by it.. and I am sure you have all heard some of the very same names cursed at in your own guild chat.

~Sedaiylia~
Enchanter of DoA

bohbo was a raging retard, no doubt about it

<3 Bohbo. Awesome monk and great friend. Too bad he doesnt play anymore really. It might of actually added a bit of spice to the game which it seems to have lost nowadays.

Sounds to me like the Magicdress group there Seda... A Japanese speaking toon if I recall correctly, and always did the training.

Perhaps they will get in a train war and drive each other off the server!

It was Magicdress-Inks-Bonecaster and 2 others, a ranger whose name begins with a C. I really couldn't make the name out on the 5th with all the other corpses laying on top of it. They are all played by the same person and he uses some software to change his text from English to Japanese so he understands what people are saying.


They had been in Noble's doing this waiting for a named letting folks get it to around 30% then Training them. When they wiped they would go in and get the kill. I spoke to them about it or attempted to on several occasions.

The guild they were in removed them after they were made aware of what this person was doing.

Yesterday I had a group of DOA members in WOS and saw they kept complaining in /gu about moving 4 seperate times and this guy would follow them. He kept training them when they got a Named or if he pulled to many Mobs for his group to handle.

I asked nicely a few times for him to just stop the madness and suddenly all his toons had an AFK message on. Soooo I logged on my Monk and ran out to where they were to talk to them thinking maybe /tell or hitting R for reply was eluding them. Right before I was able to make it to where they were my Monks invisibility spell fell off. That spell comes off the most inopportune times. Anyway since I was already there and not wanting to Die, because enough DOA people had died I Feigned Death. I began talking to them in /Say, but I think they missed part of the conversation when these Mobs beat the hell out of em. All they said during this time was Why? I said why what? I didn't know why my invis popped or why they were insistant on training people. Like I said though due to them creating corpses (their Own) I think it might have been missed with the battle spam.

Knowing this I graciously waiting until they could run back out to their corpses and then explained that I was there to talk to them about training DOA members, and the rest of the groups in WOS. I asked them to be considerate of others and not to be training people or following them around in the zone.

Magic kept saying they wanted to complarn not sure what a complarn is but they sure wanted it. I said if they wanted to complain to send a /bug report about how unreliable invisibility is.

I also asked that this be the last time I needed to run out and speak directly to them about training our members, since my Monks Invisibilty is so unreliable and I would hate for it to drop on my way to see them again.

The ranger did live and challenged my monk to a Duel to the Death, but changed his mind when he realized I have FD and 20 mobs sitting right outside the door that liked Ranger Meat.

They logged soon after so I guess we will see if my little talk with them helped.

Edited Post to add the 5th name Hihero is close to the spelling.

Snoop
Proud Leader of
Descendants of Anarchy

Laorne it is too bad he does not play anymore.
He did add alot of spice to the game.
He was alway nice every contact I had with him.

The poms list is not for little 2 bit scammers or trainers; it's for the scum of the server.

The people who made the list stopped being able to get groups or join guilds because of it. Alot of them either stopped playing EQ, transferred servers, or created new toons in hopes of never being associated with thier old name.

if you guys have that many of those people... well... it may make for some interesting flames but it's gonna be unpleasant

Bohbo was a skilled EQ player from what I could tell...that's the only reason I could see IvM putting up with him as I'm sure he was a headache for every officer in the guild. The problem is this game was completely about "ME ME ME ME ME" for him. I put him on that level of asshole that uses PnP rules to justify him taking any mob in the game. My specific example is when my group was in the Chardok Observer room and he was duoing with a bot shaman on the bridge. He walked into the Observer room and announced he would be taking the next observer citing PnP rules that there are no camps and we are forced to comply.

The fact that he was a good monk doesn't change the fact that he was a massive asshole to 99.9% of the server.

(edit: quick spelling fix!)

Bohbo was a good monk and a lot of people hated him. There's plenty of people like that, hell I probably was a good example of that as well.

Bohbo was a skilled monk who, as long as 1) you stroked his ego and 2) what you wanted to do coincided with his whims on a given day, could be one of the most helpful guys in the world. However, if you happened to be the pixilated refuse standing in between him and one of his whims on a given day, however, he would not even think once, let alone twice, about, say, deliberately training and wiping (or attempting to wipe) a 72 person raid that happened to be there before him. I always got the impression that Bohbo was, in his own mind, playing a single player PC game, and that the rest of us were just assorted bits of the AI that he could ignore or treat in whatever manner his fancy took him as we weren't real anyway...

