http://www.koaradio.com/cc-common/mlib/668/03/668_1204844000.JPG

Rashid Khalidi, PLO sympathizer and Palestinian group press agent, suspected fundraiser for Palestinian terror groups, Obama's friend and fellow board member with Obama

Frank Marshal Davis, Obama's treasured mentor, member of Communist Party USA, sought to overthrow US government by force

Tony Rezko, Obama's criminal business partner and pal, indicted for a variety of crimes

William Ayers, friend of Obama and fellow board member, admitted and unrepentant terrorist

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's very close friend and advisor, pastor of Obama's infamous racist church, Jew hater

Michelle Obama, Obama's speech-pattern-switching wife and closest advisor, says the only reason to be proud of America is her husband, says Americans should not work for capitalist corporations

http://www.koaradio.com/cc-common/mlib/668/03/668_1205972666.gif

/shrug if we can survive 8 years of outright fascists. 4 years under a socialist will seem like a party.

How ridiculous... I laugh at this thread :)


I love how the picture of Tony Rezko, shows him with Bill and Hillary!!! lol

Osi, the fact you bring up racism is like me bringing up obesity.

Do we really need to list Bush Supporters? and subsequently McCain supporters?

How about Tancredo supporters...teh largest KKK group in central florida supports him and also made a large cmpaign contribution.

Subsequently, it cracks me up NeoCon scum brings up his middle name every chance they can.

You bring up Jew haters Osi, but MCcain has Hagee on his side who is a catholic hater...whats the difference?

You bring up Jew haters Osi, but MCcain has Hagee on his side who is a catholic hater...whats the difference?

I agree about McCain. I have no intentions of voting for a Liberal.

The one positive I am seeing in the drawn out Democrat primaries is that Barry Obama is receiving more scrutiny, finally. He really is not that different from the other two options, when all the veneer is removed. They are all aloof, arrogant, and too full of themselves (redundancy for the win).

Every and any candidate for the leadership of this nation needs to be investigated so thoroughly that we know more than we ever wanted to about them.

Maybe, just maybe, it can help prevent more of the shit we have put up with this last generation.

Our govt is in shambles and we want to vote in this so called agent of change. /chuckle

Reap what you sew, we have enough traitors in our midst who want nothing more than to see the ME get a free pass do we really need to invoke sharia law?

Obama is a fraud, I really wanted him to be more...honest I did due to my utter dislike of Clinton.

Obama isn't change, obama is about giving up...

Obama isnt about giving up, as per for the last 5 elections its the lesser of the evils.

The GOP has fucked up the country for a little while now, the democrats moved in to congress and things havent got much better (though hard to pass law with a newly veto happy president).

People are voting for change. In the most simple form, they are voting for the other party. I personally more centric but liberal for the most part and more centric people are leaning away from the GOP because of the last 8 years.

As far as McCain being liberal in Osi's eyes, after Bush is out of office ultraconservatists, neocons whatever you want to call them are not going to be popular for a while.

Lastly, this primary needs to end sooner than later, the shit they keep digging up about each other is just more ammo for McCain camp to bring back up once its 1 on 1.

You bring up Jew haters Osi, but MCcain has Hagee on his side who is a catholic hater...whats the difference?
Hagee has also said that the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves.

Amusingly, this thread contains about as much thought as Osg has ever presented here. If he ever analyzed his favorite conservative's ties with as much diligence, his head would explode. Hilarious.

Rural white America.. Obama doesn't like you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNJAl8a3d9Q

Rural white America.. Obama doesn't like you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNJAl8a3d9Q

You forgot gun toting religious people.

Oh, you're right. I figured that was synonymous with us white crackers.

I'm no huge Obama fan, but come on:

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/astine/misc/untitled-3.jpg

Again, I'm not a huge Obama fan, but you should find something more concrete than junk floating around in email forwards.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

If you honestly think these things are the meat of the issues facing us, I've got news for you.

lol Hillary is such trash.

This is it for her. She got desperate and overplayed her hand.

Obama has been HAMMERING her the last couple days. (Annie Oakley? wtfpwned). She is pretty fucked on this. It hurts that she comes off a bit disingenuous to begin with. I think people want to see Obama put her away now. The long knives are out and the Clintons are pretty much done.

Gonna go out on a limb here, but I dont see her making it to Indiana.. and if so, not much longer after that.

Looking at the potential presidents come November, everyone is screwed for the next four years following the election. Hopefully, the country will not be in too severe a decline come the next election cycle, and a recovery may be forthcoming yet from the next batch of candidates.

If we just put it on cruise control for four more years, why should we expect the next batch of candidates to be any better? This "pay attention once every four years" mentality is a huge part of the reason that we keep getting false choices between candidates that are more similar than different.

I'm far more optimistic than the two of you. I think at least all of our candidates are all about addressing some of the problems at home (health insurance, education, and building a workforce in a global economy) than they are interested in meddling in overseas affairs more than our last 8 years.

Sure, McCain is a bit more war hungry than the rest, but even then you have to hope that he's the more moderate of the candidates his party put forward and will be the most receptive to some positive domestic agendas.

I do hold out hope that whoever gets it will do some good, but the facts are stacked against that happening.

Blowing smoke up our asses about something like universal health care is meaningless to me, when refusing to address the fundamental monetary and economic policies that cause people not to be able to afford health care. A box of band-aids isn't going to fix this, if no one's got the gumption to stitch up the underlying wounds.

It's the inflation tax that has destroyed our buying power, more than anything else. Adding a health care tax on top of that doesn't improve our situation at all.

If we just put it on cruise control for four more years, why should we expect the next batch of candidates to be any better? This "pay attention once every four years" mentality is a huge part of the reason that we keep getting false choices between candidates that are more similar than different.

Unless I am mistaken, the next election cycle would be two years. You make too many assumptions.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/astine/misc/untitled-3.jpg


From what I remember, lets say going back over 40 years, we place our hands on our heart when saying the pledge of allegiance not when the national anthem is played...this photo is during the playing of the national anthem so I will go out on a limb and point out Obama is correct in standing and not placing his hand on his heart.

The whole bullshit thing about his being an elitist is mockingly funny coming from the Clintons and McCain. Like it or not Obama is about the only one who has not pandered, he has been and continues to be the most straight talking of the candidates.

He is absolutely dead on that voters are bitter, sick and tired of being hoodwinked over the past umteenth years. It's not working against him as campaign fodder from the other candidates. He spoke the facts, plain and simple.

He just needs to perform in office and I am most certain he is the one candidate with a real chance at being elected that will actually give a shit and do something for us...we...the people.

I say Obama with Ron Paul in a cabinet position.

Unless I am mistaken, the next election cycle would be two years. You make too many assumptions.
You assumed I was talking about you specifically. If I had to assume, I would actually assume you're the type that votes often and votes well.

The 2006 midterm had the highest turnout for a midterm in something like fifteen years, and still didn't manage to draw even a majority of just the registered voters. I doubt this massive failure of a Democratic Congress they voted in will be likely to encourage increased participation either.

Now, add in the fact that many people just turn out to vote for one candidate, like President or Governor. For the rest of the ballot, you usually have uninformed, party-line votes, or nothing at all.

This is where we've all failed ourselves. By the time someone's on the ballot for Governor, Congress, or President, they've usually long been bought and paid for.

rover that pic circulated at work and i had to explain to everyone. They were all frothing at the mouth about obama being anti american.

I say Obama with Ron Paul in a cabinet position.

I would almost consider this but I'd prefer Ron Paul were the next president.

I apologize for calling Ron Paul a kook.

But don't think I haven't noticed he hasn't officially dropped out of the race!

I apologize for calling Ron Paul a kook.

But don't think I haven't noticed he hasn't officially dropped out of the race!
What prompted that?

Well you and your constant lectures about the pending collapse of our economy of course :)

Nothing is wrong.

Everything is fine

The Economy has never been stronger

The environment will take care of itself

Iraq has just turned a corner

Don't worry about the disappearance of our manufacturing base

Race relations are fine

There really isnt a problem in the Housing market

Iran is a serious threat to our security and has WMD.

http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/image-files/head-in-sand.jpg

why is there a hammer and scythe in that retarded obama gif? how in hell does he qualify as a socialist? do you even know what the word means?

I think most American highschool books depict communism as the opposite of capitalism, with socialism somewhere in the middle. (Just letting you know where he's coming up with this stuff).

why is there a hammer and scythe in that retarded obama gif? how in hell does he qualify as a socialist? do you even know what the word means?


I KNOW I KNOW!! Because an idiot created it!

I apologize for calling Ron Paul a kook.

Ron Paul is the best candidate running. I feel he would do more in 2 years then most of our presidents did in 8 years.

The 2006 midterm had the highest turnout for a midterm in something like fifteen years, and still didn't manage to draw even a majority of just the registered voters. I doubt this massive failure of a Democratic Congress they voted in will be likely to encourage increased participation either.



I am afraid I cannot let this one pass without comment.

What are the failures you are speaking of, and are those failures due to not being able to overturn Dubya's veto-pen because they cannot get Republican support?

Bush has blatantly made it clear he will sign no legislation that does not meet HIS criteria, and the Republicans for the most part are backing his play, and keeping him from being the lame duck that was expected.

While I am pretty much disgusted with Pelosi and Reid, I really don't think it fair to call the Democratic Congress a failure when Bush continues to act like a spoiled child threatening to not let anyone play unless they play his way. I do think that the excitement for politics that Obama has brought to the race might generate enough interest to keep some young voters involved for at least a few years, into the 2010 cycle.

Too bad term limits has been swept out of the public discussions; that would make all these money issues in our politics almost a moot point, and we might actually start seeing more people running to serve rather than to exploit.

/sigh, a wistful moment of fantasy

Congress has the power to take the executive office to task. Yet, they yield it almost willingly.

If the speaker is worthless (as is currently the case), the rest of Congress can take the speaker to task.

Congress pointing to Pelosi as the reason they can't go after Bush/Cheney is a cop out. Pointing to Bush/Cheney as the problem is also a cop out.

The fact is that lobbyists are spending millions of dollars a day in Washington, to influence both Republicans and Democrats equally. When people get elected, go to Washington, and suddenly are happy to settle for the status quo (with token protestation, but no action), then it's time to call a spade a spade.

Cleanest Congress ever Sanchek, that's not possible!

tbh, it's an ill that makes me sick to the core of my being. The very fact that no matter the party the lobbyists are able to purchase your soul bothers me.

The archtype that aspires to Political power in Washington is a twisted being indeed ;(

Speaking of the jackass lobbyists:

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/nation/04/13/0413sunlight.html

There is more transparency in legislation than ever before, Miller said. But he disagrees with putting bills up for all to rewrite.

"I don't think the way you advocate is to put everything online and say, 'All right American people, weigh in on that,' because then what's next?" Miller asked. "Are we going to let the American people decide our defense policy, our trade policy, our immigration policy?"

I'm with Byte on this one. I think Pelosi is bidding her time until after the Nov. elections. put a Dem in the white house and a few more seats on thier side and it's a whole new ballgame.

If you watch this without laughing, you're an actual robot.

http://www.indecision2008.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=166074

God I love that man.

I did spit up some beer when I saw the Gaffe-In play on words.

I thought the entire show was great.

All the cool kids are nuking Iran....haha that show was great.

IMHO best line was "If you dont actually think your better than us. then what the F*** are you thinking?"

Pure Gold!

Here's an email sent to me from Obama (well his campaign, but it's signed by him). I want to draw focus to the last line in the email. I don't think it could be said more succinctly than the last line of it.

