Is it me or is this becoming the equivalent of the Bush administration response to Katrina.

Hell I don't know what it is they're trying to accomplish. I said it at the start of this lil Bailout mess that they were jumping too quick to throw money without knowing wth they needed to do with the money. It looks like that's still the case.

If you look at it in terms of them helping us, they seem incompetent.

If you look at it in terms of them helping out their buddies in the financial industry, what they've been doing makes plenty of sense.

The mind reels at such willful, flagrant corruption and wants to construct some alternate theory of incompetence to lessen the blow, but Occam's Razor should not be ignored.

Sure is beginning to stink up there in DC....

Change <TM> or more of the same?

Change <TM> or more of the same?

If only McCain had won. He could have staged a coup to take the White House immediately (like a Maverick!) and fired Paulson.

Damn that Obama for not doing that. See, we told you he was a Socialist Muslim!

Both parties are wrapped up in corruption and the stink of monies flowing from buddies and vice versa Sixee. Nothing's going to change in that regard I'm afraid.

If you look at it in terms of them helping us, they seem incompetent.

If you look at it in terms of them helping out their buddies in the financial industry, what they've been doing makes plenty of sense.

The mind reels at such willful, flagrant corruption and wants to construct some alternate theory of incompetence to lessen the blow, but Occam's Razor should not be ignored.


I can't see it any other way than it's a flagrant display of corruption basically giving us the finger as they do whatever they want.

I'm curious if the bulk of the armed forces would side with the population in the event of a revolution? Any thoughts or desires to be accused of sedition like me?

I can't see it any other way than it's a flagrant display of corruption basically giving us the finger as they do whatever they want.

I'm curious if the bulk of the armed forces would side with the population in the event of a revolution? Any thoughts or desires to be accused of sedition like me?

No

I can't see it any other way than it's a flagrant display of corruption basically giving us the finger as they do whatever they want.

I'm curious if the bulk of the armed forces would side with the population in the event of a revolution? Any thoughts or desires to be accused of sedition like me?

You'd have to convince them (along with the general public) that these crooks are actually crooks.

Adding to that general line of thinking, I wouldn't be surprised if a schism in the ranks was definitely possible. It's hard to grasp that possibility today, but there are many historical examples of standing armies becoming trouble (depending on how you look at it) during times of severe hardship.

We didn't have this gigantic, worldwide standing army in the 30s. There's no precedent for most of the scenarios we're looking at over the next few years. What we think we know, we don't really know.

Well I think convincing shouldn't be too hard, it's getting to be overtly apparent. I think in past history it shows in most revolutions the military or at least the bulk of it sides with the general populace. It even did in the Soviet Union with Yeltsin.

I think anyone pushing such an agenda would find his counterpart as equally as rabid serving in the military who would feel just in planting a smidgen of iron in said conspirator's noggin.

I would think that would be true of many areas as there are those that support the current agenda and those that don't. I guess what I'm wondering is as things tank and get worse and as these military people start to see their families losing, their parents, their brothers and sisters, will they decide enough is enough and then refuse to things like fire on civilians? Will they refuse to be the line of protection for those who have damaged the country?

It would have to be someone of sufficient rank, that had no fear of any recourse from those in power should said coup fail.

My guess is you won't find too many willing to go against the "lawful orders of the officers appointed over" them.

I'm not talking about a coup, I'm talking about civil unrest situation. A coup would be something instituted by the military and I don't think that is what anyone wants.

My curiosity stems from our population feeling powerless and having a "nothing to lose" attitude which I do believe we are rapidly approaching.

Basically we are watching a bunch of people, bankers etc, who are acting all worried that they could lose half of their money which would basically mean instead of having 2 billion they'll have 1 billion.

How many here could sustain themselves on half of their pay? Now answer that if inflation starts and then add in rising interest rates.

A recession and inflation at the same time? And a flat tire!!!! A tornado strikes!!! Weevils in your corn meal and Uncle Bob hitting the mash hard!!

Nope still not seeing it, we're a long way off such seditious behavior.

Seditious? The funniest thing is I think other than the British using the term Sedition during the American Revolution when they charged and executed patriots. I don't really think it was a very active word in our vocabulary until the Patriot Act.

There was of course an act signed into law by John Adams but it was found to be unconstitutional and then you could throw in the 1918 wilson thing but that got repealed in 1920. So sedition or charging me with it....well...thats just not an option for ya...gosh darn you betcha!
No, what I'm saying is we are watching a bunch of people, that even if they lose 80% of their worth are still exceptionally wealthy.

The decisions they make do not take the affect that it will have on the average person into account nor do they give a shit.

A recession and inflation at the same time? And a flat tire!!!! A tornado strikes!!! Weevils in your corn meal and Uncle Bob hitting the mash hard!!

Nope still not seeing it, we're a long way off such seditious behavior.

I suppose that's the sort of thing people were saying in Rome and Berlin, during those same circumstances that led to dictatorships too. It can never happen here!

Rover you really should read Orson Scott Card's "Empire". I think you'd like it.

However to answer your question I swore to uphold my constitution and ot protect it from all enemies foreign and domestic.

Rover you really should read Orson Scott Card's "Empire". I think you'd like it.

However to answer your question I swore to uphold my constitution and ot protect it from all enemies foreign and domestic.

I am in full agreement with you on the protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, I too took that same oath and to this day hold it very close. I do however see members of our government who not only ignore the constitution but outright abuse it and the very people it was written to protect.

If this hypothetical situation was to take place would in fact the military side with the "government" that is so obviously destroying the fabric of our nation or would they become the line of defense of the populace who are being abused?

Remember the government, the president and congress are not the constitution, they violate it far more often and far more seriously than the average citizen does.

My guess is you won't find too many willing to go against the "lawful orders of the officers appointed over" them.

I think the Vietnam war may provide you a few examples otherwise.

I think the Vietnam war may provide you a few examples otherwise.

Yeah this is true, there were whole units in Vietnam that refused to execute orders.

I find it interesting that with so many losing jobs, facing foreclosures, having wages cut, etc., that there is still such a dramatic increase in people shelling out $1k for assault rifles prior to the change in leadership come January. :cool:

Actually, the increase in gun sales across the board, as well as ammunition, has been getting some attention on the news lately.


"Damn it Maw, just mix some ketchup and water and heat it up; tell the kids it's tomato soup. I need that money for muh new AR15."

I was checking out a couple of new 20 gauge's yesterday also.... there were 10 people next to me .... I believe this .