Regards,
Nydia

when it really comes down to it... we know you have some poms on your server, and even if you don't keep a list a good portion of the server knows who they are. All we're looking for is a list of asshats to avoid.

But, but....

We were hoping to send em your way so they would quit apping to us :(

I seriously doubt any of the people on our server at present would qualify for your poms list. i really don't have that many bad experiences with people in general, maybe we're just a pussified server, or maybe i've just been lucky, but there's no way we could form a list such as the one you have. A good tactic that SoT (i think) used to employ is to ask the officers of the previous guilds, the reason that they had left.

Personally i, and a few other people i've talked to, was a little bit miffed as to the amount of people that qualify for this list on your server. That extreme behaviour is foreign to us except for in a select few cases. (which is the main reason that you don't see a steady list being procured at present).

for the record many of Bohbo's problems were when Noarbo was playing

Right. And my little brother is the one that scammed you in EC and made all those posts on the message board. Really!

Also, the dog ate my homework.

Grumblin, the vast majority of people on that list stopped playing 2+ years ago.. tribunal doesn't really have any major problem-people now, thankfully.

Sanchek, seriously, Noar played Bohbo exclusively if it wasn't raid time. Noar was making rent off plat and what not and used Bohbo as a tank in SRT. Not that its a big deal what people think of Bohbo, while no saint, he got blamed for stuff he didnt do.

Despite Maniacles somewhat maniacle feeling about this server, I have often thought that Ay Ro was one of the better servers in terms of a) Guilds getting along and b) general lack of highly visibly asshats ( can I say that in General? )

Not to say there haven't been flame fests and contentions through the years, but when I looked around at other servers message boards, the level of just out right griefing here has been fairly minimal.

I've been gone from EQ for over a year, but I can't really think of anyone that would fit in the POMS list without going back at least 3 to 4 years, even Bohbo. ( But for those defending Bohbo, let us not forget that when he quit IvM and EW turned down his app outright, IvM did deny him re-admittance, at least at first. So, not all IvM'ers were amused by his antics ).

Fil

With the reduced population after WoW and EQ2 came out, you just don't see as many asshats as you used to on ARo. Most of the more famous ones left the game to go trash the poor bastards in other games.

Sanchek, seriously, Noar played Bohbo exclusively if it wasn't raid time. Noar was making rent off plat and what not and used Bohbo as a tank in SRT. Not that its a big deal what people think of Bohbo, while no saint, he got blamed for stuff he didnt do.
Let an asshat use your account, and you're an asshat.

In all my time playing on AyRo the only one that sticks out in my mind as an "asshat" was Boromer/Amp. I would hate to run into someone worse.

But speaking of terrorizing in other games, we have one on my EQ2 server. Well had, he's gone now :D SoE just banned about 100 accounts for plat duping, griefing, macro'ing etc. Of course he will probably come back in a new form and a different name which is what people on any list like this will do if they are motivated to wreak havoc. I'm with the others who say that lists like this just stroke their egos and only serve to bolster their idiotic ingame BS.

/ignore asshat_01

I feel honored to be named with such people as Dashmoo, Fandros, Palimax and Sothgar....

http://p073.ezboard.com/fthetribunaldotorgfrm12.showMessageRange?topicID=2 038.topic&start=81&stop=100

Isn't Zilor still a member of Fellowship of Dragons?

*tries to remember when he last whizzed in Zilor's Post Toasties*

And in case it gets deleted...




Talk about people and guilds to stay clear of...
Sothgar and a few other people like Dashmoo from
Final Destiny. Other questionable characters would
be Gandaar from Sors Aeternus. Fandros has some
issues also. I would say the only guild with true people
that you will see come across will be Fellowship of Dragons. I can only think of a small handfull of strange people in that guild.
Landslide is also a good guild. Hopefully the current
guilds on this trashy server will disband and try if they
have any skills to join one that is coming.

Zilor


And there's this too...



DO NOT let this person try to join your guild even
if he/it begs..

It's name is Palimax.

One of the best rogues on Ayro is Shanc, but sometimes
we would let low life Palimax have at him as punishment
in old seb when he was out of hand, but thats a different
story. Just don't ask.