Dear Michael,


In the last 24 hours we saw renewed attacks from Senator McCain and Senator Clinton.
The same John McCain who voted to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest few said I was "out of touch" when I spoke about the frustrations that working people in this country are feeling.
Maybe that's to be expected from John McCain. But I was disappointed to hear the exact same talking points from my Democratic colleague, Hillary Clinton. When a candidate who believes lobbyists represent "real people" says that I'm out of touch, that's when you know politics is being played.
But in the last 24 hours we've also heard from people like you.
We asked some of the 1.3 million people who have already donated to this movement for change to share their story and promise to match your first donation to the campaign.
Here are some of the people waiting to match your donation:
Rick from Florida matched a donation of $25, writing:
I am a typical American just like you. I've served in the military, I work hard for a living and I want what's best for my country, not just me. I've seen what's happened over the last years and I am deeply saddened, worried and, yes, even bitter. But I see something in Barack Obama I have never seen in a presidential candidate in my own 45 years and the hope and inspiration I feel right now brings tears even as I write this to you. We don't get many chances like this. I don't have much to give but I give what I can because it's important and I ask that you please consider joining me with a few dollars that, added to the small contributions from millions of people like you and I, can be what it takes to really change things. Thanks in advance!
Eve from Oregon matched a donation of $50, writing:
I'm thrilled that Barack recognizes how frustrated so many of us are by the politics of fear and cynicism we've seen these past seven years! But what really sets him apart is that he's not afraid to speak the truth and say what's not supposed to be spoken - that yes, we can love our country but also be frustrated with it's direction and leadership.
Thank you for making a donation to this amazing...campaign! Yes, we can!
See for yourself what kind of movement this is. Make a matching donation now:
https://donate.barackobama.com/match (http://my.barackobama.com/page/m/f0fd89e22e0aabd8/0uKOTR/VEsE/)
When we started this campaign, we said we were going to do something different.
We said we weren't going to take money from Washington lobbyists and PACs. And the cynics said we would never be able to compete against the status quo.
But what the cynics didn't anticipate was you.
They didn't understand that people like Rick, Eve, and you were tired of a politics that was about tearing each other down instead of lifting this country up.
And they didn't understand that you were going to finance this campaign with contributions of $5, $25 and $50 at a time.
There's nothing elitist about the largest grassroots campaign in the history of our country -- and you can prove that right now.

I will go out on a limb and say the whole "elitist" attack on Obama is starting to seriously backfire on Hillary.

There are alot of pissed off people in PA due to jobs. When I moved here, from the NYC area, back in 1992 there was actually a very solid manufacturing base in this area.

Off the top of my head, this is what is gone, within a 10 mile radius of where I live.

Bell Labs - A huge employer gone I believe close to 2000 jobs gone

Dana Corp - HUGE over 3000 jobs gone they made the frames for GM cars...they now are made in Mexico

Hershey chocolate - Hundreds of jobs gone - now made in Mexico

Ludens Cough Drops - Hundreds of jobs gone.

Birdsboro Corp - Steel Mfg - Approx 1000+ jobs gone

Rockwell International - Over 1000 Jobs gone

Graco - Made baby furniture, car seats etc - moved manufacturing to china - over 500 jobs gone.

Numerous textile mills - Thousands of jobs gone

There are quite a few more that slip my mind but this place is a shell of what it was before.

People are pissed and bitter and Obama is 100% dead on, I have not seen anyone here who has disagreed with his statement.

I suspect there are going to be some surprises when Obama starts working his administration.

He's like a stem cell. He can do anything and he can cure anything. He's whatever you want him to be.

I suspect there are going to be some surprises when Obama starts working his administration.

He's like a stem cell. He can do anything and he can cure anything. He's whatever you want him to be.


I think if the least he does is undo the many fuckups of Bush/Cheney along with hopefully investigating the many shafts that they put to people like you and me then we'll be a bit more ok. But if by chance he actually does 10% of what he speaks of then we'll be very ok....he's all we have, McCain might be a nice guy but he's as full of shit or maybe more so than Clinton.

Obama reports income of $4.2 million in 2007 tax returns
By BETH FOUHY
Associated Press Writer


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PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Democratic Sen. Barack Obama reported $4.2 million in income in 2007. The presidential candidate released his tax returns on Wednesday.


He said his adjusted gross income was around $4.2 million, with $4 million coming from the profits on his two books - "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope."



His Senate salary is $260,735.
Obama paid federal taxes of $1.4 million. Charitable contributions were $240,370.


The campaign released the returns just hours before a candidate debate.



http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_TAXES?SITE=KYB66&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

So if you take away the 4 million he made from his books... and subtract the 240k he donated to charity... Obama was a US senator for only 20k last year. Wow, what an elitist!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/obamaflagpinlap.html

http://www.850koa.com/cc-common/mlib/668/04/668_1207974211.jpg

Where's McCain's on the front of his campaign site?

http://www.johnmccain.com/

I thought this was funniest of all of it though:

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/obamaflagpinlap.html

http://www.850koa.com/cc-common/mlib/668/04/668_1207974211.jpg

I can post pictures too! Want to be substanceless post buddies?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/sspillow/p001-1.jpg

Yes I want a post buddy. My turn my turn!!!

http://home.att.net/~phildragoo/wsb/media/240742/site1119.JPG

I never thought about it this way before this thread, but it might actually be worth voting for Obama just to watch all the really racist people implode and have conniption fits.

yay! our biweekly racist ignorant bastrad post. I was getting concerned i almost hoped people had mobed beyond that.

Cool a picture thread... I photographed this for a clients website.

http://www.vanreedtrading.com/photos/tbnstrat2.jpg

Can I join?

so you take part of his name and use it against him....omg Osi has 666 in his name, he bares the mark fo the beast! ban him!

The more and more he posts, the more and more it's obvious that Osi is nothing but an ignorant, racist asshole.

Anyone watch the debate? Listening to the news on the radio this morning they made it sound as if Obama looked really off last night.

They both were off last night. I only caught a few minutes, but it looked like they were embarrassed to have to be there or something...

I didn't watch much, my wife commandeered the TV for American Idol. What I caught was the moderator dragging up people Obama associated with, and then Clinton saying we should investigate those over and over, and Obama trying to point out it was him they were discussing, not his associates. Clinton seemed to think we should spend more time investigating lies around Obama and his former pastor, but sure didn't want to talk much about her associates or lies - including the Bosnia trip.

Can I vote solely on the premise that I don't mind listening to Obama speak, but Clinton's voice and speech grates on my nerves? I'm not sure I want to listen to her for four years.

I for one think it's just great that we are worried about flag pins and other extremely important things, thank God ABC isn't going for the ratings grabbing fodder with issues like the economy, the Iraq fuck up, and other less important issues.

We should all vote for the one with the biggest flag on their lapel....thats the American way.

Funny how these posters on ABC (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/comments?type=story&id=4666956)just don't get whats important.

Anyone watch the debate? Listening to the news on the radio this morning they made it sound as if Obama looked really off last night.

I wish I had gotten the chance too. I've watched several of the debates up to this point, but I was out with my boss last night. When I got home, I watched Law and Order with the wife. Normally, I am in my computer room and have the debate on so I can listen to it. I won't make my wife watch the debate with me, as she would have just fallen asleep anyhow.

I wish I had gotten the chance too. I've watched several of the debates up to this point, but I was out with my boss last night. When I got home, I watched Law and Order with the wife. Normally, I am in my computer room and have the debate on so I can listen to it. I won't make my wife watch the debate with me, as she would have just fallen asleep anyhow.

Explains why I couldn't contact you on EQ last night ;P

Just wanted to talk, or you did you need something?

PM sent.

Can I vote solely on the premise that I don't mind listening to Obama speak, but Clinton's voice and speech grates on my nerves? I'm not sure I want to listen to her for four years.

Would that be the case, James Earl Jones would be my candidate! :cool:

Would that be the case, James Earl Jones would be my candidate! :cool:


Oooooooh....someone has a man crush!

If God had a voice, it would be James Earl Jones' voice.

If God had a voice, it would be James Earl Jones' voice.

I was thinking more like Alanis Morrisette like in Dogma.

what is it?!

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n297/cybern00b_221/machinecodetrap.jpg

I was thinking more like Alanis Morrisette like in Dogma.

Yes, she did do a great job with her dialog in that movie. :rolleyes:

http://trashpile.net/upload/white%20whale.png

Yes, she did do a great job with her dialog in that movie. :rolleyes:

;)

I'm trying to recall what she "sounded" like, but my mind seems to have replaced that with Treebeard's yell following the "Many of these trees were my friends..." lines.

To be honest though, I am going to miss President Bush :( . Some of the best laughs I ever had came from Bushisms!

"You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb.


"Too many good doctors are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."


He should really consider a career in comedy!

LOL

You have to watch a stupid ad, but good one:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid988327350?bclid=1037705321&bctid=1509297894

That was awesome.

I'm convinced. Celine Dion, my vote belongs to you!

YouTube is going to get alot of business this year...

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I for one think it's just great that we are worried about flag pins and other extremely important things, thank God ABC isn't going for the ratings grabbing fodder with issues like the economy, the Iraq fuck up, and other less important issues.This is how I've felt after the last couple of elections. Sure we're at war, and the economy wasn't looking to great, gas was already skyrocketing, and we're losing face with the rest of the world - but at least them gays ain't gettin' married! Yee haw!

Some good stuff on there

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Oh yea... this one goes with it as well.. and more recent.

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Moore endorses 'exceptional' Obama
Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:12:01
http://www.presstv.com/photo/20080421/bahar20080421224505500.jpg Michael Moore
Renowned US Film-maker Michael Moore has endorsed Barack Obama, decrying the 'downright disgusting' campaign tactics of Hillary Clinton.

Moore wrote on his website on Monday that he intended to be neutral in the Democratic campaign but following last week's debate in Philadelphia when Obama was questioned about his pastor, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, he could no longer keep silent.

Moore said he was disgusted when Clinton followed up on the moderators' line of questioning to Obama by mentioning Wright's contacts with the Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan.

"I've watched Senator Clinton and her husband play this game of appealing to the worst side of white people, but last Wednesday, when she hurled the name "Farrakhan" out of nowhere, well that's when the silly season came to an early end for me.�

The Oscar-winning writer and director who had excoriated Clinton for her 2002 vote in support of the Iraq war, now accused the New York senator of "stoking the fears of white America" against the mixed-race Obama.

He goes on using an even stronger tone against Clinton.

"Yes, Senator Clinton, that's how you sounded. Like you were nuts. Like you were a bigot stoking the fires of stupidity."

The director of "Sicko" and "Fahrenheit 9/11" said he was endorsing the movement for change represented by the "exceptional" Obama, in order to end the war in Iraq and to hold corporate America to account.

And Moore said the Democrats could yet lose to Republican John McCain in November.

"We know there are still many Americans who will never vote for a black man. Hillary knows it, too. She's counting on it."

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=52589&sectionid=3510203

And Moore said the Democrats could yet lose to Republican John McCain in November.

With his endorsement...seems likely. :)

I think he has been pretty much vindicated at this point..

Please put Michael Moore in your convention... center stage.

Please put Michael Moore in your convention... center stage.

Yea, that is exactly what he said Akipt... Once again, in the words of Will Farrel... That's mind bottling

- Ah you edited it out =x

Guy's the Boss has spoken! it's over!

Many mainstream Dems fear linking their names to Mr Imaginary Moore.

While he has some points, he has been proven to fabricate to prove an opinion.

Last thing any real serious politician should want is endorsement from Hollyweird.

he has been proven to fabricate to prove an opinion.

What has Moore fabricated? I hear that, but no one ever shows proof as far as I know, just curious not trying to start a blowout.

What has Moore fabricated? I hear that, but no one ever shows proof as far as I know, just curious not trying to start a blowout.

I don't know about fabricated, but I do know there was a huge outcry from many that were interviewed and had their words edited to fit Moore's agenda in the Fahrenheit movie.

That's what I was referring to. He stands accused of manipulating the interviews to read as he wanted them to as opposed to how they were given.

Cut and splice, FTW!

Fake but accurate!

Genuine Cubic Zirconia!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&eurl=https://bat-21.com/showthread.php?t=4670


Sorry don't know how to embed it like all you tech savy showoffs do.. I'm a simple dumb country person that stick to my religion and my guns.

It was late... and he was tired... at least it wasn't about sniper fire! :)

It was late... and he was tired... at least it wasn't about sniper fire! :)

heh yep..lol

That was funny. pretty sure he knows there's only 50 states. all of the candidates have to be hitting a level of exhaustion thats hard for most of to comprehend.

I'm guessing your sig is supposed to be ironic?

actually, theres only 46 states, 4 are commonwealths.

http://blogsap.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/nbc_the_more_you_know.jpg

And Obama holds the superdelegate lead now...

How much further is Hillary willing to put her family and herself into debt?

She'll go to the convention, I'm sure of it. She and Bill each can make $20,000 an hour long speech ... she'll get out of debt in no time. Honestly, her looking like the bad guy just makes Obama look like the good guy and keeps him in the press and on TV every day ... not entirely a bad thing for the Democrats.