Zilor




I'm still not sure what I did to Zilor.. maybe I deguilded him at some point. It doesn't really matter. See you all on The Tribunal.

With the reduced population after WoW and EQ2 came out, you just don't see as many asshats as you used to on ARo. Most of the more famous ones left the game to go trash the poor bastards in other games
Bingo! People bemoan the decline in server population. My take was "good riddance!"

Bouwou (http://www.rivervalemafia.net/)

Does anyone still have that picture of Zilore and his Star Trek collecter's plates? That shit was awesome. :(

lmao Zilor cracks me up.

I got the picture with his plates. They're pretty.. cool. I also have a modded picture with his head on a Star Trek body showing off his Rogaine.

And in case it gets deleted...

It did..... :rolleyes:

Zilor quit eq, thankfully enough. He logged on another account and talked some shit in /gu the other day, and had it been a toon the officers didn't feel remotely attached to, that character would have been de-guilded. So no, zilor is not a part of FoD, and i think the majority of FoD agrees this is a good thing.

Just wanted to add Grumblin to the 'Pieces of Monkey Shit' list. I thought this guy could be trusted, but he ended up screwing me out of alot of platinum - he is one to look out for when the servers merge.

Izin, are you still on dial-up? :(

I personally only had good experiences with Bohbo, probably because I was never after the same thing as he/noar was. Having him in group chat made raids a lot less boring as I recall, tho he sounded like a shrink sometimes :p

And Grum definitely should be at the top of the AyRo POMS list :(


<3

Ive seen with my own 2 eyes what an ass bohbo could be .

I had a bad rap and couldnt get into a high end raiding guild after CB broke up but not because of training people but because I spoke however I felt and burned a lot of bridges while doing that. I never scammed harrased or trained anyone in the 3 years I played.

I trained so many people, but i was so sneaky.

I actually had ok run ins with Bohbo. The bad ones I had was with Noar Botting him in Tactics and training my group for about 7 hours.

Misha, anyone?

I trained so many people, but i was so sneaky.

Honestly, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who hasn't trained people in the past or sat there hoping they'd wipe to take the kill. Honestly, looking back all the really fun moments in my EQ1 career involved training or some sort of conflict: Klandicar running down Sphere of Transcendance and eating them all alive with Final Destiny watching -- then they turn around and follow us to Vindicator and pull him off of us, Trikki casting Highsun (the song that makes the mobs gate) and getting a CotH so Ali the Elder then proceeded to eat Rest in Peace when we tried a Tuna run, I trained Gorenair on top of a whole shitton of Immortal Mercy during a Gore run, Highsuning Tormax in Kael Drakkal on a VA/XA joint raid ... and I trained all of PoEarth on Talid once but that was mostly for ammusement on both our parts.

It happens, its part of the game, and if everyone played nice all the time it'd be pretty boring. I used to get so pissed off at SoT for "cock-blocking" and training in Ssra, but who'd have guessed the day RIP finally bested Emp we turned around and did the same thing. I missed the "glory days" of training in NToV but I can only imagine how sweet those battles were :)

I trained so many people, but i was so sneaky.

Surprised you were able to do that, last I heard you couldn't even survive at your bind point in the plane of knowledge.

:D :D ROFL ROFL


Saman Owned!!!!!!! <3

I'm not owned, you're the one still playing EQ.

Yeah noticed that same group of people mentioned earlier that likes to sit in WoS and just tag the named off the other groups newly formed corpses.

"Trikki casting Highsun (the song that makes the mobs gate) and getting a CotH so Ali the Elder then proceeded to eat Rest in Peace when we tried a Tuna run,"

Heh Trikki has the right idea, gonna just go ahead and do that next time I see that group of scum lying around in WoS and I see em take advantage of another group, nothing funner than watching a warrior type mob gate and they stand around going "WTF??" then said mob comes back across the zone carrying 10 or so of his buddies along to enjoy a snack. Go bard Highsunning /grin

Bohbo was awesome, as long as you weren't a fag!


Don't you mean "Bohbo was awesome, as long as you're a fag and are into that kind of thing." ?????

T3, Training Tips from Trikki!

Defending Grumblin: While I, of course, cannot prove or disprove anything that was said about him, I have to say he seems to be one of the most upstanding folks I have ever come accross - not to mention one of the most knowledgable about EQ. So, I doubt he should even remotely be on the POMS...but that is just my 1/50th of a dollar, and you are entitled to post opinions of course.

and while I can't speak for the other two servers, I definitely remember Sol Ro bringing it's "aggressive pull" culture intact to Ayonae (the, if yer group ain't sitting right next to the mob spawn spot, it's fair game to be pulled, none of this "this camp is xxx areas").

Now I quit when luclin came out, but before that, it wasn't that nice. It was more like 'if you aren't fighting it, then it's fair game to be pulled.' I can think of many instances of a guild pulling a mob from a group that was at the mob getting ready to kill it, or right through an unprepared force that was right at the mob, so you could kill it. Velious turned everyone into assholes, heh.

I'm still not sure what I did to Zilor.. maybe I deguilded him at some point. It doesn't really matter. See you all on The Tribunal.To be honest, I've never known why Zilor has it in for me either - or, frankly, if he ever did - or if it's just the least understandable sense of humor ever :(

...and yeah, the plates crack me up every time.

Heh, I was thinking group dynamics, but guild dynamics, yeah, two guilds would leapfrog each other from kill to kill to kill, no matter who was doing the clearing. "oh thanks for clearing to the named, we'll snag it now, kkthx" was the order of the day in NTOV.

Heh, I was thinking group dynamics, but guild dynamics, yeah, two guilds would leapfrog each other from kill to kill to kill, no matter who was doing the clearing. "oh thanks for clearing to the named, we'll snag it now, kkthx" was the order of the day in NTOV.

Man I miss the good old days

Man I miss the good old days

Here here! Honestly PoP really took a lot of the fun out of raiding. It was nice to know that you were better than XX and to prove it right in front of them :) It also made you that much more determined to try harder next time when another guild did the reverse right in front of you.

I mean, when XA and VS teamed up for Tormax in order to beat RIP to the kill that had lameness written all over it (and the NAG boards) but a few months PoP forced enemies to work together to backflag each other and all that pansy shit -- and no one seemed to notice/mind/care.

Miegre, the stuff on Grumblin were more than likely jokes.........

Is this the true nature of humans? Training, scamming, cockblocking, exploiting, accusing, petitioning, reporting, insulting others? Having fun when others fail and die, having more fun in making others fail than accomplishing some success themselves?

I am pretty sure thats the case. No wonder why WoW PvP has such a popularity :)

Lani

Is this the true nature of humans? Training, scamming, cockblocking, exploiting, accusing, petitioning, reporting, insulting others? Having fun when others fail and die, having more fun in making others fail than accomplishing some success themselves?

I am pretty sure thats the case. No wonder why WoW PvP has such a popularity :)

Lani

In other words..you mean winning the game right?

Well I wouldn't go so far to say that is the nature of humans. This is a video game, and like most video games encourages competition. Since you never actually harm the opposition its far easier to resort to "dirty tactics". No matter how you look at it, in Everquest you are competing against the other players on your server. Sometimes its large scale, like showing up for a raid simultaneously and hoping to be the first to pull the mob and win. Other times its smaller, like trying to accomplish goals and events (say killing Rathe council) to be able to stand yourselves up against your competition. And other times yet its as small as the LDoN leaderboard or getting 5 more HP to place yourself a little higher on playerankings. OR its just, hey lets pull that mob before that other group does. In a multiplayer setting competition is impossible to avoid, and without it -- the game isn't nearly as interesting.

"Training, scamming, cockblocking, exploiting, accusing, petitioning, reporting, insulting others" however, does seem to capture one side of the human race. Theres a compassionate and helpful side too, but the former shows up on TV a lot more.

"Training, scamming, cockblocking, exploiting, accusing, petitioning, reporting, insulting others" however, does seem to capture one side of the human race. Theres a compassionate and helpful side too, but the former shows up on TV a lot more.

Boy isn't that the truth!

I met a shit-load more cool peeps than a-holes.... I could type a laundry list of people I respected and enjoyed grinding exp with.... Of course this was overshadowed my addiction to see little yellow bars move up or numbers climb.... but that is another thread.

that's because you don't remember the nice person who helped you get that last epic piece to complete some quest you spent months doing but you'll remember the piece of shit, dickweed fucktard who trained you with a metric fuckton* of mobs and sent you tells saying how much of a bitch you were for petitioning him.

*thanks talbayne for that description, lol :p

Miegre, the stuff on Grumblin were more than likely jokes.........

Hehehe, yep it was :o