She'll go to the convention, I'm sure of it.


My money says she is out by May 24, and working to land either a Cabinet position or Reid's job.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

What a beautiful bit of propaganda! I think I'll save that one for my media literacy unit. It'll be a big hit after the election, regardless of who wins.

Already found problems with the video you posted Osgiliath...

1. Obama did not attend a Muslim school or Madrassa in Indonesia as Fox News reported. Cnn went to the school and found that it was a school of many faiths.

2. Obama did not say he refused to wear a flag lapel pin. He said he does not believe that patriotism is shown by the wearing of a pin, and that those that wear them choose to do so to show patriotism they might not otherwise show through their actions. He said that he reserved the right to wear one whenever he wishes, but thought it was ridiculous that it is something that should be expected.

3. It is customary to place your hand on your heart during the pledge of allegiance. It is not commonplace to have your hand on your heart during the national anthem

Are you saying that all the people who are not putting their hands on their hearts in this video are not patriotic?

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4. Wright's words regarding god and life have nothing to do with his words about politics. Obama has the right to think of his pastor as his spiritual advisor and not ascribe to the same beliefs regarding politics.

5. Wright's views on Israel have nothing to do with Obama's views, and even if they did... Wright was dead on.

6.The opinions of the narrator on Obama's policy of speaking with leaders of enemy countries is not a fact... it is an opinion. It would be up to the speaker to show us WHY and HOW it is dangerous to talk to the leaders of enemy countries, and why we have not been able to make headway with our policy of NOT speaking to them.


The rest of that video is just a re release of issue that are in no way related to why we choose our president, and other nonsense that is used to stir up fear in Obama, which is exactly the same fear used to make us hate muslims and other people who are ... Different!

Whatever!

Sorry there is a rule if you use Nazi's in your argument at any time you lose. The kid where the shirt clearly...pro-nazi...so you lose :P

But in all seriousness, that was a GOP equivalent of a Michael Moore slam peice. Many things taken out of context.

The whole hand on heart thing, i find it laughable that people attack him for that and his pastor, then his name ZOMG i didnt know people blushed as "muslim" names. Do people not realize that the common "christian" names people have arent founded by whitey either???, and then the GOP shuns him for saying the K5 situation will be discussed with McCain.

Again Osi, thank you for proving the total ignorance still exists, i need my weekly reminder that my mixed race family members need to live in fear of a redneck with a itchy trigger finger.

I see all that and everything else, and I counter with....

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/mccain%20bush%20hug%20twn.jpg
yay! I win

actually, theres only 46 states, 4 are commonwealths.

http://blogsap.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/nbc_the_more_you_know.jpg

For all legal and intensive purposes there are 50 states Wiggo. kk

how are these purposes intensive, fandros? oh snap!

I am from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

Wiggo and his Euro retro wit. Welcome to the "oh snap" 80's.

Passe' Hungarian one, passe'.

You want to argue semantics fine, my point stands.

What a beautiful bit of propaganda! I think I'll save that one for my media literacy unit. It'll be a big hit after the election, regardless of who wins.Whoever neg rep'ed me on this one - by using it as an example of propaganda it might help educate people against the further use of trash videos like this, and encourage people to think for themselves and not believe everything on the internets. I was only half joking when I said I'd use it in class. It's great example of twisting the truth to sway voters to your side. I am not supporting the dumb thing.

Wiggo and his Euro retro wit. Welcome to the "oh snap" 80's.

Passe' Hungarian one, passe'.

You want to argue semantics fine, my point stands.

i know very well they are states man, im not daft =( was merely making a funny!

Obama's uncle is a great hero..


http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/27/whoa-now-thats-a-gaffe/


Thanks to him thousands at Auschwitz were set free! Free!!! Freee!!!!!!

OHNOZ! He said Aushwitz when he meant Buchenwald...OMFG he is not fit to be president.


I think I like the Rev Wright stuff better, anyone knows that if you're going to smear someone it's better to do it with Blacks than it is with Jews and Soviets.

'Splain to me which uncle this was? The Brother of his Kenyan father? or the brother of his single child mother?

'Splain to me which uncle this was? The Brother of his Kenyan father? or the brother of his single child mother?

If its true will you still have a problem with it?

Does it bother you that Reverend Wright was a soldier and fought for America when you bash him?

Really, who cares what you think about this?

'Splain to me which uncle this was? The Brother of his Kenyan father? or the brother of his single child mother?


I believe it was actually his great uncle, I fuck up all of the time and have been disqualified from being president because I mistakenly call my uncle Ralph "Uncle Ralph" when in reality he's my great uncle.

I believe it would be a relation to his mother as during WWII we as a nation didn't like to admit that blacks were out there fighting just like the white guys were. We even took great pain to kind of "forgot" to mention it in school history books.

Ya know, I gotta say this Os, just come straight out and admit that race matters to you, that you look down on people of a different race than your own. I might have a small amount of respect for you then as having balls even though they are gnat sized.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and translate your post, it might and probably will get me banned...but...well...I just don't give a fuck, to be honest.

'Splain to me which uncle this was? (Os Speak: Was it the upstanding white guy or the niggra?) The Brother of his Kenyan father? (Os Speak: His father was a niggra) or the brother of his single child mother?(Os Speak: Slimy welfare collecting niggra loving whore)


Wala! There...translated!

I see all that and everything else, and I counter with....

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/mccain%20bush%20hug%20twn.jpg
yay! I win


There are just so many captions that come to mind with this photo.

I am reminded of a wedding reception, and the last two uncles who were still able to stand. If anyone has been to any old-school Polish or Irish weddings, you have most likely seen similar sights. ;)

lol

I believe it was actually his great uncle, I fuck up all of the time and have been disqualified from being president because I mistakenly call my uncle Ralph "Uncle Ralph" when in reality he's my great uncle.

I believe it would be a relation to his mother as during WWII we as a nation didn't like to admit that blacks were out there fighting just like the white guys were. We even took great pain to kind of "forgot" to mention it in school history books.

Ya know, I gotta say this Os, just come straight out and admit that race matters to you, that you look down on people of a different race than your own. I might have a small amount of respect for you then as having balls even though they are gnat sized.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and translate your post, it might and probably will get me banned...but...well...I just don't give a fuck, to be honest.




Wala! There...translated!

Sorry race doesn't matter to me one whit. Face it. Obama got caught making shit up.. Just like Hillary and the Snipers... Just like very politician. I find it laughable that you believe every word the great Dali'Bama spews forth.. A true Marxist "useful idiot. Again you ignorance on my views is truly astounding yet not entirely surprising. I have a beef with Obama's stances and views and the company he keeps. Give me a Steele.. Give me a Rice... Give me a Powell and they have my vote. Hell give me a real conservative and they would have my vote. But no.. To you I am Obama's "typical white person". So piss off you simpleton. Surely there is more sand with which you can hide your head in. This country is going to get the government it freaking deserves and you'll have no one to blame but your selfs..

Obama got caught in a typical politician lie.

Shows what we're in store for when he gets office.

Same ole same ole....

change...../snort

A true Marxist "useful idiot.

lol what. you have no idea what the words you are using mean, please stop.

LOL..it's not a "typical" political lie, it's an error in the name of a concentration camp. His uncle was one of the US Army soldiers who liberated Buchenwald. He said Auschwitz and should have said Buchenwald.

You guys are funny as you think this bears any comparison to the Bosnia "sniper" story? Or interpret it as a lie? That's just plain fucking nuts on your part.

So this is how it goes: "My uncle helped liberate Auschwitz" Correction: "It was Buchenwald and he was my Great Uncle" OMG he lied...SEEE...we can't elect him. Now lets get down to real business and bomb Iran, WAR is what we want...what we need...what feeds us. Of course we must ignore the lessons of the past 100 fucking years, especially placing emphasis on ignoring the past five years. WAR WAR WAR WAR ITS GOOD...WE LOVE IT its been such a successful venture for us.


And Os, your full of shit plain and simple, you lack the guts to call yourself what you know you are. Why do you mention race as a negative point ALL the time? Why the emphasis on Obamas father being Kenyan? Whats the difference?

And Os, your full of shit plain and simple, you lack the guts to call yourself what you know you are. Why do you mention race as a negative point ALL the time? Why the emphasis on Obamas father being Kenyan? Whats the difference?

Maybe he had Powerthirst for breakfast?

Where the fuck is the lie?

He said Auschwitz and meant Buchenwald.

What the fuck.. Really?

Wake the fuck up. We are fiddling while Rome is burning. We are the ones so trapped in this petty meaningless bickering that our campaigns for deciding our leaders are falling into such nonsense that I would WELCOME a good old fashioned Praetorian Guard selection. It blows my mind that some of you can so twist your otherwise sound and logical minds in such an extent that triviality trumps all else. And how you can ignore the motherfucking massive problems that are staring at us in the face.
WAKE UP.
I dont give a shit if you vote for Obama, or McCain, or Nadar or the fucking Tooth Fairy. What I DO care about is if we as Americans can for the sake of everything we hold and cherish as a nation, for the blood that was spilled for us, for the ideals that sustain us and for the light that we are for other nations and people oppressed all over the world that we make these decisions on matters of importance.

There are certain facts that need to be faced. George W. Bush's presidency has been an unmitigated disaster. Not just for Republicans or Democrats or Liberals or Conservatives. For almost every American.
This nation is at a critical crossroads. Our future has never been so uncertain and we teeter on the edge of razor. If you don't feel like a Roman felt circa 450 AD, then you are just not paying attention.

Fuck Osgilliath and people like him. He is not interested for one second in finding solutions or doing what is in his mind best for this country. He is interested in using his pseudo ideology like a club to attack and lash out. To try to prove some sort of faux manhood that he has somehow been lacking in his life.
But Fuck even more people like Furtivus, people that know better, that have brains in their head, knowingly and deliberatly spread lies and foster half truths in order to gain some edge in this grand ideological battle they think they are fighting.

And Fuck everyone, D or R, that treats fellow americans like the Enemy (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Liberals+are+the+enemy%22). You are destroying the country you pretend to love so much. I am not your enemy because I have a different opinion than you. I am not a traitor because I dont support a policy opinion than you support. I dont hate the troops, and you arent a warmonger. If we don't start reaching out to one another, there wont be anything left worth fighting about.

We get the leaders we deserve. And I don't care who we elect, McCain, Obama or Hillary. At the end of the day they are going to be the leader we demand them to be. We deserved what we got from Bush. We allowed ourselves to be divided and labeled in to 2 different colored states and 2 different ideological camps. Us V Them.

We can keep squabbling amoungst ourselves. Denying realities because it fits our agendas or attacking for meaningless political gain, or we can understand that movement and direction for this nation can come from all sides and all people.

But some people don't want that.

Fuck them.

What we have together in a nation is cherished gift, and we are treating it like spoiled children
http://www.mikelavella.com/portfolio/wd/Dreamweaver/Media/dday4.jpg

And Os, your full of shit plain and simple, you lack the guts to call yourself what you know you are. Why do you mention race as a negative point ALL the time? Why the emphasis on Obamas father being Kenyan? Whats the difference?

I have no empahsis.. I was simply trying to figure out which uncle this was. Why did you assume I would think it a racial issue? Are you racist?


L2 Excellent post... I agree with 99% of your post. All but the "me" section...... There are HUGE problems with this country and neither Obama, Clinton or McCain are the answer.

There are HUGE problems with this country and neither Obama, Clinton or McCain are the answer.
This might be the first time I've ever agreed with you.

Osi who hacked your account and started being sensible?

If you didnt have that link to that retarded website in your sig i would start to think your a decent human being.

Osi who hacked your account and started being sensible?

If you didnt have that link to that retarded website in your sig i would start to think your a decent human being.

I have a new and Original graphic being made for me.. Hope it's finished soon. Should have the Obamanation just frothing at the mouth..

Should have the Obamanation just frothing at the mouth..

because that is what is important to you. You wrap it up in a flag and pretend its patriotism... You pretend to love your country, but in the end its about lashing out and being able to call someone an enemy, anyone, even your neighbors.

It doesnt matter if its communists, or terrorists, or liberals, or brown people, or black people... its someone to have as an object for your displaced anger.

because that is what is important to you. You wrap it up in a flag and pretend its patriotism... You pretend to love your country, but in the end its about lashing out and being able to call someone an enemy, anyone, even your neighbors.

It doesnt matter if its communists, or terrorists, or liberals, or brown people, or black people... its someone to have as an object for your displaced anger.

Please L2, just stop.... You know not what you speak! young lad you have placed your ample sized foot into you tiny little mouth. I do it purely for the sport!!!! Oh and I don't like white people either..lol

We can keep squabbling amoungst ourselves. Denying realities because it fits our agendas or attacking for meaningless political gain, or we can understand that movement and direction for this nation can come from all sides and all people.

But some people don't want that.

Fuck them.

What we have together in a nation is cherished gift, and we are treating it like spoiled childrenI'd rep you for that if I could. Well said.

I'd +rep him too.. Brought a little tear to my eye.. I think he is saying we need "change".

No. We don't need "change". "Change" is about as meaningless as "the War on Terror" or some other glittering generality.

We need TO Change. All of us.

I like Obama because what he represents is a break from what we have had in the past. Its in some part a symbolic, but to me, critical, symbol of a new direction for this nation. A rejection of the way many things were done before, and a shove in a new direction.

Im so fucking sick and tired of politicians telling us how great we are. We have become content to bask in our past glories and act as if tomorrow is owed to us. Look around, other countries are eating our fucking lunch, and our leaders are pretending its 1955. We are fat and stupid and happy. And tomorrow no longer belongs to us.

I want a leader that will challenge us. I want a leader to kick us in the ass and instead of jerking us off and telling us how wonderful we are, making us live up to the high standard of the past. Looking at what needs fixing and setting goals for us to live up to. This realization started for me when after 9/11 we were told by our leader to "go shopping". GO FUCKING SHOPPING? I look back and I want to scream FUCK YOU!. Im as angry as when I saw the towers come down. I feel the same violation. Goddamn it. Give us something to do, challenge us as a people to demonstate that we, the people living in this day and this time came together as a nation and rose to the call. We as a people were attacked and our government doesnt want or need or help? In that moment we as a people became seperate from our government. It probably happened long before that, but it crystallized in my brain in that moment. The founding principles of our democracy are dying. And we are killing them. We plunge daggers of apathy into them.

Is Obama perfect? Hell no. Is he a one man change machine. Of course not. But I feel he represents the START of a new direction, one greater than any one man, or bigger than any election, but a fundamental change in what it means to be an American. I don't, and nobody else should, believe that its simply "Apply Obama, and watch your problems disappear". Electing Obama is pointless unless we continue our demands and ramp our expectations, not only of our leaders, but of ourselves. The election is a small step, but it is a step. And maybe, just maybe, we can save this wonderful thing we have been given from ourselves.

Or we can talk about lapel pins and go shopping.

Excellent post.. Although I am offended at your use of the "F" word. I share many of the same views, just from a conservative point of view. America on my side of the isle has slipped away from it's true "conservative" roots. With out a going into a long winded diatribe (i.e nydia or l2) let's just say Paul MOST closely represents my political views. Some of my views are more and less then his views, but generally this is a good start. For instance I am in favor or wrapping up this war in Iraq sooner then later please. FOR ME the war was about saddam hussein. The first time I saw he pictures coming out of the Kurdish North all those years ago of dead women and children in the streets he gassed I knew that man must die. We should have done it in Gulf War I, but NOooooo.. Now comes GWII!!! YAY! Finished the job. Saddam dead. I don't give two shits about WMD's or the Iraqi people.. Yes I know this will now elicit frothing from Jedd. That's just my view. Saddam and company dead. Good lets come home. War on Terror now.. Yes we need to fight the enemy there(where ever that may be) and not here. We can accomplish that with political/economic and Spec Ops/CIA style counter measures.. I feel no need for mass deployments unless directly attacked again. Hmm.. You all know my feelings on illegal Immigration.. An absolute drain and burden on the American people. But you people reading this take race out of it. I'd deport the Swedish Bikini Team if I thought they were illegal. I am starting to lose focus as I am a much better debater verbally then with the written word so I will wrap it up with that I agree with you L2. All politicians are fucking(there I speak like you now) crooks. It's just how crooked do you like you guy/girl..lol Oh, and I enjoy digging through people past.. That's why I find Obama such fun. I am sure none of this made any sense.. please -rep me the comments are priceless.

it makes sense and its no hiding your conservative. It just your examples have typically be extreme and ignorant. You are indicating you do it to get a rise out of people, but you come across as a racist bastard. You had a damn sig talking about a vote for obama was a vote for kill whitey....how the hell do you expect people to respect your opnion or even to listen to you??

My view of your imigration view is 10-to-1 says your ancestors illegally imigrated in the same manner and took jobs from the native people, and kill them, and did all the same things your website says (just a 1700's-1800's spin on it) but its ok when your family did it.

Lastly, again 60% of my opinion of you is based on that god damn website that is about a retarded as having a www.blackwatch.com and spouting off about how a black murder someone and a black is burdening welfare and zomg.

I had a long winded post for earlier, but I was at work and I got halfway done and lost track of thought. I tried to resume, but it was just rambling. I'll try to recreate it, and I'm sure some will love it, some will hate it. Oh Well.

I don't think we have the people that will best be able to run our country running right now. None of the three are the perfect candidate. What's perfect for one of us, isn't perfect for the other, so it's relative. Most of us believe I think though, that these aren't our ideal people for one reason or another. For better or worse, these are our three people that if we choose to be part of the process must choose from for all intents and purposes.

What I do know, is the direction of the country right now isn't the proper one. I haven't been happy with the path led by the current administration the last eight years, and in my opinion we have to have drastic change. Not 'change,' but real change. Tangible change. That may not be directly possible because all three candidates are politicians.

I can't support McCain anymore. Even up to four years ago I could, but he's become a lapdog to the current administration. He used to pride himself in his bi-partisanship and his 'straight talk.' This isn't the case anymore. He's been pandering to every part of the party without any real consistency. He's at one point trying to be a moderate and at another point he's trying to appeal to the religious right. He's more likely to get us into more conflicts abroad when we can't afford any more loss of life, money, or further degradation of our military infrastructure.

I don't like Hillary. I don't like the weakness she showed publicly throughout the Lewinsky scandal. She doesn't seem like a strong person, let alone a strong woman to remain as quiet about this as she has for years. I don't think she has the charisma to be a good 'leader.' She (to me) seems more phony than the other two. I don't like the way she twists everything she has said, from supporting the war to saying she never supported the war, the whining to the media about perceived injustices (just making her look weaker in my eye). The leader of our country has to exude confidence and strength and she doesn't. She comes across as desperate and quick to make excuses. A woman will have to work harder in the international community to show strength in negotiations, she's already at a disadvantage in much of the world's eye. That's not fair but it's reality (cultural differences in the world make this so). She has to demonstrate strength, confidence, and charisma to be effective. I feel both other candidates possess this trait much more than she does.

Obama. Well he's a newcomer. To me that's both a positive and a negative. It's a positive because he's had less time to be a 'politician' than the others. It's a negative because he has no real foreign relations experience. I DO think it's more effective to at least try to discuss things with our enemies. I think he's less likely to get us involved in another costly war than the other candidates. I think he's more likely to push for alternative fuel sources than the other candidates. I don't think he's necessarily the best person in the country for the job, but I am confidant in his ability to not fuck up the country any more in the next four years more than the other two candidates.

Terrorism isn't a concern for me. As soon as I dwell on it, the terrorists have defeated me. I don't want to give up my rights to be scared of some extremist. I will not let our government rule me by fear. The way our country is being run right now is far more dangerous to our long term than any terrorist attack.

it makes sense and its no hiding your conservative. It just your examples have typically be extreme and ignorant. You are indicating you do it to get a rise out of people, but you come across as a racist bastard. You had a damn sig talking about a vote for obama was a vote for kill whitey....how the hell do you expect people to respect your opnion or even to listen to you??

My view of your imigration view is 10-to-1 says your ancestors illegally imigrated in the same manner and took jobs from the native people, and kill them, and did all the same things your website says (just a 1700's-1800's spin on it) but its ok when your family did it.

Lastly, again 60% of my opinion of you is based on that god damn website that is about a retarded as having a www.blackwatch.com (http://www.blackwatch.com) and spouting off about how a black murder someone and a black is burdening welfare and zomg.


gah had nice long winded post, but fugg it.. If you think I loathe ilegal immigration becuase of skin tone to dislike Obama because of his skin tone you are a grade A genuine douche nozzle... maybe it's you that is hung up on race. I have said this all to you many times, yet you simply read what you want to read. Doesn't matter anyways you are not real people.. you' re pixels on a screen. My world does not extend past what I can see. Prove to met hat it does...lol please continue

I am coming to the conclusion that I will not be able to make a firm decision on who I will vote for until I see the full ticket of each party, and have had a chance to study the platforms they are running on, and can decide which is the least far away from what I want to see for this country the next four years.

Every thing else is just fun arguing, although L2 as usual encapsulates everything in such a nice manner.

And for the record, Os, I never figured race to be an issue with you. But I do figure you like to fish with a trolling motor, and some bait floating behind the boat on a nice treble hook. :cool:

http://www.ritzcamera.com/graphics/products/4-89/477664189.jpg
http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/Stop%20Trolling.gif

I'm over the skin tone issue. I just feel you support a group that promotes racism. While you may not yourself, i just disagree with the methods to which that group goes about "fixing" things

Also, i feel it's hypocritical, as i posted above.

But keep your little "higher ground disassociation" stance its ok.

Also, Border The Movie, i would be interested in seeing their take on the vigilanteism going on. Heard some crazy stories about cowboys on horseback with some serious firepower "warning" boarder-crossers to go back

where can i get a more impartial recap of Ramos-Compean story. First glance it seems some what justified but i am admittedly ignorant to the situation.

you think I loathe ilegal immigration becuase of skin tone to dislike Obama because of his skin tone you are a grade A genuine douche nozzle... maybe it's you that is hung up on race. I have said this all to you many times, yet you simply read what you want to read. Doesn't matter anyways you are not real people.. you' re pixels on a screen. My world does not extend past what I can see. Prove to met hat it does...lol please continue


Yeah I do think that as, it seems, a few others do. Funny how we all come to the same conclusion about you. You play a game, a really stupid game, you post that we are mere pixels on a screen. You do your best to make it seem as though we don't matter to you, that we are merely a bunch of people that you use as a point of shock value in your life. Are you so bored that this is the best you can do for entertainment? Is this the best your mind can come up with?

From your posts and your links I can only discern that race matters, that those things that are not a choice, that people are born as, is the point you find so disturbing about them. I find that intriuging, strange as it seems. I wonder why, if this is not the real you, why would you choose to create the persona?

Why do you link to a website whose main purpose is to point out crimes committed by illegal aliens? Why are those crimes being presented as being worse because they were committed by illegal aliens?


I really had a bunch more written...but I deleted it..if we don't matter here and are simply your entertainment...then I guess I should just not care.

An Old Newness
By Thomas Sowell
Tuesday, April 29, 2008

Many years ago, a great hitter named Paul Waner was nearing the end of his long
career. He entered a ballgame with 2,999 hits -- one hit away from the landmark total of
3,000, which so many hitters want to reach, but which relatively few actually do reach.

Waner hit a ball that the fielder did not handle cleanly but the official scorer called it a
hit, making it Waner's 3,000th. Paul Waner then sent word to the official scorer that he
did not want that questionable hit to be the one that put him over the top.

The official scorer reversed himself and called it an error. Later Paul Waner got a clean
hit for number 3,000.

What reminded me of this is the great fervor that many seem to feel over the prospect of
the first black President of the United States.

No doubt it is only a matter of time before there is a black president, just as it was only
a matter of time before Paul Waner got his 3,000th hit. The issue is whether we want to
reach that landmark so badly that we are willing to overlook how questionably that
landmark is reached.

Paul Waner had too much pride to accept a scratch hit. Choosing a President of
the United States is a lot more momentous than a baseball record. We the voters need
to have far more concern about who we put in that office that holds the destiny of a
nation and of generations yet unborn.

There is no reason why someone as arrogant, foolishly clever and ultimately dangerous
as Barack Obama should become president -- especially not at a time when the threat
of international terrorists with nuclear weapons looms over 300 million Americans.

Many people seem to regard elections as occasions for venting emotions, like cheering
for your favorite team or choosing a Homecoming Queen.

The three leading candidates for their party's nomination are being discussed in terms of
their demographics -- race, sex and age -- as if that is what the job is about.

One of the painful aspects of studying great catastrophes of the past is discovering how
many times people were preoccupied with trivialities when they were teetering on the
edge of doom. The demographics of the presidency are far less important than the
momentous weight of responsibility that office carries.

Just the power to nominate federal judges to trial courts and appellate courts across the
country, including the Supreme Court, can have an enormous impact for decades to
come. There is no point feeling outraged by things done by federal judges, if you vote
on the basis of emotion for those who appoint them.

Barack Obama has already indicated that he wants judges who make social policy
instead of just applying the law. He has already tried to stop young violent criminals
from being tried as adults.

Although Senator Obama has presented himself as the candidate of new things -- using
the mantra of "change" endlessly -- the cold fact is that virtually everything he says
about domestic policy is straight out of the 1960s and virtually everything he says about
foreign policy is straight out of the 1930s.

Protecting criminals, attacking business, increasing government spending, promoting a
sense of envy and grievance, raising taxes on people who are productive and
subsidizing those who are not -- all this is a re-run of the 1960s.

We paid a terrible price for such 1960s notions in the years that followed, in the form of
soaring crime rates, double-digit inflation and double-digit unemployment. During the
1960s, ghettoes across the countries were ravaged by riots from which many have not
fully recovered to this day.

The violence and destruction were concentrated not where there was the greatest
poverty or injustice but where there were the most liberal politicians, promoting
grievances and hamstringing the police.

Internationally, the approach that Senator Obama proposes -- including the media magic
of meetings between heads of state -- was tried during the 1930s. That approach, in the
name of peace, is what led to the most catastrophic war in human history.

Everything seems new to those too young to remember the old and too ignorant of
history to have heard about it.

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute and author of Basic
Economics: A Citizen's Guide to the Economy.
__________________

An Old Newness
By Thomas Sowell
Tuesday, April 29, 2008

Many years ago, a great hitter named Paul Waner was nearing the end of his long
career. He entered a ballgame with 2,999 hits -- one hit away from the landmark total of
3,000, which so many hitters want to reach, but which relatively few actually do reach.

Waner hit a ball that the fielder did not handle cleanly but the official scorer called it a
hit, making it Waner's 3,000th. Paul Waner then sent word to the official scorer that he
did not want that questionable hit to be the one that put him over the top.

The official scorer reversed himself and called it an error. Later Paul Waner got a clean
hit for number 3,000.

What reminded me of this is the great fervor that many seem to feel over the prospect of
the first black President of the United States.

No doubt it is only a matter of time before there is a black president, just as it was only
a matter of time before Paul Waner got his 3,000th hit. The issue is whether we want to
reach that landmark so badly that we are willing to overlook how questionably that
landmark is reached.

Paul Waner had too much pride to accept a scratch hit. Choosing a President of
the United States is a lot more momentous than a baseball record. We the voters need
to have far more concern about who we put in that office that holds the destiny of a
nation and of generations yet unborn.

There is no reason why someone as arrogant, foolishly clever and ultimately dangerous
as Barack Obama should become president -- especially not at a time when the threat
of international terrorists with nuclear weapons looms over 300 million Americans.

Many people seem to regard elections as occasions for venting emotions, like cheering
for your favorite team or choosing a Homecoming Queen.

The three leading candidates for their party's nomination are being discussed in terms of
their demographics -- race, sex and age -- as if that is what the job is about.

One of the painful aspects of studying great catastrophes of the past is discovering how
many times people were preoccupied with trivialities when they were teetering on the
edge of doom. The demographics of the presidency are far less important than the
momentous weight of responsibility that office carries.

Just the power to nominate federal judges to trial courts and appellate courts across the
country, including the Supreme Court, can have an enormous impact for decades to
come. There is no point feeling outraged by things done by federal judges, if you vote
on the basis of emotion for those who appoint them.

Barack Obama has already indicated that he wants judges who make social policy
instead of just applying the law. He has already tried to stop young violent criminals
from being tried as adults.

Although Senator Obama has presented himself as the candidate of new things -- using
the mantra of "change" endlessly -- the cold fact is that virtually everything he says
about domestic policy is straight out of the 1960s and virtually everything he says about
foreign policy is straight out of the 1930s.

Protecting criminals, attacking business, increasing government spending, promoting a
sense of envy and grievance, raising taxes on people who are productive and
subsidizing those who are not -- all this is a re-run of the 1960s.

We paid a terrible price for such 1960s notions in the years that followed, in the form of
soaring crime rates, double-digit inflation and double-digit unemployment. During the
1960s, ghettoes across the countries were ravaged by riots from which many have not
fully recovered to this day.

The violence and destruction were concentrated not where there was the greatest
poverty or injustice but where there were the most liberal politicians, promoting
grievances and hamstringing the police.

Internationally, the approach that Senator Obama proposes -- including the media magic
of meetings between heads of state -- was tried during the 1930s. That approach, in the
name of peace, is what led to the most catastrophic war in human history.

Everything seems new to those too young to remember the old and too ignorant of
history to have heard about it.

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute and author of Basic
Economics: A Citizen's Guide to the Economy.
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HAHAHHAHA, oh dear mother of god, i seriously hope this is an elaborate fakepost.

And why should I take the word of a person who works for a Conservative think tank?

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Does this fall into the "I can't debate the topic, so I'll attack the person" line of thinking?

Amazing how easily ideas are dismissed.

Sowell raised the issue of appointments of federal judges, including possible SC appointments. Isn't that a worthy issue to discuss regarding the three candidates?

He made comparisons to the 1960's, which are very valid, having lived through those times and witnessing first hand some of the effects. Why is that not worth debate?

If you cannot get past the messenger, to actually give due consideration to the message, than you are simply validating that message and making decisions based on emotion rather than careful study of the facts and information in front of you. Everything does not have to be automatically dismissed because it is not showering your choice with flowers and praise; there are many valid issues that need discussion with each candidate, and Sowell raised some with respect to Obama.

Amazing how easily ideas are dismissed.

Sowell raised the issue of appointments of federal judges, including possible SC appointments. Isn't that a worthy issue to discuss regarding the three candidates?

He made comparisons to the 1960's, which are very valid, having lived through those times and witnessing first hand some of the effects. Why is that not worth debate?

If you cannot get past the messenger, to actually give due consideration to the message, than you are simply validating that message and making decisions based on emotion rather than careful study of the facts and information in front of you. Everything does not have to be automatically dismissed because it is not showering your choice with flowers and praise; there are many valid issues that need discussion with each candidate, and Sowell raised some with respect to Obama.

In the past Republicans have started wars based on false information and have attempted to rape us of our rights... Therefore McCain will start wars based on false information and rape us of our rights... right?

I mean... I totally make a good case.

In the past Republicans have started wars based on false information and have attempted to rape us of our rights... Therefore McCain will start wars based on false information and rape us of our rights... right?

Please explain what the fuck that has to do with what I posted regarding the post of Sowell's commentary? And do a little study as well, since Democrats have not always had "rights" held in high esteem. You are a good example of the last line of Sowell's commentary, " Everything seems new to those too young to remember the old and too ignorant of
history to have heard about it."

And, for the record, how many wars "in the past" have Republicans started based on false information? Since you obviously want to disregard the commentary I was commenting on, validating my comments as well, let's play your game.

Please explain what the fuck that has to do with what I posted regarding the post of Sowell's commentary? And do a little study as well, since Democrats have not always had "rights" held in high esteem. You are a good example of the last line of Sowell's commentary, " Everything seems new to those too young to remember the old and too ignorant of
history to have heard about it."

And, for the record, how many wars "in the past" have Republicans started based on false information? Since you obviously want to disregard the commentary I was commenting on, validating my comments as well, let's play your game.

I made a smart ass comment based on the fact that the argument is not a good one at all.

If it were, then it would be just as easy to say "McCain supports the same stances as George W. Bush, and George Bush started a war based on false information and has ever since attempted to rape our constitution. Therefore McCain will act in the same manner and harm our country.

It is really quite simple, if it applies to one, it applies to all. Therefore Nobody is fit to run the country, right?

In the past, Democrats have allowed attacks against our country to take place, so that we could be drawn into a World War.
Does this mean that Obama/Hillary will allow attacks to take place against out country so we can be drawn into future wars?*

Oh, for the record Conservative =/= Republican.

*the statement above does not necessarily reflect how I feel about said candidates, but was fielded to further the discussion of the past of said candidates' party affiliation.

In the past, Democrats have allowed attacks against our country to take place, so that we could be drawn into a World War.
Does this mean that Obama/Hillary will allow attacks to take place against out country so we can be drawn into future wars?*

Oh, for the record Conservative =/= Republican.

*the statement above does not necessarily reflect how I feel about said candidates, but was fielded to further the discussion of the past of said candidates' party affiliation.

That is why I found that article completely stupid. Every party and every person has done something wrong, that if attributed to all would make nobody fit to be our leader.

Protecting criminals, attacking business, increasing government spending, promoting a
sense of envy and grievance, raising taxes on people who are productive and
subsidizing those who are not -- all this is a re-run of the 1960s.

Really?

Funny how much Bush, a conservative has increased government spending.

That is why I found that article completely stupid. Every party and every person has done something wrong, that if attributed to all would make nobody fit to be our leader.


And that validates what Sowell was saying; you are willing to disregard issues and make decisions based on your emotions, which you have blatantly shared and labeled in your own terms as hate for McCain and Clinton. Which is why any effort to actually discuss issues like federal judicial appointments with you are wasted, because you could care less about anything but getting your candidate elected, because you hate the other two.

And that validates what Sowell was saying; you are willing to disregard issues and make decisions based on your emotions, which you have blatantly shared and labeled in your own terms as hate for McCain and Clinton. Which is why any effort to actually discuss issues like federal judicial appointments with you are wasted, because you could care less about anything but getting your candidate elected, because you hate the other two.

When the alternative is conservative judicial appointments which want to keep us stuck in the 1900's and shackle us to the conservative values. Damn right!

The article is lacking in factual accuracy and is at the least laughable piece of literature.

Sowell raised the issue of appointments of federal judges, including possible SC appointments. Isn't that a worthy issue to discuss regarding the three candidates?

Yes it's important. Yes it's worth debate. It's laughable for this guy to worry so much about Obama's potential appointees without first looking at how the appointments for the last eight years have occured.


He made comparisons to the 1960's, which are very valid, having lived through those times and witnessing first hand some of the effects. Why is that not worth debate?

I've lived through the crap the the current administration has thrown at us, why is that so easily dismissed?



If you cannot get past the messenger, to actually give due consideration to the message, than you are simply validating that message and making decisions based on emotion rather than careful study of the facts and information in front of you. Everything does not have to be automatically dismissed because it is not showering your choice with flowers and praise; there are many valid issues that need discussion with each candidate, and Sowell raised some with respect to Obama.

Careful study of facts? This guy works for a Conservative think tank. You know, the same type of organization that designed the new American Century? Him throwing out generalizations because his party is against everything liberal doesn't make what he says fact.

Protecting criminals, attacking business, increasing government spending, promoting a
sense of envy and grievance, raising taxes on people who are productive and
subsidizing those who are not -- all this is a re-run of the 1960s.

Wow, let's not get too specific here. This is a bunch of political bullshit non-speak.

As Jedd pointed out, the most concrete accusation in here happens to also be the most foolish. We have a 9 TRILLION dollar deficit under President Bush. Federal spending has gone through the roof. Federalizing things like the entire education system really isn't what I'd call decreasing government spending.

Internationally, the approach that Senator Obama proposes -- including the media magic
of meetings between heads of state -- was tried during the 1930s. That approach, in the
name of peace, is what led to the most catastrophic war in human history.

Yeah. Isolationism is fucking great foreign policy. Thanks Mr. Sowell.

We paid a terrible price for such 1960s notions in the years that followed, in the form of
soaring crime rates, double-digit inflation and double-digit unemployment. During the
1960s, ghettoes across the countries were ravaged by riots from which many have not
fully recovered to this day.

The violence and destruction were concentrated not where there was the greatest
poverty or injustice but where there were the most liberal politicians, promoting
grievances and hamstringing the police.

Damn those Civil Rights!

And that validates what Sowell was saying; you are willing to disregard issues and make decisions based on your emotions, which you have blatantly shared and labeled in your own terms as hate for McCain and Clinton. Which is why any effort to actually discuss issues like federal judicial appointments with you are wasted, because you could care less about anything but getting your candidate elected, because you hate the other two.And why are you acting like this is breaking news?

The Executive has the power to appoint federal judges. This isn't new, and I'm sure there will be the same long, drawn-out bullshit through the Judiciary Committee, with constant threats of filibusters and the nuclear option and so on. Obama is going to appoint like-minded people, same as Bush, Clinton, and the rest of the Presidents.

This entire article is just playing off the emotions of that rather large group of our voting populace who have been indoctrinated to wish death upon liberalism, whether they understand it or not.

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Yes, I agree. I erred and should not have announced I was making an new sig... Oh well.. Good discussion on Mr. Sowell. I am supirised one our esteemed left here did not mention Mr. Sowell is/was a raging alchy and there for was probably not in his right(no pun intended) mind..

is/was a raging alchy and there for was probably not in his right(no pun intended) mind.

It would explain some things about you however.

The article is lacking in factual accuracy and is at the least laughable piece of literature.

Text removed, cus i doubled up on it.

The article is lacking in factual accuracy and is at the least laughable piece of literature.

Which makes the ideas raised not worthy of dialog? When did you become so close-minded, Rover?

I could care less about the man's agenda or politics; if he can raise an issue that is important to the election, it should be discussed on it's own merit.

Almost every response since Os posted the commentary has been an emotional one, which is exactly the point the man was making; people are willing to decide the future of the country based on emotion.

If you are confident in your decision of the candidate you are voting for based on positions and merits and what you have learned about his or her qualifications and ideas, then there should not be any need to have these knee-jerk reactions.

Personally, I have yet to feel that confidence in any of the candidates, and I like seeing ideas raised as Sowell did regarding judicial appointments, because it has not gotten much discussion as of yet. Of course, McCain has already been courting the Anti-abortion folks with claims of what he will do with those appointments, but have we really heard much more than one-liners from either Clinton or Obama regarding the federal bench and Supreme Court?

This goes right to what L2 was discussing, with people wanting to be in attack mode and being against someone. I used to skip right by columns by Cal Thomas, because I had the notion he was nothing more than a Religious Right mouthpiece; I have since found that he does a good job of stating an argument, even though I still mostly disagree with him. Sowell is with "the enemy" so he cannot possibly have anything to say worth paying attention to? A shame how much can get missed with blinders on.

Why? Because this guy speaks about not voting with emotion and thats all his "article" is playing on. It plays on peoples emotions and is at the very least hidden racism, because you as well as I know that the first thing that comes to mind is a bunch of African Americans with big ass afros running down the street, fists in the air screaming "black power" while they burn the hard working white people out of their businesses.

Thats what this guy is shooting for and it seems it worked.

It plays on peoples emotions and is at the very least hidden racism, because you as well as I know that the first thing that comes to mind is a bunch of African Americans with big ass afros running down the street, fists in the air screaming "black power" while they burn the hard working white people out of their businesses.



Um, no, that was not the first or even second or third thing that came to mind. You do seem awfully preoccupied with race though of late, which is not surprising, seeing how much the media is playing it up in both overt and not so overt ways that stories are being reported on these candidates.

i've been preoccupied with race for years thank you!

I like auto racing Racing...

Here...I'll do another translation for you and Os.

An Old Newness
By Thomas Sowell
Tuesday, April 29, 2008

Many years ago, a great hitter named Paul Waner was nearing the end of his long career. He entered a ballgame with 2,999 hits -- one hit away from the landmark total of 3,000, which so many hitters want to reach, but which relatively few actually do reach. (This election is just like a baseball game)

Waner hit a ball that the fielder did not handle cleanly but the official scorer called it a hit, making it Waner's 3,000th. Paul Waner then sent word to the official scorer that he did not want that questionable hit to be the one that put him over the top. (One of those liberals running for president is a cheater)

The official scorer reversed himself and called it an error. Later Paul Waner got a clean hit for number 3,000. (The democratic party should reverse itself on Michigan and Florida and let Hillary be the nominee because the republicans know how to attack the clintons and Obama, well, he is someone new and we already wore out that Rev Wright crap so we can't use it really)

What reminded me of this is the great fervor that many seem to feel over the prospect of the first black President of the United States. (OMFG a Niggra? President? HOLY SHIT NO F'in WAY, NOT ON MY WATCH)

No doubt it is only a matter of time before there is a black president, just as it was only a matter of time before Paul Waner got his 3,000th hit. The issue is whether we want to reach that landmark so badly that we are willing to overlook how questionably that landmark is reached. (Obama can and most likely will kick McCains ass in this election and right now he is our best hope to keep coroprate welfare going so we need to try anything to stop him)

Paul Waner had too much pride to accept a scratch hit. Choosing a President of the United States is a lot more momentous than a baseball record. We the voters need to have far more concern about who we put in that office that holds the destiny of a nation and of generations yet unborn. (If we can get people to believe that Obama lacks any honor then we can get Clinton as the democratic nominee and we can beat here, we know the enemy and how she fights)

There is no reason why someone as arrogant, foolishly clever and ultimately dangerous as Barack Obama should become president -- especially not at a time when the threat of international terrorists with nuclear weapons looms over 300 million Americans. (His middle name is Hussein how much more do I need to say)

Many people seem to regard elections as occasions for venting emotions, like cheering for your favorite team or choosing a Homecoming Queen. (Americans bought into all that bullshit about Iraq they gotta believe the bullshit we are gonnas sell about Iran, just give us the chance)

The three leading candidates for their party's nomination are being discussed in terms of their demographics -- race, sex and age -- as if that is what the job is about. (Race, and sex matter, we can overlook the age thing, to show that race and sex matters I keep pointing out that Obama is in fact black)

One of the painful aspects of studying great catastrophes of the past is discovering how many times people were preoccupied with trivialities when they were teetering on the edge of doom. The demographics of the presidency are far less important than the momentous weight of responsibility that office carries. (Flag pins and gays getting married are not trivial things)

Just the power to nominate federal judges to trial courts and appellate courts across the country, including the Supreme Court, can have an enormous impact for decades to come. There is no point feeling outraged by things done by federal judges, if you vote on the basis of emotion for those who appoint them. (the 2000 election proves we need need more republican appointees on benches)

Barack Obama has already indicated that he wants judges who make social policy instead of just applying the law. He has already tried to stop young violent criminals from being tried as adults. (everyone knows that a kid who makes a mistake should pay with their lives, of course as long as its not my kid. Plus it gets ratings on my friends TV station which means he sells more advertising)

Although Senator Obama has presented himself as the candidate of new things -- using the mantra of "change" endlessly -- the cold fact is that virtually everything he says about domestic policy is straight out of the 1960s and virtually everything he says about foreign policy is straight out of the 1930s. (I have no clue what the reality is of this last statement but it gets both Hitler and Hippies into the picture)

Protecting criminals, attacking business, increasing government spending, promoting a sense of envy and grievance, raising taxes on people who are productive and subsidizing those who are not -- all this is a re-run of the 1960s. (we should only let republican criminals get away with things and government spending should increase for corporate handouts and for private contractors with no bid contracts. Screw the small businesses and screw the people, Cheneys company needs more free money)

We paid a terrible price for such 1960s notions in the years that followed, in the form of soaring crime rates, double-digit inflation and double-digit unemployment. During the 1960s, ghettoes across the countries were ravaged by riots from which many have not fully recovered to this day. (Double digit inflation only counts as bad if my friends don't make money on it and of course it never counts when it comes to oil or healthcare, double digit inflation is ok there.)

The violence and destruction were concentrated not where there was the greatest poverty or injustice but where there were the most liberal politicians, promoting grievances and hamstringing the police. (Of course those negroes in Watts and in Newark were just burning stuff because they like fire, not because they were being fucked over and wrongfully accused, on a constant basis, for crimes they never committed)

Internationally, the approach that Senator Obama proposes -- including the media magic of meetings between heads of state -- was tried during the 1930s. That approach, in the name of peace, is what led to the most catastrophic war in human history. (Yeah, the bombs and lightning warfare stuff had nothing to do with the war, it was because there was attempts at diplomatic negotiations. Just go shopping now, we'll handle this stuff)

Everything seems new to those too young to remember the old and too ignorant of history to have heard about it. (Of course we won't mention that what I'm advocating is what the Nazi regime believed in a doctrine of pre-emptive strike, of course they didn't do it right at least not as right as we did in Iraq, anyone see those Nazis lately? I wonder what happened to them, they probably tried negotiating.)

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute and author of Basic Economics: A Citizen's Guide to the Economy.

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Why?

It was immediately obvious that the piece was an anti-Obama writing. For that reason, it was being immediately dismissed as not worth anyone's time by those fervent Obama supporters here. I merely raised the point that there were some valid issues raised, and you went childish. You are really surprising me during this campaign season, as I am seeing another side that I had not been aware of before. You are becoming almost as rabid in your approach to anyone who says anything not praising Obama as jedd is in his pro-Iran spiels. You used to allow for folks to have opinions that did not match yours, or at least to ask questions.

I still am curious why you think it is not worth discussing Obama and Hillary's positions regarding judicial appointments; we already know McCain's stated "gimme the religious vote" position, but we have not heard much from the Democratic side. You bitch about the trivial crap being talked about on and on, but seem unwilling to talk about issues like the one I thought Sowell was right to raise, even if he did so in a biased manner.

The response to Sowell is silly. Would we not discuss vote tampering or attempts to rig an election simply because Rush Limbaugh, who was promoting that, is an asinine blowhard?

As someone who will not be voting for Obama (and consequently doesn't really care if it was anti-Obama or not), it seemed like a hack-job of logical fallacies to me too. I thought it was from the Onion at first.

Careful study of facts? This guy works for a Conservative think tank. You know, the same type of organization that designed the new American Century? Him throwing out generalizations because his party is against everything liberal doesn't make what he says fact.

Apparently I did a poor job of getting my point across; I did not say he was presenting facts. I was saying there should be a careful study of facts and information, and not decision-making based on emotion. My bad for doing a lousy job of conveying my thought.

When I see something worth questioning Obama about I am all eyes and ears. I will not and cannot take with any seriousness a discussion that points out things like "he's dangerous because Rev Wright said America sucks", I can't take seriously things like "he didn't have his hand over his heart when they played the Star Spangled Banner" I won't tolerate a discussion that remotely goes there, it's bullshit plain and simple.

This guys points are as ridiculious as they are baiting.

I grew up in a Family in Northern NJ, my Dad was very succesful, pulled himself up by his own bootstraps, was born in 1920 so he was a child very affected by the depression. His family lost their home in the early 30s, he along with his five sisters and his mother walked from Paterson NJ to Maryland in search of a place to live. They slept outside, lived off of the land. His mother had to eventually place her children in an orphanage, my Dad never got past 8th grade in school.

He was a direct beneficiary of the WPA, he learned construction and actually worked as a blaster on a huge federal project. I was brought up to think that government offered us, we the people opportunity in its educational system, its peace corps, its military.

My Dad ended up working for Douglass Aircraft and in the very begginings of WWII and the US involvement he was told he could not enlist in the military as his job as an aircraft mechanic was needed right away. In the summer of 1942 he boarded a ship named the USS Chateau Thierry (http://www.fugawee.com/summer_of.htm)and set sail for Africa, specifically Eritrea. (That link tells the story of his trip, it was written by a guy who was also on that trip.)

But my point is this, somewhere along the way we lost our compassion as a people, greed became a good thing, we became more concerned with the brand name than we were with the actual quality. This carried over into our government, the brand "conservative" became just that, a brand. No quality it became a selling point, not a point of reality. Guys like this writer are nothing more than a pile of bullshitting windbags who scream about welfare to the inner city while at the same time will sign over every tax dollar to the Halliburtons of the world.

Our corporations become more and more profitable while our cities crumble and our society becomes more separated and just plain mean. How much money did KBR/Halliburton get paid in post Katrina New Orleans, how much was Blackwater paid there? How many houses of the middle class and poor were rebuilt with government assistance? Where did the money go? Why are these not the questions that are asked?

Obama is asking those questions, Hillary isn't nor is McCain. Obama is the one real person in this, the one person who worked their way up from nothing, from being behind the eight ball. He did it. My God, the guy just recently finished paying off his college loans. He hasn't pandered, he is the best we have right now, like it or not. He is our last hope, and you know it.

I don't know how old people are on this board, I tend to think that you and I are the two oldest here, I remember the '60s, I went to highschool in the seventies, was there crime then? Yep as well as there is crime now.

There were riots then, there was protests, there was drugs and music and picnics and Christmas and summer vacations. There was pollution and Earthday and polaroid cameras, and there is still all of the same shit. Whats the difference? Wheres the big mystery?

Saying that if Obama gets in will bring back the 60s is plainly retarded...I fail to see the real issues this guy supposedly brings up...

Rover, If I could +rep your post I would do it 3 times. Very good post, and thank you for sharing.

Just what is with Obama's black separatist church these days? Now this is a new twist on an old idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

Just what is with Obama's black separatist church these days? Now this is a new twist on an old idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y


Golly gee I'm not sure, did you see that cracker up there? Those darn catholic priests...well you know...its just catholics in general.

I love you Rover.

I love you Rover.


I think I've found my man crush.

it makes sense and its no hiding your conservative. It just your examples have typically be extreme and ignorant. You are indicating you do it to get a rise out of people, but you come across as a racist bastard. You had a damn sig talking about a vote for obama was a vote for kill whitey....how the hell do you expect people to respect your opnion or even to listen to you??

My view of your imigration view is 10-to-1 says your ancestors illegally imigrated in the same manner and took jobs from the native people, and kill them, and did all the same things your website says (just a 1700's-1800's spin on it) but its ok when your family did it.

Lastly, again 60% of my opinion of you is based on that god damn website that is about a retarded as having a www.blackwatch.com (http://www.blackwatch.com) and spouting off about how a black murder someone and a black is burdening welfare and zomg.

Eh, tho my family on both sides has been her 6 plus generations all of them signed in properly and legally. I think the paperwork has become so burdensome and rife with red tape that it's given rise to our current problems. (omg count down to the legalize drug afficiando's jumping on that statement)

There are procedures, skipping them and placing yourself on the dole isn't a good thing for anyone. Ask anyone who teaches, practices medicine or attempts to uphold the law in the west/southwest.

When the alternative is conservative judicial appointments which want to keep us stuck in the 1900's and shackle us to the conservative values. Damn right!

Funny, considering your continuing support of Iran and it's 1800's desire for culture.

Funny, considering your continuing support of Iran and it's 1800's desire for culture.

my belief that we have no right to interfere with Iran has nothing to do with how I want life in my country to be. That was truly a stupid comparison.

my belief that we have no right to interfere with Iran has nothing to do with how I want life in my country to be. That was truly a stupid comparison.

Actually jedd, your statement was just as stupid, since it did not give any discussion at all to the potential long term effects of the candidates choices of judges based on their political philosophies, but simply flung more poo; and, I am not sure if you were flinging it at the Bush administration or conservatives in general, which would not be the same since Bush and traditional conservatives have different beliefs for the most part.

Eh, tho my family on both sides has been her 6 plus generations all of them signed in properly and legally. I think the paperwork has become so burdensome and rife with red tape that it's given rise to our current problems. (omg count down to the legalize drug afficiando's jumping on that statement)

There are procedures, skipping them and placing yourself on the dole isn't a good thing for anyone. Ask anyone who teaches, practices medicine or attempts to uphold the law in the west/southwest.


Also consider when da' white man come over in the early days there was no nation.. no borders.. no gov't... So nothing illegal...

Also consider when da' white man come over in the early days there was no nation.. no borders.. no gov't... So nothing illegal...

The Iruqois, Sioux, Algonquins, and many other less famous native cultures had extensive borders and governments. Just because they didn't write history doesn't mean they weren't part of it. The majority of the early United State's foreign treaties were all signed with native nation, not to mention hundreds of years of diplomacy that had existed between France, Germany, Britain, Spain, the Dutch, and various other colonial powers and the indigenous population.

Not only was it "illegal" in that it violated laws, it was often straight up dishonest because it violated treaties and contracts signed with said peoples by the colonists.

Also consider when da' white man come over in the early days there was no nation.. no borders.. no gov't... So nothing illegal...

Actually there were many nations, with fluid borders, all having their own government or leadership; much like the individual states we now see. And it can be argued whether it was legal to forcibly take and occupy lands "belonging" to another nation. Of course, seeing it was "da' white man" that wrote the laws that would be used to decide the legality, it is something of a stacked deck.

The only difference now with the immigrants coming is that the occupiers who forced out the previous residents have set up laws to determine who can share the space they confiscated.


Dang, Malse must have been typing faster than me.

I can't wait to see this...

http://politicalkudzu.com/2008/05/16/michelle-obama-whitey-video/
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/19/obama-freakout-over-michelle-video-the-ticking-whitey-time-bomb/

ROFL!

Jane, you ignorant slut.


http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/6/1/235757/2325

My old friend, Larry Johnson, knows about manipulating elections from his training with the Central Intelligence Agency. He doesn't want Obama to win the nomination for whatever reason, and he's in full propaganda mode to do everything he can to frighten the superdelegates. He claims to have a shocking tape of Michelle Obama ranting in some anti-white diatribe. He promises to produce this tape tomorrow at 9am.

From what I understand, it is a tape of Michelle Obama criticizing the Bush administration.

How you'd write it:

Why did Bush cut folks off medicaid?
Why did Bush let New Orleans drown?
Why did Bush do nothing about Jena?
Why did Bush put us in Iraq for no reason?

How you'd say it:

Why'd he cut folks off medicaid?
Why'd he let New Orleans drown?
Why'd he do nothing about Jena?
Why'd he put us in Iraq for no reason?

How Larry Johnson wants you to hear it:

Whitie cut folks off medicaid?
Whitie let New Orleans drown?
Whitie do nothing about Jena?
Whitie put us in Iraq for no reason?

Oh and this was the guy who promising us it was going to be released today! Right after Obama clinches, OMG NO STOP HIM!

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/03/larry-the-liar/

W.C Fields is on line 2 for you Osgiliath666.

ROFL!

Jane, you ignorant slut.


http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/6/1/235757/2325

uh huh...


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes:

For someone who is FINALLY proud to be an American just because her hubby is running for POTUS I would not put these racist incendiary comments past her at all.

Right.

And if I were the RNC, or anyone even remotely connected to the right, I would be goddamn sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have honest goods before I went after the Democratic nominees wife. Because if its the weak shit most people are saying it is, it is going to blow up in their face and backfire in a really bad way.

Ahh, your fucked anyway.. go for it.

But you know.. you are right Osgiliath666. Larry Johnson is an extremely credible source with a long history of good factual reporting... perhaps you remember him from his previous hit:

"Karl Rove is going to be indicted tomorrow."

or

"Karl Roves mother killed herself because she was ashamed of Karl"

http://patterico.com/2007/01/28/la-times-quotes-larry-karl-roves-mother-killed-herself-because-she-hated-him-johnson-as-an-unbiased-expert-on-the-administration/

Now, all of a sudden he is your trusted source?
Do you ever just stop for a second an comprehend just how dishonest you really are?

Whenever I see the name Larry Johnson I instantly connect it with Basketball. I have no clue who this other guy is but he sounds kooky.

i also think of Grandma-mah.

Still love the fact not much sticks to Obama so they attack those around him.

I read this today on CNN and just thought someone else might take interest in reading it.


Editor's note: Bishop T.D. Jakes is founder and senior pastor of The Potter's House of Dallas, Texas, a multiracial, nondenominational church with more than 50 outreach ministries.

(CNN) -- Last night, I like most Americans of all stripes, watched with visible goose bumps as history was made. I sat with my 13-year-old son and looked from the screen to his eyes as Sen. Barack Obama became the first African American in history to lead a U.S. major-party ticket when he claimed the nomination for the Democratic Party for president of the United States.

I congratulate Sen. Obama on this historic accomplishment. I thank him for accepting the torch that was lit by our forefathers and proudly carrying it through the darkness of our struggles, trials and tribulations, bringing light and hope to a new generation, and for facing all those who said "No" and "You can't win," or "It will never happen," and firmly, proudly, defiantly saying, "Yes I can!"

However, what I really hope people take away from that night is that this is not just a victory for African Americans, it is a victory for democracy that proves that our country provides possibilities for all people. It is also a sign that a metamorphosis is in progress.

Today we saw that Americans respect experience, but are interested in change. I hope that we can somehow merge the best ideas of our differences and emerge with a president who epitomizes our highest and best ideals. While it remains unclear where we are going, last night proves that we as a people have moved beyond business as usual.

I congratulate not just Sen. Obama (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/barack_obama/) on his victory, but the country on this landmark event that has shattered a past all too often filled with reasons to separate us as opposed to a voice of reason to unite us. The victory cup does not rest on the shoulders of the senator alone, but to all those who have been able to lift the conversation from petty racism, antiquated cut-throat politics, and fear-based campaigns to the larger issues of how we would like to see our country led into the future and ultimately how our country will be remembered.

As the days and discussions of this political season continue, it is my sincere hope and prayer that we do not sink back into the abyss of political pettiness that has plagued our country and our lives for so many years. I am grateful to Sen. Hillary Clinton for giving, through this campaign, a chance for my daughters to see that their femininity is not a liability. Today both my sons and daughters came to understand that their ethnicity isn't viewed by progressive Americans as a limitation or a liability.

For me it was almost déjÃ* vu as I sat with my son. I remembered a little over 40 years ago watching the famous King speech with my dad. Similarly, I watched with my youngest son last night as a historical moment unfolded. He and I saw the dreams of slaves come true as the sons of slaves and the slave owners clapped their hands in one progressive sweep.

As I drifted into sleep, all I could see was the twinkle in my son's eyes. His eyes were illuminated with possibilities, and his heart was filled with the potential of what is attainable for qualified, competent people of all types who prepare themselves intellectually and are well vested with a divine sensitivity to the "fierce urgency of now!"

Congratulations Sen. Obama.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/04/jakes/index.html

Still love the fact not much sticks to Obama so they attack those around him.No, we attack the hate-filled vitriolic advisors, friends, campaign organizers, and terrorists he chooses to surround himself with.

MLK and the Putinista (in another thread) want us to judge him by his character. We're trying, you're not letting us.

No. You don't get it..

Criticizing on having Wright, Rezco, and Ayers as associates is 100% fair game. It goes to his judgement. And he has to answer those questions. Don't cry when you get answered back forcefully and aggressively though.
What are they supposed to do? Sit back and allow you to spin it and own it to your whim? Gimme a break. Questions are raised and answers are given. You may not like them because they are answered in a way that has not stuck to Obama, but "ZOMG THATS RACIST" has never been brought up by me, or by the Obama campaign, or by anyone advocating on his behalf.

What you had better be careful about, and what IS racist is trying to portray Obama as the stereotypical "Scary Black Man". Saying he secretly hates America or is a closet Muslim is out of bounds and you will get the shit kicked out of you in a political sense if you are stupid enough to try to play it.

Obama will win or lose this election by the same standards of every other candidate for the office. And he will be judged by the content of his character.

Obama will win or lose this election by the same standards of every other candidate for the office. And he will be judged by the content of his character.

That sounds nice and all, but obviously isn't the case everywhere (http://ayonae.com/maybe-universal-suffrage-wasnt-all-that-great-t10777.html).

If there are that many people who will proudly display those attitudes on camera, you know there are a lot more who will quietly exercise them in an anonymous vote.

Seems like this is a good of a spot to post this as any:

If Barack Obama’s Gonna Win This Election, He’s Gonna Have To Do A Better Job Winning Over Racist Voters (http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2008/06/if-barack-obama%e2%80%99s-gonna-win-this-election-he%e2%80%99s-gonna-have-to-do-a-better-job-winning-over-racist-voters.html)

There’s still a LOT we don’t know about Obama. Right now, we only know his entire life story, the names of everyone he’s ever met, his entire political platform, his voting record, what he likes to eat, and this full body CT...

HAHAHAHAHAHHA

A great OP-ed


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/opinion/20brooks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Why was it great?

Having not followed the link I have to redirect to a question that came up this last week.

When Obama promised to only use Public funds and is now backtracking and will go private funds why aren't folks asking wth?

Was it or was it not a promise by him to only use public funds?

Criticizing on having Wright, Rezco, and Ayers as associates is 100% fair game. It goes to his judgement. And he has to answer those questions....&quot; &quot;...Obama will win or lose this election by the same standards of every other candidate for the office. And he will be judged by the content of his character.And it might be a good idea to add his late and mealymouthed support of the FISA reform bill to that list, his reneging on his pledge to accept (and this limit himself to) matching Federal campaign funds, as well as, although it's less relevant at this point, his tactics in his 1996 Illinois senate election (getting all of the other Democratic candidates, including the incumbent, a well-liked longtime community activist, struck from the ballot through repeated petition signature challenges so that he ran unopposed, something I was trying to post back when the board was eating them via a noscript bug or something like it).

I will, of course, vote for him in the fall, as McCain, as much integrity as he may have had at one point, is so clearly out of his depth that it's painful to watch, but I am watching with some amusement the incremental disillusionment of his more idealistic followers (witness Daily KOS this week), who considered Hillary Clinton sooooo reprehensible and dirty, and threaten to cut themselves should he take her on as VP ;). Barack Obama is as much a slave to ambition as the Clintons or most of the other people who have run for the office are, if a well-meaning one, and I expect that he's going to be a lot more centrist (for the next few months, at least), and cut quite a few more deals serving that ambition, than those who have put him on a pedestal are going to be happy with.

On a semi-related, but humorous note, there was a bit of buzz about Michelle Obama's visit to the vapid morning chat show 'The View' last week. While most of the attention in the press was played to a slip of the tongue she made (she called Barack 'pathetic' when she meant to say 'empathetic'), I found the bit where she bit where she said she was 'taking cues' from Laura Bush and hoped to emulate her as a First Lady far more telling. My first thought was: &quot;Oh, she's starting the Valium and Xanax already?&quot; ;). My initial impressions of her are that she is far more of a slave to (her husband's) ambition than he is, and I don't think the campaign trail, or public opinion, are going to be kind to her.

Regards,
Nydia

The goddamn edit isn't working again. That should read 'and *thus* limit himself to, and mention that he had pledged to do so at one point if John McCain pledged to do the same.

If anyone is interested, the link to the article I tried to post back at the end of May (I'd spent over 45 minutes writing up a pithy post about it that got eaten by a post error, leaving me so disgusted that I stayed away from the board for a couple of weeks) is here:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/obamas.first.campaign/index.html?eref=rss_politics&iref=polticker

The community activist and incumbent in that race was Alice Palmer, who campaigned for H. Clinton this year and declined to be interviewed for this particular article. I'd like to add, as I did then, that while the actions certainly cast a shadow over his current image packaging, I didn't and don't consider them wholly negative but evidence of his own Bill Clinton-esque qualities with regard to salesmanship.

Having not followed the link I have to redirect to a question that came up this last week.

When Obama promised to only use Public funds and is now backtracking and will go private funds why aren't folks asking wth?

Was it or was it not a promise by him to only use public funds?

So politicians backtrack all of the time, they "flip flop" based on the wind direction. It's done so often I'm friggin immune to it, only we the people can change that. What is the substance as to why it is bad that Obama has decided to forego the public funds. Why is it bad? This isn't a question directed at fandros, I'm hoping that others answer.

Obama would have been a moron if he accepted public funding and I would have doubted his judgment to be President if he gave up such a dominate advantage.
When conditions on the ground change, tactics change.

As far as the FISA. Obama really didn't have a choice, the bill was a political bear trap. I blame Pelosi and Reid more than I blame Obama. They caved or traded away FISA for other consideration and at the time when Obama is trying to Unify the party, he was really in no position to lead a revolt against what they did.
Moreover, if Obama took centerstage and tried to stop the bill via a filibuster, the Republicans were waiting with the old "soft on Terror" shit. And the whole crux of the bill is that telecoms got immunity from lawsuits for violations they may or may not have committed on the Governments behalf.

Being a leader isnt easy. And many times choices are made that nobody is happy about, but it is the right thing to do.

And I think Michelle Obama will be just fine. She is a beautiful stylish woman. Her time on the campaign trail is limited as well as she has said several times she spends 6 days of the week at home with their 2 daughters trying to keep life normal. Sorry, that doesnt sound like a woman who is obsessed with power.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_9651346?IADID=Search-www.twincities.com-www.twincities.com


An interesting opinion piece in today's St Paul Pioneer Press. Keep in mind that David Brooks can make Rush wince at times.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_9651346?IADID=Search-www.twincities.com-www.twincities.com


An interesting opinion piece in today's St Paul Pioneer Press. Keep in mind that David Brooks can make Rush wince at times.

And that's the same thing Osi linked a couple days ago.

And that's the same thing Osi linked a couple days ago.

Well, it was just published in yesterday's (6-23-08) daily paper, so you can't fault me for them being behind in their printing. :rolleyes:

Okay, now here is another interesting look at the "change candidate", printed in the June 28 St Paul Pioneer Press.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_9724152?IADID=Search-www.twincities.com-www.twincities.com


It is starting to look like the same old same old, Washington politics style. How does the candidate figure on keeping backers excited by adopting a middle of the road, back-pedaling posture? He has stated it is his goal to appeal to people in all states, red or blue; isn't that a recipe for a watered down campaign where the only change offered is that of positions taken, and statements made?

Obama is not looking like the same "fresh face" that was generating so much enthusiasm. I wonder how, and if, he will get that back.

With so much time left till the conventions and the Election the Obama camp seems to playing it prudently cautious. doubt you will see any radical or outrageuos statements that will give the Republican attack machine good ammo.
The move to opt out of public financing is politically brilliant given his fund raising ability. although at this point it appears the deep pocket GOP backers appear reluctant to "invest" in McCain there is still plenty of time for cash loaded 527's to pop up and having the resources to fight them directly will be an assest that Kerry did'nt have.
That and they will keep the McCain camp broke by forcing them to spend monies in states that are usually "safe" and garner little attention or candidate spending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fqCS7Y_kME&feature=related

So prophetic it's almost palpable..

LOL...Bunker was great...but this video is even funnier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKpHtc9F9M

More good links about that disgusting puke Obama...


http://www.jeffhead.com/audacityoftruth.htm

Just like what is in that head of yours that website is disgusting and full of lies and untruths.

Obama is the savior! Let us pray.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0408/glick042208.php3

Congrates! you have now proven with that last link that you are indeed not a tool. Nay, because a tool is a creation with a specific purpose in mind.
You sir are nothing more than a shaving. an innocous bit of material left floating in the wind with no discernable purpose or direction. a mere by product of the hole left in the fabric of America by the true tools.

Its just Angry Static at this point really.

Yes, because you refuse to look past the surface or are complicit in the corruption.



1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.



3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hamps hire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that..and for more. Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga los t the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama Barack Hussein Obama is! not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian f rom his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to..... http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.....25%25_African

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office. 4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in islam'' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obamadescribed the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash trou bling facts.'

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.




10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved M e To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Prof essor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.



21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports th e destruction off Israel.

30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.

31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

34.) I Don't Take PAC! Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

35.) I don't Have Lobbyists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

Snopes is too hard when you like the made up answers better.

Yes, because you refuse to look past the surface or are complicit in the corruption.

Or you were just too fucking dumb to Google it all.


LOL...Snopes comes shining through again...classic, just friggin' classic!

Well now...Next?

Ha, at this point its just embarrassing.

Incomming the obligatory post that he knew it was on snopes but he was trying to get a rise out of us.

I'll find more! Oh yes... More TRUTH! Yes Truth! Let it set you free as it has for ME!

Incomming the obligatory post that he knew it was on snopes but he was trying to get a rise out of us.


LOL..I thought that too, but look, he just tried a deflection instead by posting something completely senseless and odd.

I'll find more! Oh yes... More TRUTH! Yes Truth! Let it set you free as it has for ME!

Dude... I am going against my own rules here but... You are a fucking idiot (feel free to move this one single post to the FFA section)

Please continue with that thought oh great and wise one... Please sip your Kool-Aid in your easy chair..

Is there really any doubt why he posted it. he knew it was false, but his ilk have made a killing using misinformation and spin (see Carl Rove and the worst, most corrupt, administration in US history). Of course he knew it was false, as did the bottom feeder that produced it, but the more it circulates the more 70% slob public will believe...most Americans have no clue what snopes is. Perception is king in American politics, facts only get in the way of unbridled corruption.

Dude... I am going against my own rules here but... You are a fucking idiot (feel free to move this one single post to the FFA section)

Meh. This thread has been garbage since day one anyway.

Meh. This thread has been garbage since day one anyway.

Not really, as there has been some thoughtful stuff shared.

But, regarding the list of stuff posted by Osg, I got a kick out of it for the same reason most likely that Osg did; it was like trolling a Dare Devil lure in front of a school of hungry pikes, because, let's face it, there are a number of folks that have gone off the deep end in their devotion to the annointed one, Barak Obama. The reactions are so predictable.

Of course, with the level of hatred so high against the Bush folks for all the crap he has dumped on the country, it is a given that that animosity can be easily transferred to anyone who nay-says a candidate who campaigns on a one-note platform of CHANGE!

Take it easy folks, there are still three and a half months to go, and expending so much energy so early could leave you drained during that last week or two of trench fighting. :eek:

You can't really blame them.

Just think how you'd have reacted back when you liked McCain so much, if someone had posted a link to something that claimed he was secretly turned a commie while a POW and was going to become the antichrist.

That's almost more plausible than most of the crazy stuff people circulate about Obama.

You can't really blame them.

Just think how you'd have reacted back when you liked McCain so much, if someone had posted a link to something that claimed he was secretly turned a commie while a POW and was going to become the antichrist.

That's almost more plausible than most of the crazy stuff people circulate about Obama.


While I enjoy a good argument over the credibility of many of these charges the candidates are always getting hit with, I am way too much of a cynic regarding people to ever become so strong a supporter of someone that I am willing to accept blinders and follow unquestioningly. It is perhaps one of my greatest failings, that I lack trust in people. But, it also keeps me from following a Pied Piper, or taking the offered cup of Kool-Aid.

And, it also allows me to be flexible in how I look at my choices and to move from one camp to another to find the right fit. McCain has become a poor fit for me, much as I liked him at one time. Obama is showing himself to be too much of a business as usual Washington politician, now that he figures the nomination is locked up, and that has been turning me off. Paul has my attention because he is the only true maverick in the race.

Being an Independent means I don't have to get bellicose and shout and curse at people for suggesting McCain is a sleeper agent of the communists. :)

I know you wouldn't now. You've cooled off on McCain a lot (for good reason).

Look at some of your posts about him a year or two ago though, and you should be able to sympathize with the Obama supporters.

http://www.luoamerican.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/21/obamaracecard.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/Inkjunkie42/obamavator.jpg

http://www.luoamerican.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/21/obamaracecard.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/Inkjunkie42/obamavator.jpg

http://lighthousepatriotjournal.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/new-mccain-10x10-1.jpg?w=244&h=243

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/X/e/1/mccain_bush_brokeback.jpg

PIMPIN

http://politicalkudzu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/mccain.jpg

http://blog.columbusalive.com/VoteYourself/john-mccain.jpg

McCain is an idiot.. You'd offend me more if you found funny pictures of Ron Paul...

http://www.luoamerican.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/21/obamaracecard.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/Inkjunkie42/obamavator.jpg


Look...the retarded kid is poking us.

Don't make me go get a stick....

That's an actual Racecard? I've never seen one and honestly I thought it was just a figure of speech, that is pretty cool, where did you get that one from? Is it like a drivers license, do you get them at the DMV? I also never realized you were black, but hey I usually miss things like that on message boards.

Does that look like me in the picture.. Dumbass much?

Does that look like me in the picture.. Dumbass much?

That's what you look like? You don't look so much like a dumbass as you look alot like Obama so much so you could be his double. I never figured that would be. At the risk of sounding a bit racist how come, with you being black, your not more supportive of him becoming president?

That's what you look like? You don't look so much like a dumbass as you look alot like Obama so much so you could be his double. I never figured that would be. At the risk of sounding a bit racist how come, with you being black, your not more supportive of him becoming president?

That makes no sense at all. But then again I would not expect much from a typical refuses to hear truth died in the wool yellow liberal. Please try again because you are the fail. Poor poor Rover. So eager for "change" he can't see the forest for the trees. Don't worry Che Obama will bring you your change.

http://www.850koa.com/cc-common/mlib/668/07/668_1215141728.jpg

That makes no sense at all.

Pot, meet kettle.